Some players might be leaving but in general the population is increasing. Blizzard just opened up 5 new servers for a reason. And the medium population server I am on is now a high pop server because of more incoming players. It is still a good game, especially the battlegrounds but content is coming in very slowly.
You know your going to piss people off when you try and bring a big name game down, so this probally really isnt even about a simple question. If you find WoW boring great thats ok but dont make others who havnt tried the game yet belive that its crap or its going to die. World of warcraft is constantly adding new raid instances and dungeons. Same goes for Everquest II now you either play a quality game or you dont its thats simple. Dont go onto forums and go oh gee I dont know I think that game sucks and its losing people.
I also left WOW a while back ... Before the Battlegrounds. This was mainly due to the PVP patch they put in. A lot of what has been said in this forum is true. WOW is a good game but gets rather old and borring after a while, but then that can be said for any game.
I have even heard rumors of guilds from both sides that will get into a PVP fight and not fight back so that the others can get the good equipment then the next day return the favour. Now how right is that?
The sad thing is that for all of WOW's potential it is mired in the camping, community and a too quick to obtain level cap.
Originally posted by enemymind No bodys leaving the game why would they? Its the best mmorpg on the market as it stands. One guild leaving isnt that big a deal, why dont you play it and find out for yourself?
I can say this for a fact is wrong.
I myself have left and before I did several close friends left. In addition to that several large guilds folded because of players quitting. Why? For my part I can say the end game is junk. MC and Ox are bore feasts. The BGs ruined PvP and why bother unless you play 24/7 in the BGs (as if you could get in that often) because of the "ladder" level system.
The game is far from perfect.
Right now Blizzard does have a very popular game and because of that they think they can just do what they like, much like Verant did in the early EQ1 days. Well, we'll see how it works out for them. Game was fun till the end game and when more people reach that they'll see for themselves.
My server seems to have kept a sizeable core of players. What I notice is that there are many higher lvl players and very few low lvl players. When I first came on in December it was just the opposite. Players in their 50s or 60s were rare. Even players with mounts were far fewer than today.
As far as total population I think it has thinned out some, but there remains a sizeable core element that has stuck around. The question is how much longer will they stick around now that they are reaching max lvl. Does WoW have what it takes to keep them all playing? I don't know. Right now I am at lvl 54. I am still enjoying the game but I can't say how long I'll be playing after I max out my character.
I will say it has been a great ride for me so far. Among the best gaming experiences I have ever had, and my first ever MMO.
Originally posted by firemagic Before I finally left after seven months, I noticed that populations were rising, but most of the people I'd got to know in the game had left or were planning to leave soon. This can be attributed to what I call the "McDonalds effect". The place is always full, but no-one really hangs around for long except the fat people. The PvP system killed WoW's potential. If they'd implemented a system that involved actual skill (ie - your win/lose percentage actually meant something), people would have a reason to improve their characters and get items other than the vacuous "who is the most 1337" competition.
The McDonalds effect...
Thats a good one !!!
WoW is fun for 3 months, then its time to quit. I dont think pops would be dropping, just chainging out.
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PLEASE SOE MAKE A CLASSIC EQ SERVER. Shadow of luclin was a prick in EQs side. PoP Was a gun to the face.
hmm from 100 players in my guild 3 have quit 1 was bored .the second didn't have time to play due to work and the 3rd one ran out of $ to pay his account i don't see ppl leaving on the european servers ..of corse some are missing their "old" mmos ... id love to come back to Anarchy online ...or swg ( 3 more days till new cc is out )
I've read the entire thread and all I see are personal opinions and experience.
"ALL my guild left". "All my guild is still playing". My server this, that.
No one has posted census numbers that can give a REAL idea of population growth or decline.
It may SEEM like there are more players, or less.
That's like saying, "I seem to be doing less damage".
There is a lot of urban mythery where this game is concerned.
"WoW is mostly first time mmorpgers". "WoW is mostly played by ex diablo, warcraft players." "WoW is only a huge success due to the hype". "WoW is mostly played by casual gamers."
Can anyone claim they have spoke to the majority of the 3.5 million players, to find this info out? Most people speak out there limited experience, 1 server, 1 or 2 guilds, tiny friends base.
Are the above statemnets true? Is WoW still growing in Countries where it has been released for 6 months or more?
Post some facts, or don't bother posting at all. We don't need more, this game is good/crap because...
Originally posted by Finduilas I've read the entire thread and all I see are personal opinions and experience. "ALL my guild left". "All my guild is still playing". My server this, that. No one has posted census numbers that can give a REAL idea of population growth or decline. It may SEEM like there are more players, or less. That's like saying, "I seem to be doing less damage". There is a lot of urban mythery where this game is concerned. "WoW is mostly first time mmorpgers". "WoW is mostly played by ex diablo, warcraft players." "WoW is only a huge success due to the hype". "WoW is mostly played by casual gamers." Can anyone claim they have spoke to the majority of the 3.5 million players, to find this info out? Most people speak out there limited experience, 1 server, 1 or 2 guilds, tiny friends base. Are the above statemnets true? Is WoW still growing in Countries where it has been released for 6 months or more? Post some facts, or don't bother posting at all. We don't need more, this game is good/crap because...
Isn't this a forum? This is where people post their opinions and collectively discuss things in an open environment. I didn't realize we needed your permission to post our thoughts. I'll check with you next time before I write another.
I have noticed tons (20) of my friends list leave since the end of February. I recently had a few friends leave due to having to change their name. The GMs in our server speak English as a second language so it is very difficult for them to actually know what is pronouncable or not. I know of one instance where they banned a word in the dictionary (not obscene). Hehe. I wonder what country the GMs are outsourced too?
This is a very standard cycle in MMOGs. It doesn't mean a game is falling apart or the population is being crushed. There is standard churn in these games, and there is also a standard fast decay time. What you will see in these games, especially a game like WoW, is a lot of curiousity seekers. A lot of these will drop off because WoW isn't Warcraft or Starcraft. However, you will also see a lot of new players coming into the game. Obviously these new players won't be on your guild lists or friends list... Because well... They are new.
This is also the typical time frame for people to start screaming about how <insert game here> is killing itself because <insert department here> doesn't know what they are doing, and *everybody* is leaving because <insert department here> isn't talking to anyone. Standard issue Black Helicopter Interweb theory.
Originally posted by spydermr2 I think WoW is going to be fine... for about a year. My prediction is that that massive start-up base signs on more or less immediately or within a few months. You get a few months of play, they come to their own conclusions... and my prediction is that you'll see a very sizeable drop in the number of subscriptions by this time next year. I would rather have EQ1's consistent 400,000-500,000 subscriber base for 6 years than a million subscribers for one year and then plummet to nothing thereafter (don't think it'll drop that far, but I would be utterly shocked to see a number in the U.S. over a few hundred thousand by then). Don't know that's going to happen, any more than anyone else can say it won't -- the future is just that, the future, and an unknown as far as certainty goes. The rest is just opinion. And that's mine. And, folks? The game's a success. Even if it fell to 200,000 consistent subscribers, it would still be a success, just like those games that live in that area or have more than that.
Just a couple comments. I started playing EQ the day it went live, and of all the RL friends I had, I was the only one who stuck around until OOW. Many people I know saw the game for what it was - kill snakes, level, kill orcs, level, kill desert madmen, level, etc and didn't stick around past a couple months, but as you pointed out EQ still had a consistent player population.
With that in mind, I find it really comical that people would talk about playing WoW for a few months and then becoming bored and quitting - and then using EQ as an example as if it somehow had no player turnover or this super deep gameplay that stopped you from becoming bored once you hit max level. EQ had a LOT less things to do when you hit max level except camp mobs all day for loot, but the die hard players stuck around nonetheless.
WoW is much the same way. Some people buy it and enjoy the gameplay but once they hit L60 they don't enjoy raiding or don't like PvP, whatever - and they quit. Other players find they enjoy taking on the big raid encounters (Onyxia, Ragnaros, etc) and stick around. This is just how it goes with MMO's.
Originally posted by Finduilas I've read the entire thread and all I see are personal opinions and experience. "ALL my guild left". "All my guild is still playing". My server this, that. No one has posted census numbers that can give a REAL idea of population growth or decline. It may SEEM like there are more players, or less. That's like saying, "I seem to be doing less damage". There is a lot of urban mythery where this game is concerned. "WoW is mostly first time mmorpgers". "WoW is mostly played by ex diablo, warcraft players." "WoW is only a huge success due to the hype". "WoW is mostly played by casual gamers." Can anyone claim they have spoke to the majority of the 3.5 million players, to find this info out? Most people speak out there limited experience, 1 server, 1 or 2 guilds, tiny friends base. Are the above statemnets true? Is WoW still growing in Countries where it has been released for 6 months or more? Post some facts, or don't bother posting at all. We don't need more, this game is good/crap because...
Isn't this a forum? This is where people post their opinions and collectively discuss things in an open environment. I didn't realize we needed your permission to post our thoughts. I'll check with you next time before I write another.
Point out where I said you needed permission.
I posted my observations.
I assume you take issue with: Post some facts, or don't bother posting at all. We don't need more, this game is good/crap because...
How many threads do we need saying, "WoW is growing cos it's great",or "WoW is declining cos it's crap"
And how many posts do we need where people complain about the complainers?
I responded to the OP, and answered him. You didn't.
Originally posted by enemymind No bodys leaving the game why would they? Its the best mmorpg on the market as it stands. One guild leaving isnt that big a deal, why dont you play it and find out for yourself?
I can say this for a fact is wrong.
I myself have left and before I did several close friends left. In addition to that several large guilds folded because of players quitting. Why? For my part I can say the end game is junk. MC and Ox are bore feasts. The BGs ruined PvP and why bother unless you play 24/7 in the BGs (as if you could get in that often) because of the "ladder" level system.
The game is far from perfect.
Right now Blizzard does have a very popular game and because of that they think they can just do what they like, much like Verant did in the early EQ1 days. Well, we'll see how it works out for them. Game was fun till the end game and when more people reach that they'll see for themselves.
No MMO is ever going to be perfect. As I said in a previous post, all MMO's have a common subscriber cycle. People buy the game and either get into it or it doesn't appeal to them at all and they quit soon after. The people who stick around for a while will ultimately end up getting to the "end game content" (raids, multi group encounters, quests that take days or weeks to complete) and they either find that its a challenge that they enjoy and they stick around or they find this boring and quit or roll up new characters.
That being said, WoW has the advantage of having a bit more replayability than other MMORPG's I've played. A big part of the game is the questing and storyline, and many people will probably find it fun to play the game from 1 to 60 from both the alliance and horde persective. I have a 60 paladin and recently my wife and I (plus a bunch of people from our former EQ guild) decided to roll up Horde characters on one of the new servers (Moonrunner). All of us are having a lot of fun playing as the Horde for a change, and yet I also enjoy raiding with my Paladin.
So in a nutshell, all games have this cycle. The fact that you and your friends quit doesn't indicate anything about the state of the game or where it will be 1 or 5 years from now because its been the same for basically every previous MMORPG out there (some people quit, some people stick around).
I do not play WoW, but I can tell you the population does suffer loss its just that the amount of new players joining or coming back from leaving out way the number of players currently leaving. So this keeps the population up and increases at the same time. In short your not really going to see a noticable change in WoW population negative wise. Your only going to see the positive change in its population. Like all mmo's though WoW will not stay on top forever it to will one day fall down the ladder and lose a large chunk of its population. Chances are good though when this does happen like everquest, WoW will still be around for a long time to come even if its no long number 1.
The prob. with WoW is it is so carebear, with sucky PvP. Which would be fine for a freaken Pokemon MMORPG, but this is a warcraft game, how about some war blizzard!!!
Originally posted by Maxcorps This should finish this topic. Or at least make it more meaningfull. www.mmorpgchart.com All the data you need.
All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.
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Originally posted by Edward78 The prob. with WoW is it is so carebear, with sucky PvP. Which would be fine for a freaken Pokemon MMORPG, but this is a warcraft game, how about some war blizzard!!!
How sucky is it? As sucky as your ability to write a coherent post?
Seriously tho - what is so bad about WoW's PvP? And how is it Carebear? There *are* PVP servers.
Originally posted by Maxcorps This should finish this topic. Or at least make it more meaningfull. www.mmorpgchart.com All the data you need.
All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.
Some of the data there is taken from official announcements, such as the press released by Blizzard. Obviously if you are an extreme skeptic, you could just come to the conclusion that everyone is lying and fudging numbers.
Originally posted by Aildrik Originally posted by Edward78 The prob. with WoW is it is so carebear, with sucky PvP. Which would be fine for a freaken Pokemon MMORPG, but this is a warcraft game, how about some war blizzard!!! How sucky is it? As sucky as your ability to write a coherent post? Seriously tho - what is so bad about WoW's PvP? And how is it Carebear? There *are* PVP servers.
Skrew you, anyway WoW PvP is a tennis game. You get nothing for killing accept Honor points now which allow you to buy more stuf. Give us lootable bodies blizzard, make it possible for a raid group to take over a town.
Originally posted by Maxcorps This should finish this topic. Or at least make it more meaningfull. www.mmorpgchart.com All the data you need.
All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.
Some of the data there is taken from official announcements, such as the press released by Blizzard. Obviously if you are an extreme skeptic, you could just come to the conclusion that everyone is lying and fudging numbers.
and.. even then we must come to the conclusion that Companies would lie more or less in the same way, and the data is more or less good.
Each game is rated in confidence rating from "A" to "D". Not all that data is speculation, most of it comes to either press releases, company sources or even internal informants. Only games classified as "D" are just a guessestimate based on server load and other factors. All in all it pretty much has the "accepted" datas for most games out there plus it has been out long enough to not be related nor influenced by any single game nor company.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
WTF are you talking about? Earthen Ring went from a Medium Server to a High Server in 2 months. Arthas which had about 5 minutes queue are now up to 15-20 minute queues.
I think you're on a Low Pop server or a new server that no one plays on, cause way too many people still keep joining this game.
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Some players might be leaving but in general the population is increasing. Blizzard just opened up 5 new servers for a reason. And the medium population server I am on is now a high pop server because of more incoming players. It is still a good game, especially the battlegrounds but content is coming in very slowly.
You know your going to piss people off when you try and bring a big name game down, so this probally really isnt even about a simple question. If you find WoW boring great thats ok but dont make others who havnt tried the game yet belive that its crap or its going to die. World of warcraft is constantly adding new raid instances and dungeons. Same goes for Everquest II now you either play a quality game or you dont its thats simple. Dont go onto forums and go oh gee I dont know I think that game sucks and its losing people.
I also left WOW a while back ... Before the Battlegrounds. This was mainly due to the PVP patch they put in. A lot of what has been said in this forum is true. WOW is a good game but gets rather old and borring after a while, but then that can be said for any game.
I have even heard rumors of guilds from both sides that will get into a PVP fight and not fight back so that the others can get the good equipment then the next day return the favour. Now how right is that?
The sad thing is that for all of WOW's potential it is mired in the camping, community and a too quick to obtain level cap.
I can say this for a fact is wrong.
I myself have left and before I did several close friends left. In addition to that several large guilds folded because of players quitting. Why? For my part I can say the end game is junk. MC and Ox are bore feasts. The BGs ruined PvP and why bother unless you play 24/7 in the BGs (as if you could get in that often) because of the "ladder" level system.
The game is far from perfect.
Right now Blizzard does have a very popular game and because of that they think they can just do what they like, much like Verant did in the early EQ1 days. Well, we'll see how it works out for them. Game was fun till the end game and when more people reach that they'll see for themselves.
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Lineage2 is seeing a huge influx of players as of late. Most that I speak to are coming from WoW.
www.lineage2.com check it out... awesome game.
My server seems to have kept a sizeable core of players. What I notice is that there are many higher lvl players and very few low lvl players. When I first came on in December it was just the opposite. Players in their 50s or 60s were rare. Even players with mounts were far fewer than today.
As far as total population I think it has thinned out some, but there remains a sizeable core element that has stuck around. The question is how much longer will they stick around now that they are reaching max lvl. Does WoW have what it takes to keep them all playing? I don't know. Right now I am at lvl 54. I am still enjoying the game but I can't say how long I'll be playing after I max out my character.
I will say it has been a great ride for me so far. Among the best gaming experiences I have ever had, and my first ever MMO.
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-- Nytur 39 Conjuror of Lucan D'lere (Quit due to low populations)
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PLEASE SOE MAKE A CLASSIC EQ SERVER. Shadow of luclin was a prick in EQs side. PoP Was a gun to the face.
I've read the entire thread and all I see are personal opinions and experience.
"ALL my guild left". "All my guild is still playing". My server this, that.
No one has posted census numbers that can give a REAL idea of population growth or decline.
It may SEEM like there are more players, or less.
That's like saying, "I seem to be doing less damage".
There is a lot of urban mythery where this game is concerned.
"WoW is mostly first time mmorpgers". "WoW is mostly played by ex diablo, warcraft players." "WoW is only a huge success due to the hype". "WoW is mostly played by casual gamers."
Can anyone claim they have spoke to the majority of the 3.5 million players, to find this info out? Most people speak out there limited experience, 1 server, 1 or 2 guilds, tiny friends base.
Are the above statemnets true? Is WoW still growing in Countries where it has been released for 6 months or more?
Post some facts, or don't bother posting at all. We don't need more, this game is good/crap because...
Isn't this a forum? This is where people post their opinions and collectively discuss things in an open environment. I didn't realize we needed your permission to post our thoughts. I'll check with you next time before I write another.
The GMs are actually in California.
This is a very standard cycle in MMOGs. It doesn't mean a game is falling apart or the population is being crushed. There is standard churn in these games, and there is also a standard fast decay time. What you will see in these games, especially a game like WoW, is a lot of curiousity seekers. A lot of these will drop off because WoW isn't Warcraft or Starcraft. However, you will also see a lot of new players coming into the game. Obviously these new players won't be on your guild lists or friends list... Because well... They are new.
This is also the typical time frame for people to start screaming about how <insert game here> is killing itself because <insert department here> doesn't know what they are doing, and *everybody* is leaving because <insert department here> isn't talking to anyone. Standard issue Black Helicopter Interweb theory.
WoW is fine.
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Just a couple comments. I started playing EQ the day it went live, and of all the RL friends I had, I was the only one who stuck around until OOW. Many people I know saw the game for what it was - kill snakes, level, kill orcs, level, kill desert madmen, level, etc and didn't stick around past a couple months, but as you pointed out EQ still had a consistent player population.
With that in mind, I find it really comical that people would talk about playing WoW for a few months and then becoming bored and quitting - and then using EQ as an example as if it somehow had no player turnover or this super deep gameplay that stopped you from becoming bored once you hit max level. EQ had a LOT less things to do when you hit max level except camp mobs all day for loot, but the die hard players stuck around nonetheless.
WoW is much the same way. Some people buy it and enjoy the gameplay but once they hit L60 they don't enjoy raiding or don't like PvP, whatever - and they quit. Other players find they enjoy taking on the big raid encounters (Onyxia, Ragnaros, etc) and stick around. This is just how it goes with MMO's.
Isn't this a forum? This is where people post their opinions and collectively discuss things in an open environment. I didn't realize we needed your permission to post our thoughts. I'll check with you next time before I write another.
Point out where I said you needed permission.
I posted my observations.
I assume you take issue with: Post some facts, or don't bother posting at all. We don't need more, this game is good/crap because...
How many threads do we need saying, "WoW is growing cos it's great",or "WoW is declining cos it's crap"
And how many posts do we need where people complain about the complainers?
I responded to the OP, and answered him. You didn't.
I can say this for a fact is wrong.
I myself have left and before I did several close friends left. In addition to that several large guilds folded because of players quitting. Why? For my part I can say the end game is junk. MC and Ox are bore feasts. The BGs ruined PvP and why bother unless you play 24/7 in the BGs (as if you could get in that often) because of the "ladder" level system.
The game is far from perfect.
Right now Blizzard does have a very popular game and because of that they think they can just do what they like, much like Verant did in the early EQ1 days. Well, we'll see how it works out for them. Game was fun till the end game and when more people reach that they'll see for themselves.
No MMO is ever going to be perfect. As I said in a previous post, all MMO's have a common subscriber cycle. People buy the game and either get into it or it doesn't appeal to them at all and they quit soon after. The people who stick around for a while will ultimately end up getting to the "end game content" (raids, multi group encounters, quests that take days or weeks to complete) and they either find that its a challenge that they enjoy and they stick around or they find this boring and quit or roll up new characters.
That being said, WoW has the advantage of having a bit more replayability than other MMORPG's I've played. A big part of the game is the questing and storyline, and many people will probably find it fun to play the game from 1 to 60 from both the alliance and horde persective. I have a 60 paladin and recently my wife and I (plus a bunch of people from our former EQ guild) decided to roll up Horde characters on one of the new servers (Moonrunner). All of us are having a lot of fun playing as the Horde for a change, and yet I also enjoy raiding with my Paladin.
So in a nutshell, all games have this cycle. The fact that you and your friends quit doesn't indicate anything about the state of the game or where it will be 1 or 5 years from now because its been the same for basically every previous MMORPG out there (some people quit, some people stick around).
This should finish this topic. Or at least make it more meaningfull. www.mmorpgchart.com All the data you need.
I do not play WoW, but I can tell you the population does suffer loss its just that the amount of new players joining or coming back from leaving out way the number of players currently leaving. So this keeps the population up and increases at the same time. In short your not really going to see a noticable change in WoW population negative wise. Your only going to see the positive change in its population. Like all mmo's though WoW will not stay on top forever it to will one day fall down the ladder and lose a large chunk of its population. Chances are good though when this does happen like everquest, WoW will still be around for a long time to come even if its no long number 1.
The prob. with WoW is it is so carebear, with sucky PvP. Which would be fine for a freaken Pokemon MMORPG, but this is a warcraft game, how about some war blizzard!!!
All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.
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"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
How sucky is it? As sucky as your ability to write a coherent post?
Seriously tho - what is so bad about WoW's PvP? And how is it Carebear? There *are* PVP servers.
All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.
Some of the data there is taken from official announcements, such as the press released by Blizzard. Obviously if you are an extreme skeptic, you could just come to the conclusion that everyone is lying and fudging numbers.
Skrew you, anyway WoW PvP is a tennis game. You get nothing for killing accept Honor points now which allow you to buy more stuf. Give us lootable bodies blizzard, make it possible for a raid group to take over a town.
All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.
Some of the data there is taken from official announcements, such as the press released by Blizzard. Obviously if you are an extreme skeptic, you could just come to the conclusion that everyone is lying and fudging numbers.
and.. even then we must come to the conclusion that Companies would lie more or less in the same way, and the data is more or less good.
Each game is rated in confidence rating from "A" to "D". Not all that data is speculation, most of it comes to either press releases, company sources or even internal informants. Only games classified as "D" are just a guessestimate based on server load and other factors. All in all it pretty much has the "accepted" datas for most games out there plus it has been out long enough to not be related nor influenced by any single game nor company.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
WTF are you talking about? Earthen Ring went from a Medium Server to a High Server in 2 months. Arthas which had about 5 minutes queue are now up to 15-20 minute queues.
I think you're on a Low Pop server or a new server that no one plays on, cause way too many people still keep joining this game.
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