The new Rage is in the unique position to steal some of the thunder of Borderlands (partly because of the exclusive deal, partly because of the CEO meltdown). Then again, I think that it's Bethesda that's involved in this project, so ... erm ... yea ....
Bethesda is just publishing. ID Software and Avalanche are actually developing the game. I can't wait to play Rage 2 myself next week. I am hoping that is a mix of Mad Max, Borderlands, and DOOM. So far that seems to be exactly what it is.
The irony of the CEO screwing his employee's out of 12 million and facing a lawsuit for it yet making his game a EPIC store exclusive for a higher revenue share of profits. But , But i was told being on EPIC would redistribute higher pay into the pockets of devs and the little man.....
Your points aren't connected anywhere but in your head. This has nothing to do with Epic. You guys really need to untwist your panties regarding the Epic Store.
Divorcing the art from the artist can be easy or difficult based on the medium.
If the artist is a writer or other source that is not visually associated with their product (like Orson Scott Card), seperating their opinions from their work is easy enough.
If it is an on screen actor, negative publicity surrounding that actor becomes much more difficult to separate (ie anything involving Bill Cosby or Kevin Spacey).
This is an interesting case. Randy Pitchford is not in Borderlands, but if the allegations are to be believed, he has a negative impact on everyone who works on Borderlands.
Even here, it's selective. Sean Penn is a huge POS, but most folks don't even know it.
Steven Tyler once took legal custody of a teenage girl he started banging. Didn't know that? Neither did I until I googled him. Most probably don't know, including Aerosmith fans.
We, as a society, selectively ostracize creatives based on how much we enjoy their work, the specifics of their shortcomings, and how much publicity their specific situations receive. It's not done fairly or judiciously, which is why some get so angry at the idea that society should have a right to "police" personal behaviors of public figures at all.
As a society we are so engrossed to who someone is rather than what they produce and the way they produce. Social Society has made that ten folds worse.
Take John Wayne for example.
"He made the best westerns ever created."
"Ya but he's a racist to the American Indian Nation though."
So because of what he personally believed, his films shouldn't matter and they should be label junk because a group of people got together and said no.
So cause Randy is an idiot, that makes Borderlands 3 unplayable to some. One fuckin guy is all it takes, not to put in the work of 100s of countless people who actually strive to make the game the best game it will be. Nope one guy, the CEO matters more than the blood sweat and tears.
Future is not looking bright people.
Are you under the impression that it makes a financial difference for the actual developers, artists and coders of 2K if the game does or doesn't become a massive success?
For now they seem to be underpaid, all for a promise of a royalties account that Randy has allegedly siphoned 12M out of.
If anything, these people trusting this person to keep his word, will be their undoing.
No I'm not making a financial comparison because at the end of the day those developers, artists and coders are there cause they love what they do they wouldn't be there otherwise. The money is needed to live, it's not the love to make money, if that was the truth they would be on wall street.
However to work on said game and then listen to the backlash that it is shit cause Randy is a human garbage is a slap in the face to anyone that would have worked on it. It's emotionally tied.
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As a society we are so engrossed to who someone is rather than what they produce and the way they produce. Social Society has made that ten folds worse.
Take John Wayne for example.
"He made the best westerns ever created."
"Ya but he's a racist to the American Indian Nation though."
So because of what he personally believed, his films shouldn't matter and they should be label junk because a group of people got together and said no.
So cause Randy is an idiot, that makes Borderlands 3 unplayable to some. One fuckin guy is all it takes, not to put in the work of 100s of countless people who actually strive to make the game the best game it will be. Nope one guy, the CEO matters more than the blood sweat and tears.
Future is not looking bright people.
Here's the problem.
John Wayne didn't make things worse for the hundreds of good people making his movies.
IF the allegations are true, Randy Pitchford has made and will continue making things worse for the hundreds of people striving to make Borderlands 3 the best game it can be.
There's some truth to that, you could argue that his acts will cause some hate, regret, burnout and laziness among the staff, which in turn will be shown by the quality of the game borderlands 3 can have.
However the hive mind is ignored in the grand scheme of things, they are the poster child and not the overall product. If the employees truly believe they want to make the best borderlands ever then they are going to make the best borderlands ever despite "Randy's Antics", because to them they are their for the fans.
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If the games good, I’ll play it. I don’t let politics or principles get to me. Too many bad games out there. Until more serious offenses start occurring, I’m guessing there’s a line somewhere that i wouldn’t contribute to. But this ain’t it.
Stealing employees money, assaulting employees and that's not enough? Tough crowd.
But look, if one were to not support, take part in, play, attend, anything creative done by "bad people" then you wouldn't be watching, seeing, playing, listening to most of the stuff you do.
Because of this I generally separate the art from the person.
I thought about you reading through this thread, because I knew you would be familiar with the depressing prevalence of "bad personal behavior" by otherwise lauded artists and creatives. To avoid supporting any bad actors, one would be depriving one's self of most entertainment products.
And that's the thing, I know too well how many "unpleasant people" have created great works.
The only time I wouldn't patronize an artist (or game or show or whatever) is if I found out that my money was directly going into supporting hate groups or some such thing.
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To err is to be human. Some people don't think they are doing that though. They think they are above others and so do no harm. What is really bad is that outsiders don't really matter because people are supported by people who lay down or turn a blind eye. This just leads to greater and greater misdeeds which sometimes blows up in worst possible ways. Hollywood has had this happen a lot in past few years.
If lawsuit is found to be true then it is one that is sickening to me. Hard to want to contribute money to the company until I know as I would hope he would be taken out of the equation.
Randy Pitchford is crazy, just check out the video on Alien: Colonial Marines by Yong Yea, or Laymen Gaming when they went to Randy Pitchfords "Peacock Party"
I liked the humorous voice acting,the one liners,to me that is the basis and best part of the game. I felt like the combat was really bad,not fun at all.To me it is the type of game i could have fun for 1-2 days tops,enjoy the humor a bit then move on. So my expectations are not very high,shooter games are just not very creative to me anymore nor even fun so unless this B3 is totally a new idea i wouldn't get too excited.
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Randy Pitchford is crazy, just check out the video on Alien: Colonial Marines by Yong Yea, or Laymen Gaming when they went to Randy Pitchfords "Peacock Party"
Sociopaths tend to enjoy seeking such high-ranking positions within companies. They're also uniquely suited to maneuver themselves into such positions.
That doesn't necessarily mean they're all sociopaths or that Randy, specifically is a sociopath, but the literature definitely supports the likelihood of the idea.
The new Rage is in the unique position to steal some of the thunder of Borderlands (partly because of the exclusive deal, partly because of the CEO meltdown). Then again, I think that it's Bethesda that's involved in this project, so ... erm ... yea ....
Bethesda is just publishing. ID Software and Avalanche are actually developing the game. I can't wait to play Rage 2 myself next week. I am hoping that is a mix of Mad Max, Borderlands, and DOOM. So far that seems to be exactly what it is.
Is it a looter shooter, or just a shooter?
They said it will have lots of loot. I can't say its going to be as extensive as Borderlands but it could be more in line with Anthem or Division.
All the accusations about Randy P going around at the moment, does anyone think he's innocent? Of course the assault thing is an issue in of itself, but i must admit the story about him being sued for the $12 million that he apparently took that was supposed to have gone to the company and to be split with the employees, now that, imo is far more serious in as much as it affects more people, doesn't change my opinion of the guy being a loathsome roach though.
What I do care about is the fact that they're selling cosmetics as whatev-transactions when what they used to do was package a good portion of them up with gameplay DLC. Finding skins and vehicle colorways was always a fun part of the game aside from the guns/parts.
I don't understand why they have to go that route when fans supported TF out of damn near all the DLCs they did and are still rocking w/ BL2 even now.
*To be fair they did sell cosmetic packs separate before, but I feel like they're going to nickle and dime it out
I wish these devs would just charge what they need upfront/subscription and stop trying to hit the game dev lotto like Fort... oooooh, I get it.
Never mind.
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As I said before I really really REALLY hate Randy Pitchford but I am really excited for borderlands. My brother got to go to that press event and said that the game was amazing and everything we hoped for in a third Borderlands. So as much as I hate Randy Pitchford I just can not stop playing his games.
I have a feeling their games will still be as good without him at the helm. Hopefully after this kind of debacle we'll have a chance to find out
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Steven Tyler once took legal custody of a teenage girl he started banging. Didn't know that? Neither did I until I googled him. Most probably don't know, including Aerosmith fans.
We, as a society, selectively ostracize creatives based on how much we enjoy their work, the specifics of their shortcomings, and how much publicity their specific situations receive. It's not done fairly or judiciously, which is why some get so angry at the idea that society should have a right to "police" personal behaviors of public figures at all.
However to work on said game and then listen to the backlash that it is shit cause Randy is a human garbage is a slap in the face to anyone that would have worked on it. It's emotionally tied.
However the hive mind is ignored in the grand scheme of things, they are the poster child and not the overall product. If the employees truly believe they want to make the best borderlands ever then they are going to make the best borderlands ever despite "Randy's Antics", because to them they are their for the fans.
The only time I wouldn't patronize an artist (or game or show or whatever) is if I found out that my money was directly going into supporting hate groups or some such thing.
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If lawsuit is found to be true then it is one that is sickening to me. Hard to want to contribute money to the company until I know as I would hope he would be taken out of the equation.
I felt like the combat was really bad,not fun at all.To me it is the type of game i could have fun for 1-2 days tops,enjoy the humor a bit then move on.
So my expectations are not very high,shooter games are just not very creative to me anymore nor even fun so unless this B3 is totally a new idea i wouldn't get too excited.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That doesn't necessarily mean they're all sociopaths or that Randy, specifically is a sociopath, but the literature definitely supports the likelihood of the idea.
What I do care about is the fact that they're selling cosmetics as whatev-transactions when what they used to do was package a good portion of them up with gameplay DLC. Finding skins and vehicle colorways was always a fun part of the game aside from the guns/parts.
I don't understand why they have to go that route when fans supported TF out of damn near all the DLCs they did and are still rocking w/ BL2 even now.
*To be fair they did sell cosmetic packs separate before, but I feel like they're going to nickle and dime it out
I wish these devs would just charge what they need upfront/subscription and stop trying to hit the game dev lotto like Fort... oooooh, I get it.
Never mind.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have a feeling their games will still be as good without him at the helm. Hopefully after this kind of debacle we'll have a chance to find out
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What, me worry?