Been playing the Division 2 Beta all weekend. THAT is a looter shooter done right!
I do like Anthem. But Div 2 blows it out of the water. The only thing Anthem has over Div 2 is no content gated behind paywalls, if I understand correctly (I see no Season Pass for Anthem).
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Been playing the Division 2 Beta all weekend. THAT is a looter shooter done right!
I do like Anthem. But Div 2 blows it out of the water. The only thing Anthem has over Div 2 is no content gated behind paywalls, if I understand correctly (I see no Season Pass for Anthem).
I wouldn't say the only thing. Anthem has better combat and better visual customization - two important parts of a looter.
I see a lot of that going around. My question to you would be: Is what they delivered what they promised? If so, then yeah the issue is on the reviewers for having unreasonable expectations. If the reviewers are basing their opinions on what was actually promised, then the issue is with the developers/publisher.
You do not review an apple based on the expectations of eating an orange. That goes both ways. Don't sell an orange and deliver an apple.
That's part the issue there, the game did not live up to the expectations many were originally sold on. The game world and ai behavior simplified, the story chunked up and incomplete, the loot itself both finite and missing in prior displayed variety, an entirely linear story, and countless inconsistent bugs.
The game is just another of many that have been releasing in a questionable state.
There are people that enjoyed No Mans Sky at launch too, but an incomplete and broken user experience is still that even if some people are fine with it.
One of the most repetitive games I've ever played, where you watch loadscreens more than you actually play. Not worth a single dollar, imo, since you can get completely free games that are far better.
Nothing about your post is accurate. It's obvious you don't play the game so why do you hate on it?
Been playing the Division 2 Beta all weekend. THAT is a looter shooter done right!
I do like Anthem. But Div 2 blows it out of the water. The only thing Anthem has over Div 2 is no content gated behind paywalls, if I understand correctly (I see no Season Pass for Anthem).
Not having to ration ammunition. Picking up loot in random areas that's actually good. Being able to switch weapons even during combat and other things I've taken for granted in the past but not anymore.
I also like Anthem and look forward to it being finished one day.
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Been playing the Division 2 Beta all weekend. THAT is a looter shooter done right!
I do like Anthem. But Div 2 blows it out of the water. The only thing Anthem has over Div 2 is no content gated behind paywalls, if I understand correctly (I see no Season Pass for Anthem).
I'm sorry the comparison doesn't work. I too played some Div2 this weekend. It is boring as hell! Moving from one spot of cover to another? The combat in Anthem is nothing at all like that. Oh and you fly to get to where you find more mobs to kill not "sneak". And what about the geography differences? Crawling around in a city vs the vast expanses that Anthem has to offer? Those differences make them completely different games to me and one of them I am not attracted to in any way.
Div 2 may have the loot part right but the shoot part sucks imho and that is way more important to me. Uninstalled the beta btw and I will not be buying it.
Been playing the Division 2 Beta all weekend. THAT is a looter shooter done right!
I do like Anthem. But Div 2 blows it out of the water. The only thing Anthem has over Div 2 is no content gated behind paywalls, if I understand correctly (I see no Season Pass for Anthem).
For the first year content will be free. The season pass that comes with the collectors edition just gets you 7 days early access to the content. Don't know if they will start charging for DLC after the first year though.
The flip side to that is that Season Pass purchases for Ubisoft games, especially For Honor and Rainbow Six are a huge ripoff because you can just earn that content.
One of the most repetitive games I've ever played, where you watch loadscreens more than you actually play. Not worth a single dollar, imo, since you can get completely free games that are far better.
Nothing about your post is accurate. It's obvious you don't play the game so why do you hate on it?
Hating on it? lol
Listen, the loading screens in this game have become a meme. They are even joking that EA will sell customized loading screens in the cash shop.
In fact, people are posting time stamped videos of loading screens taking longer than actually completing a mission. Even AngryJoe did this in his video.
One of the most repetitive games I've ever played, where you watch loadscreens more than you actually play. Not worth a single dollar, imo, since you can get completely free games that are far better.
Nothing about your post is accurate. It's obvious you don't play the game so why do you hate on it?
Hating on it? lol
Listen, the loading screens in this game have become a meme. They are even joking that EA will sell customized loading screens in the cash shop.
In fact, people are posting time stamped videos of loading screens taking longer than actually completing a mission. Even AngryJoe did this in his video.
As someone who played the game I agree with this message. The loading screens are joke and you see them often.
The loading screens are now nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. They improved that. I have a lot of hours in the game so I have a frame of reference but then.....it wouldn't fit the narrative to say that would it?
The only one that takes a while for me is the first one going into a mission. The rest are a matter of a few seconds. Even the tethering has been adjusted a lot, I very rarely get that prompt anymore.
And how is "the game is not worth a single dollar" not hating on it? Please enlighten me. Oh and fuck Angry Joe. We all know you get more clicks with a negative review. You think he's doing this for his health?
The loading screens are now nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. They improved that. I have a lot of hours in the game so I have a frame of reference but then.....it wouldn't fit the narrative to say that would it?
The only one that takes a while for me is the first one going into a mission. The rest are a matter of a few seconds. Even the tethering has been adjusted a lot, I very rarely get that prompt anymore.
And how is "the game is not worth a single dollar" not hating on it? Please enlighten me. Oh and fuck Angry Joe. We all know you get more clicks with a negative review. You think he's doing this for his health?
He did explain why it wasn't worth a dollar.
Of course things will get better. That's the point of MVP Games as a Service.
They developed a complete game. They stripped it down to a MVP. And will slowly release the already developed content over time, but charging full price for the full game up front.
Are you saying @Netspook shared his experience here for clicks as well? Or he's not allowed to have an opinion because he's not a Youtuber? I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset.
The loading screens are now nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. They improved that. I have a lot of hours in the game so I have a frame of reference but then.....it wouldn't fit the narrative to say that would it?
The only one that takes a while for me is the first one going into a mission. The rest are a matter of a few seconds. Even the tethering has been adjusted a lot, I very rarely get that prompt anymore.
And how is "the game is not worth a single dollar" not hating on it? Please enlighten me. Oh and fuck Angry Joe. We all know you get more clicks with a negative review. You think he's doing this for his health?
He did explain why it wasn't worth a dollar.
Of course things will get better. That's the point of MVP Games as a Service.
They developed a complete game. They stripped it down to a MVP. And will slowly release the already developed content over time, but charging full price for the full game up front.
Are you saying @Netspook shared his experience here for clicks as well? Or he's not allowed to have an opinion because he's not a Youtuber? I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset.
I just get tired of the damn exaggerations: "Oh I spend more time loading than I do playing etc." People simply repeat this when they want to put the game down cause they heard someone else say it. and his "explanation" is nothing but an exaggeration as well. Would not "I don't like the loading screens" and "at this point I don't feel the game is worth what they're asking for it" not suffice? but oh no go to the wall with "not worth a single dollar".
Not to mention you don't have to pay full price to try it out at all. A month of premium is $15 which also gives you access to 180 or so other games.
The loading screens are now nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. They improved that. I have a lot of hours in the game so I have a frame of reference but then.....it wouldn't fit the narrative to say that would it?
The only one that takes a while for me is the first one going into a mission. The rest are a matter of a few seconds. Even the tethering has been adjusted a lot, I very rarely get that prompt anymore.
And how is "the game is not worth a single dollar" not hating on it? Please enlighten me. Oh and fuck Angry Joe. We all know you get more clicks with a negative review. You think he's doing this for his health?
He did explain why it wasn't worth a dollar.
Of course things will get better. That's the point of MVP Games as a Service.
They developed a complete game. They stripped it down to a MVP. And will slowly release the already developed content over time, but charging full price for the full game up front.
Are you saying @Netspook shared his experience here for clicks as well? Or he's not allowed to have an opinion because he's not a Youtuber? I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset.
I'm also wondering why he's so upset. And btw, I did play the game, I played both the VIP demo and quite a few hours last weekend, but haven't touched it since last Sunday so I don't know if it has improved since then, or not.
The comment about spending more time watching loadscreens than playing, was of course an exaggeration, but that sure as hell is how it felt. Heck, I couldn't even use the forge without getting one!
And it IS repetitive. Apart from watching cutscenes and conversations, you mostly do the same over and over and over again. Go there, kill some mobs, go further, kill more, etc. Every mission feels the same, even though they try to make it seem more varied, having you finding stuff, ie the runes. Doesn't matter - again: it's all the same.
It's quite funny to see this fanboy-rage especially considering this game, since it gets crappy reviews EVERYWHERE. For example, the metacritics scores clearly indicates that more people aggrees with me than with him.
The loading screens are now nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. They improved that. I have a lot of hours in the game so I have a frame of reference but then.....it wouldn't fit the narrative to say that would it?
The only one that takes a while for me is the first one going into a mission. The rest are a matter of a few seconds. Even the tethering has been adjusted a lot, I very rarely get that prompt anymore.
And how is "the game is not worth a single dollar" not hating on it? Please enlighten me. Oh and fuck Angry Joe. We all know you get more clicks with a negative review. You think he's doing this for his health?
He did explain why it wasn't worth a dollar.
Of course things will get better. That's the point of MVP Games as a Service.
They developed a complete game. They stripped it down to a MVP. And will slowly release the already developed content over time, but charging full price for the full game up front.
Are you saying @Netspook shared his experience here for clicks as well? Or he's not allowed to have an opinion because he's not a Youtuber? I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset.
I just get tired of the damn exaggerations: "Oh I spend more time loading than I do playing etc." People simply repeat this when they want to put the game down cause they heard someone else say it. and his "explanation" is nothing but an exaggeration as well. Would not "I don't like the loading screens" and "at this point I don't feel the game is worth what they're asking for it" not suffice? but oh no go to the wall with "not worth a single dollar".
Not to mention you don't have to pay full price to try it out at all. A month of premium is $15 which also gives you access to 180 or so other games.
I beat the story last night and put the game up. I played for about 40 hours altogether according to my Xbox stats and I can say that loading screens are not a exaggeration. They are easily about 30-45 seconds still to this day if not sometimes longer and there are a lot of them. Just to switch gear it takes 30 seconds to load into the forge. Which you have to do every mission since you can't equip gear in a separate menu, even when your in the fort.
Well I can't speak for the XBox as I play it on PC. I have the game on my SSD and the load screens don't even come close to that long for me. 5 sec max to get into and out of the forge for example.
and to the following poster: I never said for a moment the game doesn't have faults and as far as repetitive goes, I play this kind of game all the time. They are all repetitive but certainly it will get better over time. Fact is I'm used to grinding. I mean what the hell do you do in D3? You have one activity: Rifts. Is there anything more repetitive than that?
Playing on PS4 (not pro). Average load times are usually 30 seconds or less. Forge loading times and instance loading times average 5-10 seconds (maybe 10-15 for instances). Still more than I'd like, but nowhere near "more time loading than playing."
And as far as the endless loading bug, that may be a PC thing, as I haven't encountered it on PS4 post launch.
PC here and can't say I've seen any 5 second load screens. And seems that according to the bug megathreads , the endless load screens are also back.
I don't see any of those, never have and you should put the game on your ssd if you have one. I have no reason to lie about my load times and most the time I often don't even wait 10 seconds to get into a mission anymore. Would I like it if there were none? Of course but it is nothing like it was 2 weeks ago.
EDIT: OK playing through the story again this time solo. Just loaded into a contract and I timed it. It took 18 seconds. That will be the longest I will wait until this mission is done.
Seems someone reported infinite load bug for PS4 as of yesterday, so not just a PC issue.
Problem here is that people are experiencing these issues. Arguing from your perspective that "Well Ihaven't." doesn't suddenly make it so these issues don't exist. This is the problem with anecdotal argument, and the reason for those megathreads. They culminate and show the spectrum of issues for many users.
Just because you personally claim you have not experienced any such issue is not proof it's not an issue, especially for the users that are actively experiencing it.
And cmacq, please don't give personal suggestions to technical issue you don't know the context to or scope of. Would you like to go down the list of people in that megathread and tell each and every one to load their game on an SSD and see just how many are already using one with no benefit to the loading bugs?
Seems someone reported infinite load bug for PS4 as of yesterday, so not just a PC issue.
Problem here is that people are experiencing these issues. Arguing from your perspective that "Well Ihaven't." doesn't suddenly make it so these issues don't exist. This is the problem with anecdotal argument, and the reason for those megathreads. They culminate and show the spectrum of issues for many users.
Just because you personally claim you have not experienced any such issue is not proof it's not an issue, especially for the users that are actively experiencing it.
And cmacq, please don't give personal suggestions to technical issue you don't know the context to or scope of. Would you like to go down the list of people in that megathread and tell each and every one to load their game on an SSD and see just how many are already using one with no benefit to the loading bugs?
You would think that people having a perfect experience would want the same for fellow players.
It's interesting to watch people defend EA every time they release a game. It's just as interesting when people are in shock that EA released a sub-par game. Both sides want the same thing but fight each other instead of the party responsible.
One can still be a fan AND push for better. In fact, anyone not pushing for better, isn't a true fan.
This whole "anybody that thinks differently than me or expects better, is a hater", is stupid. Doesn't help gamers at all. And not holding studios accountable, doesn't make games better.
Seems someone reported infinite load bug for PS4 as of yesterday, so not just a PC issue.
Problem here is that people are experiencing these issues. Arguing from your perspective that "Well Ihaven't." doesn't suddenly make it so these issues don't exist. This is the problem with anecdotal argument, and the reason for those megathreads. They culminate and show the spectrum of issues for many users.
Just because you personally claim you have not experienced any such issue is not proof it's not an issue, especially for the users that are actively experiencing it.
And cmacq, please don't give personal suggestions to technical issue you don't know the context to or scope of. Would you like to go down the list of people in that megathread and tell each and every one to load their game on an SSD and see just how many are already using one with no benefit to the loading bugs?
Since the last time I chimed in:
I have reached Masterwork on my Colossus
I play from an SSD.
I have finally encountered games breaking bugs, I logged out less than ten minutes ago (1432, Hawaii time) because I got a bug that would not let me or my team fly to the next objective marker, we kept getting called back to our last marker. game breaking.
I got the infinite load screen. a few times now.
Loadscreens have slowed waaaay down again.
Missions won't advance so we can finish them...I have been getting this more and more.
Sound cuts out for no reason (I have a very nice sound card and speakers, I doubt hardware is the issue).
Many more "little" annoying bugs.
I have pretty much reversed my position on this game at this point as far as bugs go.
Also, Fuck angry Joe, that dude is a hack and I refuse to take his bullshit seriously.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
And cmacq, please don't give personal suggestions to technical issue you don't know the context to or scope of. Would you like to go down the list of people in that megathread and tell each and every one to load their game on an SSD and see just how many are already using one with no benefit to the loading bugs?
Sorry but no I will not quit giving people suggestions and there is nothing "personal" about them. If you have loading problems and you have the game on an HDD the very first thing you look at is moving it to your SSD. That is a no-brainer. I know because I did that and it made an enormous difference. If you have also done that and still have loading issues well at least we have eliminated that as your problem. Trouble shooting on PCs should always be done one step at a time.
One: giving my experience and saying that I personally think that the situation is grossly exaggerated is not tantamount to saying that there are no issues.
Two: Don't mischaracterize me by saying that I do not want everyone's experience to improve. That would be ridiculous. My own loading times are still worse than I would like, and any improvement to general loading times would be a boon to everyone's experience, mine included.
One: giving my experience and saying that I personally think that the situation is grossly exaggerated is not tantamount to saying that there are no issues.
Two: Don't mischaracterize me by saying that I do not want everyone's experience to improve. That would be ridiculous. My own loading times are still worse than I would like, and any improvement to general loading times would be a boon to everyone's experience, mine included.
Noted.
From here on out, every general statement I make, excludes you. You are the de facto exception. Deal?
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The game is just another of many that have been releasing in a questionable state.
There are people that enjoyed No Mans Sky at launch too, but an incomplete and broken user experience is still that even if some people are fine with it.
I also like Anthem and look forward to it being finished one day.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Listen, the loading screens in this game have become a meme. They are even joking that EA will sell customized loading screens in the cash shop.
In fact, people are posting time stamped videos of loading screens taking longer than actually completing a mission. Even AngryJoe did this in his video.
@Netspook wasn't wrong or "hating".
The only one that takes a while for me is the first one going into a mission. The rest are a matter of a few seconds. Even the tethering has been adjusted a lot, I very rarely get that prompt anymore.
And how is "the game is not worth a single dollar" not hating on it? Please enlighten me. Oh and fuck Angry Joe. We all know you get more clicks with a negative review. You think he's doing this for his health?
Of course things will get better. That's the point of MVP Games as a Service.
They developed a complete game. They stripped it down to a MVP. And will slowly release the already developed content over time, but charging full price for the full game up front.
Are you saying @Netspook shared his experience here for clicks as well? Or he's not allowed to have an opinion because he's not a Youtuber? I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset.
Not to mention you don't have to pay full price to try it out at all. A month of premium is $15 which also gives you access to 180 or so other games.
I'm also wondering why he's so upset. And btw, I did play the game, I played both the VIP demo and quite a few hours last weekend, but haven't touched it since last Sunday so I don't know if it has improved since then, or not.
The comment about spending more time watching loadscreens than playing, was of course an exaggeration, but that sure as hell is how it felt. Heck, I couldn't even use the forge without getting one!
And it IS repetitive. Apart from watching cutscenes and conversations, you mostly do the same over and over and over again. Go there, kill some mobs, go further, kill more, etc. Every mission feels the same, even though they try to make it seem more varied, having you finding stuff, ie the runes. Doesn't matter - again: it's all the same.
It's quite funny to see this fanboy-rage especially considering this game, since it gets crappy reviews EVERYWHERE. For example, the metacritics scores clearly indicates that more people aggrees with me than with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=nrvY3lzJQPA
And as far as the endless loading bug, that may be a PC thing, as I haven't encountered it on PS4 post launch.
EDIT: OK playing through the story again this time solo. Just loaded into a contract and I timed it. It took 18 seconds. That will be the longest I will wait until this mission is done.
Are you a Gamechanger, by chance?
Problem here is that people are experiencing these issues. Arguing from your perspective that "Well I haven't." doesn't suddenly make it so these issues don't exist. This is the problem with anecdotal argument, and the reason for those megathreads. They culminate and show the spectrum of issues for many users.
Just because you personally claim you have not experienced any such issue is not proof it's not an issue, especially for the users that are actively experiencing it.
And cmacq, please don't give personal suggestions to technical issue you don't know the context to or scope of. Would you like to go down the list of people in that megathread and tell each and every one to load their game on an SSD and see just how many are already using one with no benefit to the loading bugs?
It's interesting to watch people defend EA every time they release a game. It's just as interesting when people are in shock that EA released a sub-par game. Both sides want the same thing but fight each other instead of the party responsible.
One can still be a fan AND push for better. In fact, anyone not pushing for better, isn't a true fan.
This whole "anybody that thinks differently than me or expects better, is a hater", is stupid. Doesn't help gamers at all. And not holding studios accountable, doesn't make games better.
I have reached Masterwork on my Colossus
I play from an SSD.
I have finally encountered games breaking bugs, I logged out less than ten minutes ago (1432, Hawaii time) because I got a bug that would not let me or my team fly to the next objective marker, we kept getting called back to our last marker. game breaking.
I got the infinite load screen. a few times now.
Loadscreens have slowed waaaay down again.
Missions won't advance so we can finish them...I have been getting this more and more.
Sound cuts out for no reason (I have a very nice sound card and speakers, I doubt hardware is the issue).
Many more "little" annoying bugs.
I have pretty much reversed my position on this game at this point as far as bugs go.
Also, Fuck angry Joe, that dude is a hack and I refuse to take his bullshit seriously.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
One: giving my experience and saying that I personally think that the situation is grossly exaggerated is not tantamount to saying that there are no issues.
Two: Don't mischaracterize me by saying that I do not want everyone's experience to improve. That would be ridiculous. My own loading times are still worse than I would like, and any improvement to general loading times would be a boon to everyone's experience, mine included.
From here on out, every general statement I make, excludes you. You are the de facto exception. Deal?