It is not as if bugs and performance issues never existed before CP 2077 came out, so I think any outrage is rather overwrought. But this is why those of us who don't pre-order or CF have that attitude. We will play a far better game down the line, why bang your head against a wall now?
When it comes to the consoles, are we going to let old consoles chain the graphics and gameplay of gaming to the past? Let this be the reason you get a new console or even better a decent gaming PC. Are they responsible if it does not work to well on old consoles when they said it would, sure get your money back or get a new machine, your choice.
Finally when it comes to the actual review I am expecting a 9.0, if the likes of Genshin Impact can get that this deserves the same!
This is like buying a game for the Gameboy, and wondering why it doesn't look like the N64 version.
7 year old hardware just can't handle the density of this game.
People frequently like to use Red Dead 2, Ghosts of Tsushima, and TLoU2 as examples of games that look pretty, and run okay on a base last gen console, but other than them being open world, they share almost no similarities.
2 of those games only needed to work on PS4 base, and PS4 pro making it a lot easier to develop within those boundaries,
Their worlds have minimal interactivity in them. a few chests, or supply pick up spots per location, when your character moves through tall grass the ones in your immediate area will kind of move based on character position.
and there is a stark difference in density. Those other games you have 3-16 NPC's max before you start to see drastic performance deficits on base consoles. If you go into Saint Denis on a base PS4 you're gonna have a bad time.
If you bunched up these games to have similar density to Cyberpunk 2077, your base Playstation will commit seppeku.
I have played the game on my son's base PS4, my PS4pro, and my computer, and the Base console barely runs it. I have bugs, but they haven't prevented progress in the 25 hours I got on it, and only 2 crashes.
On the Pro it runs significantly better than the base PS4. You get a few more NPC's on the screen at a time, there is texture pop in, hard locks, and I had 1 crash when I went to see the Ripperdoc. I played on this version for almost 30 hours.
on PC it runs crazy good. I have it installed on my SSD. I have an R9 390 from AMD, 16gb of ram, and a 6 core processor by AMD. So I would guess a lower mid line machine, and I can run the game at 60fps on high settings. I haven't had any bugs, or any crashes in 18 hours of play so far.
I think the main issue people are having, is that the next generation of consoles is as large of graphical leap forward as previous generations, so to someone who doesn't know anything about hardware specifications, and bottle necks is going to point at games that "Look great" on an OG PS4, without having a frame of reference.
When more people adopt the next gen consoles, I think a lot of opinions will change in regard to Cyberpunk. From what I have noticed, it seems like the game needs an SSD to run at it's best. By the time the adoption numbers for next gen are higher, they will have made Cyberpunk serviceable enough on base PS4 to where it will run comparable to most other games of that generation.
I do think the base consoles have hamstrung the development, and progression of video games for about 4 years, and I am so glad that we are almost to the point of putting it on the shelf. I love the PS4, but these last 3 or 4 years have been painful, from games that crash for no reason, to the 2-5 minute load screens.
If you don't want to wait for patches, get a refund. They had said back in October that the game would have issues, and that they would be working post launch to fix them, add content, and improve performance, and they stated that again yesterday.
Any articles, or web content beyond that just seems like click baiting.
You make it sound like last gen console gamers are at fault for a crap version of a game released for last gen consoles? That is a terrible stance and one that even CDPR does not share.
SVP of business development, Michał Nowakowski:
"....Nowakowski seems to imply that the company simply didn't realise how broken some versions of the game were: "It is more about us looking – as was previously stated – at the PC and next-gen performance rather than current-gen. We definitely did not spend enough time looking at that."
As part of the same line of questioning, the board was asked how the game passed certification on Xbox and PlayStation, which appears to come down to trust from the console companies. "In terms of the certification process and the third parties," Nowakowski explained, "this is definitely on our side. I can only assume that they trusted that we’re going to fix things upon release, and that obviously did not come together exactly as we had planned."
Fans can stand in denial all they want to but CDPR is openly admitting they did not meet expectations, on any platform.
From what we have seen here I don't think you can say it has not met expectations on the PC. I don't want the future of gaming to be determined by old consoles, do you? They offered a refund, what more do you what them to do, set fire to themselves?
This is the sort of outrage level we had with Anthem and FO76, which puzzles me as this game seems far more play ready.
lol
Once again you are usually more informative in your replies, don't go all Gdemami on us.
It is not as if bugs and performance issues never existed before CP 2077 came out, so I think any outrage is rather overwrought. But this is why those of us who don't pre-order or CF have that attitude. We will play a far better game down the line, why bang your head against a wall now?
When it comes to the consoles, are we going to let old consoles chain the graphics and gameplay of gaming to the past? Let this be the reason you get a new console or even better a decent gaming PC. Are they responsible if it does not work to well on old consoles when they said it would, sure get your money back or get a new machine, your choice.
Finally when it comes to the actual review I am expecting a 9.0, if the likes of Genshin Impact can get that this deserves the same!
This is like buying a game for the Gameboy, and wondering why it doesn't look like the N64 version.
7 year old hardware just can't handle the density of this game.
People frequently like to use Red Dead 2, Ghosts of Tsushima, and TLoU2 as examples of games that look pretty, and run okay on a base last gen console, but other than them being open world, they share almost no similarities.
2 of those games only needed to work on PS4 base, and PS4 pro making it a lot easier to develop within those boundaries,
Their worlds have minimal interactivity in them. a few chests, or supply pick up spots per location, when your character moves through tall grass the ones in your immediate area will kind of move based on character position.
and there is a stark difference in density. Those other games you have 3-16 NPC's max before you start to see drastic performance deficits on base consoles. If you go into Saint Denis on a base PS4 you're gonna have a bad time.
If you bunched up these games to have similar density to Cyberpunk 2077, your base Playstation will commit seppeku.
I have played the game on my son's base PS4, my PS4pro, and my computer, and the Base console barely runs it. I have bugs, but they haven't prevented progress in the 25 hours I got on it, and only 2 crashes.
On the Pro it runs significantly better than the base PS4. You get a few more NPC's on the screen at a time, there is texture pop in, hard locks, and I had 1 crash when I went to see the Ripperdoc. I played on this version for almost 30 hours.
on PC it runs crazy good. I have it installed on my SSD. I have an R9 390 from AMD, 16gb of ram, and a 6 core processor by AMD. So I would guess a lower mid line machine, and I can run the game at 60fps on high settings. I haven't had any bugs, or any crashes in 18 hours of play so far.
I think the main issue people are having, is that the next generation of consoles is as large of graphical leap forward as previous generations, so to someone who doesn't know anything about hardware specifications, and bottle necks is going to point at games that "Look great" on an OG PS4, without having a frame of reference.
When more people adopt the next gen consoles, I think a lot of opinions will change in regard to Cyberpunk. From what I have noticed, it seems like the game needs an SSD to run at it's best. By the time the adoption numbers for next gen are higher, they will have made Cyberpunk serviceable enough on base PS4 to where it will run comparable to most other games of that generation.
I do think the base consoles have hamstrung the development, and progression of video games for about 4 years, and I am so glad that we are almost to the point of putting it on the shelf. I love the PS4, but these last 3 or 4 years have been painful, from games that crash for no reason, to the 2-5 minute load screens.
If you don't want to wait for patches, get a refund. They had said back in October that the game would have issues, and that they would be working post launch to fix them, add content, and improve performance, and they stated that again yesterday.
Any articles, or web content beyond that just seems like click baiting.
You make it sound like last gen console gamers are at fault for a crap version of a game released for last gen consoles? That is a terrible stance and one that even CDPR does not share.
SVP of business development, Michał Nowakowski:
"....Nowakowski seems to imply that the company simply didn't realise how broken some versions of the game were: "It is more about us looking – as was previously stated – at the PC and next-gen performance rather than current-gen. We definitely did not spend enough time looking at that."
As part of the same line of questioning, the board was asked how the game passed certification on Xbox and PlayStation, which appears to come down to trust from the console companies. "In terms of the certification process and the third parties," Nowakowski explained, "this is definitely on our side. I can only assume that they trusted that we’re going to fix things upon release, and that obviously did not come together exactly as we had planned."
Fans can stand in denial all they want to but CDPR is openly admitting they did not meet expectations, on any platform.
From what we have seen here I don't think you can say it has not met expectations on the PC. I don't want the future of gaming to be determined by old consoles, do you? They offered a refund, what more do you what them to do, set fire to themselves?
This is the sort of outrage level we had with Anthem and FO76, which puzzles me as this game seems far more play ready.
Dude, I played Anthem on PS4. And aside from the crashing issue that lasted a few days, that actually looked and mostly ran like a current gen game on the platform. The main problem was loading times.
This is a whole other level. Cyberpunk has 20+ second texture loads, disappearing NPCs, terrible frame rates, and has NPCs that straight up look like N64 textures on the consoles.
Anthem is a better launch than this, and that's fucking pathetic, because Anthem was not a good launch.
And this game was announced before the current gen consoles were. It was made with these consoles in mind and sold on these consoles. It doesn't even have a next gen upgrade available yet. Fuck off with that not letting old hardware guide gaming nonsense. This was never a next gen game.
They apologized, you can get a refund. Not really sure what MORE people want from them.
The media be is social, broadcaster, paper or forums needs drama, this story followed a classic format: It was going to be the best thing ever, a company with a string of huge hits, the most awaited title in years. It has launched, it is the best game ever.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
Best game ever? Mate, as is, it's not even the best RPG this year (a year that has seen Wasteland 3 and FF7R), let alone the best game this year.
I should point out that the words I chose were based on the sort of media hype we get, be it positive or negative. So no, it is not the best game ever, but in the run up to launch and just post launch that's how the media was selling it. Currently it is "the worst launch ever" to be followed by the "best bug patch ever" and so on.
Dude, I played Anthem on PS4. And aside from the crashing issue that lasted a few days, that actually looked and mostly ran like a current gen game on the platform. The main problem was loading times.
This is a whole other level. Cyberpunk has 20+ second texture loads, disappearing NPCs, terrible frame rates, and has NPCs that straight up look like N64 textures on the consoles.
Anthem is a better launch than this, and that's fucking pathetic, because Anthem was not a good launch.
And this game was announced before the current gen consoles were. It was made with these consoles in mind and sold on these consoles. It doesn't even have a next gen upgrade available yet. Fuck off with that not letting old hardware guide gaming nonsense. This was never a next gen game.
If you can calm down for a moment, I see it is a fair point that they were originally made with old consoles in mind, those guys can get a refund, call this Early Access for them.
But that does not change what I said about gaming being chained to old consoles and if you think that's because I am a PC fan, it goes for new consoles too, old stuff holds you back. If it was never a next gen game how come it only works well on next gen consoles and decent gaming PC's?
They apologized, you can get a refund. Not really sure what MORE people want from them.
The media be is social, broadcaster, paper or forums needs drama, this story followed a classic format: It was going to be the best thing ever, a company with a string of huge hits, the most awaited title in years. It has launched, it is the best game ever.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
Best game ever? Mate, as is, it's not even the best RPG this year (a year that has seen Wasteland 3 and FF7R), let alone the best game this year.
I should point out that the words I chose were based on the sort of media hype we get, be it positive or negative. So no, it is not the best game ever, but in the run up to launch and just post launch that's how the media was selling it.
No, that's how we the gamers, as well as popular youtubers were selling it. Make no mistake - this sold as well as it did entirely on CDPR's good name.
They apologized, you can get a refund. Not really sure what MORE people want from them.
The media be is social, broadcaster, paper or forums needs drama, this story followed a classic format: It was going to be the best thing ever, a company with a string of huge hits, the most awaited title in years. It has launched, it is the best game ever.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
Best game ever? Mate, as is, it's not even the best RPG this year (a year that has seen Wasteland 3 and FF7R), let alone the best game this year.
I should point out that the words I chose were based on the sort of media hype we get, be it positive or negative. So no, it is not the best game ever, but in the run up to launch and just post launch that's how the media was selling it.
No, that's how we the gamers, as well as popular youtubers were selling it. Make no mistake - this sold as well as it did entirely on CDPR's good name.
As you may know I do not follow games that much in development so I always make very qualified statements about them, as we just don't know what we will get until it launches. To me, CP 2077 looked good, and I love the lore of that genre, even if it is now terribly overused. I think I said more on our threads about the old CP table top roleplaying game.
I do think its fans which feed too much on joyous expectation and crushed dreams, but it is the gaming media that promotes all that. We have talked before about how a companies reputation is not a given, not sure anyone takes a blind bit of notice mind you.
The only concern I have is that players get their refunds if they don't want to wait for the game to get better, this does not have to be an easy process like Remsleep suggests it should be, as long as they eventually get them CDPR have kept their promise.
Aside from the fact that CDPR seems to have been dishonest in this case and that the customers have a point, the real issue here is how players MUST play the game on day 1. I MUST HAVE IT BEFORE THEM. Why the fuck is that important? Just wait two weeks and you can make your informed decision.
This is just total lack of resistance to advertisement.
Aside from the fact that CDPR seems to have been dishonest in this case and that the customers have a point, the real issue here is how players MUST play the game on day 1. I MUST HAVE IT BEFORE THEM. Why the fuck is that important? Just wait two weeks and you can make your informed decision.
This is just total lack of resistance to advertisement.
Ah, the gaming industry. The one industry where victim blaming isn't just a thing when it comes to defective and falsely advertised products - it's the norm.
CDPR in full damage control mode but their answers are so laughably bad, I mean does anyone believe that they didnt realize the state of the game?
of course they did, but since last time they pushed back launch, they kinda are fearfull of people burning they work places now so off you go lol
serious though I was hoping for a new push back, I knew this would happen, the moment I read they saying for people don't stream or who in game fotage till after launch was a pretty given, the game would be bugged, less bugged then a ubisoft or bethesda game but close
Buy!
Play!
Enjoy!
Whine!
Ask for refund! (and whine more)
honnestly, it's a hard time to see a game without this frame...
i see ppl putting a flat 00/100 on metacritic, this resume the situation
Agree, and it's not new either, but wasn't for everything.
I remember a rare moment i'm sure. The first few years of EQ2, forums, even EQ2 flames was all gushing and thanking the devs for their efforts, systems, qol additions, features, and content, nothing but gratitude and happy players,, then yeah... wow happened.
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
TL;DR - Consumers should be careful, but that doesn't excuse lying deceptive marketing hype.
Meh i think already answered my own question thinking about it a little but here it is anyway, who really is responsible for the hyperbole? i mean omfg right,,, time, after time, after time, after time it's a utter disaster, yet then you have this game never heard about or very little and BOOOOOOM greatest fucking game of all time.
It's like a law of nature, the bigger the hype train the bigger the disaster, never heard about it, it's awesome.
The company starts it and the rabid fans take it from there much like SC, except they're just riding the hype train for as along as possible and will never be released, but my gawd the lost souls fighting everyone about how great the game is, what game lmao, i mean i completely understand that cults are real and that people truly do fall for things like that. It's always been of great complexity to me that people will fall in to a cult, i mean it's unfathomable to me, there is nothing i could understand less than that, yet, then i read SC fanboy posts and yeah, ok i get it.
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
From what we have seen here I don't think you can say it has not met expectations on the PC. I don't want the future of gaming to be determined by old consoles, do you? They offered a refund, what more do you what them to do, set fire to themselves?
This is the sort of outrage level we had with Anthem and FO76, which puzzles me as this game seems far more play ready.
Umm it totally hasn't met expectations for PC or any version - I have a post listing the things they promised prior to launch vs things they actually launched.
They lied, witheld information, forced media to only use CDPR footage before game launch - pushed the broken unfinished game prior to Xmas sales to make $$$
CDPR knew 100% what they were doing and they said - fuck it - $$$$ > all - screw the players - launch a broken game!
Many people are unable to get refunds - and this is exactly what they were hoping for.
This entire thing is purely about money > all for CDPR - fucking disgrace
This! The whole we offer refunds is just another SCAM by CD Project Red! They damn well know that people who bought a physical copy won't get refunds, since stores don't have such policy in place for Physical copies. Gamestop was the only store around here that bought games back and sell them used. They are bankrupt and gone.
No other stores around here do that. They only sell new fully sealed boxed games.
I actually tried returning the game today and they flat out refused! I showed them the message from CD Project Red and they could care less, as CD Project Red needs to send an official notice to the stores for them to be compensated for taking these games back and offer refunds, since they cannot sell these games anymore, as the seal is broken on the boxes!
No, that's how we the gamers, as well as popular youtubers were selling it. Make no mistake - this sold as well as it did entirely on CDPR's good name.
Wait, what? Popular YouTubers were selling the game?
Fun fact: the English word for a social media "influencer" comes from the same Latin root as "influenza".
TL;DR - Consumers should be careful, but that doesn't excuse lying deceptive marketing hype.
Meh i think already answered my own question thinking about it a little but here it is anyway, who really is responsible for the hyperbole? i mean omfg right,,, time, after time, after time, after time it's a utter disaster, yet then you have this game never heard about or very little and BOOOOOOM greatest fucking game of all time.
It's like a law of nature, the bigger the hype train the bigger the disaster, never heard about it, it's awesome.
The company starts it and the rabid fans take it from there much like SC, except they're just riding the hype train for as along as possible and will never be released, but my gawd the lost souls fighting everyone about how great the game is, what game lmao, i mean i completely understand that cults are real and that people truly do fall for things like that. It's always been of great complexity to me that people will fall in to a cult, i mean it's unfathomable to me, there is nothing i could understand less than that, yet, then i read SC fanboy posts and yeah, ok i get it.
Nice unicorn but Star Citizen Hype has nothing to do with the hype of Cyberpunk or NMS.
Star Citizen has been sharing it's development from inception along with providing a playable build since 2013 AND running Free Fly Events every year.
Everyone Hyped for it has absolutely palpable justification for it just like everyone buying into it. Just because you're but-hurt for not being able to run Next-Gen games doesn't mean your grief has merit, still....
Until "games journalists" and the associated media grow a collective pair of balls and tell these companies "No, we will NOT review or promote your game before it launches to customers with any type of embargo or restrictions." then this will keep happening. I'm not holding my breath for that since there isn't enough vertebrae amongst every "games journalist" combined to make a single spine. There needs to be a hard stand taken with this across all media. You want embargoes and restrictions, Mr. AAA Game Studio Executive? Nope.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
It is not as if bugs and performance issues never existed before CP 2077 came out, so I think any outrage is rather overwrought. But this is why those of us who don't pre-order or CF have that attitude. We will play a far better game down the line, why bang your head against a wall now?
When it comes to the consoles, are we going to let old consoles chain the graphics and gameplay of gaming to the past? Let this be the reason you get a new console or even better a decent gaming PC. Are they responsible if it does not work to well on old consoles when they said it would, sure get your money back or get a new machine, your choice.
Finally when it comes to the actual review I am expecting a 9.0, if the likes of Genshin Impact can get that this deserves the same!
This is like buying a game for the Gameboy, and wondering why it doesn't look like the N64 version.
7 year old hardware just can't handle the density of this game.
People frequently like to use Red Dead 2, Ghosts of Tsushima, and TLoU2 as examples of games that look pretty, and run okay on a base last gen console, but other than them being open world, they share almost no similarities.
2 of those games only needed to work on PS4 base, and PS4 pro making it a lot easier to develop within those boundaries,
Their worlds have minimal interactivity in them. a few chests, or supply pick up spots per location, when your character moves through tall grass the ones in your immediate area will kind of move based on character position.
and there is a stark difference in density. Those other games you have 3-16 NPC's max before you start to see drastic performance deficits on base consoles. If you go into Saint Denis on a base PS4 you're gonna have a bad time.
I have only base ps4 and never had a bad time in Saint Denis.
TL;DR - Consumers should be careful, but that doesn't excuse lying deceptive marketing hype.
Meh i think already answered my own question thinking about it a little but here it is anyway, who really is responsible for the hyperbole? i mean omfg right,,, time, after time, after time, after time it's a utter disaster, yet then you have this game never heard about or very little and BOOOOOOM greatest fucking game of all time.
It's like a law of nature, the bigger the hype train the bigger the disaster, never heard about it, it's awesome.
The company starts it and the rabid fans take it from there much like SC, except they're just riding the hype train for as along as possible and will never be released, but my gawd the lost souls fighting everyone about how great the game is, what game lmao, i mean i completely understand that cults are real and that people truly do fall for things like that. It's always been of great complexity to me that people will fall in to a cult, i mean it's unfathomable to me, there is nothing i could understand less than that, yet, then i read SC fanboy posts and yeah, ok i get it.
Nice unicorn but Star Citizen Hype has nothing to do with the hype of Cyberpunk or NMS.
Star Citizen has been sharing it's development from inception along with providing a playable build since 2013 AND running Free Fly Events every year.
Everyone Hyped for it has absolutely palpable justification for it just like everyone buying into it. Just because you're but-hurt for not being able to run Next-Gen games doesn't mean your grief has merit, still....
nice unicorn.
There you are, was wondering when you'd show up, your dark little heart chortling with glee at yet another botched up AAA release you can point to in the SC defense war chest.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
CDPR in full damage control mode but their answers are so laughably bad, I mean does anyone believe that they didnt realize the state of the game?
Agreed.
There is no excuse.
They are not new to this industry.
They are not a small indie team.
They knew exactly what they were releasing.
Err, not to disagree with an industry "insider" but haven't you ever released code you knew wasn't up to snuff, but gambled on being able to fix (or hide) it before too many noticed, most especially your bosses? (Or at least seen teams who have)
I recall this one time where we had to deliver a release with a bunch of new features a couple of big telcos asked for as the company could bill them immediately upon shipment.
Not deployment mind you, major telcos don't just install new software on a whim, has to be thoroughly tested before moving to production.
Failure to ship on time wasn't an option, (firm was on much shakier financial footing than we knew) so our local manager had us bundle up what we had knowing it was missing features or flat out broken knowing it wasn't going into any test envs for 6 months.
So we shipped it, got paid and fixed it in point patches well before the customer test cycles began and no senior managers were ever the wiser.
But had our bluff been called, someone was going to really pay.
I imagine here the lower level staff well knew the game's shortcomings and most likely never fully revealed it's flaws to senior mgmt, the only version they likely ever saw was the game at its best, on a top end PC and it looked pretty good.
Moreso, the junior staff may have been gambling that the number of base console players who actually exist and would buy this game was far smaller than turned out to be.
After all, technologists tend to keep their hardware far more up to date than the average Joe and can't even fathom that people exist who would still be using five year old consoles and PCs to game on. (I know I still struggle at the idea)
It probably was a communication issue, with senior management not realizing what a shit show they had because everyone below was terrified to tell them the truth.
I've worked for too many years in such punitive work cultures and you'd be surprised how much is never shared with those "outside" of the team, even at same level.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Until "games journalists" and the associated media grow a collective pair of balls and tell these companies "No, we will NOT review or promote your game before it launches to customers with any type of embargo or restrictions." then this will keep happening. I'm not holding my breath for that since there isn't enough vertebrae amongst every "games journalist" combined to make a single spine. There needs to be a hard stand taken with this across all media. You want embargoes and restrictions, Mr. AAA Game Studio Executive? Nope.
That will happen as soon as people who read game reviews take a stand and refuse to read any reviews posted on launch day, preferring instead to read reviews that are posted a few weeks after launch.
Quizzical said: That will happen as soon as people who read game reviews take a stand and refuse to read any reviews posted on launch day, preferring instead to read reviews that are posted a few weeks after launch.
I prefer to wait a couple months and see what actual players are saying and doing, personally. But I do read first day reviews from PC Gamer and IGN for entertainment. Those guys usually follow games pretty hard up until release, so it’s an interesting perspective to glean while I wait for the main course.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a travesty of a game, and this is coming from someone that has put 31 hours into the game at this point. The bugs are numerous, and anyone who is saying they aren't seeing bugs is lying or oblivious. Straight up. These bugs are present on PCs universally, it's not a hardware or software configuration that is causing them. NPCs vanish into thin air (try looking up while in on a crowded street, fire off a non-silenced shot from any weapon and then look back in front of you). If thirty NPCs were walking around, they aren't now. They've totally vanished. Bugs that cause instantaneous death. Hard crashes. Quests not working. T-posing NPCs, or npcs that are gliding around on the ground. A totally broken "wanted system", if you want to call it that. Police literally spawn on you in the middle of nowhere.
Besides all of that, the totally fucking borked console release. You don't have to look around on the internet very hard to see marketing and promised features that got axed or that were talked about and then just didn't materialize in the game. This game needed another six months, maybe eight before being released.
I am one of those that is playing on PC and can truthfully say that I have not had that many bugs. And so far, none of them have been game breaking nor annoying enough to call this game a "travesty". Obviously, others are having issues and for them they could call it a travesty. The worse bug I have had in some 50 hours of play was a disconnect of the player character's camera from his body after leaving a BD sequence. Fortunately, I was able to get past it be loading a game save that happened just prior to entering that BD sequence.
Being a long time PC gamer, I have seen many buggy launches but this one is not the worst. At least for me. That is no consolation to those that are having issues. It just means that I was lucky.
CDPR should have had a staggered release of Cyberpunk 2077. Or released it as PC and NewGen console only. They obviously expanded it well past the ability of the last console's basic version to handle it. Their fault, they're going to have to suck it up.
The game's a little buggy for me, but playable on my PC which has a decent 3 generation old GPU and 5gen back CPU.
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TL;DR - Consumers should be careful, but that doesn't excuse lying deceptive marketing hype.
Meh i think already answered my own question thinking about it a little but here it is anyway, who really is responsible for the hyperbole? i mean omfg right,,, time, after time, after time, after time it's a utter disaster, yet then you have this game never heard about or very little and BOOOOOOM greatest fucking game of all time.
It's like a law of nature, the bigger the hype train the bigger the disaster, never heard about it, it's awesome.
The company starts it and the rabid fans take it from there much like SC, except they're just riding the hype train for as along as possible and will never be released, but my gawd the lost souls fighting everyone about how great the game is, what game lmao, i mean i completely understand that cults are real and that people truly do fall for things like that. It's always been of great complexity to me that people will fall in to a cult, i mean it's unfathomable to me, there is nothing i could understand less than that, yet, then i read SC fanboy posts and yeah, ok i get it.
Nice unicorn but Star Citizen Hype has nothing to do with the hype of Cyberpunk or NMS.
Star Citizen has been sharing it's development from inception along with providing a playable build since 2013 AND running Free Fly Events every year.
Everyone Hyped for it has absolutely palpable justification for it just like everyone buying into it. Just because you're but-hurt for not being able to run Next-Gen games doesn't mean your grief has merit, still....
nice unicorn.
There you are, was wondering when you'd show up, your dark little heart chortling with glee at yet another botched up AAA release you can point to in the SC defense war chest.
Enquiring minds want to know if C2077's elevators are reliably killing anyone? Asking for a friend....
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This is a whole other level. Cyberpunk has 20+ second texture loads, disappearing NPCs, terrible frame rates, and has NPCs that straight up look like N64 textures on the consoles.
Anthem is a better launch than this, and that's fucking pathetic, because Anthem was not a good launch.
And this game was announced before the current gen consoles were. It was made with these consoles in mind and sold on these consoles. It doesn't even have a next gen upgrade available yet. Fuck off with that not letting old hardware guide gaming nonsense. This was never a next gen game.
If you can calm down for a moment, I see it is a fair point that they were originally made with old consoles in mind, those guys can get a refund, call this Early Access for them.
But that does not change what I said about gaming being chained to old consoles and if you think that's because I am a PC fan, it goes for new consoles too, old stuff holds you back. If it was never a next gen game how come it only works well on next gen consoles and decent gaming PC's?
I do think its fans which feed too much on joyous expectation and crushed dreams, but it is the gaming media that promotes all that. We have talked before about how a companies reputation is not a given, not sure anyone takes a blind bit of notice mind you.
The only concern I have is that players get their refunds if they don't want to wait for the game to get better, this does not have to be an easy process like Remsleep suggests it should be, as long as they eventually get them CDPR have kept their promise.
Play!
Enjoy!
Whine!
Ask for refund! (and whine more)
honnestly, it's a hard time to see a game without this frame...
i see ppl putting a flat 00/100 on metacritic, this resume the situation
Gamestop was the only store around here that bought games back and sell them used. They are bankrupt and gone.
No other stores around here do that. They only sell new fully sealed boxed games.
I actually tried returning the game today and they flat out refused! I showed them the message from CD Project Red and they could care less, as CD Project Red needs to send an official notice to the stores for them to be compensated for taking these games back and offer refunds, since they cannot sell these games anymore, as the seal is broken on the boxes!
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I recall this one time where we had to deliver a release with a bunch of new features a couple of big telcos asked for as the company could bill them immediately upon shipment.
Not deployment mind you, major telcos don't just install new software on a whim, has to be thoroughly tested before moving to production.
Failure to ship on time wasn't an option, (firm was on much shakier financial footing than we knew) so our local manager had us bundle up what we had knowing it was missing features or flat out broken knowing it wasn't going into any test envs for 6 months.
So we shipped it, got paid and fixed it in point patches well before the customer test cycles began and no senior managers were ever the wiser.
But had our bluff been called, someone was going to really pay.
I imagine here the lower level staff well knew the game's shortcomings and most likely never fully revealed it's flaws to senior mgmt, the only version they likely ever saw was the game at its best, on a top end PC and it looked pretty good.
Moreso, the junior staff may have been gambling that the number of base console players who actually exist and would buy this game was far smaller than turned out to be.
After all, technologists tend to keep their hardware far more up to date than the average Joe and can't even fathom that people exist who would still be using five year old consoles and PCs to game on. (I know I still struggle at the idea)
It probably was a communication issue, with senior management not realizing what a shit show they had because everyone below was terrified to tell them the truth.
I've worked for too many years in such punitive work cultures and you'd be surprised how much is never shared with those "outside" of the team, even at same level.
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I am one of those that is playing on PC and can truthfully say that I have not had that many bugs. And so far, none of them have been game breaking nor annoying enough to call this game a "travesty". Obviously, others are having issues and for them they could call it a travesty. The worse bug I have had in some 50 hours of play was a disconnect of the player character's camera from his body after leaving a BD sequence. Fortunately, I was able to get past it be loading a game save that happened just prior to entering that BD sequence.
Being a long time PC gamer, I have seen many buggy launches but this one is not the worst. At least for me. That is no consolation to those that are having issues. It just means that I was lucky.
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The game's a little buggy for me, but playable on my PC which has a decent 3 generation old GPU and 5gen back CPU.
High Dudgeon on the internet is cheap these days though.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.