So....where does it leave us real gamers??

luclinraider

It seem all of our favorite IP's are currently leaving Cons and PC behind them and moving to mobile.....

First it was Command and Conq.....then it was Everquest........now Diablo......

In another 10-20 years....will they even be making high end games for PC or Cons anymore or are all Triple A titles going to now be on mobile and those of us still on real gaming platform are going to be the new Microsoft/Sony shop and/or Steam where the $1,000 budget games go for 99 cents each?

It really sucks because, to me at least, mobile is only good for the fun quirky little geo location games (Pokemon Go), but other than that they aren't meant for gaming.

Maybe I'm just getting old.....(Coming up on 30)....guess I better get with the times....or hope Star Citizen comes through and blows everything else out of the water in the next 2-4 years and curves the big budget enthusiasm back towards PC.....but as of right now it seems all the real money is being put towards mobile with a few exceptions (RDR2).

Vrika

PC and console gaming isn't really getting any smaller, on the contrary we're getting more and more expensive games made.

If mobile gaming is growing even more that's not really away from PC or console gaming.

As for the IPs going to mobile games, of course popular IPs are going everywhere. We'll get books, games, movies, console games, mobile games, toys, etc. IPs have never been limited to one platform and PC game IPs are not some kind of sacred exception.

BeansnBread

PC gaming is bigger than it's ever been in the history of the universe. And it's growing.

cheyane

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

Scorchien

luclinraider said:

It seem all of our favorite IP's are currently leaving Cons and PC behind them and moving to mobile.....

First it was Command and Conq.....then it was Everquest........now Diablo......

In another 10-20 years....will they even be making high end games for PC or Cons anymore or are all Triple A titles going to now be on mobile and those of us still on real gaming platform are going to be the new Microsoft/Sony shop and/or Steam where the $1,000 budget games go for 99 cents each?

It really sucks because, to me at least, mobile is only good for the fun quirky little geo location games (Pokemon Go), but other than that they aren't meant for gaming.

Maybe I'm just getting old.....(Coming up on 30)....guess I better get with the times....or hope Star Citizen comes through and blows everything else out of the water in the next 2-4 years and curves the big budget enthusiasm back towards PC.....but as of right now it seems all the real money is being put towards mobile with a few exceptions (RDR2).

lol i got hemmroids that are 30 .. your not getting old ..You dont know shit till your 30

Hyperpsycrow

Ur right..im 39 and its horrible..all games willbe on mobile in 2020 and we will sit here wih 20xx rtx cards and Intel 10 cpu good for nothing..it will end with us sitting her and brag about what pc specs we have like cars..and bta SC wont be a thing ever..have you seen how poorly the game engine is..its stuck on 2008 engine..so sorry to say but dont count on SC

Lokero

If you have a popular game IP, making a mobile spin-off is just easy money.  Most lesser IPs make barely any profit on mobile.  It's simple math.  If you have the name, then it's sensible to tap into both markets.

I, for one, never ever play mobile games, and I never will, most likely.  When I'm not at home, I can survive without a device in my face or a game in my hand.

You know, unlike you almost-30 old-timers

30 was the year I got RSI in my arms, though, from too many years/hours of computing.  Man, that was a boring six months.

You are suffering from Chicken Little syndrome.  All the real money is still going straight into the real gaming systems.  Mobile market is nothing but a cash-grab if you have a good rep.  It's like playing the lottery if you are unknown.

ConstantineMerus

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

BeansnBread

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

ConstantineMerus

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

Your reality is just as big as my "little" reality. So look away from the water Narcissus, we're all riding the same boat. 

If you use the term 'gamer' as a verb - as in someone who plays a game - then we can call Chess players, Poker players, hide-and-seek enthusiasts, etc. gamers too. 

But in the past 40 years the term 'gamer' usually came along with a culture and when you introduce culture and many other characteristics then you'd realize you are dealing with very different groups of people when it comes down to mobile gaming and PC/Console gaming. Although they do share some overlaps with each other, but the groups are different enough to be labeled differently as well. In everyone's reality, they have different cultures attached to them.

My personal feelings are irrelevant. It's an observation and of course my opinion. 

MaxBacon

It's all on profitable platforms, PC seems clear to be the platform with the most entitled and hard-to-please audience, hardware catches up on mobile, and consoles are still their own huge market, so it all depends on how the competition on PC is (say how exhausted genres like online survival or battle royale is on PC), the prospects of revenue and success, etc...

But this shouldn't be a concern to PC players specifically, because the standard for big IPs is more about cross-platform and not completely dropping the PC platform, excluding the mobile platform as ports are an entirely different beast there.

Albatroes

Runescape mobile as well.

I think people talking about the market 'growing' dont really understand what that means. There's a lot of >>> stuff <<< but it doesn't mean its good (just look at steam). That also doesn't mean that just because there is a lot of >>> stuff <<< that the >>> stuff <<< will automatically lead to diversity (wow clone era > moba era > br era now I guess all coupled with mobile variants). The only thing that's happening is companies, big and small, are trying to bleed the hottest thing while they can while also looking for something else on the side. Doing things for the love of the art has long gone.

BeansnBread

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

Your reality is just as big as my "little" reality. So look away from the water Narcissus, we're all riding the same boat. 

If you use the term 'gamer' as a verb - as in someone who plays a game - then we can call Chess players, Poker players, hide-and-seek enthusiasts, etc. gamers too. 

But in the past 40 years the term 'gamer' usually came along with a culture and when you introduce culture and many other characteristics then you'd realize you are dealing with very different groups of people when it comes down to mobile gaming and PC/Console gaming. Although they do share some overlaps with each other, but the groups are different enough to be labeled differently as well. In everyone's reality, they have different cultures attached to them.

My personal feelings are irrelevant. It's an observation and of course my opinion. 

No, they are not labeled differently. You are labeling them differently. Not only that, you aren't even labeling mobile gamers at all. You were simply stating that you don't consider mobile gamers, gamers at all. In fact, you stated it like this:

"it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' "

That's one of the silliest things I've read on this board.

And your little argument about culture is equally ridiculous. Gamers that game on mobile devices are part of gamer culture just as much as people that play on PCs or consoles or whatever. And I agree that your personal feelings are irrelevant.

ConstantineMerus

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

Your reality is just as big as my "little" reality. So look away from the water Narcissus, we're all riding the same boat. 

If you use the term 'gamer' as a verb - as in someone who plays a game - then we can call Chess players, Poker players, hide-and-seek enthusiasts, etc. gamers too. 

But in the past 40 years the term 'gamer' usually came along with a culture and when you introduce culture and many other characteristics then you'd realize you are dealing with very different groups of people when it comes down to mobile gaming and PC/Console gaming. Although they do share some overlaps with each other, but the groups are different enough to be labeled differently as well. In everyone's reality, they have different cultures attached to them.

My personal feelings are irrelevant. It's an observation and of course my opinion. 

No, they are not labeled differently. You are labeling them differently. Not only that, you aren't even labeling mobile gamers at all. You were simply stating that you don't consider mobile gamers, gamers at all. In fact, you stated it like this:

"it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' "

That's one of the silliest things I've read on this board.

And your little argument about culture is equally ridiculous. Gamers that game on mobile devices are part of gamer culture just as much as people that play on PCs or consoles or whatever. And I agree that your personal feelings are irrelevant.

Well mate just calling anything I say ridiculous doesn't magically make you right. I say they have different cultures. Here's some key factors - again, in my opinion:

1. PC/Console gamers make much higher amount of investment on their device for sole purpose of gaming. 
2. There are courses and schools that teach gaming - PC/Console platforms only.
3. PC/Console gaming can influence one's living environment and people who are more into gaming design and create a specific place to game.
4. PC/Console gaming has eSports for 3 decades now which by itself has turned into multi million industry. 
5. PC/Console gaming has more influence on pushing the tech forward.
6. Live Streaming is just about PC/Console gaming.
7. PC/Console gamers are vastly more aware about the industry and the companies.
8. PC/Console gamers got more numbers and are more active in the third-party websites - specially when it comes down to journalism and criticism. 
9. Gaming events are (mostly) for PC/Console players. 
10. PC/Console gamers invest in Collector's Editions, statues, Cosplay, merchandise, etc. vastly more.
11. Gaming gear industry revolves around PC/Console gaming. 

I can write more but ironically I'm on mobile so have to leave that for later. 

These differences result in difference of mindset, behavior and culture. 

I'd like to learn how they share the exact same culture besides 'they are playing a game' argument. 

FlyByKnight

Somebody explain to me what a "real gamer" is... I'm always confused what folks mean when they say it.

BeansnBread

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

Your reality is just as big as my "little" reality. So look away from the water Narcissus, we're all riding the same boat. 

If you use the term 'gamer' as a verb - as in someone who plays a game - then we can call Chess players, Poker players, hide-and-seek enthusiasts, etc. gamers too. 

But in the past 40 years the term 'gamer' usually came along with a culture and when you introduce culture and many other characteristics then you'd realize you are dealing with very different groups of people when it comes down to mobile gaming and PC/Console gaming. Although they do share some overlaps with each other, but the groups are different enough to be labeled differently as well. In everyone's reality, they have different cultures attached to them.

My personal feelings are irrelevant. It's an observation and of course my opinion. 

No, they are not labeled differently. You are labeling them differently. Not only that, you aren't even labeling mobile gamers at all. You were simply stating that you don't consider mobile gamers, gamers at all. In fact, you stated it like this:

"it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' "

That's one of the silliest things I've read on this board.

And your little argument about culture is equally ridiculous. Gamers that game on mobile devices are part of gamer culture just as much as people that play on PCs or consoles or whatever. And I agree that your personal feelings are irrelevant.

Well mate just calling anything I say ridiculous doesn't magically make you right. I say they have different cultures. Here's some key factors - again, in my opinion:

1. PC/Console gamers make much higher amount of investment on their device for sole purpose of gaming. 
2. There are courses and schools that teach gaming - PC/Console platforms only.
3. PC/Console gaming can influence one's living environment and people who are more into gaming design and create a specific place to game.
4. PC/Console gaming has eSports for 3 decades now which by itself has turned into multi million industry. 
5. PC/Console gaming has more influence on pushing the tech forward.
6. Live Streaming is just about PC/Console gaming.
7. PC/Console gamers are vastly more aware about the industry and the companies.
8. PC/Console gamers got more numbers and are more active in the third-party websites - specially when it comes down to journalism and criticism. 
9. Gaming events are (mostly) for PC/Console players. 
10. PC/Console gamers invest in Collector's Editions, statues, Cosplay, merchandise, etc. vastly more.
11. Gaming gear industry revolves around PC/Console gaming. 

I can write more but ironically I'm on mobile so have to leave that for later. 

These differences result in difference of mindset, behavior and culture. 

I'd like to learn how they share the exact same culture besides 'they are playing a game' argument. 

None of that precludes some dude playing Hearthstone on his phone being called a "gamer." The part that you are being stupid about is the label. 

it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer'

You can bloviate about your perceived differences between 2 different types of gamers, but in the end, even using your own standard, they are two different types of gamers. Both being gamers, of course.

ConstantineMerus

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

Your reality is just as big as my "little" reality. So look away from the water Narcissus, we're all riding the same boat. 

If you use the term 'gamer' as a verb - as in someone who plays a game - then we can call Chess players, Poker players, hide-and-seek enthusiasts, etc. gamers too. 

But in the past 40 years the term 'gamer' usually came along with a culture and when you introduce culture and many other characteristics then you'd realize you are dealing with very different groups of people when it comes down to mobile gaming and PC/Console gaming. Although they do share some overlaps with each other, but the groups are different enough to be labeled differently as well. In everyone's reality, they have different cultures attached to them.

My personal feelings are irrelevant. It's an observation and of course my opinion. 

No, they are not labeled differently. You are labeling them differently. Not only that, you aren't even labeling mobile gamers at all. You were simply stating that you don't consider mobile gamers, gamers at all. In fact, you stated it like this:

"it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' "

That's one of the silliest things I've read on this board.

And your little argument about culture is equally ridiculous. Gamers that game on mobile devices are part of gamer culture just as much as people that play on PCs or consoles or whatever. And I agree that your personal feelings are irrelevant.

Well mate just calling anything I say ridiculous doesn't magically make you right. I say they have different cultures. Here's some key factors - again, in my opinion:

1. PC/Console gamers make much higher amount of investment on their device for sole purpose of gaming. 
2. There are courses and schools that teach gaming - PC/Console platforms only.
3. PC/Console gaming can influence one's living environment and people who are more into gaming design and create a specific place to game.
4. PC/Console gaming has eSports for 3 decades now which by itself has turned into multi million industry. 
5. PC/Console gaming has more influence on pushing the tech forward.
6. Live Streaming is just about PC/Console gaming.
7. PC/Console gamers are vastly more aware about the industry and the companies.
8. PC/Console gamers got more numbers and are more active in the third-party websites - specially when it comes down to journalism and criticism. 
9. Gaming events are (mostly) for PC/Console players. 
10. PC/Console gamers invest in Collector's Editions, statues, Cosplay, merchandise, etc. vastly more.
11. Gaming gear industry revolves around PC/Console gaming. 

I can write more but ironically I'm on mobile so have to leave that for later. 

These differences result in difference of mindset, behavior and culture. 

I'd like to learn how they share the exact same culture besides 'they are playing a game' argument. 

None of that precludes some dude playing Hearthstone on his phone being called a "gamer." The part that you are being stupid about is the label. 

it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer'

You can bloviate about your perceived differences between 2 different types of gamers, but in the end, even using your own standard, they are two different types of gamers. Both being gamers, of course.

We're not talking about some dude, we're talking about major differences between two groups of people. The only thing you have mentioned so far that connects them is 'playing a game' which by definition would apply to so many other activities hence we should call them all also gamers. 

The differences that I have perceived are correct - if you believe otherwise do tell why - and result in very different cultures. The cultures ain't the same, not by far. So I won't assign these two groups the same label. Again, you haven't mentioned anything about how they are the same. 

I am not gonna turn this into an annoying duette. If you ain't gonna add a new argument to the discussion then you won't get a reply from me. In the end, we ain't here to convince each other but to share our opinions with everyone. 

Octagon7711

Mobile games aren't that bad.  I've played a few just to see what they were like and for the most part they were fun.  My situation has me in front of computers most of the day with no public transportation time to fire up a mobile game.  So they pretty much don't interest me.  Why play on such a small screen when I'm in front of my PC all the time?  

If I commuted a lot I would probably take them more seriously.

Wizardry

Mobile is more than addiction,it is an epidemic,people are absolutely ..insanely addicted to their cell phones.
Cell phone games are really cheap to make and they will sell because all these cell phone junkies want some reason to use their over priced pile of resistors with that amazing 3 inch screens lmao.
So if you were looking for easy money,why not cater to the easy targets,low risk,low budget designs?
I still remember Square stating that FFXI reboot with better graphics was way too much work to do it.Fast forward they not only are doing it ,but took on a partner in Nexxon to share the profits.That alone says how much money mobiel is making to turn a developer from no way to most certainly AND to spend more years developing it than most of these high rated mmorpg's took to develop.

I find it sad,all the hard work putting into making our games better and better and now we are going backwards in time to worse and worse.

Aethaeryn

All you old folks like me (44) should be happy you got to live through the birth and best times of gaming (as we know it).  It is like having an awesome meal but desert was kind of crappy.  Still. . awesome meal!

I go though the same thing with mobile. . play up to the wall. . sometimes spend on some special pretend 80% discounted thing. . then hit same wall.   Now I just play to the wall and move on.  I agree with @Wizardry about the addiction piece.

If I turn off notifications for almost any mobile game I stop playing.  it is an interesting experiment.

BeansnBread

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

cheyane said:

What does 'real' gamers mean ? I cannot play action games and prefer games like Everquest and slower combat and also turn based games. So many games that are presently on the PC are impossible for me to even try to play let alone finish. I feel the industry may be leaving me behind. Am I a 'real' gamer?

I am not a fan of the term 'real gamer' but it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' so in my world we have gamers - and we have people who are bored on the tube. 

Oh god. You can define gamer however you want in your own little reality, but people that game on mobile devices are gamers just like gamers on every other platform. A gamer is someone that plays games. There isn't some special distinction for yourself because you like PC gaming and not mobile gaming. And being a "gamer" isn't some kind of accolade.

Your reality is just as big as my "little" reality. So look away from the water Narcissus, we're all riding the same boat. 

If you use the term 'gamer' as a verb - as in someone who plays a game - then we can call Chess players, Poker players, hide-and-seek enthusiasts, etc. gamers too. 

But in the past 40 years the term 'gamer' usually came along with a culture and when you introduce culture and many other characteristics then you'd realize you are dealing with very different groups of people when it comes down to mobile gaming and PC/Console gaming. Although they do share some overlaps with each other, but the groups are different enough to be labeled differently as well. In everyone's reality, they have different cultures attached to them.

My personal feelings are irrelevant. It's an observation and of course my opinion. 

No, they are not labeled differently. You are labeling them differently. Not only that, you aren't even labeling mobile gamers at all. You were simply stating that you don't consider mobile gamers, gamers at all. In fact, you stated it like this:

"it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer' "

That's one of the silliest things I've read on this board.

And your little argument about culture is equally ridiculous. Gamers that game on mobile devices are part of gamer culture just as much as people that play on PCs or consoles or whatever. And I agree that your personal feelings are irrelevant.

Well mate just calling anything I say ridiculous doesn't magically make you right. I say they have different cultures. Here's some key factors - again, in my opinion:

1. PC/Console gamers make much higher amount of investment on their device for sole purpose of gaming. 
2. There are courses and schools that teach gaming - PC/Console platforms only.
3. PC/Console gaming can influence one's living environment and people who are more into gaming design and create a specific place to game.
4. PC/Console gaming has eSports for 3 decades now which by itself has turned into multi million industry. 
5. PC/Console gaming has more influence on pushing the tech forward.
6. Live Streaming is just about PC/Console gaming.
7. PC/Console gamers are vastly more aware about the industry and the companies.
8. PC/Console gamers got more numbers and are more active in the third-party websites - specially when it comes down to journalism and criticism. 
9. Gaming events are (mostly) for PC/Console players. 
10. PC/Console gamers invest in Collector's Editions, statues, Cosplay, merchandise, etc. vastly more.
11. Gaming gear industry revolves around PC/Console gaming. 

I can write more but ironically I'm on mobile so have to leave that for later. 

These differences result in difference of mindset, behavior and culture. 

I'd like to learn how they share the exact same culture besides 'they are playing a game' argument. 

None of that precludes some dude playing Hearthstone on his phone being called a "gamer." The part that you are being stupid about is the label. 

it's ridiculous to call someone who plays games on their mobile a 'gamer'

You can bloviate about your perceived differences between 2 different types of gamers, but in the end, even using your own standard, they are two different types of gamers. Both being gamers, of course.

We're not talking about some dude, we're talking about major differences between two groups of people. The only thing you have mentioned so far that connects them is 'playing a game' which by definition would apply to so many other activities hence we should call them all also gamers. 

The differences that I have perceived are correct - if you believe otherwise do tell why - and result in very different cultures. The cultures ain't the same, not by far. So I won't assign these two groups the same label. Again, you haven't mentioned anything about how they are the same. 

I am not gonna turn this into an annoying duette. If you ain't gonna add a new argument to the discussion then you won't get a reply from me. In the end, we ain't here to convince each other but to share our opinions with everyone. 

It's not two groups of people, gamers (PC/Console only) and non-gamers (mobile platform only). This is on its face a stupid idea that should be recognized as stupid. That you are trying to stand by it so strongly is just strange.

Gamers are a venn diagram with a minimum of 3 circles. And the circles get more and more mingled over time. There are extremely complex and interesting games on mobile just like there are candy crush games on mobile. It is exactly the same way for PC and console. People get committed to both. Games are, at their core, very addicting and different gamers choose different platforms based on their needs.

And I'm not just saying "both groups" are playing games. They're both playing "video" games. That this wasn't self evident to you and you actually used it as an argument to try and stretch what I was saying into something I wasn't just shows that you aren't an honest broker in the discussion.

frostymug

Where does it leave us real gamers?

It leaves us defining what real gamers are and what the first M in MMO really means. Naturally.

TheDarkrayne

In 20 years phones will be PCs... we won't even need a big ugly box.

Zhenox

As long as there will be idiots defending and buying half-assed products from companies who are taking shortcuts to make a quick buck nothing is gonna change. 

Shit companies are not the only problem, it's people who have liquid shit instead of brains that are not willing close their wallets to send a message. 

You shouldn't be surprised that people who stare at their phone 24/7 are being stalked by these greedy AAA companies, they understand that it's gold vein. 

ConstantineMerus

BeansnBread said:

ConstantineMerus said:

We're not talking about some dude, we're talking about major differences between two groups of people. The only thing you have mentioned so far that connects them is 'playing a game' which by definition would apply to so many other activities hence we should call them all also gamers. 

The differences that I have perceived are correct - if you believe otherwise do tell why - and result in very different cultures. The cultures ain't the same, not by far. So I won't assign these two groups the same label. Again, you haven't mentioned anything about how they are the same. 

I am not gonna turn this into an annoying duette. If you ain't gonna add a new argument to the discussion then you won't get a reply from me. In the end, we ain't here to convince each other but to share our opinions with everyone. 

It's not two groups of people, gamers (PC/Console only) and non-gamers (mobile platform only). This is on its face a stupid idea that should be recognized as stupid. That you are trying to stand by it so strongly is just strange.

Gamers are a venn diagram with a minimum of 3 circles. And the circles get more and more mingled over time. There are extremely complex and interesting games on mobile just like there are candy crush games on mobile. It is exactly the same way for PC and console. People get committed to both. Games are, at their core, very addicting and different gamers choose different platforms based on their needs.

And I'm not just saying "both groups" are playing games. They're both playing "video" games. That this wasn't self evident to you and you actually used it as an argument to try and stretch what I was saying into something I wasn't just shows that you aren't an honest broker in the discussion.

Alright let's focus on what you have actually brought to the discussion: 

"There are extremely complex and interesting games on mobile just like there are candy crush games on mobile. It is exactly the same way for PC and console"

I never debated the complexity or the interesting aspects of the mobile games. This would apply to all types of games, not a similarity between mobile and PC/Console games - all games. 


"People get commited to both. Games are, at their core, very addicting."

This again would apply to all types of games. 


"They're both playing "video" games." 

Okay, I give you that. So besides both groups playing 'video games', you have added nothing whilst I have listed several major differences which would result in major difference of culture. I never said mobile games are not 'video games'. The argument is about the term 'Gamer' and the culture that is attached to it. 

I've been working on Urban Gamification for some time now. We have added some devices around the world, you might've seen one. Like how you can play Tetris with someone on the other side of the street while waiting for the light to go green. It is a video game. If you do that every day, it still wouldn't make you a gamer and you'd share nothing with what I defined as gamers' culture. 

People are allowed to think for themselves and express their thoughts. It wouldn't make them strange nor dishonest. 

Noxias

So someone who plays fortnite on the pc is a "real gamer" but when you play the same game on mobile you are no longer a "real gamer" interesting. Oldschool runescape was just released on mobile and i'm loving it even though it has extremely outdated graphics to today's standards it's still enjoyable on the phone just mucking about but then again i'm not a "real gamer".