What it took to get in on alpha was peanuts. I got my money's worth out of it last year during the month long alpha testing. Some of the funnest times I have had in an MMO in a long time tbh. The game is moving forward still and there is testing every week. They obviously have some legal things going on that prevent them from talking currently, DUH. Don't talk s**t about things you don't know about and for all those debbie downers, don't tell me how to spend my money.
Username checks out
Nothing what he says is really wrong though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Anyone that invested money into this - has enabled Renfail to continue the scam.
that is pretty wrong.
It's funny how easy it is to absolve oneself from any responsibility - when everyone who invested money into this is a direct contributor to the problem.
I don’t know what scam. I can log in to SoL and play it, it simply isn’t finished. CoE, now that is a proper scam. We really should stop painting with such broad strokes.
What it took to get in on alpha was peanuts. I got my money's worth out of it last year during the month long alpha testing. Some of the funnest times I have had in an MMO in a long time tbh. The game is moving forward still and there is testing every week. They obviously have some legal things going on that prevent them from talking currently, DUH. Don't talk s**t about things you don't know about and for all those debbie downers, don't tell me how to spend my money.
Username checks out
Nothing what he says is really wrong though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Have you taken the time to check the name of the person you were replying to ?
Aye, nothing in his post is clueless though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Funny thing is I didn't even actually see this until after I spoke to Tim and pushed this story live.
Ever think of working in games media? :P Great stuff, Slapshot.
I am not sure putting Slapshot in charge of the sites CF MMO articles would be the best idea, the CF studios would be like Hobbits hiding from a Nazgul, though we would find it very entertaining.
I would see it rather like a Troll under the bridge that the CF games would need to convince to let them past.
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Read Renfail's other posts where he is trying to convince people how SoL is a surefire thing.
This has been his motto for years - how SoL will definitely launch etc... he went to lengths about convincing everyone
Well, going through his posts I only seem him stating what he says they actually have.
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Read Renfail's other posts where he is trying to convince people how SoL is a surefire thing.
This has been his motto for years - how SoL will definitely launch etc... he went to lengths about convincing everyone
Well, going through his posts I only seem him stating what he says they actually have.
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
Has Renfail ever made a MMORPG before? Has he ever made a video game before?
Did he hire a team of devs that made MMORPGs before?
Did he have a budget or even a plan to see a MMORPG project from start to finish?
There's a pretty big difference believing in "something within the realm of possibility" - vs "impossible", you can believe you can jump from earth to the moon all you want, it simply won't ever happen.
SoL simply was never within the realm of possibility - the idea was sold as doable, like a project that could actually happen - the truth is - it never could happen at all, it was an impossibility from the start.
P.S - super cute of Renfail to lurk and "insightful" some posts here - lol
Is that really the point here?
SpaceX never made a rocket before and they seem to be doing ok now.
Whether someone wants to believe in a company or not is up to them. As I've said numerous times, every game I've backed with crowdfunding has launched. With the exception of the mmorpg's which are still in development and "we'll see." These things are not guaranteed. That's the whole point.
I don't see where he is saying it's a sure thing and players should of course give money. He says in the bit I quoted that the only way to make sure is to wait until the game launches.
And that's good advice for those who want a sure thing.
What I've pointed out is that he believes in that team and that is what he was saying in the thread you posted. That doesn't mean there are any guarantees, it doesn't mean they are capable or that the game will launch.
Would I have backed this game? I thought about it, saw some of their later videos and wasn't satisfied with their progress so "no." If others saw their progress and felt it was enough for them then fine. It's their money.
There are so many successful companies that started from nothing and started from people who never did a thing before. And while it's much better to have people who have experience, I personally am always interested in what they can show me. If someone has no experience but they show me something that is truly amazing then sure, I might believe in them.
Remember, Derek Smart has experience and has made mmorpg's and I wouldn't give the guy a dime.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Read Renfail's other posts where he is trying to convince people how SoL is a surefire thing.
This has been his motto for years - how SoL will definitely launch etc... he went to lengths about convincing everyone
Well, going through his posts I only seem him stating what he says they actually have.
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
Has Renfail ever made a MMORPG before? Has he ever made a video game before?
Did he hire a team of devs that made MMORPGs before?
Did he have a budget or even a plan to see a MMORPG project from start to finish?
There's a pretty big difference believing in "something within the realm of possibility" - vs "impossible", you can believe you can jump from earth to the moon all you want, it simply won't ever happen.
SoL simply was never within the realm of possibility - the idea was sold as doable, like a project that could actually happen - the truth is - it never could happen at all, it was an impossibility from the start.
P.S - super cute of Renfail to lurk and "insightful" some posts here - lol
Is that really the point here?
SpaceX never made a rocket before and they seem to be doing ok now.
Whether someone wants to believe in a company or not is up to them. As I've said numerous times, every game I've backed with crowdfunding has launched. With the exception of the mmorpg's which are still in development and "we'll see." These things are not guaranteed. That's the whole point.
I don't see where he is saying it's a sure thing and players should of course give money. He says in the bit I quoted that the only way to make sure is to wait until the game launches.
And that's good advice for those who want a sure thing.
What I've pointed out is that he believes in that team and that is what he was saying in the thread you posted. That doesn't mean there are any guarantees, it doesn't mean they are capable or that the game will launch.
Would I have backed this game? I thought about it, saw some of their later videos and wasn't satisfied with their progress so "no." If others saw their progress and felt it was enough for them then fine. It's their money.
There are so many successful companies that started from nothing and started from people who never did a thing before. And while it's much better to have people who have experience, I personally am always interested in what they can show me. If someone has no experience but they show me something that is truly amazing then sure, I might believe in them.
Remember, Derek Smart has experience and has made mmorpg's and I wouldn't give the guy a dime.
Derek Smart is somehow still posting on the Alganon steam community page as of like 5 days ago saying it's coming out globally soon.
Read Renfail's other posts where he is trying to convince people how SoL is a surefire thing.
This has been his motto for years - how SoL will definitely launch etc... he went to lengths about convincing everyone
Well, going through his posts I only seem him stating what he says they actually have.
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
Has Renfail ever made a MMORPG before? Has he ever made a video game before?
Did he hire a team of devs that made MMORPGs before?
Did he have a budget or even a plan to see a MMORPG project from start to finish?
There's a pretty big difference believing in "something within the realm of possibility" - vs "impossible", you can believe you can jump from earth to the moon all you want, it simply won't ever happen.
SoL simply was never within the realm of possibility - the idea was sold as doable, like a project that could actually happen - the truth is - it never could happen at all, it was an impossibility from the start.
P.S - super cute of Renfail to lurk and "insightful" some posts here - lol
Is that really the point here?
SpaceX never made a rocket before and they seem to be doing ok now.
Whether someone wants to believe in a company or not is up to them. As I've said numerous times, every game I've backed with crowdfunding has launched. With the exception of the mmorpg's which are still in development and "we'll see." These things are not guaranteed. That's the whole point.
I don't see where he is saying it's a sure thing and players should of course give money. He says in the bit I quoted that the only way to make sure is to wait until the game launches.
And that's good advice for those who want a sure thing.
What I've pointed out is that he believes in that team and that is what he was saying in the thread you posted. That doesn't mean there are any guarantees, it doesn't mean they are capable or that the game will launch.
Would I have backed this game? I thought about it, saw some of their later videos and wasn't satisfied with their progress so "no." If others saw their progress and felt it was enough for them then fine. It's their money.
There are so many successful companies that started from nothing and started from people who never did a thing before. And while it's much better to have people who have experience, I personally am always interested in what they can show me. If someone has no experience but they show me something that is truly amazing then sure, I might believe in them.
Remember, Derek Smart has experience and has made mmorpg's and I wouldn't give the guy a dime.
Derek Smart is somehow still posting on the Alganon steam community page as of like 5 days ago saying it's coming out globally soon.
I just spit out my drink laughing. He can’t be serious about that, lol!
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Read Renfail's other posts where he is trying to convince people how SoL is a surefire thing.
This has been his motto for years - how SoL will definitely launch etc... he went to lengths about convincing everyone
Well, going through his posts I only seem him stating what he says they actually have.
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
Has Renfail ever made a MMORPG before? Has he ever made a video game before?
Did he hire a team of devs that made MMORPGs before?
Did he have a budget or even a plan to see a MMORPG project from start to finish?
There's a pretty big difference believing in "something within the realm of possibility" - vs "impossible", you can believe you can jump from earth to the moon all you want, it simply won't ever happen.
SoL simply was never within the realm of possibility - the idea was sold as doable, like a project that could actually happen - the truth is - it never could happen at all, it was an impossibility from the start.
P.S - super cute of Renfail to lurk and "insightful" some posts here - lol
Is that really the point here?
SpaceX never made a rocket before and they seem to be doing ok now.
Whether someone wants to believe in a company or not is up to them. As I've said numerous times, every game I've backed with crowdfunding has launched. With the exception of the mmorpg's which are still in development and "we'll see." These things are not guaranteed. That's the whole point.
I don't see where he is saying it's a sure thing and players should of course give money. He says in the bit I quoted that the only way to make sure is to wait until the game launches.
And that's good advice for those who want a sure thing.
What I've pointed out is that he believes in that team and that is what he was saying in the thread you posted. That doesn't mean there are any guarantees, it doesn't mean they are capable or that the game will launch.
Would I have backed this game? I thought about it, saw some of their later videos and wasn't satisfied with their progress so "no." If others saw their progress and felt it was enough for them then fine. It's their money.
There are so many successful companies that started from nothing and started from people who never did a thing before. And while it's much better to have people who have experience, I personally am always interested in what they can show me. If someone has no experience but they show me something that is truly amazing then sure, I might believe in them.
Remember, Derek Smart has experience and has made mmorpg's and I wouldn't give the guy a dime.
Oh come on dude - SpaceX has real engineers - please don't pull this shit Sovrath.
Renfail is not a game dev - has no game dev experience
If Space X had zero actual engineers and the entire staff was basically marketing team background and accountants - do you think for 1 second they would have made a single fucking rocket that could take off?
dude...
Apples and Oranges
SoL was destined to fail - from the very start - it was not a feasible project at any point - it was never going to happen.
The whole point behind it was just to make money off people by selling them a lie.
Why you are still defending this is surprising honestly
Look, I don't know who he's hired and what their experience is. And again not the point. if you know the experience of everyone in his company then by all means, without listing their names, give us a rundown.
Companies get started all the time with people who have no experience but are smart and capable. I mean, isn't that how Apple started? They just decided to build computer kits and sell them and grew from there.
My point is that one needs to look at what they offer as evidence that they can do that job.
I don't support your controlling idea that people can't use their money how they want. If this company showed their work and convinced people they could do it then fine that's their decision.
Just like I don't need you to tell me how to spend my money since I certainly can choose companies that will at least deliver. And if they don't so what? You won't find me coming here making petty post upon petty post because I'm personally outraged. Like "some" people I see.
It's up to the individual to make that decision. Not saying that crowfunding platforms shouldn't have some things in place to support developers and those who give money, but If a developer comes and shows good work then I think it should be ok for those who want to donate money. And if they show nothing? Like the original Panthone kickstarter then that's on the people donating if nothign is delivered.
Again, those developers who ran the first kickstarter for pantheon had oodles of experience but showed absolutely nothing.
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Yeah, but also probably wanting to (6 years getting nowhere will take its toll). I mean, he was the CeO and in control of the company right? So maybe it was not a fight worth taking for him, or maybe he saw himself as a major problem for the project?
Maybe the team or some investor demanded a f2p model to continue the project, which I assume would have been unacceptable for him as lead.
Who knows. We probably have to wait x years for the NDA period to run out.
He seem lto be knowledgable with tech and game design, but lack in public communication skills (too often on the aggressive-defensive side).
Well he Started off as Founder/CEO.
Then went to Creative Director, with someone else being the CEO
And now he is gone.
I wager in some cases, with a lot of artists, maybe he was getting too wrapped up in some ideas, that were causing more problems then they were worth, like an author at a movie shoot, making too much a fuss.
I am not sure, but the way things are being said, is that he and his brother no longer work at the company, but the company still exists.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
"I'm not still working on my own project, but I think that maybe someone else could."
Shouldn't there be a rule that you have to finish one crowdfunded project before you abandon it to go raise money for another?
The rule should be - don't give a single cent to alpha packs, kickstarter or anything that's not finished or worse yet - not even remotely started.
My take is don't give money to a project until the game is in a state such that you'd like to play it as it is now. Some games get there during early access. Others don't get there until months after launch. Many games never get there at all. What matters is the state that the game is in, not what the developers call it.
"I'm not still working on my own project, but I think that maybe someone else could."
Shouldn't there be a rule that you have to finish one crowdfunded project before you abandon it to go raise money for another?
The rule should be - don't give a single cent to alpha packs, kickstarter or anything that's not finished or worse yet - not even remotely started.
My take is don't give money to a project until the game is in a state such that you'd like to play it as it is now. Some games get there during early access. Others don't get there until months after launch. Many games never get there at all. What matters is the state that the game is in, not what the developers call it.
I evaluate based off of risk/reward. If a game launches Early Access or Crowdfunding and it's at or near full price (See Baldur's Gate 3) I see no reason to buy it. If a game offers a compelling case to offset the risk (discounted price, X number of sub months. something cool) then I weigh that against the risk of it never appearing.
It doesn't always work. I got some ridiculous deal on SOTA when it was starting where I got episodes 1, 2 and 3 for a pittance, but I cant even force myself to load that game and try it again.
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Read Renfail's other posts where he is trying to convince people how SoL is a surefire thing.
This has been his motto for years - how SoL will definitely launch etc... he went to lengths about convincing everyone
Well, going through his posts I only seem him stating what he says they actually have.
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
Has Renfail ever made a MMORPG before? Has he ever made a video game before?
Did he hire a team of devs that made MMORPGs before?
Did he have a budget or even a plan to see a MMORPG project from start to finish?
There's a pretty big difference believing in "something within the realm of possibility" - vs "impossible", you can believe you can jump from earth to the moon all you want, it simply won't ever happen.
SoL simply was never within the realm of possibility - the idea was sold as doable, like a project that could actually happen - the truth is - it never could happen at all, it was an impossibility from the start.
P.S - super cute of Renfail to lurk and "insightful" some posts here - lol
Is that really the point here?
SpaceX never made a rocket before and they seem to be doing ok now.
Whether someone wants to believe in a company or not is up to them. As I've said numerous times, every game I've backed with crowdfunding has launched. With the exception of the mmorpg's which are still in development and "we'll see." These things are not guaranteed. That's the whole point.
I don't see where he is saying it's a sure thing and players should of course give money. He says in the bit I quoted that the only way to make sure is to wait until the game launches.
And that's good advice for those who want a sure thing.
What I've pointed out is that he believes in that team and that is what he was saying in the thread you posted. That doesn't mean there are any guarantees, it doesn't mean they are capable or that the game will launch.
Would I have backed this game? I thought about it, saw some of their later videos and wasn't satisfied with their progress so "no." If others saw their progress and felt it was enough for them then fine. It's their money.
There are so many successful companies that started from nothing and started from people who never did a thing before. And while it's much better to have people who have experience, I personally am always interested in what they can show me. If someone has no experience but they show me something that is truly amazing then sure, I might believe in them.
Remember, Derek Smart has experience and has made mmorpg's and I wouldn't give the guy a dime.
Oh come on dude - SpaceX has real engineers - please don't pull this shit Sovrath.
Renfail is not a game dev - has no game dev experience
If Space X had zero actual engineers and the entire staff was basically marketing team background and accountants - do you think for 1 second they would have made a single fucking rocket that could take off?
dude...
Apples and Oranges
SoL was destined to fail - from the very start - it was not a feasible project at any point - it was never going to happen.
The whole point behind it was just to make money off people by selling them a lie.
Why you are still defending this is surprising honestly
Dang. I was gonna say that. SpaceX not only has engineers, but engineers that worked for functional space-going programs like NASA and JPL. There's plenty of subject-related hands-on experience there.
This isn't rocket science. Don't pay for the promise of a product sometime in the indefinite future, no matter what they promise you. Games development is going through a period where people will say anything to get in your wallet. The sooner that people stop giving to them, the sooner they will go away.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I think we have officially had more posts about Renfail's departure than we had about the entire game in the last year.
I'll leave each of you to interpret that as you will.
it's even more telling that Renfail is markng posts as insightful but wont' say a word.
If you remember his posting history on this site (easily available from his profile), you'll note that smarminess was a constant theme in many of his replies to criticism or questions. It *is* true to form.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
"I'm not still working on my own project, but I think that maybe someone else could."
Shouldn't there be a rule that you have to finish one crowdfunded project before you abandon it to go raise money for another?
The rule should be - don't give a single cent to alpha packs, kickstarter or anything that's not finished or worse yet - not even remotely started.
My take is don't give money to a project until the game is in a state such that you'd like to play it as it is now. Some games get there during early access. Others don't get there until months after launch. Many games never get there at all. What matters is the state that the game is in, not what the developers call it.
The bad thing about electronic funds (that is a common denominator of all crowdfunding efforts), is that there is no easy way to post-date your 'donation' to one month after the promised delivery/target date. Missed date? You have one month to cancel that 'contribution' with your bank.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Sorry this didn't work out. Seems like these games aimed at the EQ1 crowd never come to fruition. I hope it still comes out.
Also, for those who say you can't make an MMO as a hobby project, Runescape says hello. I think both players and developers all need to lower their expectations when it comes to the scale of what an MMORPG project has to be. While it's a little trickier than a single player game, it's a lot easier now than it was during the heyday to manage online games.
If I tell you I'm going to make a single-player RPG, most people wouldn't be skeptical. Something like the Witcher 3, though, is far more complicated to make than a small MMO world designed to support a few hundred players. It's cool to dream, but sometimes you you gotta work up to it rather than dropping into the end game.
I remember all those arguments on these very boards with Tim - where he was confronted with the fact that a team of - non-developers has zero chance of making a MMORPG let alone one that's any good.
Tim defended his position and was trying to convince everyone how SoL will be finished, will launch and can survive with 5K players - lol, with basically no money and free dev work.
The dude was either delusional or worse yet he was straight up lying to everyone about the fact that SoL will never launch and is in fact a scam
Here's a thread from march 2020 - where Borghive and DMKano (RIP) - are ripping Renfail a new one over his bullshit - and most everyone else is defending this scam. I believe that he knew this from the very start - this was a scam all along.
ChildofShadows, Deleted and others who defended this shit - how you feel now?
This is why anyone who supports and gives money to devs before they have a finished products is just feeding this problem.
Don't pay for promises or unfinished game period. Stop feeding the scam.
Thank you for the shout out! I tried to tell the interwebs this guy was a fraud!
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Aye, nothing in his post is clueless though.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
One person raises the question about the game launching or some such thing and he says:
"I wouldn't spend a dime, if I were you.
Wait until launch. That's the only way to be sure. "
A, always good advice if one is concerned about giving money to a venture that isn't guaranteed
B, It's ok to believe in your product and your company. There is no guarantee no matter what one says that things will turn out right though.
I'm sure Arthur Andersen very much believed in their future as well.
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Plenty of successful games got created by new people in the industry.
SpaceX never made a rocket before and they seem to be doing ok now.
Whether someone wants to believe in a company or not is up to them. As I've said numerous times, every game I've backed with crowdfunding has launched. With the exception of the mmorpg's which are still in development and "we'll see." These things are not guaranteed. That's the whole point.
I don't see where he is saying it's a sure thing and players should of course give money. He says in the bit I quoted that the only way to make sure is to wait until the game launches.
And that's good advice for those who want a sure thing.
What I've pointed out is that he believes in that team and that is what he was saying in the thread you posted. That doesn't mean there are any guarantees, it doesn't mean they are capable or that the game will launch.
Would I have backed this game? I thought about it, saw some of their later videos and wasn't satisfied with their progress so "no." If others saw their progress and felt it was enough for them then fine. It's their money.
There are so many successful companies that started from nothing and started from people who never did a thing before. And while it's much better to have people who have experience, I personally am always interested in what they can show me. If someone has no experience but they show me something that is truly amazing then sure, I might believe in them.
Remember, Derek Smart has experience and has made mmorpg's and I wouldn't give the guy a dime.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Companies get started all the time with people who have no experience but are smart and capable. I mean, isn't that how Apple started? They just decided to build computer kits and sell them and grew from there.
My point is that one needs to look at what they offer as evidence that they can do that job.
I don't support your controlling idea that people can't use their money how they want. If this company showed their work and convinced people they could do it then fine that's their decision.
Just like I don't need you to tell me how to spend my money since I certainly can choose companies that will at least deliver. And if they don't so what? You won't find me coming here making petty post upon petty post because I'm personally outraged. Like "some" people I see.
It's up to the individual to make that decision. Not saying that crowfunding platforms shouldn't have some things in place to support developers and those who give money, but If a developer comes and shows good work then I think it should be ok for those who want to donate money. And if they show nothing? Like the original Panthone kickstarter then that's on the people donating if nothign is delivered.
Again, those developers who ran the first kickstarter for pantheon had oodles of experience but showed absolutely nothing.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Then went to Creative Director, with someone else being the CEO
And now he is gone.
I wager in some cases, with a lot of artists, maybe he was getting too wrapped up in some ideas, that were causing more problems then they were worth, like an author at a movie shoot, making too much a fuss.
I am not sure, but the way things are being said, is that he and his brother no longer work at the company, but the company still exists.
I'll leave each of you to interpret that as you will.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It doesn't always work. I got some ridiculous deal on SOTA when it was starting where I got episodes 1, 2 and 3 for a pittance, but I cant even force myself to load that game and try it again.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
That is what you get when people start yelling scam...
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
If it's the former, then that is concerning to be missing 98% of the game at this point.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Also, for those who say you can't make an MMO as a hobby project, Runescape says hello. I think both players and developers all need to lower their expectations when it comes to the scale of what an MMORPG project has to be. While it's a little trickier than a single player game, it's a lot easier now than it was during the heyday to manage online games.
If I tell you I'm going to make a single-player RPG, most people wouldn't be skeptical. Something like the Witcher 3, though, is far more complicated to make than a small MMO world designed to support a few hundred players. It's cool to dream, but sometimes you you gotta work up to it rather than dropping into the end game.
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer