some new videos

killimandros

Just popped by the games forums. First visit in months and theres 3 in game videos. I ASSUME theyre in game. It could obviously just be a very tiny zone created to make an impression of in game, but anyway. Feel free to roast it at your pleasure;

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/31701/shiny-day-sometimes-you-have-to-stop-and-take-stock

goldboyy45

What more can one say? Utterly shameful, pitiful, 3 years post kickstarter and this is the low poly trash they have, flame my opinion all you want, shame on Caspian for leading on the community with the narrative he has a game...that what you see can be created in literally a week. It's about time you guys stand up for what you believe in and speak your mind. I give it about another year before they shut down this project. There is no evidence whatsoever there is a game being made here.

Slapshot1188

goldboyy45 said:

What more can one say? Utterly shameful, pitiful, 3 years post kickstarter and this is the low poly trash they have, flame my opinion all you want, shame on Caspian for leading on the community with the narrative he has a game...that what you see can be created in literally a week. It's about time you guys stand up for what you believe in and speak your mind. I give it about another year before they shut down this project. There is no evidence whatsoever there is a game being made here.

Someone dared to say they thought the videos looked "atrocious" on Discord so that set Caspien off on another tantrum:

Caspian ☁Yesterday at 11:16 PM

I warned snipe not to show any Prelyria client footage in the shiny as it would be criticized and taken out of context.

Caspian ☁Yesterday at 11:16 PM

Prelyria client footage was meant for Early Access - and this is a good example of why.

Caspian ☁Yesterday at 11:17 PM

@Magisto I'll make sure he doesn't show any more Prelyria footage as a shiny. Thanks for the feedback.

Disclaimer:  I actually do not mind the art style and have said repeatedly that they should consider sticking with it as it's much cheaper and quicker to produce.  But the actual systems shown (such as chatting with NPCs) look really bad.  Not meaning visually, but that chat system looks like a very poor design pulled from the 1980s.   

LackingMMO

its like Gothic 1 meets EQLandmarks

killimandros

If this is not a very small instanced zone made for "shiny" purpose, I dont think the graphics is a big issue at this point. Thats to Golddboy. 
It IS an in game presentation (with reservations being were not being shown a diversion), which many has requested. If we assume this IS indeed an in game presentation, thats some evidence theres an actual gameworld. Correct me at any point if I am wrong. So far were already surpassed my expectations. I never thought theyd get there. Theres ALSO scripted NPC's. Who are interactable. 
So let me repeat, if this is not a very tiny instanced zone with prescripted events made as a diversion to make us believe theres an actual game, I would assume were observing the very rough barebones of a game. I will not draw any further conclutions.
Then to slapshot; Apart from the fact visually it looks like poo, I think the idea is interesting. It has always annoyed me how my "toon" instantly knew ALL people in the world, the traditional mmo style of exploring and interacting.

Mendel

These videos looked okay, just not $6 million worth of okay.  The visuals look very much like early EQ1, low poly count in the models and inferior textures, not quite as polished as current EQ1.  If graphics are your thing, these look like they need another $13-15 million to bring them up to par with a really modern game standard.

goldboyy45

Mendel said:

These videos looked okay, just not $6 million worth of okay.  The visuals look very much like early EQ1, low poly count in the models and inferior textures, not quite as polished as current EQ1.  If graphics are your thing, these look like they need another $13-15 million to bring them up to par with a really modern game standard.

I agree with you, they raised what? 6-7M cash for this project over the past 3-4 years? How much do you think is left in the bank? A few million? They have no funds, they need to refill the money coffer with the title sale after DSS or they are toast. BTW a few developers with a week of work time can make that video and 10 times better...keep in mind the kickstarter ended over 3 years ago.

Nilden

delete

Nilden

How do you go from this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=h_ZG22ckzB0

To this...

https://cdn.chroniclesofelyria.com/screenshots/shiny/chronicles-of-elyria_prelyria_knowledge-system-preview.mp4

itsover

will be another broken promise lol.

Mikeha

@Nilden

First thing I thought about when I saw those videos.

Galadourn

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if (and that's a big IF) CoE ends up shipping with those graphics. And Caspian will come up with all sorts of excuses as to why this would be, actually, better than full graphics.

That is, assuming it makes it to release in the first place, which I seriously doubt.

goldboyy45

Galadourn said:

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if (and that's a big IF) CoE ends up shipping with those graphics. And Caspian will come up with all sorts of excuses as to why this would be, actually, better than full graphics.

That is, assuming it makes it to release in the first place, which I seriously doubt.

even with these low fidelity low poly graphics, if you know mmo development you know how much funding and time is needed. Soulbound studios has a bunch of art assets and a dream in Caspian. There is no MMO, i will say it again, there is no actual MMORPG and there will never be one from Soulbound Studios. The first step in me changing my mind is Caspian getting fired or giving the reins to some one else. Caspian is all talk and has no ability to deliver anything, it's beeb excuse after excuse year after year...the ivory tower will never admit they are supporting a dead project and will back his vision until that day when he posts a letter how CoE is shutting down citing a big portion of the community not supporting him.

Wizardry

I see nothing,so i cannot comment.
I doubt the graphics are as bad as the MANY terrible looking games that seem to receive praise or high scores in reviews.I expect it actually likely"what little they have" looks good.

It wouldn't change my perception of the way this game has been handled,the business of building games on crowd funding or my perception of what this game will become.

Over the past 10 years some serious flaws,black marks have arrived on the gaming industry and ruined it for everyone.
When we can rid the industry of cash shops,deceptive marketing practices,FAKE endorsements,crowd funding then maybe we can get back to honest game developers COMPETING with their product results and not fake promises and biased marketing partners.

Slapshot1188

Because someone said they only wanted to see facts and not promises about the D&SS and other stuff (LIKE THE VIDEO):

Caspian ☁Today at 12:12 AM

I think it's unfortunate we've reached a point where people generally reach consensus and agree on "anything the devs say is bullshit anyways and we can't trust anything until it's in our hands." In an ideal world, people would recognize that what we say here in Discord isn't "official" unless it's in the official-updates channel, as much of what we talk about here is in "discussion" and not "announcements." It's really us getting quick feedback, sharing our excitement, and hanging with the people. As for the official-updates and forums, if it's "official," then aside from our past history of hitting release dates, I'm sad that people are now effectively trying to convince others not to believe anything we say. But... If nobody is going to believe what we say anyways... I know how I'm not going to be spending my time...

Dvora

Caspian should just never say another word in public, then the deception would be easier for them to continue.

Scot

Slapshot1188 said:

Because someone said they only wanted to see facts and not promises about the D&SS and other stuff:

Caspian ☁Today at 12:12 AM

I think it's unfortunate we've reached a point where people generally reach consensus and agree on "anything the devs say is bullshit anyways and we can't trust anything until it's in our hands." In an ideal world, people would recognize that what we say here in Discord isn't "official" unless it's in the official-updates channel, as much of what we talk about here is in "discussion" and not "announcements." It's really us getting quick feedback, sharing our excitement, and hanging with the people. As for the official-updates and forums, if it's "official," then aside from our past history of hitting release dates, I'm sad that people are now effectively trying to convince others not to believe anything we say. But... If nobody is going to believe what we say anyways... I know how I'm not going to be spending my time...

Going out on a limb here but maybe Caspian spending less time on Discord and more time directing the making the game would be beneficial to actually finishing CoE?

Kyleran

Well, that and he needs to get away from his job more and get some rest.

No way should he be making Discord posts at 9:11 PM PST on a Saturday night.

Needs to go out and see a movie or something.

He is really way too sensitive to be on any sort of public forum, he lives in an ivory tower already where criticism is far less frequent or as vitriolic than elsewhere and it sends him into a rage.

In two evenings we've seen him way over react from a few people criticizing the in game footage and now because a few people say the devs are full of it he labels his entire community as generally distrusting devs.

I sure hope he never reads these forums, I'd hate to wake up one day and read that he jumped off a bridge or something.

  

I can't imagine what he must be like to work for considering his comments about how he felt about Snipehunter sharing those in game videos with the unwashed masses, must be a withering experience. 

I won't be at all surprised if Snipe moves on before this game finishes, heck he might not last the year's end.

goboygo

The thing that's shocking to me is this games art work and "screenshots" for kick-starter dictated a realistic looking game-world, now its just a weird looking cartoon game.  Very disappointing.

Looks like a mobile game actually.

Torrsk

Slapshot1188 said:

Because someone said they only wanted to see facts and not promises about the D&SS and other stuff:

Caspian ☁Today at 12:12 AM

I think it's unfortunate we've reached a point where people generally reach consensus and agree on "anything the devs say is bullshit anyways and we can't trust anything until it's in our hands." In an ideal world, people would recognize that what we say here in Discord isn't "official" unless it's in the official-updates channel, as much of what we talk about here is in "discussion" and not "announcements." It's really us getting quick feedback, sharing our excitement, and hanging with the people. As for the official-updates and forums, if it's "official," then aside from our past history of hitting release dates, I'm sad that people are now effectively trying to convince others not to believe anything we say. But... If nobody is going to believe what we say anyways... I know how I'm not going to be spending my time...

I feel honoured, that was basically said back to me. Wasn't around at the time of him writing that, sadly. I do wonder if he notices, that basically every gamer does the same about any company. So many hype the hell out of the game years before launch. To come launch and what do you know, everything has been changed. So with CoE, I like the core ideas. But not going to act like everything will be in game, doesn't help when so much has already been changed as well.

Always interesting to see the white knights sucking Caspian off good, after he wrote this. Saying any complainers are really just the minority.

'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

Its the same people over and over and over again Caspian

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Gov. Kynlo Accardi of VeseniaYesterday at 2:17 PM

Casp, you just choose the wrong moments 

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'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

It literally is a minority

Much like how the white knights can be viewed as the same people. If they wanted to be honest with themselves. Most are at a neutral state right now. But for some reason, people are so utterly black and white. 

Yet the stupid thing with Caspian comment, there was 3 of us agreeing with each other. While everyone else around was taking the opposite view. Yet somehow he got so annoyed/upset by that. It's shocking really. Somehow one of the others got themselves banned from the discord as well, so that will no doubt help future convos. Was an 10k backer as well. Nothing like silencing anyone that speaks out. Even though he keeps going on and on about liking negative feedback. Actions speak louder than words.

Mendel

Torrsk said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Because someone said they only wanted to see facts and not promises about the D&SS and other stuff:

Caspian ☁Today at 12:12 AM

I think it's unfortunate we've reached a point where people generally reach consensus and agree on "anything the devs say is bullshit anyways and we can't trust anything until it's in our hands." In an ideal world, people would recognize that what we say here in Discord isn't "official" unless it's in the official-updates channel, as much of what we talk about here is in "discussion" and not "announcements." It's really us getting quick feedback, sharing our excitement, and hanging with the people. As for the official-updates and forums, if it's "official," then aside from our past history of hitting release dates, I'm sad that people are now effectively trying to convince others not to believe anything we say. But... If nobody is going to believe what we say anyways... I know how I'm not going to be spending my time...

I feel honoured, that was basically said back to me. Wasn't around at the time of him writing that, sadly. I do wonder if he notices, that basically every gamer does the same about any company. So many hype the hell out of the game years before launch. To come launch and what do you know, everything has been changed. So with CoE, I like the core ideas. But not going to act like everything will be in game, doesn't help when so much has already been changed as well.

Always interesting to see the white knights sucking Caspian off good, after he wrote this. Saying any complainers are really just the minority.

'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

Its the same people over and over and over again Caspian

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Gov. Kynlo Accardi of VeseniaYesterday at 2:17 PM

Casp, you just choose the wrong moments 

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'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

It literally is a minority

Much like how the white knights can be viewed as the same people. If they wanted to be honest with themselves. Most are at a neutral state right now. But for some reason, people are so utterly black and white. 

Yet the stupid thing with Caspian comment, there was 3 of us agreeing with each other. While everyone else around was taking the opposite view. Yet somehow he got so annoyed/upset by that. It's shocking really. Somehow one of the others got themselves banned from the discord as well, so that will no doubt help future convos. Was an 10k backer as well. Nothing like silencing anyone that speaks out. Even though he keeps going on and on about liking negative feedback. Actions speak louder than words.

Sometimes, I think Caspian has difficulty with reading comprehension.  He seems to read things into statements that cause him to react, painting the community with negativity.  This rarely reflects well on SBS and the CoE project.

Nilden

Galadourn said:

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if (and that's a big IF) CoE ends up shipping with those graphics. And Caspian will come up with all sorts of excuses as to why this would be, actually, better than full graphics.

That is, assuming it makes it to release in the first place, which I seriously doubt.

If they launch with those low poly graphics the whole thing is a smoke and mirrors circus of misleading advertising, if it isn't already.

Personally I already think its a bait and switch. Nobody would have been throwing down 10k on those shit low poly graphics.

Slapshot1188

Mendel said:

Torrsk said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Because someone said they only wanted to see facts and not promises about the D&SS and other stuff:

Caspian ☁Today at 12:12 AM

I think it's unfortunate we've reached a point where people generally reach consensus and agree on "anything the devs say is bullshit anyways and we can't trust anything until it's in our hands." In an ideal world, people would recognize that what we say here in Discord isn't "official" unless it's in the official-updates channel, as much of what we talk about here is in "discussion" and not "announcements." It's really us getting quick feedback, sharing our excitement, and hanging with the people. As for the official-updates and forums, if it's "official," then aside from our past history of hitting release dates, I'm sad that people are now effectively trying to convince others not to believe anything we say. But... If nobody is going to believe what we say anyways... I know how I'm not going to be spending my time...

I feel honoured, that was basically said back to me. Wasn't around at the time of him writing that, sadly. I do wonder if he notices, that basically every gamer does the same about any company. So many hype the hell out of the game years before launch. To come launch and what do you know, everything has been changed. So with CoE, I like the core ideas. But not going to act like everything will be in game, doesn't help when so much has already been changed as well.

Always interesting to see the white knights sucking Caspian off good, after he wrote this. Saying any complainers are really just the minority.

'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

Its the same people over and over and over again Caspian

---

Gov. Kynlo Accardi of VeseniaYesterday at 2:17 PM

Casp, you just choose the wrong moments 

---

'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

It literally is a minority

Much like how the white knights can be viewed as the same people. If they wanted to be honest with themselves. Most are at a neutral state right now. But for some reason, people are so utterly black and white. 

Yet the stupid thing with Caspian comment, there was 3 of us agreeing with each other. While everyone else around was taking the opposite view. Yet somehow he got so annoyed/upset by that. It's shocking really. Somehow one of the others got themselves banned from the discord as well, so that will no doubt help future convos. Was an 10k backer as well. Nothing like silencing anyone that speaks out. Even though he keeps going on and on about liking negative feedback. Actions speak louder than words.

Sometimes, I think Caspian has difficulty with reading comprehension.  He seems to read things into statements that cause him to react, painting the community with negativity.  This rarely reflects well on SBS and the CoE project.

I stand by my belief that the underlying issue is low self-confidence.  It’s the mark of an unskilled/unsure leader.   Then he always retreats to the childlike reaction of “Then I’m going to take my toys and go home”.  He’s said stuff like that over and over again.  With customers, with MMORPG.COM,  with Massively.  On Discord. On forums...

He keeps talking about how folks say he’s a bad CEO.   Well... he’s blown just about every deadline (some by years and counting), he’s millions over budget, he’s failed to land a publisher, he’s lost man-years of work on bad decisions like SpatialOS, VoxElyria, ElyriaMud, and he’s had to lay-off employees (and rumors also talk about salary cuts).  His entire team is roughly 20 (or less).

By what measure could he realistically say he’s been a successful CEO?  He had a successful Kickstarter (but only raised a fraction of the money needed).  Is that all it takes to be considered a successful CEO?  Is that really what he thinks?

Not one person who backed the Kickstarter could honestly say that anything shown in these videos represents where they expected the game’s development to be today.  

goldboyy45

Kyleran said:

Well, that and he needs to get away from his job more and get some rest.

No way should he be making Discord posts at 9:11 PM PST on a Saturday night.

Needs to go out and see a movie or something.

He is really way too sensitive to be on any sort of public forum, he lives in an ivory tower already where criticism is far less frequent or as vitriolic than elsewhere and it sends him into a rage.

In two evenings we've seen him way over react from a few people criticizing the in game footage and now because a few people say the devs are full of it he labels his entire community as generally distrusting devs.

I sure hope he never reads these forums, I'd hate to wake up one day and read that he jumped off a bridge or something.

  

I can't imagine what he must be like to work for considering his comments about how he felt about Snipehunter sharing those in game videos with the unwashed masses, must be a withering experience. 

I won't be at all surprised if Snipe moves on before this game finishes, heck he might not last the year's end.

I won't be surprised if Snipe moves on as well, that is all he's good for. Look at his last place of employment, he was working on Revival the MMO, same tenets CoE has, large multiplayer world, players shape it...open world housing etc...they ended up defrauding the community and selling tons of housing for lots of money, in the end they shut the whole thing down. Here is a link for citation...another project i used to follow.

https://massivelyop.com/2016/03/24/revivals-development-has-been-indefinitely-suspended/

goldboyy45

Slapshot1188 said:

Mendel said:

Torrsk said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Because someone said they only wanted to see facts and not promises about the D&SS and other stuff:

Caspian ☁Today at 12:12 AM

I think it's unfortunate we've reached a point where people generally reach consensus and agree on "anything the devs say is bullshit anyways and we can't trust anything until it's in our hands." In an ideal world, people would recognize that what we say here in Discord isn't "official" unless it's in the official-updates channel, as much of what we talk about here is in "discussion" and not "announcements." It's really us getting quick feedback, sharing our excitement, and hanging with the people. As for the official-updates and forums, if it's "official," then aside from our past history of hitting release dates, I'm sad that people are now effectively trying to convince others not to believe anything we say. But... If nobody is going to believe what we say anyways... I know how I'm not going to be spending my time...

I feel honoured, that was basically said back to me. Wasn't around at the time of him writing that, sadly. I do wonder if he notices, that basically every gamer does the same about any company. So many hype the hell out of the game years before launch. To come launch and what do you know, everything has been changed. So with CoE, I like the core ideas. But not going to act like everything will be in game, doesn't help when so much has already been changed as well.

Always interesting to see the white knights sucking Caspian off good, after he wrote this. Saying any complainers are really just the minority.

'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

Its the same people over and over and over again Caspian

---

Gov. Kynlo Accardi of VeseniaYesterday at 2:17 PM

Casp, you just choose the wrong moments 

---

'❥ Viaurrielle WinterlynnYesterday at 2:17 PM

It literally is a minority

Much like how the white knights can be viewed as the same people. If they wanted to be honest with themselves. Most are at a neutral state right now. But for some reason, people are so utterly black and white. 

Yet the stupid thing with Caspian comment, there was 3 of us agreeing with each other. While everyone else around was taking the opposite view. Yet somehow he got so annoyed/upset by that. It's shocking really. Somehow one of the others got themselves banned from the discord as well, so that will no doubt help future convos. Was an 10k backer as well. Nothing like silencing anyone that speaks out. Even though he keeps going on and on about liking negative feedback. Actions speak louder than words.

Sometimes, I think Caspian has difficulty with reading comprehension.  He seems to read things into statements that cause him to react, painting the community with negativity.  This rarely reflects well on SBS and the CoE project.

I stand by my belief that the underlying issue is low self-confidence.  It’s the mark of an unskilled/unsure leader.   Then he always retreats to the childlike reaction of “Then I’m going to take my toys and go home”.  He’s said stuff like that over and over again.  With customers, with MMORPG.COM,  with Massively.  On Discord. On forums...

He keeps talking about how folks say he’s a bad CEO.   Well... he’s blown just about every deadline (some by years and counting), he’s millions over budget, he’s failed to land a publisher, he’s lost man-years of work on bad decisions like SpatialOS, VoxElyria, ElyriaMud, and he’s had to lay-off employees (and rumors also talk about salary cuts).  His entire team is roughly 20 (or less).

By what measure could he realistically say he’s been a successful CEO?  He had a successful Kickstarter (but only raised a fraction of the money needed).  Is that all it takes to be considered a successful CEO?  Is that really what he thinks?

Not one person who backed the Kickstarter could honestly say that anything shown in these videos represents where they expected the game’s development to be today.  

Every point and sentiment you have cited I 100% agree with you. As someone who not only backed Kickstarter with a high tier pledge but also been following CoE very closely, I can honestly say all your points are correct. I wanted to add a tidbit of info here and say that I do think that they are working on a game..there is no scam here at all...what is really going on is mismanagement on a galactic scale...same as with Star Citizen..another project that will never come out because of gross mismanagement. I have said this before and I will say it again...Soulbound Studios has a bunch of code, art assets, and a bunch of ideas...that is all. SbS will never put all of these pieces together to make an actual game...this is why Caspian can't meet any deadlines because he knows they have the assets but absolutely no means to put it all together...frustration is setting in and it will only get worse.

Wait until one day they release Pre-Elyria and the ivory tower sees how shallow their development really was. I truly expect nothing more than a low-poly tech demo with very primitive mechanics. 

bcbully

 Not bad at all. Keep pushing forward CoE