...mismanagement leading to collected 362M in crowdfunding.
Goss mismanagement indeed.
No it is Gross mismanagement because if they can't push out a game for that much cash, I don't know what else to call it. That and pushing back the end point in development just to get more cash is just gross.
No it is Gross mismanagement because if they can't push out a game for that much cash, I don't know what else to call it.
...your impatience? ...your ignorance? ...your unsubstantial expectations? etc. etc.
Make your pick, I can come up with couple more if needed...
The many broken promise dates, been quite a few of those for sure.
The inability to publish a road map to completion for not one, but two games?
Eight plus years with no end in sight....
Takes less time to design, build and land a Rover on Mars? (Including flight time even!) An example of a well managed project, quite the opposite of Star Citizen.
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No it is Gross mismanagement because if they can't push out a game for that much cash, I don't know what else to call it.
...your impatience? ...your ignorance? ...your unsubstantial expectations? etc. etc.
Make your pick, I can come up with couple more if needed...
Sorry, take of the Rose Coloured glasses to really see what is going on with SC. One could call it a bait and switch, or many other scam names.
Your ignorance - DEFINITELY YES.
Impatience? ROFL
The rest, it is too funny.
I mean Toy Story 4 cost roughly 190 million dollars and that included WRITING the software to make the movie. For the amount of money that CS has currently raised, they should be hitting it out of the park. Instead with mis-managment, arrogance from Chris Roberts, and generally nothing else.
I mean Toy Story 4 cost roughly 190 million dollars and that included WRITING the software to make the movie. For the amount of money that CS has currently raised, they should be hitting it out of the park. Instead with mis-managment, arrogance from Chris Roberts, and generally nothing else.
What bothered me the most is the sheer volume of people being taken to the cleaners (so to speak).
I used the past tense bothered because at this point anyone still falling for this deserves to be taught a hard life lesson. *a snake oil salesmen will always be there to rob you if you let them
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No it is Gross mismanagement because if they can't push out a game for that much cash, I don't know what else to call it.
...your impatience? ...your ignorance? ...your unsubstantial expectations? etc. etc.
Make your pick, I can come up with couple more if needed...
The many broken promise dates, been quite a few of those for sure.
The inability to publish a road map to completion for not one, but two games?
Eight plus years with no end in sight....
Takes less time to design, build and land a Rover on Mars? (Including flight time even!) An example of a well managed project, quite the opposite of Star Citizen.
I can go on....
SC is obviously much more complicated than building a prop and filming in the desert...
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
You effectively can't mention other video-game who can compare with what the Star Citizen alpha already provides in terms of gameplay, scale and graphical fidelity. And why is that? Because it's not easy, if it was, studios with more funding, manpower and experience than CIG would have done it by now.
While your bringing up Mars landings or Hollywood movies you're ignoring that most Crowdfunded MMORPG's have been delayed likewise and have changed plans along the way. Just like many other games from established studios have.
But because you're so much confortable being angry and bitter you choose to ignore the simple facts of the gaming industry, which year after year showcase that rushing a game out is detrimental to quality and than delaying for the sake of making something better shouldn't be frowned upon just because some entitled snowflakes get too impatient and obsessed with a particular video-game.
Just because angry because you have nothing to play doesn't mean you should be spending time lashing out at dev's or game companies making the games the way they want to make them. It's their games, if all you're bringing to the table are toxic remarks and e-crying because "it's not there yet" you're irrelevant.
No it is Gross mismanagement because if they can't push out a game for that much cash, I don't know what else to call it.
...your impatience? ...your ignorance? ...your unsubstantial expectations? etc. etc.
Make your pick, I can come up with couple more if needed...
The many broken promise dates, been quite a few of those for sure.
The inability to publish a road map to completion for not one, but two games?
Eight plus years with no end in sight....
Takes less time to design, build and land a Rover on Mars? (Including flight time even!) An example of a well managed project, quite the opposite of Star Citizen.
I can go on....
SC is obviously much more complicated than building a prop and filming in the desert...
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Well to be honest the biggest problem with this project was featurecreep. The keep meeting goals and to justify more money they added features. Then they stopped adding features and then started just adding ships. I am currently on my second PC since I backed this game and I am not sure I wont have to buy another to just play it if it ever officially releases. The big thing they need to do is take a hard look at what is promised and decide what needs to be cut/shelved. They can add features at a later date but to keep taking money from people even if willing is just wrong. When they proposed the game they said they need X amount of money and time. The added features where supposed to be covered with stretch money. If this was pretty much any other company and/or game when would have either scrapped, release or fired the people in charge. They are willing to keep fleecing people to keep it going. I have the same opinion of most of the other crowdfunded games but they are just not to this extent. I just keep wondering if they are not more afraid of the game not making enough money if released. they sold a crapload of copies and ships so they are not going to get a huge bump in sales at release like most games.
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
You effectively can't mention other video-game who can compare with what the Star Citizen alpha already provides in terms of gameplay, scale and graphical fidelity. And why is that? Because it's not easy, if it was, studios with more funding, manpower and experience than CIG would have done it by now.
While your bringing up Mars landings or Hollywood movies you're ignoring that most Crowdfunded MMORPG's have been delayed likewise and have changed plans along the way. Just like many other games from established studios have.
But because you're so much confortable being angry and bitter you choose to ignore the simple facts of the gaming industry, which year after year showcase that rushing a game out is detrimental to quality and than delaying for the sake of making something better shouldn't be frowned upon just because some entitled snowflakes get too impatient and obsessed with a particular video-game.
Just because angry because you have nothing to play doesn't mean you should be spending time lashing out at dev's or game companies making the games the way they want to make them. It's their games, if all you're bringing to the table are toxic remarks and e-crying because "it's not there yet" you're irrelevant.
We are neither bitter or angry, in fact are actually enjoying the show.
In what world 8 plus years with no end in sight can be considered reasonable for most any project, software or otherwise, I dunno?
Sure, maybe building a new dam or digging the Suez canal, but video game software, please....
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Well to be honest the biggest problem with this project was featurecreep. The keep meeting goals and to justify more money they added features. Then they stopped adding features and then started just adding ships. I am currently on my second PC since I backed this game and I am not sure I wont have to buy another to just play it if it ever officially releases. The big thing they need to do is take a hard look at what is promised and decide what needs to be cut/shelved. They can add features at a later date but to keep taking money from people even if willing is just wrong. When they proposed the game they said they need X amount of money and time. The added features where supposed to be covered with stretch money. If this was pretty much any other company and/or game when would have either scrapped, release or fired the people in charge. They are willing to keep fleecing people to keep it going. I have the same opinion of most of the other crowdfunded games but they are just not to this extent. I just keep wondering if they are not more afraid of the game not making enough money if released. they sold a crapload of copies and ships so they are not going to get a huge bump in sales at release like most games.
Actually no feature creep isn't the reason why it's taking so long, it's simply because the gameplay they want at the scale they want with the graphical fidelity they want hasn't been done before. So all the technology to make these things a reality have to be created from the ground up. They are pushing tech so that they make a seamless online universe for hundreds of thousands of players to share, without loading screens, instances while retaining AAA+ graphical fidelity at a universal scale. Most studios stick to Open Worlds (GTA5 and RDR2 online worlds are capped at 32 players) CIG is doing a hand crafted Open Universe for hundreds of thousands with multiple planets, races, lore etc. All while doing a Single-Player campaign game at the same time it keeps engaging with it's community while running a playable live build which gets updated regularly.
If you take a look at other crowdfunded mmorpgs they too are still years behind their kickstarter "ETA" despite not adding any "new features" or selling "new ships to build old ones".
It's just the nature of being a new studio and doing something for the first time, there's a lot more trial and error which inevitably is impossible to predict how much it will cost and how much time it will take to accomplish.
We are neither bitter or angry, in fact are actually enjoying the show. In what world 8 plus years with no end in sight can be considered reasonable for most any project, software or otherwise, I dunno? Sure, maybe building a new dam or digging the Suez canal, but video game software, please....
But you guys are the show lol! All that ignorance about game development and obsession is the only thing that's out of the ordinary.
If you weren't so busy hating on Star Citizen you'd have noticed by now that many of the great video-games released in the last decades were possible because their studios worked and iterated on technology for many many years before they become possible. They just did so mostly in secret without announcing in advance what they were doing or communicating their progress week in week out.
Overwatch from Blizzard is the remains of what was once before project Titan, World of Warcraft was only possible because of the work done in the engine which started many years before it was even in production. Ubisoft's been working on the BeyondGoodEvil2 concept for more than a decade by now, Elite: Dangerous originated from work done for Elite:4 which was talked as way back in 2007. GTA5 released back in 2013, GTA6 is still yet to be announced. Same for Bethesdas, Skyrim sequel. Cyberpunk is going for 8 years, same time it took RedRedemption2.
These are all games with a smaller scope and scale than what CIG is developing with Star Citizen. From established companies with decades of experience, studios and deep pockets. If they can take their sweet time so can CIG as delays are just an inevitable consequence of making ambitious games. Doesn't matter which studio or dev team and how much money you'd assemble, if anyone tried to make a game like Star Citizen they would run into the same issues CIG has and some more.
It's that simple, if it was easy to pull off a game like Star Citizen someone else would have done it by now. Yet, here we are! With the best option to play a game like Star Citizen being the Star Citizen alpha.
Which is why, that after all these years, the company still keeps getting more players, funding and updates every year. Rinse & Repeat.
Trust me, all you are the show. It's like rabid outrageous religious zealot types, it's mind bending, entertaining mind you, that you all take the belief so far?
Fighting anything negative no matter how minor, the acceptance, confidence is so powerful with no shred of mistrust towards CR/SC is staggering, is what makes it so entertaining.
If i had to guess, the fact really is that you all dumped such a monstrous, stupid af amount of money at this that, pure belief is all you have left.
As long as the hope for you is there right... one day i'd hope you all can return to reality, but this myth will never end so... maybe not.
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
While Valve did start to lose patience with some developers, DayZ being the biggest culprit, they don't really do much to enforce it. I do think they would be unlikely to accept SC in it's current state. It simply doesn't have enough meat on the bones and would be a PR nightmare. Especially with how unoptimized the engine is.
Now if SQ42 had at least a partially playable campaign then sure that standalone game would be a perfect option for Early Access.
Isn't it astonishing that the Roadmap for this futuristic resembles a dirt road than anything that you'd want to drive on in the future? Not even your off-road vehicle.
Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion argument.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Presenting facts and other reality's of game development of several other studios and games is not being a zealot or a "fighting" negativity! Just because it exposes the flaws in the logic of people who've clearly have little knowledge about the subject at hand and haven't put much thought about it.
You're inability to accept the fact that you don't know enough about a project you've clearly got no empirical knowledge and much less to form an informed and viable opinion or theory leaves you with the only option to resort to more uninformed assumptions in an attempt to bend reality into a line of though that makes sense to you.
That's why instead of acknowledging and discussing the issue at hand and (like the several mentioned examples of games and companies who've also spent many years working on other projects) and giving your insight you needed to leap beyond reasoning and logic and straight into an line of thought of assumption that I've dumped a "monstrous" amount of money into the game (which I haven't, unless you consider ~200$ throughout 6 years a "monstrous" amount) therefore any facts and points presented are irrelevant even if they rip to shreds the many uninformed and ignorant conspiracy theory's are mostly nurtured from a deep negativity bias and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.
Presenting facts and other reality's of game development of several other studios and games is not being a zealot or a "fighting" negativity! Just because it exposes the flaws in the logic of people who've clearly have little knowledge about the subject at had and haven't put much thought about it.
You're inability to accept the fact that you don't know enough about a project you've clearly got no empirical knowledge and much less to form an informed and viable opinion or theory leaves you with the only option to resort to more uninformed assumptions in an attempt to bend reality into a line of though that makes sense to you.
That's why instead of acknowledging and discussing the issue at hand and (like the several mentioned examples of games and companies who've also spent many years working on other projects) and giving your insight you needed to leap beyond reasoning and logic and straight into an line of thought of assumption that I've dumped a "monstrous" amount of money into the game (which I haven't, unless you consider ~200$ throughout 6 years a "monstrous" amount) therefore any facts and points presented are irrelevant even if they rip to shreds the many uninformed and ignorant conspiracy theory's are mostly nurtured from a deep negativity bias and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.
Case in point! Thank you very much.
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
Lets all take a moment to enjoy this hypocrisy.
Do I have to make you a drawing too lol? The topic is about a video-game and it's development, I brought examples of video-games and their development. Bringing Mars landings or movie productions are unrelated subjects to video-gaming. Try to keep up.
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
Lets all take a moment to enjoy this hypocrisy.
Do I have to make you a drawing too lol? The topic is about a video-game and it's development, I brought examples of video-games and their development. Bringing Mars landings or movie productions are unrelated subjects to video-gaming. Try to keep up.
You may want to investigate 'Argument by Analogy'. It seems to be a pretty popular way to understand and explain things.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
Lets all take a moment to enjoy this hypocrisy.
Do I have to make you a drawing too lol? The topic is about a video-game and it's development, I brought examples of video-games and their development. Bringing Mars landings or movie productions are unrelated subjects to video-gaming. Try to keep up.
You may want to investigate 'Argument by Analogy'. It seems to be a pretty popular way to understand and explain things.
The term you're looking for "False Analogy". Recurrent in people who don't grasp enough of the subject at hand.
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
Lets all take a moment to enjoy this hypocrisy.
Do I have to make you a drawing too lol? The topic is about a video-game and it's development, I brought examples of video-games and their development. Bringing Mars landings or movie productions are unrelated subjects to video-gaming. Try to keep up.
Yes, please and when you are doing it, throw in some charts with data thats totally relevant for determining how well the project is managed like...I dont know...the number of twitch streamers.
Its hard to keep up with you. Not everyone is so proficient in mental gymnastics .
It's up to you to bring up the contender to each you'll comparing Star Citizen against lol. For it's backers, supporters and players who've been enjoying playing and backing, it's clear that there's still no other game available that ticks all the boxes of gameplay variety, graphical quality, scale and immersion in a rich and seamless online universe. As much as it pains the haters, The increasing funding and player engagement throughout the years is just a simple reflection of that.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The fact that you guys have to keep bringing up unrelated projects to compare with Star Citizen should tell you all you need to know.
You effectively can't mention other video-game who can compare with what the Star Citizen alpha already provides in terms of gameplay, scale and graphical fidelity. And why is that? Because it's not easy, if it was, studios with more funding, manpower and experience than CIG would have done it by now.
While your bringing up Mars landings or Hollywood movies you're ignoring that most Crowdfunded MMORPG's have been delayed likewise and have changed plans along the way. Just like many other games from established studios have.
But because you're so much confortable being angry and bitter you choose to ignore the simple facts of the gaming industry, which year after year showcase that rushing a game out is detrimental to quality and than delaying for the sake of making something better shouldn't be frowned upon just because some entitled snowflakes get too impatient and obsessed with a particular video-game.
Just because angry because you have nothing to play doesn't mean you should be spending time lashing out at dev's or game companies making the games the way they want to make them. It's their games, if all you're bringing to the table are toxic remarks and e-crying because "it's not there yet" you're irrelevant.
We are neither bitter or angry, in fact are actually enjoying the show.
In what world 8 plus years with no end in sight can be considered reasonable for most any project, software or otherwise, I dunno?
Sure, maybe building a new dam or digging the Suez canal, but video game software, please....
The Suez Canal only cost 100 million to make, more than double the original budget
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...your ignorance?
...your unsubstantial expectations?
etc.
etc.
Make your pick, I can come up with couple more if needed...
The inability to publish a road map to completion for not one, but two games?
Eight plus years with no end in sight....
Takes less time to design, build and land a Rover on Mars? (Including flight time even!) An example of a well managed project, quite the opposite of Star Citizen.
I can go on....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Sorry, take of the Rose Coloured glasses to really see what is going on with SC. One could call it a bait and switch, or many other scam names.
Your ignorance - DEFINITELY YES.
Impatience? ROFL
The rest, it is too funny.
I mean Toy Story 4 cost roughly 190 million dollars and that included WRITING the software to make the movie. For the amount of money that CS has currently raised, they should be hitting it out of the park. Instead with mis-managment, arrogance from Chris Roberts, and generally nothing else.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
In what world 8 plus years with no end in sight can be considered reasonable for most any project, software or otherwise, I dunno?
Sure, maybe building a new dam or digging the Suez canal, but video game software, please....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Now if SQ42 had at least a partially playable campaign then sure that standalone game would be a perfect option for Early Access.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Case in point! Thank you very much.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
It's up to you to bring up the contender to each you'll comparing Star Citizen against lol. For it's backers, supporters and players who've been enjoying playing and backing, it's clear that there's still no other game available that ticks all the boxes of gameplay variety, graphical quality, scale and immersion in a rich and seamless online universe. As much as it pains the haters, The increasing funding and player engagement throughout the years is just a simple reflection of that.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee