It is. Mobile gaming and F2P titles is where the biggest whales are. No surprise there because of the low entry barrier and gigantic market.
Why would any business be concerned that people apreciate their work and buy their stuff? They should be worried if they didin't lol
Do you worry about people spending thousands on Elite? Do you worry if they buy stocks from the company? Did you worried when Tencent bought 10% of Frontier? Do you worry about introduction of the ARX virtual currency?
Like usual the haters concern is more about Star Citizen continuous sucess and having egg on their faces than anything else.
The reason I am concerned about Star Citizen? Because 3 years ago I tried the alpha, and was getting framerates of 3-4. It was so bad it took me about 30 minutes to get out of the hangar. Then the framerates were a LITTLE better, but still very low for a flight sim. About a year later, playing on a significantly upgraded machine (very game worthy at the time, and still pretty good), I was getting framerates of 5-6 in the hangar, so I quit and uninstalled. I did not even bother with the latest alpha, since I have not upgraded my computer. If they start lauding how they have significantly improved framerates, I may try it again.
Check your settings and compare what you should get. These fps rates are live rates, what players have. These are not theoretical values. I suggest using an SSD - makes a HUGE difference.
Very badly made scam when they use the money to pay up to 500 developers in 4 studios worldwide and let us play every day in an ever improving Star Citizen universe. Developers you can meet and talk to. Studios you can visit. And if you cannot do that yourself, many journalists have done that for you.
Oh please many especially crowdfunded titles around are far more aggressive as far how they collect money and you don't really see outlets like BBC's and Forbes on their backyard about it. Is SC really the devil? Or is this heavily sensationalism?
Which ones would they be then Max?
Saying that a company pushing $5 items compares to a company pushing $50-$3000 items is just delusional. Get you out of cuckoo land.
There's been plenty of articles about the pervasiveness of MTX so trying to claim everyone is out to get SC is bullshit. A perfunctory google search for "gaming microtransactions" would educate you on this. But carry on playing the victim if that makes you feel better.
The second part of your post is the fun part, because as we see the games that make huge amounts of money come from smaller priced items that are frequently bought and not from hugely priced items (aka SC big ships), but that doesn't get that much attention because it's not a shiny big number, what is exactly the point I'm trying to make.
You can't claim that while also cheering at SC being the highest "crowdfunded" game ever as well as being the most expensive game ever...
If a company decides to sell in game assets for $1000+ they are going to be faced with additional scrutiny. It would be the same for anything that prices itself well outside the norm.
..... 5$ lootboxes are easily hugely more profitable than a 500$ virtual item, with the gambling factor added and the fact lower entry fees that result on more frequent purchases generate more revenue and make more likely those who can afford less to actually spend as well. But yeah yeah I know SC is the devil and the problem blah blah
You just prove my point, the attention is generally brought by shiny numbers, that is exactly repeating myself I would bet if SC didn't publish its funding counter we would only get a fraction of the coverage it did get.
..... 5$ lootboxes are easily hugely more profitable than a 500$ virtual item, you don't seem to realize that (I mean you likely do but this is a SC topic so...), with the gambling factor added and the fact lower entry fees that result on more frequent purchases generate more revenue and make more likely those who can afford less to actually spend as well. But yeah yeah I know SC is the devil and the problem blah blah
You just prove my point, the attention is generally brought by shiny numbers, that is exactly repeating myself I would bet if SC didn't publish its funding counter we would only get a fraction of the coverage it did get.
The context is completely different here, that is what you don't seem to realise.
Games
that have released are a completely different kettle of fish than one
which has received the most funding ever but remains years away from a
fully featured state.
The numbers are important because of that, trying to wave them away as though they are irrelevant is just ignoring the most important issue central to this topic.
Your whataboutisms are totally irrelevant and I dare say you know that.
The reason I am concerned about Star Citizen? Because 3 years ago I tried the alpha, and was getting framerates of 3-4. It was so bad it took me about 30 minutes to get out of the hangar. Then the framerates were a LITTLE better, but still very low for a flight sim. About a year later, playing on a significantly upgraded machine (very game worthy at the time, and still pretty good), I was getting framerates of 5-6 in the hangar, so I quit and uninstalled. I did not even bother with the latest alpha, since I have not upgraded my computer. If they start lauding how they have significantly improved framerates, I may try it again.
Check your settings and compare what you should get. These fps rates are live rates, what players have. These are not theoretical values. I suggest using an SSD - makes a HUGE difference.
Have fun
i7-6700 32GB RAM 1TB SSD (game loads and plays on SSD) Radeon RX-480 8GB video card. Win10 of course. At that time Verizon FIOS 100/100 internet. I should have been getting good framerates, in the 40s at least at 1080p, but I was getting 5-6. If you have a good explanation why (I was just using the preset graphics) I would love to hear what I am doing wrong. I cut my gaming teeth on flight sims, and would love to at least give the game a try.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
i7-6700 32GB RAM 1TB SSD (game loads and plays on SSD) Radeon RX-480 8GB video card. Win10 of course. At that time Verizon FIOS 100/100 internet. I should have been getting good framerates, in the 40s at least at 1080p, but I was getting 5-6. If you have a good explanation why (I was just using the preset graphics) I would love to hear what I am doing wrong. I cut my gaming teeth on flight sims, and would love to at least give the game a try.
Keep in mind that you WILL get poor performance in the most populated areas - because clients rely on the server for updates - and since SSOCS isn't implemented yet, the game can't cull irrelevant areas for optimal server performance.
Given the currently ongoing EXPO - that means Area 18 will be MUCH slower in terms of performance than it would normally be, because the server needs to update everything in Stanton (most expensive being AI, probably) at the same time as it's updating 50 players in the same area.
If you want a reasonable estimate of how the game might perform under normal circumstances - you need to fly to a less popular area, like Port Olisar or GrimHex.
Very badly made scam when they use the money to pay up to 500 developers in 4 studios worldwide and let us play every day in an ever improving Star Citizen universe. Developers you can meet and talk to. Studios you can visit. And if you cannot do that yourself, many journalists have done that for you.
Have fun
I hope I'm wrong and the game ends up being fantastic but a good scam can and should do what you described. The 500 employees in 4 countries bit seems like a cover IMO cause certain people see "500 employees" and automatically think they're legit. Bernie Madoff had lots of employees too if you remember that guy. Being able to play a demo does not guarantee that the company will not keep the game in never-ending development just like Crowfall. For a game that makes 9mil a month selling ideas and concept art why would they ever release? There is no regulatory agency for games so they could keep SC in development til 2030 or beyond. When you ask Crowfall for a refund they tell you essentially to go fk yourself by suggesting you resell your account to someone else then in a nice tone thank you for your support of their project. They behave like that because there is no oversight. SC supporters seem to be wealthier but I doubt even they'll want to go to court and pay legal fees that will likely surpass whatever amount they "gave" to the game.
We should revisit this topic again in 5 years when they'll still be selling ships for hundreds of dollars and claiming the game still needs more development time. By then I'm sure a whale will surpass the 1mil spent on the game mark so we can discuss that as well.
Sadly, I have to second what Slylok said, and this isn't the only game that has made SO much money in early alpha, with the promotions, the 'founder sales', and the kickstarter nonsense. Why bother release a game at all when you're going to get fabulously wealthy just promoting it forever? It's the American dream...
Sadly, I have to second what Slylok said, and this isn't the only game that has made SO much money in early alpha, with the promotions, the 'founder sales', and the kickstarter nonsense. Why bother release a game at all when you're going to get fabulously wealthy just promoting it forever? It's the American dream...
Aaaaaand .... another 1 post wonder created yesterday.
Sadly, I have to second what Slylok said, and this isn't the only game that has made SO much money in early alpha, with the promotions, the 'founder sales', and the kickstarter nonsense. Why bother release a game at all when you're going to get fabulously wealthy just promoting it forever? It's the American dream...
Aaaaaand .... another 1 post wonder created yesterday.
I think I see a trend here ;-)
Have fun
I have a lot of posts.
Why bother release a game at all when you're going to get fabulously wealthy just promoting it forever? It's the American dream...
lol @ anyone giving money to this scam. This game is nothing more than a crow funding scam.
Says the 1 post wonder created today.
Star Citizen will be ready when its ready. And it will take as much time as needed.
Lets see what "Click" has to add to the already existing significant amount of knowledge about the project.
Have fun
Why do people have to post more then once or defend there views from people online? I am confused by your one post wonder nonsense
I mean most of these people have talked before about there problems with Star Citizen.
Oh this forum has a long history of rando fresh accs created just to trashtalk SC here, not any biggie there when it's not the same old banned user creating new accs because of an obsession with SC.
Why do we keep having these threads? It's literally copy and paste from EVERY other thread about SC. Whatever camp you are in, you are there and aren't changing sides. What's the point of this same old "discussion" every time?
Why do we keep having these threads? It's literally copy and paste from EVERY other thread about SC. Whatever camp you are in, you are there and aren't changing sides. What's the point of this same old "discussion" every time?
You just don't understand scripted response development.
Even if you are a die hard supporter of the game you can't tell me that CIG hasn't made a lot of bad calls and poor projections for when the project should be finished. When you constantly see missed deadlines and revision of tech that tends to point to poor project management and that in turn can very easily burn money you didn't need to burn.
I honestly don't think SC is a scam, from my experience with game dev little as it is I can honestly see a real attempt to create a product, and I'm fairly certain CIG will eventually release a game and it'll be fairly impressive if not less feature rich than they hoped.
However there is no question that CIG have spent time and money they did not need to by making poor decisions and chasing cool ideas rather than concrete goals.
Why do we keep having these threads? It's literally copy and paste from EVERY other thread about SC. Whatever camp you are in, you are there and aren't changing sides. What's the point of this same old "discussion" every time?
Because trolls like trolling and haters like hating, that attracts fans as well who like countering them, and it keeps going on like that in a copy/paste circle, such is this forum in a nutshell.
Ofc a vast generalization just hitting at the core of what drives this place and why it is stalled on the copy-pasting of the same thing in every thread.
It has kept Star Citizen in this site's frontpage every single day for many years now making them CIG's biggest marketing effort never needing to have paid for promoted features and ads here to have their game being the talk of the site :P
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Why would any business be concerned that people apreciate their work and buy their stuff? They should be worried if they didin't lol
Do you worry about people spending thousands on Elite? Do you worry if they buy stocks from the company? Did you worried when Tencent bought 10% of Frontier? Do you worry about introduction of the ARX virtual currency?
Like usual the haters concern is more about Star Citizen continuous sucess and having egg on their faces than anything else.
They have. You'd still need an SSD and 16gigs Ram though.
You just prove my point, the attention is generally brought by shiny numbers, that is exactly repeating myself I would bet if SC didn't publish its funding counter we would only get a fraction of the coverage it did get.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
Given the currently ongoing EXPO - that means Area 18 will be MUCH slower in terms of performance than it would normally be, because the server needs to update everything in Stanton (most expensive being AI, probably) at the same time as it's updating 50 players in the same area.
If you want a reasonable estimate of how the game might perform under normal circumstances - you need to fly to a less popular area, like Port Olisar or GrimHex.
Being able to play a demo does not guarantee that the company will not keep the game in never-ending development just like Crowfall. For a game that makes 9mil a month selling ideas and concept art why would they ever release? There is no regulatory agency for games so they could keep SC in development til 2030 or beyond. When you ask Crowfall for a refund they tell you essentially to go fk yourself by suggesting you resell your account to someone else then in a nice tone thank you for your support of their project. They behave like that because there is no oversight. SC supporters seem to be wealthier but I doubt even they'll want to go to court and pay legal fees that will likely surpass whatever amount they "gave" to the game.
We should revisit this topic again in 5 years when they'll still be selling ships for hundreds of dollars and claiming the game still needs more development time. By then I'm sure a whale will surpass the 1mil spent on the game mark so we can discuss that as well.
In 2016 they said it would be released in 2017.
In 2017 they said it would be released in 2018.
In 2018 they said it would be released in 2019.
It now 2019 and they are saying it will be released in 2020.
lol @ anyone giving money to this scam. This game is nothing more than a crow funding scam.
Why bother release a game at all when you're going to get fabulously wealthy just promoting it forever? It's the American dream...
I honestly don't think SC is a scam, from my experience with game dev little as it is I can honestly see a real attempt to create a product, and I'm fairly certain CIG will eventually release a game and it'll be fairly impressive if not less feature rich than they hoped.
However there is no question that CIG have spent time and money they did not need to by making poor decisions and chasing cool ideas rather than concrete goals.
Will be interesting to see what Click finds.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Ofc a vast generalization just hitting at the core of what drives this place and why it is stalled on the copy-pasting of the same thing in every thread.
It has kept Star Citizen in this site's frontpage every single day for many years now making them CIG's biggest marketing effort never needing to have paid for promoted features and ads here to have their game being the talk of the site :P