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Religious aversion to classes who traffic with demons?

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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,029
    Anyone who was religious enough to care probaly wouldn't be paying the game to start with
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  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,609
    edited November 2020
    AlBQuirky said:
    Gorwe said:
    Demons, Necromancers and co aside, I have a question for you people:

    Do godless, brutal, super egoistical things like your typical Sith or like Game of Thrones bother you? How far is too far for you? Does hurting others and others disliking you play a factor in this for you? 
    Yes. I've played many Star Wars games. I have yet to play a Sith of any kind. It's not a "religious thing" for me, just a difference in what I find fun and enjoyable to play for entertainment.

    Game of Thrones would be interesting. I can see me as part of the "Wolves of the North", as they were more honest and trustworthy to me. I couldn't play as a Lannister or Targaryean(sp).

    Basically, I'm a "good guy" that has fun helping others. Being a dick and an asshole has no amount of "fun" for me personally ;)
    And I'd prefer to be Han Solo or Flynn Rider or such characters. Light Side Smuggler. Good natured Rogue. As I describe Smuggler's LS story: Fixin Things. And it's amazing how much things he fixes, all with metric tons of panache. BEAUTIFUL!

    I also quite like Ebonheart Pact's pirate story in the beginning of ES:O. But what else is new, me and the smugglers etc. It's possibly one of the best things I experienced in ES:O.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    edited November 2020
    Ok, when someone tries to ERP with you (erotic role play)... or your wife/sig. other or family members... maybe another thread...
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  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member RarePosts: 531
    Demons no....spiders though...ya hate em IRL and in games.

    I always play hunters/pet classes, and even if spiders were the best i would never use one.

    Like others, i doubt someone that was so extremely religious, that the things like demons bothered them, would play games to be bothered by such stuff.  

    More in games now-a-days to worry religious people about than demon pets. Came across a real porn game on steam.

    Recently change the place where you always get the pop up for your age? Well i clicked that to go away and now i see some strange stuff :*




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  • cmacqcmacq Member UncommonPosts: 331
    Ok, when someone tries to ERP with you (erotic role play)... or your wife/sig. other or family members... maybe another thread...
    LOL! Way to keep it serious!

    Good thread guys. Like reading some well thought out replies
    AlBQuirky
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Ungood said:
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 
    Also untold millions if not hundreds of millions of lives. Many believe religion does nothing but separate. 

    As far as mmorpgs I’ve always liked wicked shit. Life stealing and such.
    AlBQuirky
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    bcbully said:
    Ungood said:
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 
    Also untold millions if not hundreds of millions of lives. Many believe religion does nothing but separate. 

    As far as mmorpgs I’ve always liked wicked shit. Life stealing and such.
    I'd argue that nationalism, monetary greed, and cultural or racial supremacy and narcissistic leaders have lead to way mors deaths than religion. 
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    edited November 2020
    Ungood said:
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 
    More like science has been made despite religion.

    Religions tend to come with beliefs that something is already known and can't be wrong (because religion says so), or that something can't be known (because religion says so). Religion rarely advances science, but often hampers it.


    EDIT: This doesn't mean I'd think human race could advance by abolishing all religions. Religions can have benefits, but advancing science is not one of them
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    Thread derailing... 
    NanfoodleSovrathAlBQuirky
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    edited November 2020


    Deleted as Twisted S. is correct, thread derailing.




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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    lahnmir said:
    Can I just say that I love the general tone and civilised responses in this thread? When I opened it I was somewhat afraid to read the replies. Thanks guys  :)

    /Cheers,
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    Sorry, we got one that couldn't help themselves... now we're tip toe'ng on forum rules about religion.  

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited November 2020
    I personally don't let any religious views affect my enjoyment of video games. I think the Shin Megami Tensei series have used religious content the best.

    On the contrary, if a game gets censored because of it then i will likely not pay for it. Might even get it by other means unless there is an uncensored version.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    edited November 2020
    remsleep said:
    Ungood said:
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 

    And what recent advancements have those been?

    Religion was needed to get us to a certain point just like many other primitive rituals and beliefs had before religion came along.

    But as with all things that are past their use, time to put them aside and move on.

    I was trying to be nice and not call you out, why don't you just stay on topic and say something like "I don't have religious beliefs l, so it doesn't affect my GAMEPLAY"... or whatever. 

    Atheists do have humanistic/secular morals, so you could discuss GAMEPLAY from that perspective too if so inclined. 

    Nobody is preaching belief or non-belief here.  Carry on. :*
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Vrika said:
    Ungood said:
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 
    More like science has been made despite religion.

    Religions tend to come with beliefs that something is already known and can't be wrong (because religion says so), or that something can't be known (because religion says so). Religion rarely advances science, but often hampers it.
    Odd, because the Roman Church was the purveyor of funding scientist all through the middle ages, people like Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo, got most of their funding through the churches, understanding hereditary traits was discovered by monks. Even raging asshats like Galileo, had their work funded by the very church they mocked.

    So, Religion has been a forefront of our development as a society. Not only that, most scientific documents have often been held and protected by the churches in times of war, and Churches have historically functioned as massive libraries as well institutions of of education for their members.

    In short, without religion, we would have lost more progress than we ever made.

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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    In a relation to Fantasy Video Games, this is often why Churches are designed to look like fortresses, and often full of catacombs, which, have their own quest hubs and pits into the nether realms of hell.. but that just makes great story.

    In any case, Churches were designed to be safe houses for people, in many fantasy video games, often based on european style history, this art design gets carried over with churches being impressive structures and "Religious" classes, like Clerics and Paladins being healers and protectors the people and history.

    Often, in fantasy settings you will have other classes like Druids, Shamen, and the like, that are also the protectors and keepers of history, often in other means, like song, chants, etc, as opposed to deep crypts full of scrolls and gateways to other planes.

    Always kind of enjoyed the history of where some classes came from, and some of their historical influence. In cases like Paladins, it was not the Crusaders that were used, but in a sense of Irony it was Sir Lancelot, that is often depicted as the paladin of history.

    With Lancerlot being a person of pure heart, yet a Knight that serves Honor for the sake of Honor in it's own right, and willing to tell the King to kiss their ass. 

    This was also why unlike Clerics, in D&D Paladins didn't need to declare a deity, they could serve Honor for the sake of Honor.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    edited November 2020
    Ungood said:
    In a relation to Fantasy Video Games, this is often why Churches are designed to look like fortresses, and often full of catacombs, which, have their own quest hubs and pits into the nether realms of hell.. but that just makes great story.


    For some reason, your description made me have Diablo 2 flashbacks... that was a one of a kind game.  

    Especially if you played it live when it launched.  There were guilds and everything.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited November 2020
    Ungood said:
    Vrika said:
    Ungood said:
    remsleep said:
    You can evaluate the advancement of human race by how quickly we abolish all religions.
    This is such an odd quote, given that religions have led to many of our scientific advancements. 
    More like science has been made despite religion.

    Religions tend to come with beliefs that something is already known and can't be wrong (because religion says so), or that something can't be known (because religion says so). Religion rarely advances science, but often hampers it.
    Odd, because the Roman Church was the purveyor of funding scientist all through the middle ages, people like Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo, got most of their funding through the churches, understanding hereditary traits was discovered by monks. Even raging asshats like Galileo, had their work funded by the very church they mocked.

    So, Religion has been a forefront of our development as a society. Not only that, most scientific documents have often been held and protected by the churches in times of war, and Churches have historically functioned as massive libraries as well institutions of of education for their members.

    In short, without religion, we would have lost more progress than we ever made.

    The Catholic Church still says the world is 6000 years old and would still say the sun revolves around the earth if they could. Come on man the church still teaches we all came from Adam and Eve. 

    Hell they got that money by literally selling salvation. Is that what people living through the dark ages needed? 

    Look Idk what gets you there knitting, kunfu, or the church. Let’s not pretend it is what it isn’t though.

    Statements like the one I quoted I believe are part of the reason why I like wicked roles.
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    @ungood seems to be on to something. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church

    @bcbully

    Perhaps you should do your research before responding


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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited November 2020
    @ungood seems to be on to something. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church

    @bcbully

    Perhaps you should do your research before responding


    My friend, please believe whatever you want to believe. I do not believe your linked wiki did you any favors, I won’t even go into wiki being your source. We have differing opinions on your link and your view on religion. That’s ok.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    edited November 2020
    Will try to get this thread back on course before the moderators wake up today.

    While I am a religious person I came to my faith later in life and I am always very conflicted on my beliefs, Thomas would have been a good nickname for me.

    Never was one to be concerned about religious connotations in video games however my wife on more than one occasion has questioned why I play such especially fantasy RPGs as she's definitely one who feels they edge too close to the "dark side."

    I've never had a problem playing a mage but truth be told I've more often played as a cleric or paladin and rarely as a thief or warlock.

    I don't play "evil" characters and I recall quitting SWTOR after finding the storyline of my Sith character too dark for my liking.

    I would never play as a demon however, while I never played it I recall a game once made called Angels and Demons (or something like that) and while I would not have avoided it just because of the subject matter, I know for sure which side I'd be playing for. 

    o:)
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445
    Calm down and carry on playing; with NPC gods and demons, or not. :)
    bcbully
  • phoenixfire2phoenixfire2 Member UncommonPosts: 228
    There's a few MMOs and other games with classes who interact with demons and use them to their advantage.  The most obvious example I can think of is warlocks in WoW.  Out of curiosity, and without passing judgement one way or the other, does anyone have an aversion to playing these classes because of religious beliefs?

    As a christian atheist, I do not.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    @ungood seems to be on to something. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church

    @bcbully

    Perhaps you should do your research before responding
    A small group getting lot of wealth and power always creates science and arts as they can focus on more leisurely pursuits instead of mundane concerns. The question is not whether catholic church does any research at all.

    It's a question of speed, and Catholic church is a good example how scientific advancement slowed to a crawl for a thousand years when they gained power from the non-religious government at the collapse of Roman empire, and only picked up again once Catholic church started to weaken.
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432
    I see some folks just can't help themselves...
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