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Guild Wars 2: Did PAX Miss The Headline? - MMORPG.com

Guild Wars 2 his always a growing pains over the last seven years. We've seen the first stumbled steps of the Living World franchise and two expansions, to varying degrees of success. This year game director Mike Z stepped out on stage at Pax West to announce the latest major update to ArenaNet's premier MMORPG.

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TheDarkrayne

I don't get their business plan tbh. I don't care one bit about the stuff in the cash shop. Absolutely none of it is needed, which is great. Living story is free if you log in during that episode.. so is GW2 just free for me now forever?

I want more expansions really. I'm happy to pay for them. I only pay for gameplay content in games, not consumables or cosmetics, ever. The QoL features in the cash shop are easily obtained with in game gold as long as you're consistently playing and I have pretty much everything now already.

They need to get their heads sorted, put out another good expansion and stop adding artificial grind to every new cosmetic or feature with each and every living world episode. It's not the way to retain players anymore, it's a way to lead them to the uninstall button. Times have changed.

alkarionlog

TheDarkrayne said:

I don't get their business plan tbh. I don't care one bit about the stuff in the cash shop. Absolutely none of it is needed, which is great. Living story is free if you log in during that episode.. so is GW2 just free for me now forever?



I want more expansions really. I'm happy to pay for them. I only pay for gameplay content in games, not consumables or cosmetics, ever. The QoL features in the cash shop are easily obtained with in game gold as long as you're consistently playing and I have pretty much everything now already.


They need to get their heads sorted, put out another good expansion and stop adding artificial grind to every new cosmetic or feature with each and every living world episode. It's not the way to retain players anymore, it's a way to lead them to the uninstall button. Times have changed.

and you are one of reasons gw2 is a shadow of what it was

TheDarkrayne

alkarionlog said:

TheDarkrayne said:

I don't get their business plan tbh. I don't care one bit about the stuff in the cash shop. Absolutely none of it is needed, which is great. Living story is free if you log in during that episode.. so is GW2 just free for me now forever?



I want more expansions really. I'm happy to pay for them. I only pay for gameplay content in games, not consumables or cosmetics, ever. The QoL features in the cash shop are easily obtained with in game gold as long as you're consistently playing and I have pretty much everything now already.


They need to get their heads sorted, put out another good expansion and stop adding artificial grind to every new cosmetic or feature with each and every living world episode. It's not the way to retain players anymore, it's a way to lead them to the uninstall button. Times have changed.

and you are one of reasons gw2 is a shadow of what it was

Because I don't pay for cash shop junk for no reason? Sure...

Speak sense if you want to contribute.

Aeander

Expansions simply excite me more than living story. The story is an acceptable holdover between expansions, but expansions bring in new elite specializations, new skills, larger concentrations of new skins & rewards. These are the things that hold my interest, and I am happy to pitch in some money when they deliver. Hell, I'm happy to buy expansions for my friends when they deliver.

Valentina

The biggest problem in my opinion is that since they've switched to expansions, the content droughts have been really severe, far more than any other game I play. You get a decent burst of content to play through for a month or two, then you're waiting several months for the follow up living world updates which contain just a story, a map, and some sort of mastery or mount grind but nothing really exciting anymore.

When they were focused primarily on living world and promising no expansions, the content updates were far more frequent, and it was always more exciting to see what would come with that. I think this combined with it being a 6 year old game are why the game is where it is right now. The content is just too infrequent for a game that age to keep people interested long-term.

The cash shop has always been where they made their money outside of game sales, but some of the items in there are really expensive (mount skins) and they've taken to selling chairs for you to sit in which I honestly find really lame, as well as hiding really nice cosmetics under RNG with the black lion chests encouraging people to gamble. Outfits on their own are reasonably priced but more often than not they've been underwhelming or flat out ugly, from the time since launch to today, outfits for the most part didn't start to look good until Path of Fire. They're relying on "whales" at this point with their business practices rather than making sure this model is palatable to the average player, especially since the game is probably best played casually at this point with how infrequent their updates currently are.

bentrim

This game lost me a LONG time ago....simply NOTHING to do end game. Poorly designed from top to bottom. The ONLY thing to look forward to is all cosmetic....no thanks.

BeansnBread

If there is one thing you can rely on, it's that Bcbully will talk about how shitty this game is.

Agent_Kova

I hear Guild Wars 1 is alive and well with some recent updates. Might be time to check that out again. lol

Xiaoki

TheDarkrayne said:

alkarionlog said:

TheDarkrayne said:

I don't get their business plan tbh. I don't care one bit about the stuff in the cash shop. Absolutely none of it is needed, which is great. Living story is free if you log in during that episode.. so is GW2 just free for me now forever?





I want more expansions really. I'm happy to pay for them. I only pay for gameplay content in games, not consumables or cosmetics, ever. The QoL features in the cash shop are easily obtained with in game gold as long as you're consistently playing and I have pretty much everything now already.



They need to get their heads sorted, put out another good expansion and stop adding artificial grind to every new cosmetic or feature with each and every living world episode. It's not the way to retain players anymore, it's a way to lead them to the uninstall button. Times have changed.

and you are one of reasons gw2 is a shadow of what it was

Because I don't pay for cash shop junk for no reason? Sure...

Speak sense if you want to contribute.

What he said is right.

GW2 is not pulling in enough revenue to justify NCsoft paying for the development costs and distribution of another expansion.

GW2 is only makinga couple million more per quarter than NCsoft's worst performing game, Aion. However, Aion is on a skeleton crew that only puts out a major update like every other year but GW2 had several full teams putting out a lot of content regularly.

So, GW2 needs people spending money on the cash shop but they can't go full pay to win and risk losing what players they have.

Maybe they can put out a phone version of GW2 soon to save it.

TheDarkrayne

Xiaoki said:

What he said is right.

GW2 is not pulling in enough revenue to justify NCsoft paying for the development costs and distribution of another expansion.

GW2 is only makinga couple million more per quarter than NCsoft's worst performing game, Aion. However, Aion is on a skeleton crew that only puts out a major update like every other year but GW2 had several full teams putting out a lot of content regularly.

So, GW2 needs people spending money on the cash shop but they can't go full pay to win and risk losing what players they have.

Maybe they can put out a phone version of GW2 soon to save it.

No, it's not right. If they aren't selling what I want then I ain't buying it. Only a complete moron thinks it's their responsibility to fund a game's development as a 'favour' to the game. A sane person looks at what's on offer and decides if it's worth it to them or not. They sell me decent content, I'll buy it. My bank account is ready.

Anyway, that's not what they meant. akarionlog regularly complains about the expansions themselves and where they've taken the design choices for the game. That's what they meant, they didn't want the expansions and what comes with them.

APThug

Pve is okay and all and I do it all the time, but I wished they had more for pvp and wvw. I really like the idea of strike missions but I hope they dont end up being too easy.

Terc182

I love the game and even occasionally purchase some items , honestly though it's definitely getting overly grinder to me. The crafting of legendaries are a bit much at times and that is the only thing that keeps my interest after a few years.

Rockard

No one missed anything.
Unfortunately there wasn't much to start with.
It's a mini LW episode,a prologue to LW season 5 that is now called Saga and who gives a bunny's butt.
That the the new zone will include activities and lore is nothing to report on.
Unless we now should be excited and grateful that we don't get content empty maps.

As a veteran this is my message to the game that I very much care about.

"Dear GW2/Anet-
Please unf**k Fractal instabilities that no one asked of you to f**k in the first place.
Unf**k WvW and PvP combat because it has gotten to the point of memes and elf butts.
Announce that you are working on a new expansion and serious updates for the competitive modes.
And maybe then you can get back my 20 moneys per month.Until then I'd rather buy a pizza or two.
Enough with the kitten."

Lydon

It's a real shame they've added one new profession and no new races since the game released. Living World updates will only get them so far, and my interest (as a massive GW1 and originally GW2 fan) was unfortunately lost long ago.

alkarionlog

feh again, the main problem, its a MMO who they want to focus on story, first problem, when living story was monthly or a part each 2 weeks we had people doing other events, we could mess with builds and do what we wanted, then some people started to cry for a expansion, ncsoft and arena net saw a way to get extra money with same or less work, so then they withold all living story updates for more then 6 months then launched the first expansion, but before that they started to cut skills, since "balancing then" was hard they forced meta builds and forced paths, most of time I hardly used elite skills since the journeyman and begginer was better with made builds interesting and was interesting to play, plus we had the pvp peeps, one for sieges and other for arena.

they pushed for e sports, failed, then forced builds, failed again, then failed on expansions, all of this started to make old players leave, try a GW3 and never do the same mistakes then maybe I will take a look again

andersales

What about new dungeons? I would like to see it!

Reverielle

I think it was the 'more of the same' take home message from ArenaNet's recent announcement that has left many with a 'meh' feeling, and subsequent lack of interest/memory about it. ArenaNet even actually voiced such concerned themselves (seen at the Seattle event), worrying how it would be received being just a prologue to a saga rather than a future expansion reveal. I think that speaks volumes in and of itself.

GW2, I think, has had two of the better expansions in MMO history. I do hope they decide upon a third at some point. Living World Episodes are nice, and I'm excited to head north to immerse in norn/charr lore, but expansions - as others have said above - do bring a lot more to the table in one hit.

Alders

I want:

• New Expansions
• New Races
• New Classes
• New Weapons
• New Game Systems
• New Dungeons
• New Meta Events
• New Masteries
• New Mounts and Quests to Unlock Them

I don't want:

• Living Story

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Tekaelon

They destroyed the lore and world with gw2. No

laxie

The Living World is a tricky business model. If you added up all the LW maps since release, it's probably 2-3 expansions worth of content that isn't monetised. There are no subscription fees either, so the whole thing entirely relies on microtransactions. The cash shop is largely cosmetic, so your regular Joe doesn't have to spend much at all.

As much as I hate Season Passes, it might have been a better model. You could have added more content into the 2 expansions (dungeons, raids), make them less reliant on the LW, and have the LW updates be a $30 season pass that gets the company to the next expansion.

The current model conveys the wrong perception imo. You pay for an expansion, you judge it on release day, it has stuff missing, and then you get access to a fair amount of content you didn't "directly" pay for. GW2 is one of my favourite games, but they've always been too generous. It has been 2 years since the expansion, I'd be happy to pay again if there was content to pay for.

Aeander

alkarionlog said:

TheDarkrayne said:

I don't get their business plan tbh. I don't care one bit about the stuff in the cash shop. Absolutely none of it is needed, which is great. Living story is free if you log in during that episode.. so is GW2 just free for me now forever?



I want more expansions really. I'm happy to pay for them. I only pay for gameplay content in games, not consumables or cosmetics, ever. The QoL features in the cash shop are easily obtained with in game gold as long as you're consistently playing and I have pretty much everything now already.


They need to get their heads sorted, put out another good expansion and stop adding artificial grind to every new cosmetic or feature with each and every living world episode. It's not the way to retain players anymore, it's a way to lead them to the uninstall button. Times have changed.

and you are one of reasons gw2 is a shadow of what it was

Which was a shadow of what GW1 was, and you are likely one of the reasons for that.

alkarionlog

Aeander said:

alkarionlog said:

TheDarkrayne said:

I don't get their business plan tbh. I don't care one bit about the stuff in the cash shop. Absolutely none of it is needed, which is great. Living story is free if you log in during that episode.. so is GW2 just free for me now forever?



I want more expansions really. I'm happy to pay for them. I only pay for gameplay content in games, not consumables or cosmetics, ever. The QoL features in the cash shop are easily obtained with in game gold as long as you're consistently playing and I have pretty much everything now already.


They need to get their heads sorted, put out another good expansion and stop adding artificial grind to every new cosmetic or feature with each and every living world episode. It's not the way to retain players anymore, it's a way to lead them to the uninstall button. Times have changed.

and you are one of reasons gw2 is a shadow of what it was

Which was a shadow of what GW1 was, and you are likely one of the reasons for that.

its not me who still play the game kid, when it stop being what it was I jump

LeCreaux

I stopped playing when they started pushing the latest social justice warrior agenda. The last thing I want in my game time is political indoctrination.

Aeander

LeCreaux said:

I stopped playing when they started pushing the latest social justice warrior agenda. The last thing I want in my game time is political indoctrination.

You mean from the beginning?

Anyway, the game and community are better off without you.