Originally posted by Aildrik Originally posted by FadeusOriginally posted by MaxcorpsThis should finish this topic. Or at least make it more meaningfull. www.mmorpgchart.com All the data you need.All speculated data and by no means officially endorsed by the development and publishers of the games its reporting on.Some of the data there is taken from official announcements, such as the press released by Blizzard. Obviously if you are an extreme skeptic, you could just come to the conclusion that everyone is lying and fudging numbers.
Some yes, but not all. Thats why I said speculated numbers and not wrong numbers. I never said anyone was falsifying anything. Nor did I indicate that it was wrong. However he has to use a certain level of the fudge factor because many companies aren't making clear announcements on their subscriptions. And some he will admit is even guesswork.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Aildrik Originally posted by Edward78 The prob. with WoW is it is so carebear, with sucky PvP. Which would be fine for a freaken Pokemon MMORPG, but this is a warcraft game, how about some war blizzard!!! How sucky is it? As sucky as your ability to write a coherent post? Seriously tho - what is so bad about WoW's PvP? And how is it Carebear? There *are* PVP servers.
Because your can't loot a person's belongings after you gank them. That's why greifers like to tag any decent game with fair PvP "carebear". Because you can't kill someone for their sneakers.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by tanktastic Hi all, Was just wondering if players had noticed a decrease in numbers over the past couple of months? Was in the popular ,"The Church" guild which consisted of some 100 players only to find out of late they have all mostly moved on. Was also noticing the graph dropping on the mmo's chart for some time aswell. China is a new market but is seperate from it's "western" counterpart so I hope it doesn't end up like AO with a big following only in South Korea. Anyway if anyone has information to pass on pls tell, thanks.
Truth is, none of us will ever know what the population is at any given time in WoW. Blizzard would never release that data externally. I do believe that it is one of the most played MMORPG's at this point, but as someone said earlier, the player churn is probably the reason why you don't see the same guilds or players you did when it first started. The rapid leveling is most repsonsible for this, you didn't see that in EQ.
The rapid leveling is most repsonsible for this, you didn't see that in EQ.
I don't understand why people say this. The only time EQ had a slow leveling curve was the first few months it was out. There were 2 main reasons for this:
1. The MMORPG market was still very young. UO was basically the trailblazer, but in the grand scheme of things UO didn't have an enormous playerbase. People were still very new to the concept.
2. No large establish base of 'spoiler sites'. Back then there just wasn't a huge database of walkthroughs that you have no like thottbot, allakhazam, etc. You were pretty much on your own to figure out how a dungeon was layed out, how the zones connected, etc.
The fact is, once Norath had been explored and everyone knew the layout of zones, where to go to hunt, etc - there wasn't a whole lot involved with sitting in one place and grinding XP. After Kunark was released, it was even easier to level from 1 to 60 because of the better gear that was available (fungi tunic, lammies, etc).
EQ had the same situation going on that WoW does. Many people hit max level and they either realized that there was nothing left in the game for them besides getting rare loot - and they quit, or they enjoyed the game for what it was and felt there was more reason to stick around despite being max level. With WoW you at least have more options once you hit max level in the way of PvP / battlegrounds.
Well, I've played WoW for 7 months now and have quit the game 2 weeks ago... saw this post and decided to tell the reason for leaving.
First of all... WoW doesnt fell like an RPG game... there isnt any kind of a centralized story line... its more of a "done a quest move on to the next one" kind of thing... When I played FFXI back in a day when it first came out in the US, I could feel myself as being a part of something big, some kind of a story, a conflict, a problem the world faced. In WoW i feel like Im killing an opposing side member for no appearent reason, I know I get honor points, but ill get to the PvP part later in my post.
Second, the comunity... WTF is up with all them inexperianced (clearly under age of 12) people running around? No offence but I bet anyone who is lvl 60 here with some nice armor have recieved at least 10 msgs from low lvls everyday who keep on asking you for money... that just pisses me off... never in my life i would consider begging for money... NEVER... And one more thing... the farmers... lets say you want to make some cash the usual way - by farming mobs for some good drops or cash... but whenever you come to some nice farming spots, at least 5 Chineese (no offence but it is true) mother ****ing farmer running around...
Thirdly, the game play... oh, the game play!!! Let me start with the weak graphics... weak animations on all of the abilities... and absolutely 0!!!!!! balance or class improvements... all i see are nerfs nerfs nerfs... every patch... its a nerfs... I was a warrior, and from the first day i bought the game till the end of the July when I quit it, the gamestyle, game mechanics, EVERYTHING has remained the same on my class... 31/20 cookie cutter build still best in pvp... nothing after 15 points in protection tree are worth the points for tanking. After all this time... I have yet to see any kind of useful change in my class whatsoever.
And at last... the PvP... I played on Suramar so being ganked all the time, having to spend most of your time going to your corps rather than fighting, all that wasnt really a problem... but, although I was always top of the chart on kills in any battle ground (always top meleer) I simply got fed up with this pvp reward crap and honor points after a month of tring to progress anywhere in this damn game... I have a job and as most of us, working men, i dont have time to play WoW 24/7 like some of the crazy 10% of the server population who seem to forget their real lives just to get a little bit closer to getting that rank 14 and uber gear... I could never understand those people, and probably never will, but even talking (reasoning) with them seem to be quite impossible as most of them tell you to go **** yourself because you tell them, for example, that a certain weapon is better than another one for a certain reason...
Anyway, the guy who posted this thread wanted to know if the population is declyning... then my answer is hells yeah! I wasnt the only one to leave the game for good, most of the great players I know are at least thinking of leaving the game at some point of time... some already left before more... and from the forums i see more and more people leaving the game every day. I dont mean just people, I mean real good people, #1 classes in their guilds! I dont want to be too coky or anything but #1 hunter, druid, warrior and rogue of my previous guild has left the game alrdy (me being the warrior)... I see same happening to the horde side as well... People just get too frustrating and decide to move on with their lives thats all...
I guarantee... in a couple of months... WoW will be filled with nothing but geeks who got no life, farmers, and complete loosers who shouldnt be allowed to play video games due to the risk of complete mental retardation...
Im sorry if I offended anyone here with my reply... there is much more I can say about this game... mainly gameplay and people, but this would be enough for now. Although I REALLY, like really, miss fighting against best of the horde (rucati, hakim, maleficus... ; ; I will always remember you), I just gotta move on with my life...
PS: I was Moonblader, lvl 60 NE warrior on Suramar
PPS: I probably wont be checking the forum in a while but if you knew me in the game and like to keep contact just leave a msg
I also have played WoW for 7months. And I have quit. Reasons are similar to you Levzter but I will add a few of my own.
1 - Community - Terrible... This is all caused because the game is based on solo and you dont need to rely on your fellow players to level up. You can solo all the way to 60 within a few weeks, and its not hard to do. So even the most immature and annoying people can level to 60. 90% of the people in WoW are just purely immature and annoying people. Some are 35 and have children but they hide behing the online anoniminity and act like 12 year olds. Im tired of WoW how nobody respects each other. I played FFXI, and I know that the community was better there. This is because people had to rely on each other to get a level, you couldnt solo. So if you were a ""#"#%%"# you would just get kicked from the group. What makes a game stay with you is the people you meet in it. I wouldnt have played any MMO without the friends I made or started it with. Guilds/friends mean a lot. You can make content with your friends. You can always have things to do. But if your alone.. Your pretty much bored quickly. Basically WoW doesnt have enough player interactions because a lot of it is solo. Therefor you cant have much fun with friends.
2 - Endgame = 40man+ guild - This was a big problem for me. You can only be in one guild and you have to join a huge guild to go MC Onyxia. I was in a small guild with a few friends so I couldnt leave them. But then I wont be able to do MC.. Many people must have had this problem also.
3 - Quests - all i can say is the quest system was total #$%&. 90% of the quests had no relevance to the story at all. Actually I didnt even understand the story.. It wasnt interesting at all. From all the history and ancient stuff that WoW has nothing really made it so interesting. The quests were repetitive and it was a hi > quest > kthnxbye type of thing in groups. Absolutely terrible. I would rather have an endless grind that you can get friendly with other people than this totally solo game. WoW should be more like guild wars because its 90% solo..
LevZteR...it is funny you are showing respect to the horde players you have fought before but why not show some respect to the others players who actually enjoy the game? I myself do not like the game but you should at least say something that will not offend anyone especially in this kind of attempt to reveal your negatitive view of the game. By reading what you wrote, I feel sorry for the people who still play WOW and maybe the Chinese farmers if you will. Sure they are annoying but you can just simply not reply to their messages and they will stop. Just like the beggers in the game who ask for money, you just don't reply back and they will stop spamming messages at you. If you want you can use the ignore list but that is too extreme I think. LevZteR, a lot of what you say I truly agree but I just want to say you even offend someone who quitted WOW.
Originally posted by Aildrik Originally posted by Joekabuke The rapid leveling is most repsonsible for this, you didn't see that in EQ. I don't understand why people say this. The only time EQ had a slow leveling curve was the first few months it was out. There were 2 main reasons for this:1. The MMORPG market was still very young. UO was basically the trailblazer, but in the grand scheme of things UO didn't have an enormous playerbase. People were still very new to the concept. 2. No large establish base of 'spoiler sites'. Back then there just wasn't a huge database of walkthroughs that you have no like thottbot, allakhazam, etc. You were pretty much on your own to figure out how a dungeon was layed out, how the zones connected, etc.The fact is, once Norath had been explored and everyone knew the layout of zones, where to go to hunt, etc - there wasn't a whole lot involved with sitting in one place and grinding XP. After Kunark was released, it was even easier to level from 1 to 60 because of the better gear that was available (fungi tunic, lammies, etc).EQ had the same situation going on that WoW does. Many people hit max level and they either realized that there was nothing left in the game for them besides getting rare loot - and they quit, or they enjoyed the game for what it was and felt there was more reason to stick around despite being max level.With WoW you at least have more options once you hit max level in the way of PvP / battlegrounds.
You cannot be serious. EQ was by far the hardest MMORPG I have played, I have not played UO so I may be wrong. How about sitting and medding after each kill? I didn't do that in WoW. How about dying and running for your corpse? I didn't do that in WoW. Why did it take peeps 3 years to get to level 50? Stop it, please!
i've sead it once ...i'l say it again .. : I DO NOT see people leaving on the euro servs ...yes the game has a lot of "downs" ...(quitted 2 times ) .errm FREAKING CHINESE FARMERS are evrywhere ....this is the third time and i still feel like reactivating my account ...from all that sea of retards ....i actualy found a big,nice guild who pvp all day long . And errm in not a nerd/geek/retard (i like SWG and eq2 although i only started to play them ) ..Hmmm i don't see people leaving the game any time soon .. i have a blizz dev in my guild cough cough *fresh info on the game dev..... Player housing,siege machines , 2 new classes in the comming expansion : one of em is the Beastmaster for horde and thats 100% : p ... it will be a melee only version of the hunter with pets it can summon.. nice promises......the future (hope not to distant) looks nice for wow if you ignore the wineers ....... if you left its np .but let other ppl play there game stop calling all the wow comunity retards,nerds,"l337 kidd1es", etc etc ... cause you don't know all of us conclusion : .if you don't like it ,don't play it . 2. People aren't leaving in lots of numbers since World of Warcraft is still one of the best sold / most popular games in europe/US ..(Asia doesn't count) 3.errm STFU damn winers and griefers go play Ubah Sims and crappy Lineage :P
Sorry for my spelling Have Fun Axor,warrior Frostwhisper EU
P.S stop posting stuff like "WoW sux" .......*thank god the people that do that just left .:)
I am sorry that I had offended anyone on this forum (inexperianced and experianced WoW players alike), I guess I was in a bad mood atm...
Just like the post before you had stated: the community is just horrible... you could curse the hell out of some one and get away with it. As for the chinese farmers... i could have ignored them... but the problem is I ran out of the allowed Ignore List space by my 5th month of playing WoW... There are just too many people who act like complete idiots, and its unbearable for some of us (and yes I am short tempered ; ; ) I dont think anyone would feel nice when someone curses you off every 5 minutes in different languages and laughs at your corpse when you die...
As for the horde players I posted ... those were just the honorable people that I met in the battlegrounds... I even made a horde alt to be able to talk to them... and unlike 90% of alliance population they were much more mature... more intelligent... I even felt a little uncomfortable talking to them after being surrounded by immature kids for over 5 months.
I would like to say something about end game content... Playing on a low/mid pop server, doing MC or any other 40 man instances is simply put HELL... there are 3 major guilds on Suramar who simply TOOK all the lvl60 casters from the server, because as many of you who play WoW on the alliance side had noticed... many prefer horde for caster classes (btw the people i mentioned earlier were priest/mage/warlock respectivelly ) So in other worlds... my guild (which broke up a day before I left) was unsuccessful in many of its MC runs...
I am pleased to hear that there will be some major improvements in the WoW in the future ... but right now... expension pack sounds like itll be released somewhere in 2007... and, like a previous poster, i AM tempted to go back to WoW universe... but that will NOT happen untill i see some actual improvements in the game... i mean there are 3 trees for each class... yet only one actually works... warlocks seem to be the only class out there who benefits equally from all 3 trees and other classes are getting fixed too to add veriety to the game... but i highly doubt that would happen in near future as well...
Anyway I left the game ... and even though i still think about it all the time (mmorpgs are addictive like drugs ><)... i am glad that i have a TON of free time in my hands...
One more thing... I NEVER said WoW sux... its a great game... love the battlegrounds... it really adds the flavor to the game and makes it trully unique... its the lack of roleplaying/frustration to do stuff post 60 is what really annoys the hell otta people... Im sry but not all of us are in elite guilds... I tryed getting into all elite guilds on the server... but just like any group of friends, they stick to their own friends and no matter how good you are, you dont get a chance to do anything or participate in any guild events whatsoever.
Players are actualy leaving WoW now. Alot of EVE plyers left when WoW got relased and sudenly they are comeing back. The reason for people leaving is that they've beaten the game.
Others would probably be that PVPing in WoW isn't fun enough.
Once you do all the quests, there is absolutelly nothing else to do but to start another character or go PvP.
The main reason why i quit was because all I was doing for the past 2 months was PvPing or doing raids in hopes of getting new gear.
The game has absolutelly nothing to offer to those who play WoW from time to time (not the crazy people who play video games at least 8 hours a day). The pvp reward system designed to favor those who are willing to live in wow universe. So in other words, just like Idono had said, people have beaten the game and left...
Originally posted by Volkmar and my server, Argent Dawn, has started getting queues in the most populous evening hours... So... nope i do not see lack of players just yet
Queues by no means is a sign of Population on a server.. When servers start having stablity issues blizzard often times will put a queue up on that server, they have stated this numerous times (check the Realm status forums).. I will have to agree that people are leaving WOW, many are bored or are not satisfied with the lack of meaning behind pvp in this game.. Others are sick of lag which is bar far the worse of any MMORPG I have ever playeed.. Including Lineage1 and 2 which had more people had/has More people then WOW.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Of course there is a lot of people leaving. However there is a lot of people joining.
I have ALWAYS thought personally that WoW was designed to have a low retention rate, but very high joining rate, and so far I am proving to be pretty spot on.
It makes sense for blizzard because people are then seeing the 1-60 game which is very polished instead of getting to 60 in a month or 3 and then getting bored to death.
My server pop seems to be normal, some people leave, yet new names appear each day it seems. I'm on Arthas, one of the higher pop servers.... I've seen large guilds switch servers, and large guilds come in.
A few groups are leaving, now that they have gotten their "fill" of the game to press on to other releases. It's going to be just like every other MMORPG I've played, you will have the initial 6 month feeding fest on a new game, then about 1/3 of the population will either just quit, or try out other games while keeping their WoW accounts active.
I'm sure the whole Asian server startup is giving them the numbers, but that's normal... there will always be ups and downs in server pops.
I, my guild, and literally every single person I know who plays MMORPGs in this college town had come and gone from WoW. Guild and I left within three days of each other. Why? Nothing to do, idiotic L33t-speaking garbage from 90% of the population, no sense of immersion or being part of a changing, vibrant world. I have never come away from a game with such a foul taste in my mouth -- entirely because of the surly, foul-mouthed braggarts and l33t-speaking idiots in such a high density. The game itself has enormous potential which I hope Blizzard realises. It would go far if they'd put in a filter to automatically "ignore" any and all people who talk about "pWNd! Hz Az!" and such spewage. Not unique to WoW, but the density (raw numbers of idiots doing it) definitely is.
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Some yes, but not all. Thats why I said speculated numbers and not wrong numbers. I never said anyone was falsifying anything. Nor did I indicate that it was wrong. However he has to use a certain level of the fudge factor because many companies aren't making clear announcements on their subscriptions. And some he will admit is even guesswork.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Because your can't loot a person's belongings after you gank them. That's why greifers like to tag any decent game with fair PvP "carebear". Because you can't kill someone for their sneakers.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Truth is, none of us will ever know what the population is at any given time in WoW. Blizzard would never release that data externally. I do believe that it is one of the most played MMORPG's at this point, but as someone said earlier, the player churn is probably the reason why you don't see the same guilds or players you did when it first started. The rapid leveling is most repsonsible for this, you didn't see that in EQ.
I don't understand why people say this. The only time EQ had a slow leveling curve was the first few months it was out. There were 2 main reasons for this:
1. The MMORPG market was still very young. UO was basically the trailblazer, but in the grand scheme of things UO didn't have an enormous playerbase. People were still very new to the concept.
2. No large establish base of 'spoiler sites'. Back then there just wasn't a huge database of walkthroughs that you have no like thottbot, allakhazam, etc. You were pretty much on your own to figure out how a dungeon was layed out, how the zones connected, etc.
The fact is, once Norath had been explored and everyone knew the layout of zones, where to go to hunt, etc - there wasn't a whole lot involved with sitting in one place and grinding XP. After Kunark was released, it was even easier to level from 1 to 60 because of the better gear that was available (fungi tunic, lammies, etc).
EQ had the same situation going on that WoW does. Many people hit max level and they either realized that there was nothing left in the game for them besides getting rare loot - and they quit, or they enjoyed the game for what it was and felt there was more reason to stick around despite being max level.
With WoW you at least have more options once you hit max level in the way of PvP / battlegrounds.
Well, I've played WoW for 7 months now and have quit the game 2 weeks ago... saw this post and decided to tell the reason for leaving.
First of all... WoW doesnt fell like an RPG game... there isnt any kind of a centralized story line... its more of a "done a quest move on to the next one" kind of thing... When I played FFXI back in a day when it first came out in the US, I could feel myself as being a part of something big, some kind of a story, a conflict, a problem the world faced. In WoW i feel like Im killing an opposing side member for no appearent reason, I know I get honor points, but ill get to the PvP part later in my post.
Second, the comunity... WTF is up with all them inexperianced (clearly under age of 12) people running around? No offence but I bet anyone who is lvl 60 here with some nice armor have recieved at least 10 msgs from low lvls everyday who keep on asking you for money... that just pisses me off... never in my life i would consider begging for money... NEVER... And one more thing... the farmers... lets say you want to make some cash the usual way - by farming mobs for some good drops or cash... but whenever you come to some nice farming spots, at least 5 Chineese (no offence but it is true) mother ****ing farmer running around...
Thirdly, the game play... oh, the game play!!! Let me start with the weak graphics... weak animations on all of the abilities... and absolutely 0!!!!!! balance or class improvements... all i see are nerfs nerfs nerfs... every patch... its a nerfs... I was a warrior, and from the first day i bought the game till the end of the July when I quit it, the gamestyle, game mechanics, EVERYTHING has remained the same on my class... 31/20 cookie cutter build still best in pvp... nothing after 15 points in protection tree are worth the points for tanking. After all this time... I have yet to see any kind of useful change in my class whatsoever.
And at last... the PvP... I played on Suramar so being ganked all the time, having to spend most of your time going to your corps rather than fighting, all that wasnt really a problem... but, although I was always top of the chart on kills in any battle ground (always top meleer) I simply got fed up with this pvp reward crap and honor points after a month of tring to progress anywhere in this damn game... I have a job and as most of us, working men, i dont have time to play WoW 24/7 like some of the crazy 10% of the server population who seem to forget their real lives just to get a little bit closer to getting that rank 14 and uber gear... I could never understand those people, and probably never will, but even talking (reasoning) with them seem to be quite impossible as most of them tell you to go **** yourself because you tell them, for example, that a certain weapon is better than another one for a certain reason...
Anyway, the guy who posted this thread wanted to know if the population is declyning... then my answer is hells yeah! I wasnt the only one to leave the game for good, most of the great players I know are at least thinking of leaving the game at some point of time... some already left before more... and from the forums i see more and more people leaving the game every day. I dont mean just people, I mean real good people, #1 classes in their guilds! I dont want to be too coky or anything but #1 hunter, druid, warrior and rogue of my previous guild has left the game alrdy (me being the warrior)... I see same happening to the horde side as well... People just get too frustrating and decide to move on with their lives thats all...
I guarantee... in a couple of months... WoW will be filled with nothing but geeks who got no life, farmers, and complete loosers who shouldnt be allowed to play video games due to the risk of complete mental retardation...
Im sorry if I offended anyone here with my reply... there is much more I can say about this game... mainly gameplay and people, but this would be enough for now. Although I REALLY, like
really, miss fighting against best of the horde (rucati, hakim, maleficus... ; ; I will always remember you), I just gotta move on with my life...
PS: I was Moonblader, lvl 60 NE warrior on Suramar
PPS: I probably wont be checking the forum in a while but if you knew me in the game and like to keep contact just leave a msg
I also have played WoW for 7months. And I have quit. Reasons are similar to you Levzter but I will add a few of my own.
1 - Community - Terrible... This is all caused because the game is based on solo and you dont need to rely on your fellow players to level up. You can solo all the way to 60 within a few weeks, and its not hard to do. So even the most immature and annoying people can level to 60. 90% of the people in WoW are just purely immature and annoying people. Some are 35 and have children but they hide behing the online anoniminity and act like 12 year olds. Im tired of WoW how nobody respects each other. I played FFXI, and I know that the community was better there. This is because people had to rely on each other to get a level, you couldnt solo. So if you were a ""#"#%%"# you would just get kicked from the group. What makes a game stay with you is the people you meet in it. I wouldnt have played any MMO without the friends I made or started it with. Guilds/friends mean a lot. You can make content with your friends. You can always have things to do. But if your alone.. Your pretty much bored quickly. Basically WoW doesnt have enough player interactions because a lot of it is solo. Therefor you cant have much fun with friends.
2 - Endgame = 40man+ guild - This was a big problem for me. You can only be in one guild and you have to join a huge guild to go MC Onyxia. I was in a small guild with a few friends so I couldnt leave them. But then I wont be able to do MC.. Many people must have had this problem also.
3 - Quests - all i can say is the quest system was total #$%&. 90% of the quests had no relevance to the story at all. Actually I didnt even understand the story.. It wasnt interesting at all. From all the history and ancient stuff that WoW has nothing really made it so interesting. The quests were repetitive and it was a hi > quest > kthnxbye type of thing in groups. Absolutely terrible. I would rather have an endless grind that you can get friendly with other people than this totally solo game. WoW should be more like guild wars because its 90% solo..
You cannot be serious. EQ was by far the hardest MMORPG I have played, I have not played UO so I may be wrong. How about sitting and medding after each kill? I didn't do that in WoW. How about dying and running for your corpse? I didn't do that in WoW. Why did it take peeps 3 years to get to level 50? Stop it, please!
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
i've sead it once ...i'l say it again .. : I DO NOT see people leaving on the euro servs ...yes the game has a lot of "downs" ...(quitted 2 times ) .errm FREAKING CHINESE FARMERS are evrywhere ....this is the third time and i still feel like reactivating my account ...from all that sea of retards ....i actualy found a big,nice guild who pvp all day long
. And errm in not a nerd/geek/retard (i like SWG and eq2 although i only started to play them ) ..Hmmm i don't see people leaving the game any time soon .. i have a blizz dev in my guild cough cough *fresh info on the game dev..... Player housing,siege machines , 2 new classes in the comming expansion : one of em is the Beastmaster for horde and thats 100% : p ... it will be a melee only version of the hunter with pets it can summon.. nice promises......the future (hope not to distant) looks nice for wow if you ignore the wineers ......
. if you left its np .but let other ppl play there game stop calling all the wow comunity retards,nerds,"l337 kidd1es", etc etc ... cause you don't know all of us 
conclusion : .if you don't like it ,don't play it .
2. People aren't leaving in lots of numbers since World of Warcraft is still one of the best sold / most popular games in europe/US ..(Asia doesn't count)
3.errm STFU damn winers and griefers go play Ubah Sims and crappy Lineage :P
Sorry for my spelling
Have Fun Axor,warrior Frostwhisper EU 
P.S stop posting stuff like "WoW sux" .......*thank god the people that do that just left .:)
Paravion,
I am sorry that I had offended anyone on this forum (inexperianced and experianced WoW players alike), I guess I was in a bad mood atm...
Just like the post before you had stated: the community is just horrible... you could curse the hell out of some one and get away with it. As for the chinese farmers... i could have ignored them... but the problem is I ran out of the allowed Ignore List space by my 5th month of playing WoW... There are just too many people who act like complete idiots, and its unbearable for some of us (and yes I am short tempered ; ; ) I dont think anyone would feel nice when someone curses you off every 5 minutes in different languages and laughs at your corpse when you die...
As for the horde players I posted ... those were just the honorable people that I met in the battlegrounds... I even made a horde alt to be able to talk to them... and unlike 90% of alliance population they were much more mature... more intelligent... I even felt a little uncomfortable talking to them after being surrounded by immature kids for over 5 months.
I would like to say something about end game content... Playing on a low/mid pop server, doing MC or any other 40 man instances is simply put HELL... there are 3 major guilds on Suramar who simply TOOK all the lvl60 casters from the server, because as many of you who play WoW on the alliance side had noticed... many prefer horde for caster classes (btw the people i mentioned earlier were priest/mage/warlock respectivelly
) So in other worlds... my guild (which broke up a day before I left) was unsuccessful in many of its MC runs...
I am pleased to hear that there will be some major improvements in the WoW in the future ... but right now... expension pack sounds like itll be released somewhere in 2007... and, like a previous poster, i AM tempted to go back to WoW universe... but that will NOT happen untill i see some actual improvements in the game... i mean there are 3 trees for each class... yet only one actually works... warlocks seem to be the only class out there who benefits equally from all 3 trees and other classes are getting fixed too to add veriety to the game... but i highly doubt that would happen in near future as well...
Anyway I left the game ... and even though i still think about it all the time (mmorpgs are addictive like drugs ><)... i am glad that i have a TON of free time in my hands...
One troll and 7 pages of bites. God, tanktastic made it look so easy.
You might not like WoW, but their populations aren't declining yet in any mentionable way. There might be a turnover rate, but all games have that.
Players are actualy leaving WoW now. Alot of EVE plyers left when WoW got relased and sudenly they are comeing back. The reason for people leaving is that they've beaten the game.
Others would probably be that PVPing in WoW isn't fun enough.
Idono, you are exactly right...
Once you do all the quests, there is absolutelly nothing else to do but to start another character or go PvP.
The main reason why i quit was because all I was doing for the past 2 months was PvPing or doing raids in hopes of getting new gear.
The game has absolutelly nothing to offer to those who play WoW from time to time (not the crazy people who play video games at least 8 hours a day). The pvp reward system designed to favor those who are willing to live in wow universe. So in other words, just like Idono had said, people have beaten the game and left...
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Of course there is a lot of people leaving. However there is a lot of people joining.
I have ALWAYS thought personally that WoW was designed to have a low retention rate, but very high joining rate, and so far I am proving to be pretty spot on.
It makes sense for blizzard because people are then seeing the 1-60 game which is very polished instead of getting to 60 in a month or 3 and then getting bored to death.
My server pop seems to be normal, some people leave, yet new names appear each day it seems. I'm on Arthas, one of the higher pop servers.... I've seen large guilds switch servers, and large guilds come in.
A few groups are leaving, now that they have gotten their "fill" of the game to press on to other releases. It's going to be just like every other MMORPG I've played, you will have the initial 6 month feeding fest on a new game, then about 1/3 of the population will either just quit, or try out other games while keeping their WoW accounts active.
I'm sure the whole Asian server startup is giving them the numbers, but that's normal... there will always be ups and downs in server pops.
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I, my guild, and literally every single person I know who plays MMORPGs in this college town had come and gone from WoW. Guild and I left within three days of each other. Why? Nothing to do, idiotic L33t-speaking garbage from 90% of the population, no sense of immersion or being part of a changing, vibrant world. I have never come away from a game with such a foul taste in my mouth -- entirely because of the surly, foul-mouthed braggarts and l33t-speaking idiots in such a high density. The game itself has enormous potential which I hope Blizzard realises. It would go far if they'd put in a filter to automatically "ignore" any and all people who talk about "pWNd! Hz Az!" and such spewage. Not unique to WoW, but the density (raw numbers of idiots doing it) definitely is.