Original voice actor for Claptrap is not returning to BL3, and here's why

BillMurphy

Dave Eddings is not just the voice behind Claptrap, the lovable but annoying robot mascot of the Borderlands franchise, he's also a former VP of Business Development at Gearbox, and now the driving force behind Rooster Teeth Games' publishing. But he won't be back to voice Claptrap in Borderlands 3, and we might now know why...

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Lobotomist

Fired original art director, fired most recognizable voice actor, dropped steam, badmouthing to 100% all the way.

I must say I am more than little bit suspicious about the game...

Xasapis

The guy had a meltdown over the word microtransactions. Makes you wonder about how pervasive they will be in the new game.

Xasapis

On a separate note, this thread needs the original post fixed.

Discussion / Undefined discussion subject.

Also please clean up a bit the stickied threads. Half of them are at this point obsolete, too old to be of relevance.

Xasapis

Arterius said:

As I said before I really really REALLY hate Randy Pitchford but I am really excited for borderlands. My brother got to go to that press event and said that the game was amazing and everything we hoped for in a third Borderlands. So as much as I hate Randy Pitchford I just can not stop playing his games.

It's an odd situation where you try to separate the artist from the art. It works for some people. For others it's one sided, works for the people who hold the same extreme principles but not for everybody else.

Personally the exclusive deal killed my appetite for the game (and the previous ones unfortunately). Those stories that keep popping up (refusing to pay the employees, assaulting employees, lying to press and others) is merely a positive affirmation of my decision to black hole the game.

Not that I matter in the grand scheme of things, but these are opinion forums, so that's my opinion and my stance on the matter.

Jrich_cp

If the games good, I’ll play it. I don’t let politics or principles get to me. Too many bad games out there. Until more serious offenses start occurring, I’m guessing there’s a line somewhere that i wouldn’t contribute to. But this ain’t it.

TheDarkrayne

Who knows what's true anymore..?

I've read articles where they've quoted Dave saying they refused to pay him.. articles quoting he said they didn't offer him enough so he turned them down.. and now articles quoting him saying he offered to do it for free..

It's all over the place. I don't even care. Get this crap away from my gaming.

Fuck the media, it's a complete mess.

Xasapis

https://twitter.com/davideddings/status/1125565281261297664

It's actually a tweet link chain, won't bother posting more beyond the initial one.

itsover

The robot voice annoy as heck

Scot

Something's happened to Systems OP, seems to have lost its heading and the article is just a link now to the more in depth one.

Galadourn

Although I have to say "undefined discussion subject" would well fit many threads in this forum with all the derailment oftimes going on in them!

DecardCain

itsover said:

The robot voice annoy as heck

C'mon, robot voice cool as heck. It's one of my favorite in Borderlands.

Siveria

Arterius said:

Xasapis said:

Arterius said:

As I said before I really really REALLY hate Randy Pitchford but I am really excited for borderlands. My brother got to go to that press event and said that the game was amazing and everything we hoped for in a third Borderlands. So as much as I hate Randy Pitchford I just can not stop playing his games.

It's an odd situation where you try to separate the artist from the art. It works for some people. For others it's one sided, works for the people who hold the same extreme principles but not for everybody else.

Personally the exclusive deal killed my appetite for the game (and the previous ones unfortunately). Those stories that keep popping up (refusing to pay the employees, assaulting employees, lying to press and others) is merely a positive affirmation of my decision to black hole the game.

Not that I matter in the grand scheme of things, but these are opinion forums, so that's my opinion and my stance on the matter.

Trust me I completely and utterly get that. I am getting the game on PS4 so the exclusive deal doesn't bother me. 

I am waiting till it comes out on steam. I can expect this game to be pirated something aweful due to the whole epic games store BS, many people will do it on principal as a way to stick the middle finger up at epic.

Competition is good in the market place but its not competition when one store bribes them not to release it on another one for a time. Thats just being an ahole imo.

moshra

Siveria said:

Arterius said:

Xasapis said:

Arterius said:

As I said before I really really REALLY hate Randy Pitchford but I am really excited for borderlands. My brother got to go to that press event and said that the game was amazing and everything we hoped for in a third Borderlands. So as much as I hate Randy Pitchford I just can not stop playing his games.

It's an odd situation where you try to separate the artist from the art. It works for some people. For others it's one sided, works for the people who hold the same extreme principles but not for everybody else.

Personally the exclusive deal killed my appetite for the game (and the previous ones unfortunately). Those stories that keep popping up (refusing to pay the employees, assaulting employees, lying to press and others) is merely a positive affirmation of my decision to black hole the game.

Not that I matter in the grand scheme of things, but these are opinion forums, so that's my opinion and my stance on the matter.

Trust me I completely and utterly get that. I am getting the game on PS4 so the exclusive deal doesn't bother me. 

I am waiting till it comes out on steam. I can expect this game to be pirated something aweful due to the whole epic games store BS, many people will do it on principal as a way to stick the middle finger up at epic.

Competition is good in the market place but its not competition when one store bribes them not to release it on another one for a time. Thats just being an ahole imo.

People who are going to pirate this game would do so even if the exclusive deal wasn't happening. 

Although, it they did pirate the game because of the exclusive deal, That's just being an ahole imo.

Aeander

God damnit, Randy. Don't make me feel guilty for liking your games. 

Xasapis

The new Rage is in the unique position to steal some of the thunder of Borderlands (partly because of the exclusive deal, partly because of the CEO meltdown). Then again, I think that it's Bethesda that's involved in this project, so ... erm ... yea ....

JeffSpicoli

The irony of the CEO screwing his employee's out of 12 million and facing a lawsuit for it yet making his game a EPIC store exclusive for a higher revenue share of profits. But , But i was told being on EPIC would redistribute higher pay into the pockets of devs and the little man.....

Sovrath

Rhoklaw said:

Jrich_cp said:

If the games good, I’ll play it. I don’t let politics or principles get to me. Too many bad games out there. Until more serious offenses start occurring, I’m guessing there’s a line somewhere that i wouldn’t contribute to. But this ain’t it.

Stealing employees money, assaulting employees and that's not enough? Tough crowd.

But look, if one were to not support, take part in, play, attend, anything creative done by "bad people" then you wouldn't be watching, seeing, playing, listening to most of the stuff you do.

Because of this I generally separate the art from the person.

MadFrenchie

Xasapis said:

Arterius said:

As I said before I really really REALLY hate Randy Pitchford but I am really excited for borderlands. My brother got to go to that press event and said that the game was amazing and everything we hoped for in a third Borderlands. So as much as I hate Randy Pitchford I just can not stop playing his games.

It's an odd situation where you try to separate the artist from the art. It works for some people. For others it's one sided, works for the people who hold the same extreme principles but not for everybody else.

Personally the exclusive deal killed my appetite for the game (and the previous ones unfortunately). Those stories that keep popping up (refusing to pay the employees, assaulting employees, lying to press and others) is merely a positive affirmation of my decision to black hole the game.

Not that I matter in the grand scheme of things, but these are opinion forums, so that's my opinion and my stance on the matter.

I would daresay every single person in the world admires the works of someone they would judge to be a poor person if they were truly familiar with the person.


Specifically if these folks have actors or actresses they admire the work of.

The artist's personal failing can deservedly overshadow their works sometimes.  Most of the time, however, society as a whole separates the artist from the work, to the point you don't even hear about the issues with the artist.

Of course, Randy appears to act like a dick to other industry employees, which isn't a personal act, it's a professional one.  That we can judge as Randy the CEO, and he failed there, too, if the reported incident is true.

Sovrath said:

Rhoklaw said:

Jrich_cp said:

If the games good, I’ll play it. I don’t let politics or principles get to me. Too many bad games out there. Until more serious offenses start occurring, I’m guessing there’s a line somewhere that i wouldn’t contribute to. But this ain’t it.

Stealing employees money, assaulting employees and that's not enough? Tough crowd.

But look, if one were to not support, take part in, play, attend, anything creative done by "bad people" then you wouldn't be watching, seeing, playing, listening to most of the stuff you do.

Because of this I generally separate the art from the person.

I thought about you reading through this thread, because I knew you would be familiar with the depressing prevalence of "bad personal behavior" by otherwise lauded artists and creatives.  To avoid supporting any bad actors, one would be depriving one's self of most entertainment products.

Amathe

MadFrenchie said:

The artist's personal failing can deservedly overshadow their works sometimes.  Most of the time, however, society as a whole separates the artist from the work, to the point you don't even hear about the issues with the artist.

I recently learned that one of my favorite actors was really a horrible person. That is not speculation. It is well documented.

I am trying not to let that jaundice my appreciation of his film roles. But it's not easy.

Fortunately my memory is shit, so in a few years I likely won't remember he is horrible. 

Aeander

Divorcing the art from the artist can be easy or difficult based on the medium.

If the artist is a writer or other source that is not visually associated with their product (like Orson Scott Card), seperating their opinions from their work is easy enough. 

If it is an on screen actor, negative publicity surrounding that actor becomes much more difficult to separate (ie anything involving Bill Cosby or Kevin Spacey).

This is an interesting case. Randy Pitchford is not in Borderlands, but if the allegations are to be believed, he has a negative impact on everyone who works on Borderlands.

Hashbrick

As a society we are so engrossed to who someone is rather than what they produce and the way they produce.  Social Society has made that ten folds worse.

Take John Wayne for example.

"He made the best westerns ever created."

"Ya but he's a racist to the American Indian Nation though."

So because of what he personally believed, his films shouldn't matter and they should be label junk because a group of people got together and said no.

So cause Randy is an idiot, that makes Borderlands 3 unplayable to some.  One fuckin guy is all it takes, not to put in the work of 100s of countless people who actually strive to make the game the best game it will be.  Nope one guy, the CEO matters more than the blood sweat and tears.

Future is not looking bright people.

Thane

"thaaaat, or his mom just got outta bed, zing!"

Aeander

Hashbrick said:

As a society we are so engrossed to who someone is rather than what they produce and the way they produce.  Social Society has made that ten folds worse.

Take John Wayne for example.

"He made the best westerns ever created."

"Ya but he's a racist to the American Indian Nation though."

So because of what he personally believed, his films shouldn't matter and they should be label junk because a group of people got together and said no.

So cause Randy is an idiot, that makes Borderlands 3 unplayable to some.  One fuckin guy is all it takes, not to put in the work of 100s of countless people who actually strive to make the game the best game it will be.  Nope one guy, the CEO matters more than the blood sweat and tears.

Future is not looking bright people.

Here's the problem.

John Wayne didn't make things worse for the hundreds of good people making his movies.

IF the allegations are true, Randy Pitchford has made and will continue making things worse for the hundreds of people striving to make Borderlands 3 the best game it can be.

Xasapis

Hashbrick said:

As a society we are so engrossed to who someone is rather than what they produce and the way they produce.  Social Society has made that ten folds worse.

Take John Wayne for example.

"He made the best westerns ever created."

"Ya but he's a racist to the American Indian Nation though."

So because of what he personally believed, his films shouldn't matter and they should be label junk because a group of people got together and said no.

So cause Randy is an idiot, that makes Borderlands 3 unplayable to some.  One fuckin guy is all it takes, not to put in the work of 100s of countless people who actually strive to make the game the best game it will be.  Nope one guy, the CEO matters more than the blood sweat and tears.

Future is not looking bright people.

Are you under the impression that it makes a financial difference for the actual developers, artists and coders of 2K if the game does or doesn't become a massive success?

For now they seem to be underpaid, all for a promise of a royalties account that Randy has allegedly siphoned 12M out of.

If anything, these people trusting this person to keep his word, will be their undoing.