Tempest FlashToday at 12:05 AM
Good afternoon, evening, or morning, everyone.
I'd first like to introduce myself - I'm going to be coming onboard as a community relations, in order to give an easier, more transparent communication line with you.
At this time, we have a third party in direct contact with NCsoft. These are real, actual conversations, with the goal of giving us an opportunity for a legal solution. We are working towards that now. We all want to see the future of City of Heroes as a bright one, so we are going to give this one last pass. It's an effort that might be futile, but it isn't one we take lightly.
But as the saying goes: Trust, but Verify - with this effort we are NOT stopping our efforts to provide a private server solution. We are making efforts right now and are getting closer to giving you a more specific timeframe for the release of a server. While negotiations are ongoing, we are absolutely committed to ensuring this game is brought to you in a clear, and open way. We are making efforts to ensure that, if the worst comes to pass, we will not lose our momentum. Please stay tuned for update announcements in regards to either the legal solution, or our open-sourcing.
The code will continue to be provided openly, and will be released via torrents and other solutions in order to ensure that this progress will never be brought back to square one again.
Thank you for your patience.
Tempest FlashToday at 12:11 AM
Just to clarify, the 'Third party' mentioned is Tony V - he has spoken directly to us in regards to this.
Once again, we are not putting all of our eggs in one basket. The big delay here was us trying to work at corporate/legal speeds and it is not the speediest process.
I sincerely apologize for the wait on this announcement, and I will look to get you more regular updates going forward.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
There's currently a Q & A goin on in discord right now.
Welcome to the beginning of the #q-and-a-answers channel. Tempest FlashToday at 12:27 AM
"Where is killmepls?"
Killmepls opted to step down himself - he was not ejected or removed from the staff, he felt it wasn't a position he wanted to hold any longer.
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"NCsoft or NCsoft West?"
That's not information I have yet, actually! I'll look into it.
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"What are your community manager credentials?"
Well, I don't have a resume to show you, but I've been operating as administration in various communities over the years. I'm just hoping to help you guys get some answers and clarity in all of this - it's a bit confusing!
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"Will there be an announcement in regards to an update on the time scale of an actual server coming up?" @Bread
There will be! Lots is going on now, so give us a little time to get a timetable together.
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"Why is there no server up RIGHT NOW?"
We're working on it! No timetable just yet, but as soon as I get ahold of one, I'll announce!
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"Why was there a wait for the announcement?" @Quinch
That was not handled as well as we should have. I sincerely apologize for the delay and the anticipation, that was not a good way to go about announcing this information, and moving forward I will be working to get things handled a bit more smoothly
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"No but seriously, SERVER NAO"
Trust me, I really want to play too. Like, bad. But at this literal exact second we ARE WORKING ON IT. Give us a bit of time!
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"What can we, the regular ol' supporter, do to help?" @Rignite
We're all volunteers here, and we're working on reviving a game that has been gone for a long time. If you could be patient with us, we promise to get you some results. But it's not a process we can rush beyond a certain amount. Stay with us!
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"Are you relying just on this NCsoft deal?"
No, we are working on multiple solutions. Our eggs are NOT in one basket, and we are absolutely not going to simply sit back and wait on NCsoft on this. Coders are still working, and optimizing as we speak.
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"Why are responses taking so long in Q&A?"
To be honest, I'm having to catch up on a lot of this! I'm talking with multiple people and getting information as I go so I can get you the best responses I can. As you can imagine, I'm answering a number of DMs as well, so please give me time to get around to these questions.
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"Can you ensure ACTUAL transparency from here on out? A lack of information regarding server development and just general matters involving this community and outside groups seem way too hidden considering this project is almost entirely fan based(?).
Regardless of inexperience in dealing with large communities as shown throughout the week, clearly providing an answer without cutting corners so that the community is up-to-date needs to happen.
I understand that some information must be kept away due to concerns that may or may not involve legalities. However, parts and bits that simply state the progression of the server can't be difficult to state, right?" @level 21 thief
Transparency has been something we've been trying to keep up with, but you have to understand that we're a volunteer team operating at development speed levels that a professional game company would sell their souls for. Stuff has been happening so fast that we've not actually been able to keep up with that promise as well as we should have, and I sincerely apologize about that. I WILL be making an effort to increase the transparency here.
Server progression information will be coming once we have it, like I said developments are happening in such a way that it's very difficult to pin down specifics on that front.
But I CAN get you this bit I just got fresh off the presses!: The source code has been built successfully. Multiple developers have managed to create characters and get ingame. There are still some functional bugs keeping the source build from being deployed that are being worked on.
Continued in my next post.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
What I want to know is how is this different from any other emu servers? SWG emu still runs doesn't it?
Private servers that are emu's use the client from the game company but server side the code is not the original code from the company it's been reverse engineered and rewritten thus it's an emu which is short for emulator. Emu's emulate the server side code to make the game run whereas this is using the original leaked server code owned by the company.
Continued from my previous post.
Tempest FlashToday at 1:35 AM
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"What prevents a server from being deployed NOW?"
While I have been answering this above, I figured it wouldn't hurt to give a bit more of a specific response in regards to this issue. Basically, it's expensive! The code for this game was written at a time when the solution for needing more power was to 'go wide' rather than 'tall'. Add more servers, not more powerful servers. The memory requirements alone are extensive, and the coders are working on ways (including Linux solutions!) to get this easier to run. We are working on server deployment (as seen above) even with this handicap, but that's why you arn't seeing them crop up faster.
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"Are they dealing with i24 or i25 on the server that they compiled?" @Sarel_Fox
i24 work is underway, but right now it's i25!
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This one was answered by retched!
"Can you guys confirm two things (I can't ask in QnA due to the ridiculous timer) 1) That the server will go up asap, NCSOFT negotiations pending or no, and 2) Will some i25 stuff be incorporated or pure i24?" @DocMadfox
Response by retched:
'Yes. Possibly sooner.
So to break it down. There are two teams right now. Coding team working on I24 code to get that to run and a server admin team working with I25 "binaries". The binaries are the code that is needed to actually be a server. (This is a Windows server mind you.)
Coders are trying to prep code so you can I24 (which was the last Test Server from NCSoft/Paraogon). Last weekend you guys ran I25 (which was I24 + additional resources made by SCoRE.)
Right now, progress has been made on I24 since the coders feel that should be available but we have people looking into I25 hosting. I don't have a progress check or time deadline or anything like that as to when I25 will be launched. But I can tell you it does NOT rely on TonyV's and Leo's talks with NCSoft. The moment we have SOMETHING available to launch, we will launch.'
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"Would donations solve the problem?"
If money was the sole issue, servers would be up right now. There's a lot on the technical side that need to be solved too, and throwing money at the situation won't speed up the process.
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"If the server was working over the weekend, don't we have it now?"
For one, we don't actually have that hardware onboard anymore. Secondly, we were throwing hardware at the problem rather than coming up with solutions - there were several issues with the mapservers that was causing significant problems, and simply overpowering that kind of issue with more hardware like a band-aid is not a solution we want to move forward with.
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"What's your relation to the Reddit discord?"
We have no direct relation to them, we're separate teams!
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"New content?"
Let's get a server going first, we're going to focus on stability and efficiency, then we'll have some chats about what we can add!
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"Can we have a SFW memes and trash channel as well as the current one? I'm chill with the people posting in the current one keeping it like it is... but as it stands? it's porn. its just porn.""Can we have a SFW memes and trash channel as well as the current one? I'm chill with the people posting in the current one keeping it like it is... but as it stands? it's porn. its just porn." @UrgentUndertow
Admins want to take a night to think on that, we have a lotlot of channels!
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"The way interpret some of the answers, it seems like we'd have had to wait anyway while the code was reworked into something more usable. Is that true?" @Turbo Raptor
The coders are hard at work getting a tall solution going, rather than a wide one. The end-goal is to get where a single physical server could host a private server, rather than having to rely on so much hardware! If you want more specifics, the coders in #code-discussion can get you some more info
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"You has mentioned in the announcement that the code may become available though torrents and other sources. If that's the case, is the team able to put together a rudimentary tutorial on how to set up our own servers?" @Hyperman@SirRailgun
We are aiming for that, we'd like an easy-to-deploy private server solution like WoW has, but it's certainly what we're hoping to end up with!
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"How was there no backup of the working server that Yuvi had hosted? Wasn't that the combined efforts of the larger group of coders, wouldn't people have local copies of the work and progress that was being done?" @weenus@infuriatedtt
We have the I25 files involved, though some work was lost when the server deletion took place.
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"Can you go more in-depth about the server deletion?" @Vagrantbliss
The server owner at the time, Yuvi, was spooked by a fake C&D. The threat of severe legal consequences that was put forward was a hoax, but the end result was the server being shut down and all files scrubbed.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Intellectual property laws are holding humanity back and are rewarding only those who can afford expensive lawyers.
Or maybe those who have actual talent to create versus the vast majority of the world that does not. Geez. What people or companies create rightly belongs to them. End of story.
The bad faith of some gaming companies does not mean it is fine to steal the game and run it for yourselves. I do appreciate that with no recourse this could seem like a fair option for fans, but it is not.
It isn't a legal option. Whether it is a fair one is a totally different issue.
I thought that's what I was teasing out, but do carry on rephrasing what I said and saying the same thing.
Oh NCSoft. Unwilling to do a goddamn thing with any of its western properties, but also unwilling to let anyone else touch or purchase them either. Scumbags. NCSoft are nothing but scumbags.
Yep, it's the one company I'd love to see burning down. Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
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Oh NCSoft. Unwilling to do a goddamn thing with any of its western properties, but also unwilling to let anyone else touch or purchase them either. Scumbags. NCSoft are nothing but scumbags.
Yep, it's the one company I'd love to see burning down. Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
Geeze, you'd swear they were Monsanto or something. Please keep things in proper perspective. They sell games for a profit, nothing more.
Pay for them if you wish to play one of their games, withhold your money if you don't wish to support the company.
It's a buying decision, not a cause worthy of donning the Vendetta mask for.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Oh NCSoft. Unwilling to do a goddamn thing with any of its western properties, but also unwilling to let anyone else touch or purchase them either. Scumbags. NCSoft are nothing but scumbags.
Yep, it's the one company I'd love to see burning down. Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
They are protecting their Intellectual Property. Like any other company would.
This is not some EMU project with reverse engineered code. A former NCSoft dev stole all the server code. As far as I know, this is still considered a crime and a serious one at that!
Other people keep comparing it to the SWG EMU. That is completely different. No stolen code was used and it was actually somewhat endorsed by SOE at the time, where they looked the other way, since the game was shut down and StarWars license had expired. Now SOE doesn't even exist anymore as a company.
Oh NCSoft. Unwilling to do a goddamn thing with any of its western properties, but also unwilling to let anyone else touch or purchase them either. Scumbags. NCSoft are nothing but scumbags.
Yep, it's the one company I'd love to see burning down. Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
They are protecting their Intellectual Property. Like any other company would.
This is not some EMU project with reverse engineered code. A former NCSoft dev stole all the server code. As far as I know, this is still considered a crime and a serious one at that!
Other people keep comparing it to the SWG EMU. That is completely different. No stolen code was used and it was actually somewhat endorsed by SOE at the time, where they looked the other way, since the game was shut down and StarWars license had expired. Now SOE doesn't even exist anymore as a company.
The former devs, as in the guys who wrote the code, took their code? You don't say. Some of us believe intellectual property (this has nothing to do with real or personal properties) isn't something to be owned. Knowlege shouldn't be copyrighted, patented, or paywalled. A group of the people who wrote that code want to use it again.
No, they took the code they were hired to write for a company. Not for themselves. Doesn't matter what you believe as far as "code can't be owned." You can believe all you want anything you want.
But if they are found guilty of breaking the law then they are guilty of breaking the law.
If you are hired to do something for the company, unless that company states otherwise, you are creating it for that company. It's not yours.
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Wow, this has been a lot of response. I just wanted to mention something that seems to be an unfortunate reoccurrence, and we feel like we need to mention in order to curb some issues.
There are some people who are threatening Leandro, and this kind-of behavior is not acceptable under any circumstances. Regardless of your opinion of him, this is not how we need to move forward. Leandro is not the lynchpin to the server continuing, and we are not keeping our eggs in one basket. Please be patient with us while we're working on solutions.
retchedToday at 10:27 AM @everyone Good morning, everyone!
Big news, and I do mean big. We've kept things a bit quiet, so I figured springing a bit of a surprise might be a treat for you!
A temporary server has been spun up for the community to play on while a more permanent solution is worked on. (Your accounts from this weekend HAVE BEEN WIPED. YOU WILL BE STARTING COMPLETELY OVER.)
Forum account creation: http://score.savecoh.com/ Note: If you get a database error, refresh the page. Try to make the same account again. If you get an error an account exists, just log in using the LOGIN button on the nav bar. (DO NOT USE THE SMALL FORM AT THE TOP.)
The game should patch/run normally if you restart Tequila. This server is exactly the same configuration as the one we all experienced and enjoyed over the weekend. We are not the GM's of that server, ours is coming later.
This would have not been possible without the help of Leandro! Huge thanks to him, and his efforts to assist in getting this server up and running. Again, our coders are hard at working with the i24 data and source, so this is not their work. This is the i25 that someone else has gone ahead and hosted.
Please keep in mind that this server is meant as a temporary solution. It is likely that your characters may end up being wiped at the end of this, so save your costumes!
We sincerely hope you have a blast, so get out there and save Paragon City, heroes!
And villains, you give the heroes something to do.
P.S. - We all remember the hug-of-death we gave the server last time, so please bear with us in the event of technical issues! Further announcements will follow in the event of such situations.
tl;dr: Game is back up. Make new accounts. Use the links provided. We the coders, and server team are not responsible for this one.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
"Why haven't you answered every question?!"
As much as I would love to give you answers to everything, I have only recently arrived on scene and am trying to keep on top of everything! It's easier said than done. In some cases it's information that I don't have, or something that I don't have full knowledge of and would rather not give you false information! I will do my best to get to as much as I can.
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TempestToday at 3:42 AM
Oh wow, this is a LOT of questions from @Sprawler !
"How did this server come into possession of the City of Heroes/Villains source code in order to initially set up the server. Who had the source code and who did they receive it from, and why were they trusted with it?"
In the interests of protecting the parties involved, we can't really go into that.
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"What is the distinction between the Admin team here and the Coder team here? Are they working independently, or are they a singular team? Is it a hierarchy, and if so, who is in charge?"
We're working on getting some more structure going, this is still really early for a community!
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"In the event of a legally sanctioned community server being created as a result of the talks with NCSoft, what are the teams' plans with this private server?"
We're still planning on providing the server-in-a-box setup at some point, so people can have their own private servers!
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"If this is for the sake of transparency, is it not better to have channels to do with discussion of what's happening behind the scenes here, as a read-only channel? I understand the need for discretion, but transparency can only be so transparent when it is filtered through community managers, Q&As and announcement updates."
Check out #code-discussion and #infrastructure-architecture ! Those channels show what's going on pretty well.
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"Are you okay? Personally? Like, this is a lot to suddenly dump on yourself willingly and I want to make sure you're emotionally alright."
I'm fine, really! There's some people who are quite happy to fling hatred at me, but I love this game and this community, and some sticks-in-the-mud aren't going to stop me from ensuring CoH never dies again.
TempestToday at 4:26 AM
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"Why are you the only one doing Q&A?" @Knight_Stalker
I'm not! I'm the only one posting here, but if you have questions, you can ask in other channels and coders, mods, and admins will answer how they can. I'm just the public face!
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"What's your favorite powerset/class and why is it Mastermind?" @Mush
I love having minions. CoH did the best pet-master class out of any MMO I've ever played! I have a special place in my heart for it, but lately I've enjoyed my Spear/Willpower brute, too. I might roll it as a tank next time, not sure.
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retchedToday at 10:22 AM
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"So, I see that the score.savecoh.com forum is live again. Should our previously registered credentials work, or do we have to create new ones?" @Brax
No. Make a new account. Your old account data was wiped from the last server. Use the links as provided in #announcements to help.
retchedToday at 10:38 AM
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"what is going to determine whether or not we keep the characters on this new server, assuming no one gets bumped to high levels?" @jettca
Generally nothing. Your account data could be wiped a day from now or two days from now, it is really hard to say. Make use of your time and enjoy COH while you can.
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"do the tutorials work now or should we avoid them for the foreseeable future?" @Drakkhen69
I do not know. I did not get a chance to test it. I literally went from Character Creator to Atlas.
TempestToday at 10:40 AM
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"Is this new server your work?"
No. This was an effort by Leandro and his crew (if he has one).
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"Is this going to stop work on the code?"
Nope! We're still working on our own thing, this does not halt our work.
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"Is this another test server or something more permanent?" @Deaths 2nd Hand
Temporary! A more permanent solution is still incoming.
retchedToday at 10:42 AM
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"As a request, is it possible to get the Villain role color differentiated from Admin a bit more? Or just change Admin so it doesn't look like any of the other roles? Maybe a purple? Makes it more obvious when an Admin is talking in chat. (Not that people can't just look, this is just an ease-of-use suggestion.)" @Coeltalath
I did not forget this! I will be making color changes for all the roles that I can in a little bit.
retchedToday at 10:54 AM
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"If this i25 server exists, and since its working, what's the downside to just using that code instead?
Furthermore, who provided this code? Leandro? Has this specific server code/files been released so maybe the i24 progression can go further?" @Zynro
1. To the first, many feel that using i25 isn't a "true" COH experience and therefore wants to play i24 (which was the last test server plus last live server). So we're still opting to build a i24.
2. Leandro provided i25 for the longest. That was running on the server last weekend and this current one now. The source code for i25 has NOT been released. Hence why the coders want to focus on i24.
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"So if I download Tequila and register an account I should be able to play the game?" @2short2care
If you registered a game account on the forum, you should be good. But you still need to do BOTH a forum and a game account.
TempestToday at 10:57 AM
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"I've been following this drama and server since it was public and this recent development seems like a community split which is absolutely the worst case scenario (other than no server at all) it's an absolute disgrace of toxicity on the level of your average League of Legends match.
People want to play City of Heroes NOW. However I want to play City of Heroes in the long run, are you guys working toward a more stable, more transparent, better structured game and Discord server, because it appears this is quickly spiralling into a competition." @Slinky
This is a good one! So, to preface, first of all this is not a competition between them and us. This server specifically is an effort unrelated to the Discord servers or the Titan network, but with the help of Leo, to provide a temporary server while a more permanent solution is worked out. We encourage anyone working on the code to work on solutions, the more the merrier - transparency on our part is a huge thing, and we are still working on showing you everything we can! That's why I'm here, after all.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
"4/27 was mentioned as a release date. Are we still good for that?"
Obviously our timelines have shifted due to circumstances since then, so don't hold that as gospel - please bear with us as we work on solutions!
retchedToday at 11:00 AM
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"How do we make our accounts? I can't find the instructions."@Sparky Summers
Check the post by me in #announcements . Visit those two links I provide.
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"Are the servers in the UK again?" @gronbek
No idea at this time. The person hosting the server wants to be kept anonymous for now.
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"Is it possible to turn on 2xp , if the data will be wiped in a few days?" @moopharm
Again, I don't know if the data will be wiped in hours or days. I'll pass on the suggestion of 2XP. But no guarantees it can be implemented.
TempestToday at 11:06 AM
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"Will we ever be able to retrieve our original CoH / CoV characters on this new server?" @Daedelus
This server will not include your old characters, you should not expect to see them again. Fresh start, everyone!
retchedToday at 11:09 AM
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"Is the #announcements channel the new #server-updates channel since you haven't posted that this server is up on there? Will it get deleted or archived?" @AlexVersusLife
Announcements is NOT the new #server-updates. We're keeping #server-updates for our server. When we launch the discord private server, that is where our updates go regarding that. #announcements is just used to convey information. We don't plan on archiving that channel, anytime soon.
TempestToday at 11:12 AM
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"If the current temporary server that is launched as of 4/24/19 is someone else's work, are they unwilling to share their progress? How does the arrangement currently work given that your coders are obviously interested in doing things the right way.
Are we allowed to know who the beneficiary is here and if we are, who is it?" @haloran
There's no beneficiary! No money is changing hands here. As far as work, we are not stopping ours, so stay tuned for more information on our side of things as we progress
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"The score.savecoh.com site has had all its links redirected to cohsurvivors.com, which is not a live site. When will it be working?" @krellen
There are so many people trying to get onto it right now, the poor server is being hugged to death. Please be patient as it's worked on, there are a METRIC TON of people wanting to play, so please bear with us.
retchedToday at 11:17 AM
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"Is there anything we can do to help? Donation, time, skills, anything?" @haxawe
Right now, we're not taking ANYTHING. I cannot stress this enough, if ANYONE IS OFFERING A PATREON, GFM, PAYPAL, CASHAPP, ANYTHING REGARDING THIS SERVER: DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY.
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"What are the game content differences between I24 and I25 that are deciding which version to host?" @beatbandito
So i24 was i23 + the last Test server which was the last Paragon Studios update in the pipeline waiting to be deployed. I25 was mostly fan made with parts that were datamined out. That's how we got Sentinel AT and Kallista Wharf.
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"cohsurvivors.com’s server IP address could not be found. Is this because of being overloaded?" @Azir Blackfang
Pretty much. That server is getting trashed.
TempestToday at 11:27 AM
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""we are not the GMs of that server, ours is coming later" is this due to the community split?" @Xenopunk
Well, we're open-sourcing this! When multiple servers show up, we're not going to be GMs on every single one, obviously. And right now this server is not in our direct hands, so we are not actively GMing it as staff. That's not to say we wont help where we can, but this is not a project launched by us.
retchedToday at 11:27 AM
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"Maybe we can get an update notice whenever the login servers go back up?" @ 
We don't know, we're not in charge of these servers or in immediate communication with anyone who is
TempestToday at 11:32 AM
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"Question: if CoX was free to play in the end, why are we needing to fund it's revival?" @JBeetus
We are not needing funds. Do not pay anyone, ANYONE for this server.
retchedToday at 11:32 AM
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"If (and when) this community gets its own controlled and GM'd server, you think that server wide costume contests could be held, winners getting that oh so lovely temporary yellow title under their names for a few weeks, just like live servers?" @Mush
Coming from someone from Virtue, if we can figure out how to do such grants and bestowments, that is definitely a possibility.
TempestToday at 11:34 AM
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" On the test server that I played there was a vendor in Atlas Park that sold the Veteran Rewards and other temp powers for INF. If you're working on the Issue 24 build then how will we get those Veteran Reward abilities and Cash Shop Costumes/Powersets?" @Peregrine_Falcon
It's certainly on the table! It'll take some dev-time, our focus is on the release of a stable server first, then adding in QoL improvements like that afterwards. Stay tuned!
retchedToday at 11:39 AM
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"Why isn't the permanent solution server being put to a public vote about the issue it'll run on? "Some people want" is a lame excuse to get rid of some pretty solid updates like the P2W vendor and the finished issue24 sets." @Pancake
There is no definitive way to get a pulse of what people want. Some people want i25 just because it's easily available. Some want i24 just because they feel that i25 isn't the same COH that we all grew up with. Others just don't care and want to play. The reason the focus is on i24, is because we have the source for i24 and the coding team feel that is what's best. With i25, there is no easy button to reverse engineer and start from that code and then build forward. That is why I24 is being focused on. We want something that we continue to develop and build with and not just "Here's the server" and then nothing else changes.
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"Can we even trust this new server? We don't even know who is running it. Has anyone checked for any malignant code?" @Brodo Swaggins
We have it on good faith that this is the same exact code that was made into the weekend run. As always if you cannot take it on face value, I suggest not proceeding forward.
retchedToday at 11:50 AM
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"Is this discord looking for moderators? If so, how does one apply?" @Inc42 (SW-0558-2510-1522)
Not at this time. We will be doing a bit of in-house cleaning and reorganizing.
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"Seeking definitive answer on this: do we need to create a new login/PW for score.savecoh.com forum login?" @Sgt.Marley=VX9=
Attempt to use your old credentials. If they fail, make new ones.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The binaries are out as downloads and anyone can set up an i25 server with it using Lan connections. They packed it with instructions. They are like microwave instructions easy I guess and anyone with the means to do it can set it up. I heard it can be played single player even. NCSoft won't be able to do much it is too widespread. These days things download in an instant you really cannot contain this.
The speed of internet connections are so fast that these days anything shared is out there so quick you will be trying to plug a dyke with your thumb.
Oh NCSoft. Unwilling to do a goddamn thing with any of its western properties, but also unwilling to let anyone else touch or purchase them either. Scumbags. NCSoft are nothing but scumbags.
Yep, it's the one company I'd love to see burning down. Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
They are protecting their Intellectual Property. Like any other company would.
This is not some EMU project with reverse engineered code. A former NCSoft dev stole all the server code. As far as I know, this is still considered a crime and a serious one at that!
Other people keep comparing it to the SWG EMU. That is completely different. No stolen code was used and it was actually somewhat endorsed by SOE at the time, where they looked the other way, since the game was shut down and StarWars license had expired. Now SOE doesn't even exist anymore as a company.
The former devs, as in the guys who wrote the code, took their code? You don't say. Some of us believe intellectual property (this has nothing to do with real or personal properties) isn't something to be owned. Knowlege shouldn't be copyrighted, patented, or paywalled. A group of the people who wrote that code want to use it again.
The firm I work for protects its intellectual property by regularly filing for patents, copyrights and trademarks, quite often with regards to complicated financial trading algorithms and instruments.
While I am employed there anything I might invent with regards to financial products totally belongs to them. (They will allow my name to be on the patents or what not)
Even if I leave the firm I could expect a legal challenge were I to ever try to release a financial product, I'd have to prove there's no way I came up with it on their watch.
Now they won't stop me from inventing the personal jet pack, though I would have to notify them I was doing so and gain their approval.
If this all sounds harsh keep in mind I freely agreed to all of this years ago, nothing was hidden at the time, and I would never go back on that agreement, even if they were to FK me over somehow today.
Oh yeah, they also have the right to tell me (and my immediate family members) what brokers I can invest money with (company approved financial instruments only), no day trading, no speculative trading, and all trades must be preapproved. (They actually have US law on their side for all of this)
Some of my peers chafe at the restrictions but as I tell them, you are free to leave and the rules no longer apply.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Oh NCSoft. Unwilling to do a goddamn thing with any of its western properties, but also unwilling to let anyone else touch or purchase them either. Scumbags. NCSoft are nothing but scumbags.
Yep, it's the one company I'd love to see burning down. Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
They are protecting their Intellectual Property. Like any other company would.
This is not some EMU project with reverse engineered code. A former NCSoft dev stole all the server code. As far as I know, this is still considered a crime and a serious one at that!
Other people keep comparing it to the SWG EMU. That is completely different. No stolen code was used and it was actually somewhat endorsed by SOE at the time, where they looked the other way, since the game was shut down and StarWars license had expired. Now SOE doesn't even exist anymore as a company.
The former devs, as in the guys who wrote the code, took their code? You don't say. Some of us believe intellectual property (this has nothing to do with real or personal properties) isn't something to be owned. Knowlege shouldn't be copyrighted, patented, or paywalled. A group of the people who wrote that code want to use it again.
The firm I work for protects its intellectual property by regularly filing for patents, copyrights and trademarks, quite often with regards to complicated financial trading algorithms and instruments.
While I am employed there anything I might invent with regards to financial products totally belongs to them. (They will allow my name to be on the patents or what not)
Even if I leave the firm I could expect a legal challenge were I to ever try to release a financial product, I'd have to prove there's no way I came up with it on their watch.
Now they won't stop me from inventing the personal jet pack, though I would have to notify them I was doing so and gain their approval.
If this all sounds harsh keep in mind I freely agreed to all of this years ago, nothing was hidden at the time, and I would never go back on that agreement, even if they were to FK me over somehow today.
Oh yeah, they also have the right to tell me (and my immediate family members) what brokers I can invest money with (company approved financial instruments only), no day trading, no speculative trading, and all trades must be preapproved. (They actually have US law on their side for all of this)
Some of my peers chafe at the restrictions but as I tell them, you are free to leave and the rules no longer apply.
I am pretty sure that it only belongs to them if you either used equipment they owned or worked on it while "on the clock."
If you, on your own and without assistance from the company in any way, create a new product.... Unless you specifically signed some kind of contract forfeiting the very rights to the ideas you have in your head... I don't see how they have a claim to your work.
EDIT-. Skimmed the post, it seems you agree to a clause that your very ideas are theirs if they catch wind of them while employed. That's... Pretty dystopian.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Private servers that are emu's use the client from the game company but server side the code is not the original code from the company it's been reverse engineered and rewritten thus it's an emu which is short for emulator. Emu's emulate the server side code to make the game run whereas this is using the original leaked server code owned by the company.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Complete and utter bastards. EA may be greedy and shady, but NCSoft is far worse to me.
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This is not some EMU project with reverse engineered code. A former NCSoft dev stole all the server code. As far as I know, this is still considered a crime and a serious one at that!
Other people keep comparing it to the SWG EMU. That is completely different. No stolen code was used and it was actually somewhat endorsed by SOE at the time, where they looked the other way, since the game was shut down and StarWars license had expired. Now SOE doesn't even exist anymore as a company.
But if they are found guilty of breaking the law then they are guilty of breaking the law.
If you are hired to do something for the company, unless that company states otherwise, you are creating it for that company. It's not yours.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The speed of internet connections are so fast that these days anything shared is out there so quick you will be trying to plug a dyke with your thumb.
While I am employed there anything I might invent with regards to financial products totally belongs to them. (They will allow my name to be on the patents or what not)
Even if I leave the firm I could expect a legal challenge were I to ever try to release a financial product, I'd have to prove there's no way I came up with it on their watch.
Now they won't stop me from inventing the personal jet pack, though I would have to notify them I was doing so and gain their approval.
If this all sounds harsh keep in mind I freely agreed to all of this years ago, nothing was hidden at the time, and I would never go back on that agreement, even if they were to FK me over somehow today.
Oh yeah, they also have the right to tell me (and my immediate family members) what brokers I can invest money with (company approved financial instruments only), no day trading, no speculative trading, and all trades must be preapproved. (They actually have US law on their side for all of this)
Some of my peers chafe at the restrictions but as I tell them, you are free to leave and the rules no longer apply.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
If you, on your own and without assistance from the company in any way, create a new product.... Unless you specifically signed some kind of contract forfeiting the very rights to the ideas you have in your head... I don't see how they have a claim to your work.
EDIT-. Skimmed the post, it seems you agree to a clause that your very ideas are theirs if they catch wind of them while employed. That's... Pretty dystopian.