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  • HomelanderHomelander Member UncommonPosts: 306

    Actualy, that is realy, not true. WoW may be the most played american MMO but, if you compared it to the korean market, it would be insignificant. They have MMO's that are listing 10's of millions of accounts, with hundreds of thousands of players playing year round. So, claiming that WoW is the most popular MMO ever is by far, a long shot. Don't want to be "too" much of a pain in the butt, however your view of the "USA" being the world is very narrow at best.

    Besides, nothing wrong with playing a game where there are no penalties for dying and so on. It is much more relaxing and enjoyable if your tired and just feel like kicking back. Plus, if you do end up dying, you don't feel as if you just wasted your time.

    As was mentionned in an earlier post, EVE and WoW are 2 very different genres inside the MMO market. They appeal to several different people and due to the complexity of EVE, it will probably never have the success of a "fantasy fun land" where everyone is jolly (a la Ragnarok) ... too much smiling in a game ... lol.

    P.S. I only used the term "USA" to take into account the globolization of products being offered in the english language. I realize that ALOT of the people who play these games are from Europe/Canada/South America/Australia, don't mean to shun anyone, just used it for the sake of comparaison.

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  • ::blank::::blank:: Member Posts: 154



    Originally posted by dakilla666

    Actualy, that is realy, not true. WoW may be the most played american MMO but, if you compared it to the korean market, it would be insignificant. They have MMO's that are listing 10's of millions of accounts, with hundreds of thousands of players playing year round. So, claiming that WoW is the most popular MMO ever is by far, a long shot. Don't want to be "too" much of a pain in the butt, however your view of the "USA" being the world is very narrow at best.
    Besides, nothing wrong with playing a game where there are no penalties for dying and so on. It is much more relaxing and enjoyable if your tired and just feel like kicking back. Plus, if you do end up dying, you don't feel as if you just wasted your time.
    As was mentionned in an earlier post, EVE and WoW are 2 very different genres inside the MMO market. They appeal to several different people and due to the complexity of EVE, it will probably never have the success of a "fantasy fun land" where everyone is jolly (a la Ragnarok) ... too much smiling in a game ... lol.
    P.S. I only used the term "USA" to take into account the globolization of products being offered in the english language. I realize that ALOT of the people who play these games are from Europe/Canada/South America/Australia, don't mean to shun anyone, just used it for the sake of comparaison.



    ok thanks for clearing this up..

    but usa is all that matters to me when it comes to wow cause i play on the us realms..but i do see where i made a mistake.

  • KeltikKeltik Member UncommonPosts: 89

    In all honesty, after wasting several months in Eve, I was glad to move to WoW.
    Eve has some of the biggest tossers playing I've ever seen in an online game but since its got such a small population its even more apparant than in WoW.
    I play games to relax, not be a total prick to people I don't know. Take your "hardcore pvp" game and shove it.::::28::

  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501



    Originally posted by dakilla666

    Actualy, that is realy, not true. WoW may be the most played american MMO but, if you compared it to the korean market, it would be insignificant. They have MMO's that are listing 10's of millions of accounts, with hundreds of thousands of players playing year round. So, claiming that WoW is the most popular MMO ever is by far, a long shot. Don't want to be "too" much of a pain in the butt, however your view of the "USA" being the world is very narrow at best.
    Besides, nothing wrong with playing a game where there are no penalties for dying and so on. It is much more relaxing and enjoyable if your tired and just feel like kicking back. Plus, if you do end up dying, you don't feel as if you just wasted your time.
    As was mentionned in an earlier post, EVE and WoW are 2 very different genres inside the MMO market. They appeal to several different people and due to the complexity of EVE, it will probably never have the success of a "fantasy fun land" where everyone is jolly (a la Ragnarok) ... too much smiling in a game ... lol.
    P.S. I only used the term "USA" to take into account the globolization of products being offered in the english language. I realize that ALOT of the people who play these games are from Europe/Canada/South America/Australia, don't mean to shun anyone, just used it for the sake of comparaison.



    actually. no.

    While it is true that Korean games tends to have many accounts, most of these are not kept by any private person, but by internet cafes.

    a very well done site, www.mmogchart.com , has the datas for MMorpgs release so far, yes, also the koreans. And surprise surprise, Lineage is at 2 mil people. Lineage 2 more or less the same. WoW is at 3.5 mil from the last press release...

    So, sorry. WoW IS the World most played MMORPG of the present.

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  • CennCenn Member Posts: 239

    But the MMOGCHART site specifically says that the data from net-cafes etc are not incorporated, as they are not "subscriptions" in the generally agreed sense.

  • JukanJukan Member UncommonPosts: 325

    If EVE was based in a Fantasy Realm it would be Lineage 2. L2 is hardcore with immense seiges, plus the graphics are sweet. Maybe just a bit underated because people don't know what they are talking about...but eh, it is a lot different now than Beta which most reviews are based off of.

    Also, thank god WoW isn't always considered a god MMO. I played it and didn't actually see too much difference between it and other MMOs except it was much much easier.

  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501



    Originally posted by Cenn

    But the MMOGCHART site specifically says that the data from net-cafes etc are not incorporated, as they are not "subscriptions" in the generally agreed sense.




    yes, because such cafe datas is impossible to calculate on an user by user basis and such not considered in account counting cause who knows? Since WoW is present in Korea as well, we have to keep in account the same cafes most probably now offer WoW subscriptions side by side with the 2 lineages, ragnarok online and what not, making the cafes situation even worse to catalogue.

    That's why it is use to consider personal subscriptions as the most evident data.

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  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221

    I find that article very BIASed. There is no way to compare WoW style and Eve style. The whole point of a MMORPG is leveling your char, doing quests, killing mobs and stuff. In Eve, there isnt much of that. Eve is strickly about PvP and ganking. And whatever you say taht ganking is part of the game, I disagree - ganking is the means for people who have better equipment to take advantage and kill people who have worse equipment. I personaly do not enjoy getting whacked by someone who is way out of my league. But hey, if it works for you...

    The point im trying to make, the author is a perfect example of a fanboi who doesnt get his facts straight, or doesnt understand the concept of MMORPG. Sure I would realy like WoW to be more dynamic like DAOC, where PvP is meaningful and has tangible results like Planetside. And sure id love to see WoW have trading and player made infrastructure like horizons or Eve. Unfortunately, none of MMORPGs can provide all of that. What WoW gives me is a chance to invest my 2-3 hours daily and actualy accomplish something without the need for great guild, great items or time. And I wont worry about getting my ass wooped by a level 60 when I dont feel like it (i play on PvE).

    To make a simple comparison, the author of that article is making comparison of a trailer to Ferrari. Although both has wheels and can ride on roads, trailer was not designed for speeding.

    I like WoW and I like Eve too, although I like concept of Eve more then the gameplay (reminds me a lot of Privateer and Elite series from the old age), what I dont like is people like author of that article comparing games that shouldnt be compared. You cant compare WoW and Eve, EQ2 and GW, Coca Cola and Beer, Mercedes and Boeing, Boat and Spaceship because if you are comparing, you will try to find similarities between them which is hard to do if they have little or none.

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  • protorocprotoroc Member Posts: 1,042

    EVE is a good game but it doesnt appeal to everyone, not everyone has the patience to be a space trader. I myself only lasted a month if even, i just didnt want to deal with the economy simulator game.

  • KaneKane Member Posts: 780


    Originally posted by Volkmar
    Originally posted by Cenn
    But the MMOGCHART site specifically says that the data from net-cafes etc are not incorporated, as they are not "subscriptions" in the generally agreed sense.
    yes, because such cafe datas is impossible to calculate on an user by user basis and such not considered in account counting cause who knows? Since WoW is present in Korea as well, we have to keep in account the same cafes most probably now offer WoW subscriptions side by side with the 2 lineages, ragnarok online and what not, making the cafes situation even worse to catalogue.
    That's why it is use to consider personal subscriptions as the most evident data.

    Your both missing how internet cafes actually work. The cafes themselves only maintain a LICENSE, not an account. Every person that comes in has to have their OWN account. Their is no reason that these numbers are not counted as how would you differentiate where someone is using their account?

  • If Eve so much better then world of warcraft go play it. Eve was by far the worst mmorpg I had ever played, fun aspects of EVE? 1: Camping gates for pvp 2: Mining 3: Talking alot of smack and fighting with other mentally handicap starbase owners. World of warcraft content galore, better balanced pvp system. People need to face the fact only a minority of mmorpg players hate World of Warcraft and promote other games that only they in end like. Nothing good ever came from the UK since Sacred....

    PS I dont even remeber if even sacred came from the UK...

    another PS Vampire: the Masqerade wasnt even good.

  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by enemymind
    If Eve so much better then world of warcraft go play it. Eve was by far the worst mmorpg I had ever played, fun aspects of EVE? 1: Camping gates for pvp 2: Mining 3: Talking alot of smack and fighting with other mentally handicap starbase owners. World of warcraft content galore, better balanced pvp system. People need to face the fact only a minority of mmorpg players hate World of Warcraft and promote other games that only they in end like. Nothing good ever came from the UK since Sacred....PS I dont even remeber if even sacred came from the UK...another PS Vampire: the Masqerade wasnt even good.

    1. EvE was developed in Iceland.

    2. Criticizing a game because people occasionally talk smack when you play WoW - the game that's almost universally regarded as having the most immature community of imbecilic infants in gaming history - isn't gonna help your argument.

    3. Fun aspects of WoW? Doing that same predictable instance for the 40th time with a vague glimpse of a hope in hell that you'll win the roll and not get your gear ninja'd so you can go stand in Ironforge for hours wearing it and feel slightly better about being genitally inadequate (go to Ironforge and count 'em. A truly sad sight to see.)

    4. The words "World of Warcraft" and "balanced PvP system" were never meant to be used in the same sentence. Please ensure it never happens again.

    WoW is a bubblegum MMO. Yes it's popular, but it's popular because it's shallow and easy.

  • World of warcraft has alot more going for it then Eve just because you dont like World of warcraft because of immature players cant be used due to the overwhelming population you think each ones going to be an adult? You act like world of warcrafts the only mmorpg with immature players Ive seen them all in every game even Everquest II so that doesnt really hurt the game at all. At least world of warcraft had instances and other raid dungeons were teamwork is required and immature players dont usually make it that far unless its a large group of them called a guild, because people dont group with idiots. Id like to see you pvp in dark age of camelot as a priest or healer type I mean really all classes in world of warcraft actually have a chance agianst each other instead of the old rogue>caster,caster>tank crap sometimes winning a battle isnt as simple as clicking a few buttons. People who gripe about world of warcraft are merely a small community of probally stuck up everquest players who didnt try the game or dont even play mmorpgs.

  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by enemymind
    World of warcraft has alot more going for it then Eve just because you dont like World of warcraft because of immature players cant be used due to the overwhelming population you think each ones going to be an adult? You act like world of warcrafts the only mmorpg with immature players Ive seen them all in every game even Everquest II so that doesnt really hurt the game at all. At least world of warcraft had instances and other raid dungeons were teamwork is required and immature players dont usually make it that far unless its a large group of them called a guild, because people dont group with idiots. Id like to see you pvp in dark age of camelot as a priest or healer type I mean really all classes in world of warcraft actually have a chance agianst each other instead of the old rogue>caster,caster>tank crap sometimes winning a battle isnt as simple as clicking a few buttons. People who gripe about world of warcraft are merely a small community of probally stuck up everquest players who didnt try the game or dont even play mmorpgs.

    Yup. OK. The overused argument that "every game has immature people in it" doesn't really work, because WoW is overrun with immature people. It's like an epidemic. There is no other MMO that appeals to immature people as strongly as WoW does, and this is a direct result of the game being designed to be so simple, easily accessible and non-challenging that anyone and their paraplegic cat can play it.

  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360

    Every game does have it's share of 'kiddies'. Does WoW have more then others, I don't know nor do I really care. I enjoy the game and oddly enough have the uber power of ignoring such people, lol.

    I play both Eve and WoW, enjoying both for different reasons. Eve offers more depth, but lacks the immediate action that WoW offers.

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  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by IcoGames
    Every game does have it's share of 'kiddies'. Does WoW have more then others, I don't know nor do I really care.

    I'll clear up your confusion for you. Yes, it does. No question about it.

    And I've tried to hold back on correcting people's spelling lately but the word is "than", not "then". "rediculous" and "rouge" I can handle, but when people can't spell "than", a line has to be drawn.


    Originally posted by IcoGames
    I enjoy the game and oddly enough have the uber power of ignoring such people, lol.

    So do I. Remember I played for seven months? Against all odds I was lucky enough to be able to assemble a guild of intelligent, adult, down-to-earth, non-competition-obsessed people, but the behavior of the majority of the community (because you can't avoid 'em 100% of the time) gave me a hard-to-shake feeling of "Why am I playing a game that's populated mostly by imbeciles?", which eventually became a small part of the reason I quit.


    Originally posted by IcoGames
    I play both Eve and WoW, enjoying both for different reasons. Eve offers more depth, but lacks the immediate action that WoW offers.

    I agree wholeheartedly, and I tentatively hope that Pirates of the Burning Sea will be something of a compromise between the two styles.

  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360

    Lol, that's not too bad for typing up a quick not while running out of the office.

    Agreed Pirates does look cool, but I'm hoping the ditch Valve's Stream.

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  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444


    Originally posted by firemagic

    Originally posted by IcoGames
    Every game does have it's share of 'kiddies'. Does WoW have more then others, I don't know nor do I really care.

    I'll clear up your confusion for you. Yes, it does. No question about it.


    Please provide some proof before spouting such BS. Do you know everyone that plays WoW? No? That's what I thought. I just get a laugh out of everyone that claims their MMO has less immature people then <insert random MMO name here>. The MMO community as a whole is immature. So stop being silly by trying to label one MMO as having more immature players then another.

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  • firemagicfiremagic Member Posts: 878


    Originally posted by Roin
    Originally posted by firemagic
    Originally posted by IcoGames
    Every game does have it's share of 'kiddies'. Does WoW have more then others, I don't know nor do I really care.

    I'll clear up your confusion for you. Yes, it does. No question about it.


    Please provide some proof before spouting such BS. Do you know everyone that plays WoW? No? That's what I thought. I just get a laugh out of everyone that claims their MMO has less immature people then <insert random MMO name here>. The MMO community as a whole is immature. So stop being silly by trying to label one MMO as having more immature players then another.


    Yeah, OK. Keep kidding yourself, my friend. WoW has the worst community in any MMO since the dawn of time and you know it. Tell me which MMO has a more immature and offensive community. I'm all ears.

  • CeticarrCeticarr Member Posts: 236

    I have to agree with firemagic here. The WoW Community was one of the issues why I've left the game. Damn it, everytime I tried to post constructive stuff on the forums I got flamed or got immature BS for an answer.
    Also, I was playin on an European English server and the fact that 50% (yeah, I know that's not true) of the community couldn't speak just A BIT english is very frustrating too.
    For instance, if somebody whispers you some not understandable crap and you try to ask him kindly what he was talking about you get stuff like "f*ck you" or "shut up bitch" as a reply. Lol, these guys can't even construct 1 right sentence but know how to write things like that. image
     
    Oh well, I guess I was just playing on a very bad server, cause I just can't believe that only idiots are playin WoW, but I was too lazy to start over another character on another server again.
     

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  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621

    Back to the original topic:

    THe article was specifically mentions WoW, but it really could have been any MMO. The author just wanted to effect the greatest number of people and get the biggest response from his article, so he used WoW. He could have said the same thing about EQ1 or 2, City of Heores, Horizons and any of the others. It's the same thing.

    As far as the "ganking" issue, I'm torn on that. The Guiding Hand took a lot of time to set that up (a year I think it said?) and must have taken a lot of planning. It also illustrates what an awesome game it must be (I've never played it).

    On the other hand, if I were the victim, I would literally cry, and quit the game all together. I mean think about it, if you were to buy those assets that they stole on IGN it would cost you $16,500 USD. Wow.

  • WOWLagsWOWLags Member Posts: 115
    Nice an objective review.  Most reviews are biased due to indirect and direct benfits given by Blizzard to the reviewers.
  • Edward78Edward78 Member Posts: 245

    The prob. with Eve was when I played, certain things were fusterating you have enormous freadom. WoW on the other hand is so simplafied it takes away freedom, & I expected more from a warcraft game, I played WC1-2 the last expance. Where you could destroy buildinges, I mean there should of been the option for a raid group to take over a town. Atleast they have balls in the UK to say something besides "we like it".

  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443

    yup, that article sums it up nicely, i cant see how anyone isnt embarrassed when playing wow after reading that article tbh.

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  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360

    Agreed, what other game allows you to do such things as mowing the lawn, shopping, and other non-game related tasks while playing? Eve is awesome!

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