Umm - wow these comments about "not sure what the big deal is - lots of other companies are doing it"
Look just because so many choose to take shitty practices to put their employees under stress - it doesn't mean this is something that should be accepted as ok.
Being forced to put in time that is beyond regular hours - for the sake of almighty $$$ that the xompany won't give back to you or some higher up management lack of planning - is not ok, nor should it be excused.
I know a bunch of folks who left the video game industry because of shitty hours and expectations to "bleed for the company" - the company never reciprocates and would fire most anyone in a blink of an eye.
Don't ever fall for that corporate "employees are our biggest asset" lie - because none of them actually practice this - sure they say it - but will treat everyone except the C levels as expendable garbage when it really comes down to it.
Also don't fall for the "tough times" bullshit - many companies are using this to shaft the employees.
Doing some overtime here and there (talking about salaried jobs that don't pay overtime) - is fine, but learn to set clear boundaries with your boss about life/work balance - I've been doing this for over 15 years and my bosses frankly respected me more because they couldn't just roll over me with any demands like most other employees.
Blah blah blah blah........the fact is, this IS how TF reality is, and I see not one suggestion as to what can and or should be done about it, in reality.......this particular situation isn't a "Grab your torches and pitchforks and hide your wallets" moment.......also the fact is that this news would be different if the headline was, "CDPR has had 4 devs jump out of windows because of their unethical and inhumane business practices...." this is NO different then what most deal with, and GOOD for them that this Polish law decrees them being compensated, bit jealous frankly...... I bet these friends of yours worked for Western dev studios, and prolly entry level, because anyone who really wants their name on a project doesn't just up and bounce cause they wanted a day off.
The sense i've always gotten about EU working standards, is that they seem to be better then the USA, and from what i went through personally at my job i was with for 12 years here in the states.. i would not doubt it.
As i was searching the web for what EU labor laws look like today in comparison to US labor laws that i am used to; this popped up in one of my searches.
On a lighter note, i am happy that they are taking the extra time to really polish Cyberpunk 2077, but i just hope they keep a close eye on worker mental health, i don't think it's going to help a bug-tester if said bug-tester is trying to work with one eye barely open.
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I know the expected reaction is going to be to call the company evil and talk about their "mistreatment" of their employees, but this is quite reasonable. So they have to work an extra (paid) day a week for 6 weeks. Wow... a whopping 6 extra days...
My company will institute mandatory OT from Nov 1 to Jan 15
It's called running a business that has peaks and deadlines.
I don't have a major issue with it due to the Polish law requiring them to be paid. In the U.S. if you are a salaried worker which most professional jobs are you likely wouldn't get paid.
Time and again research has shown that people are far more productive in a 40 hour work week, with good work/life balance, then in countries like the US where its very common for people having to work 60 hours a week, 10 hours a day/6 days a week.
Research has shown this to be true eh?
I'm not seeing it. US is in the top three on this table, pretty much true in most tables or unit of measure.
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I know the expected reaction is going to be to call the company evil and talk about their "mistreatment" of their employees, but this is quite reasonable. So they have to work an extra (paid) day a week for 6 weeks. Wow... a whopping 6 extra days...
My company will institute mandatory OT from Nov 1 to Jan 15
It's called running a business that has peaks and deadlines.
I don't have a major issue with it due to the Polish law requiring them to be paid. In the U.S. if you are a salaried worker which most professional jobs are you likely wouldn't get paid.
Time and again research has shown that people are far more productive in a 40 hour work week, with good work/life balance, then in countries like the US where its very common for people having to work 60 hours a week, 10 hours a day/6 days a week.
Research has shown this to be true eh?
I'm not seeing it. US is in the top three on this table, pretty much true in most tables or unit of measure.
Social studies have sadly become increasingly politicised over the last twenty years, if you have a policy or cause you can find "evidence" to back it up. We even reached the stage several years ago where you see activists conducting studies who say their research is still impartial. It is a sad state of affairs, we should be behind many of these polices and causes, but I think it has become incredibly hard for even governments to use an evidence based approach to decide what is true and what is not.
I know the expected reaction is going to be to call the company evil and talk about their "mistreatment" of their employees, but this is quite reasonable. So they have to work an extra (paid) day a week for 6 weeks. Wow... a whopping 6 extra days...
My company will institute mandatory OT from Nov 1 to Jan 15
It's called running a business that has peaks and deadlines.
The basement bolshevik types will still use this as some springboard for their cause.
Dudes be white knightiing for six days of paid overtime.
Oh damn those slave drivers. The brutality of those six long days.
Like come on there comes a time when outrage is just plain shut up dude no one cares about that six day struggle for some office workers. Literally no one. Their families probably don't even care. Hell most don't care enough to still work there because it's pretty fucking easy.
Arguably the easiest job ever making games.
Got us some real 72 hour coal miners in them offices...oh christ I'm done..dude..
There is a certain amount of working hours on your contract though, it doesn't say "until all the work is done and the boss decides it is time.
...yep, that is why I say any decent job.
Hourly jobs are for peasants where what they do is unimportant enough to be left undone.
You really are a stupid twat
But he's right
Not even close to being right.
I am not a hourly worker but I know their importance and they absolutely are not peasents.
Here would be a cool exercise. Layoff half the salaried staff and lay off half the hourly and see which one you miss more in trying to run your business. Doubt it will be the middle management or the redundant support function staff.
After laying off half of your workers, your business will be able to still operate, albeit not as productively.
You lay off half of your salaried staff and you will have no contracts to work on because you laid off your sales people, your cashflow collapses because you laid of your managers and project leaders, your it infrastructure - do you have any idea how crucial it is hese days for a business?, without a CFO doing the taxes for you, that won't get you very far either...etc. etc.
You might lose hundreds of workers but it takes just handful of key people, or just one, and you may close your business for good - and those key people will be salaried, precisely because they are vital and harder to replace to your business.
Jeez, can't believe there are still people out there to fall for his classical commie propaganda...
So...they extended paid work hours in the ramp up to launch, like how most major rollouts stage things, and they get paid for it. What's the news here?
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Blah blah blah blah........the fact is, this IS how TF reality is, and I see not one suggestion as to what can and or should be done about it, in reality.......this particular situation isn't a "Grab your torches and pitchforks and hide your wallets" moment.......also the fact is that this news would be different if the headline was, "CDPR has had 4 devs jump out of windows because of their unethical and inhumane business practices...." this is NO different then what most deal with, and GOOD for them that this Polish law decrees them being compensated, bit jealous frankly...... I bet these friends of yours worked for Western dev studios, and prolly entry level, because anyone who really wants their name on a project doesn't just up and bounce cause they wanted a day off.
As i was searching the web for what EU labor laws look like today in comparison to US labor laws that i am used to; this popped up in one of my searches.
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Fishing on Bronzebeard since 2005
Fishing in RL since 1992
Born with a fishing rod in my hand in 1979
I'm not seeing it. US is in the top three on this table, pretty much true in most tables or unit of measure.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/labor-productivity-per-hour-pennworldtable
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After laying off half of your workers, your business will be able to still operate, albeit not as productively.
You lay off half of your salaried staff and you will have no contracts to work on because you laid off your sales people, your cashflow collapses because you laid of your managers and project leaders, your it infrastructure - do you have any idea how crucial it is hese days for a business?, without a CFO doing the taxes for you, that won't get you very far either...etc. etc.
You might lose hundreds of workers but it takes just handful of key people, or just one, and you may close your business for good - and those key people will be salaried, precisely because they are vital and harder to replace to your business.
Jeez, can't believe there are still people out there to fall for his classical commie propaganda...