but lets get real here, things will go down like it alwyas was, it will be a US law, most game are global, what will really go down is, or they will not launch such game in us soil, and the rest the world they would, also undertand the more you treat people like idiots who can't rule they own life, more they will act like such, freedom is a powerfull thing, but also a lot scary for a lot of people, since that would mean you also have to be responsable for it, same for parenting, most parenting people have done in the last years was thanks for video games and TV
Good. Those lootboxes are exploitative and gambling. They don't belong in games period. The government needs to do more to protect the consumer and employees from companies.
This may turn in to a cluster floop, just have to see how things go. Alot of games may be biting the dust IF (and I use IF very loosely) this passes. P2W sure, loot boxes, idk. If its cosmetic like ESO then what does it hurt. No different then a gumball machine really.
No one gives much of a crap about a gumball machine that requires a trip to the location of the machine and a physical quarter to use. Video games use credit cards online and we're not talking quarters.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
It aims to ban the sale of loot boxes and other pay-to-win microtransactions in "games played by minors", specifically for children under 18 "whose developers knowingly allow minor players to engage in microtransactions".
Seems like a pretty sizable loop hole in that wording...
Developer: We only intended for adults to purchase things. We didn't know we were allowing minors to engage in microtransactions.
I know that's an exaggerated over simplification of what would actually be in the proposal, but developers are gamers too, right? Just like a player base will find the most efficient, possibly unintended methods to succeed in a game; I expect studios will find ways to circumvent this proposal should it ever get past a vote.
Don't get me wrong; I applaud the sentiment. It's politics though so I have to put on my cynicism hat...
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
They will end up agreeing to put a label on all such games, something like MT for microtransactions and LB for loot box. Then they can pretend to have done something without actually doing anything.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
They will end up agreeing to put a label on all such games, something like MT for microtransactions and LB for loot box. Then they can pretend to have done something without actually doing anything.
actually the bill already state for children(not the mental age mind you) so most games will jsut strap a 18+ and move on, if parents let his kids play 18+ games that is they problem, hey we go back to if only parents could do parenting again
and not even mentinoning IF that thing pass would only affect us soil, say what did happen to games on that other country who did something like this again?
What they really need to do is turn away from PC games and get the grotesque mobile gaming space under control. They make PC games' mechanics look like nothin'. Let's face it: Kids play mobile games more than PC so the legislation needs to take them on aggressively.
As much as I still enjoy Fire Emblem Heroes, I would appreciate it if they were told to stop being such shitheads with it.
Loot boxes, as much as I dislike them, is like saying opening packs of MTG cards or baseball cards is gambling. Only difference is the argument of tangible vs intangible commodities.
Ok, well this will not protect Adults from being stupid with their money, and will not remove things like loot boxes or other monetary systems, but it will keep the spending of minors in the parents control.
As I see it, this will involve some kind of flagging system where if the account is flagged for a minor (I wager something very easy to set up with mobile/phone devices, where age can be directly entered, and charted right from the provider, IE: Family Plan, were they simply record which family members have which phones, with Age limits attached) the parents will then get a notification and need to provide approval for any in-game purchase made with their Credit Card, so their kid (who is a minor) can't just blow six grand on some stupid hat.
I fully support this kind of system, as it protects the children from aggressive or addictive monetization systems by game companies, and protects the parents from frivolous over spending by their children, which can lead to fiscal hardships.
In that venture, everyone wins.
and for adult that can't be trusted with their own money.. maybe they can have designate their Parents (if still alive) or Significant Other, or Best Friend, to need to validate their spending, because, adulting is hard.. Yo.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Loot boxes, as much as I dislike them, is like saying opening packs of MTG cards or baseball cards is gambling. Only difference is the argument of tangible vs intangible commodities.
Other than the fact that cards are not relegated to "complete garbage you will never use, can never trade, or epic".
He does realize that legal gambling age in the US is 21, not 18, right?
Not true, In certain states at 18 you can play poker and what they call "bingo slots" which are basically regular Vegas style slots machines. Some states allow 18 and up to play poker but no slots of any kind, and then some casino's have their own rules altogether
The very hottest topic on these boards was loot boxes equaling gambling. That was 2-3 months ago. Maybe some senators should update their screens more often. (F5 will do what you're looking for). (And yes, I do feel the need to explain that, its government elected officials we're talking about here).
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
If you keep pushing something then sometime later something will push back. This a dangerous door that could be avoided if companies would regulate themselves.
This could have been avoided if the consumer would regulate themselves.
I'm 100% positive these quacks are diluted and tone deaf beyond repair.
Does he not see what's going on in this country right now? You're worried about passing bills about video game transactions? Let the state governments deal with that for now. They're the ones getting beat by the entities doing this in their respective states.
There's literally a guy who crashes the market every time he opens his fucking mouth ON PURPOSE, tried to put 2 nutmegs into the Fed, inserted a blatant telecom shill as the head of the FCC and that's barely scratching the surface.
Then there's the issue of the cosmonauts who behave like none of that happened or matters because it's coming from their team/tribe... like it's some college rivalry football game.
Bro... kickstand on the loot boxes, and microtransactions for now. We'll live.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Bro... kickstand on the loot boxes, and microtransactions for now. We'll live.
Just FYI, this will have no effect on Loot Boxes, or mincrotarsnions in the game, in regards to adults. This is all about the children, and a means by which they will not be able to spend their parents money without their parents knowing about it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Bro... kickstand on the loot boxes, and microtransactions for now. We'll live.
Just FYI, this will have no effect on Loot Boxes, or mincrotarsnions in the game, in regards to adults. This is all about the children, and a means by which they will not be able to spend their parents money without their parents knowing about it.
Will it work better than parental lock/parental control features?
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Bro... kickstand on the loot boxes, and microtransactions for now. We'll live.
Just FYI, this will have no effect on Loot Boxes, or mincrotarsnions in the game, in regards to adults. This is all about the children, and a means by which they will not be able to spend their parents money without their parents knowing about it.
Will it work better than parental lock/parental control features?
Now instead of requiring a password for every purchase, they will also require a retina scan, finger print, and voice recognition (you know, just in case the child kills the parent and uses a severed finger and eye to gain access because they saw it on a movie.)
Riiiiight parenting vs a billion dollar corporation who think they're entitled to as much of your money as possible. No contest.
yes I know the power of "no" is hard to use
It isn't that the poster you replied to can't say no to kids.
It's that trying to police millions of individuals is much harder than policing a handful of companies, instead.
What's easier to corral? 20 dogs you're already familiar with, or 400 cats?
Are the millions of individuals you're referring to the children? If that's the case, there are millions of people available to do the policing. They're called parents. If they would do their jobs by utilizing the proper parental locks available to them already, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Riiiiight parenting vs a billion dollar corporation who think they're entitled to as much of your money as possible. No contest.
yes I know the power of "no" is hard to use
It isn't that the poster you replied to can't say no to kids.
It's that trying to police millions of individuals is much harder than policing a handful of companies, instead.
What's easier to corral? 20 dogs you're already familiar with, or 400 cats?
Are the millions of individuals you're referring to the children? If that's the case, there are millions of people available to do the policing. They're called parents. If they would do their jobs by utilizing the proper parental locks available to them already, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
No, it's the parents.
Say what you like about who should he responsible, it's much easier to effectively address the issue via manipulating the behavior of a relative few companies, as opposed to changing the habits of millions of consumers.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Riiiiight parenting vs a billion dollar corporation who think they're entitled to as much of your money as possible. No contest.
Developer: We only intended for adults to purchase things. We didn't know we were allowing minors to engage in microtransactions.
I know that's an exaggerated over simplification of what would actually be in the proposal, but developers are gamers too, right? Just like a player base will find the most efficient, possibly unintended methods to succeed in a game; I expect studios will find ways to circumvent this proposal should it ever get past a vote.
Don't get me wrong; I applaud the sentiment. It's politics though so I have to put on my cynicism hat...
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Good parenting will win every time.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
As I see it, this will involve some kind of flagging system where if the account is flagged for a minor (I wager something very easy to set up with mobile/phone devices, where age can be directly entered, and charted right from the provider, IE: Family Plan, were they simply record which family members have which phones, with Age limits attached) the parents will then get a notification and need to provide approval for any in-game purchase made with their Credit Card, so their kid (who is a minor) can't just blow six grand on some stupid hat.
I fully support this kind of system, as it protects the children from aggressive or addictive monetization systems by game companies, and protects the parents from frivolous over spending by their children, which can lead to fiscal hardships.
In that venture, everyone wins.
and for adult that can't be trusted with their own money.. maybe they can have designate their Parents (if still alive) or Significant Other, or Best Friend, to need to validate their spending, because, adulting is hard.. Yo.
Aloha Mr Hand !
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
This could have been avoided if the consumer would regulate themselves.
Does he not see what's going on in this country right now? You're worried about passing bills about video game transactions? Let the state governments deal with that for now. They're the ones getting beat by the entities doing this in their respective states.
There's literally a guy who crashes the market every time he opens his fucking mouth ON PURPOSE, tried to put 2 nutmegs into the Fed, inserted a blatant telecom shill as the head of the FCC and that's barely scratching the surface.
Then there's the issue of the cosmonauts who behave like none of that happened or matters because it's coming from their team/tribe... like it's some college rivalry football game.
Bro... kickstand on the loot boxes, and microtransactions for now. We'll live.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Now instead of requiring a password for every purchase, they will also require a retina scan, finger print, and voice recognition (you know, just in case the child kills the parent and uses a severed finger and eye to gain access because they saw it on a movie.)
Side note: Ban violent movies.
It's that trying to police millions of individuals is much harder than policing a handful of companies, instead.
What's easier to corral? 20 dogs you're already familiar with, or 400 cats?
Say what you like about who should he responsible, it's much easier to effectively address the issue via manipulating the behavior of a relative few companies, as opposed to changing the habits of millions of consumers.