Just like the people in FPS games that gang up on the players making hackusations, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. No one and I mean no one who is a legitimate player will defend cheaters or their practices. They certainly won't attack someone for making a hackusation.
So, if you think branding cheaters is a bad idea, a waste of time or whatever, maybe you need to question your own moral compass. Why do you care if cheaters get branded? Are you a cheater? No? Then why the fuck are you arguing against this? The only type of person who would argue against this would be a cheater.
Why do I care if people are treated poorly? Because we're humans we should treat everyone with some amount of dignity. I can be both against cheating and against treating people in a degrading manner. I play Fallout 76 which is full of cheaters and it's frustrating.
Making unfounded "hackusations" as you call it is blatant lying because you're just saying it to disparage the character of another to win an argument. You're not okay with cheating but you're okay promoting lies to further your agenda? Would you be for a punishment system on these forums where accounts that told lies were branded that way and every time they post "LIAR" would be stamped on their post and maybe as their forum avatar, kind of like how they put "BANNED" across banned accounts? Because even those I disagree with your and your accusations I think that would be horrible.
I am for banning cheaters because it's a consequence and punishment for an action, like a fine. It is a one time consequence for a one time action. But I'm against making permanent judgements and branding people with those judgements forever. That goes beyond being punished for a mistake and it is dehumanizing.
Plus this doesn't stop anyone from cheating. If someone wants to avoid branding they will treat it like a ban and just buy another game key and account. But the overall atmosphere will be toxic, just like this forum thread. People willing to treat others poorly over a video game is concerning. I think it says more about a person's moral compass regarding how they treat people because that willingness to degrade others extends well beyond just a video game.
We have been over this.
Cheating in a game is never a "One Time Mistake".
The player first must chose to cheat, they have to make that conscious choice to want to cheat at the game to start with, this is not a Mistake, like Opps I Pressed the Wrong button and something happened that should not have. This a planned premeditated course of action.
They then need to find the provider of said cheat program, or make it themselves. This is not some One off Mistake, this a a direct, again, premediated course of action.
Depending on the quality of the game, these hack programs can cost money, so now they are investing real cash dollars into cheating in the game.
This is so far removed from a one time mistake than it is not even funny, as they have had a lot of things to think about up to this point, if they really wanted to cheat, and yes, they really, really, wanted to cheat.
Then they Download, and Install the Program, and finally Activate it.
There is nothing "Mistake" about this.
They deserve to be branded. Now if they want to throw that account away, and buy a new one to try and bypass the brand, even better. But, there is no way they didn't earn their scarlet letter in that regards.
So you're saying it's "life without the possibility of parole" worthy then?
If we are going to use Real Life examples, isn't Banning the same as the Death Penalty?
That is like asking, would you rather have a Scarlet letter or be Stoned to Death.
I can't be the only one wondering why some people would ask to be stoned to death.
Stoned in Jesus day and "stoned" in 2021 are two totally different things...You tell players now they're going to be stoned and they will ask where do they sign up?
Are you completely ignoring what's been said? Branded cheaters will only be able to play with other branded cheaters. It's not about stopping them from playing or cheating but rather to discredit them as legitimate players. Probably the best approach to cheating ever created.
P.S. Dehumanizing cheaters? Seriously? Do you say the same thing when drunk drivers make a mistake? I hope not.
I am sorry but did you just compare someone that cheats/hacks in video games to a drunk driver that kills someone?
This right here is the signal for you to step back from this conversation mate.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Are you completely ignoring what's been said? Branded cheaters will only be able to play with other branded cheaters. It's not about stopping them from playing or cheating but rather to discredit them as legitimate players. Probably the best approach to cheating ever created.
P.S. Dehumanizing cheaters? Seriously? Do you say the same thing when drunk drivers make a mistake? I hope not.
I am sorry but did you just compare someone that cheats/hacks in video games to a drunk driver that kills someone?
This right here is the signal for you to step back from this conversation mate.
Personally, I think people that are screaming for Bans but against a simple watermark and being linked to play with like minded people, is the sign that they need to back away from the discussion.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Are you completely ignoring what's been said? Branded cheaters will only be able to play with other branded cheaters. It's not about stopping them from playing or cheating but rather to discredit them as legitimate players. Probably the best approach to cheating ever created.
P.S. Dehumanizing cheaters? Seriously? Do you say the same thing when drunk drivers make a mistake? I hope not.
I am sorry but did you just compare someone that cheats/hacks in video games to a drunk driver that kills someone?
This right here is the signal for you to step back from this conversation mate.
Personally, I think people that are screaming for Bans but against a simple watermark and being linked to play with like minded people, is the sign that they need to back away from the discussion.
Not really, they do not compare at all. One is based in reality and another in the make believe land of video games.
Comparing something, like was done here, to a real crime is ludicrous, we are not in the matrix yet where reality is blurred with the the fake in your mind to the point you can't tell the difference.
Anyone not seeing this needs to step back a little, even my underage son knows the difference between the two.
TBH I really don't care if someone is branded in game and think it's a little funny however Torval does bring up some points just like some of you on the opposing view do.
However comparing such thing to real life is lame, sloppy thinking and shows a distinct lack of ability to perceive the difference between the gravity of something done in real life and done in a video game.
One is real the other isn't.
This very point is also why I don't care if a game company decides to brand players in game instead of banning them or decided to outright ban them instead.
It doesn't change the points both side bring up and there's some merit to what both side are saying.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Are you completely ignoring what's been said? Branded cheaters will only be able to play with other branded cheaters. It's not about stopping them from playing or cheating but rather to discredit them as legitimate players. Probably the best approach to cheating ever created.
P.S. Dehumanizing cheaters? Seriously? Do you say the same thing when drunk drivers make a mistake? I hope not.
I am sorry but did you just compare someone that cheats/hacks in video games to a drunk driver that kills someone?
This right here is the signal for you to step back from this conversation mate.
Personally, I think people that are screaming for Bans but against a simple watermark and being linked to play with like minded people, is the sign that they need to back away from the discussion.
Not really, they do not compare at all. One is based in realty and another in the make believe land of video games.
Comparing something, like was done here, to a real crime is ludicrous, we are not in the matrix yet where reality is blurred with the the fake in your mind to the point you can't tell the difference.
Anyone not seeing this needs to step back a little, even my underage son knows the difference between the two.
TBH I really don't care if someone is branded in game and think it's a little funny however Torval does bring up some points just like some of you on the opposing view do.
However comparing such thing to real life is lame, sloppy thinking and shows a distinct lack of ability to perceive the difference between the gravity of something done in real life and done in a video game.
One is real the other isn't.
This very point is also why I don't care if a game company decides to brand players in game instead of banning them or decided to outright ban them instead.
It doesn't change the points both side bring up and there's some merit to what both side are saying.
This has been settled in court, digital crimes are in fact real crimes, but, I don't see the need to get dragged down with that at this point.
In any case:
The Watermark is simple enough, it simply marks the game as modded, so that if you upload a video, stream, twitch, whatever, anyone watching it, will understand that their own gaming experience might be vastly different if they do not have the same mods.
Realistically that is a good thing to put out there, as if I was watching a stream of someone playing a modded version of Skyrim and I saw someone run around in a hot pink thong fighting a Twilight Sparkle looking Dragon, I would appreciate that watermark making it clear to me ahead of time.. my own person gaming experience might be vastly different than that I was witnessing.
As far as the multi-player matchup goes, it's just linking like minded players, which sounds like the perfect solution to these kinds of issues, as opposed to having players with very different views on what they want from the game playing together, just keep like minded players together. Some like mods, some don't. They can all enjoy the game in their own way, and not step on each others toes.
There is no need or reason to ban anyone. Banning solves nothing.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I think the real question here might be 'how long will it take the video watermark to become a status symbol on videos?'
I just can't see people who cheat being terribly bothered by a watermark on their videos of themselves cheating. It seems a very weak attempt to shame the cheaters. That's not worked in the past; can't see it working in the future.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
This has been settled in court, digital crimes are in fact real crimes, but, I don't see the need to get dragged down with that at this point.
Sorry but no that not what I was saying and this is very different. This is about Blizzard suing a group of hackers hacking their game to make money kind of like as if they were charging to run private servers. Yeah it's very much a crime.
What we are talking about here is cheating in game which is very different as the cheating can be done in various ways like using game glitches and bugs etc etc.
In any case:
The Watermark is simple enough, it simply marks the game as modded, so that if you upload a video, stream, twitch, whatever, anyone watching it, will understand that their own gaming experience might be vastly different if they do not have the same mods.
Realistically that is a good thing to put out there, as if I was watching a stream of someone playing a modded version of Skyrim and I saw someone run around in a hot pink thong fighting a Twilight Sparkle looking Dragon, I would appreciate that watermark making it clear to me ahead of time.. my own person gaming experience might be vastly different than that I was witnessing.
As far as the multi-player matchup goes, it's just linking like minded players, which sounds like the perfect solution to these kinds of issues, as opposed to having players with very different views on what they want from the game playing together, just keep like minded players together. Some like mods, some don't. They can all enjoy the game in their own way, and not step on each others toes.
There is no need or reason to ban anyone. Banning solves nothing.
Like I said both side have good arguments and the counter to this one is that it possibly does nothing, can create an even more toxic environment FOR ALL and since they can just act like they were banned and get a new account maybe more a PR stunt than anything else.
As for watermarks in my single player game be it on a SS or during streaming is a big fat no no. I own this game and have the right to take such SS and stream without some BS watermarks making it look bad, stupid or w/e....just like the next guy especially in games like skyrim where mods are supported.
Your skyrim argument is silly...who gets the watermark when both parties are not doing anything wrong, who gets the onus of the watermark?
Why not add a huge VANILLA watermark over those playing vanilla?
You see how silly this can get?
Up to you mate not to be lazy and do your homework before you rush out and buy the game or I dunno talk to the streamer etc etc
I have no problem with this kind of argument but common man you' re seriously going to sit there and type bald faced to me that comparing someone using a aiming cheat or glitch that allows them to avoid damage in game is akin to a drunk driver killing some innocent victim?
If so well I just have to say Bless your heart! to anyone that thinks so and will move on.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Why not add a huge VANILLA watermark over those playing vanilla?
Actually that would be super cool to be honest, to watermark what version you were using, be it Classic, Vanilla, Normal.
Especially with all these games out today, running things Legacy, Classic, Rebooted, and what have you, that way we can tell if the SS/Video was taken during the original game as it was launched years ago or if the SS/video was taken last week on some Legacy/private server.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I have no problem with this kind of argument but common man you' re seriously going to sit there and type bald faced to me that comparing someone using a aiming cheat or glitch that allows them to avoid damage in game is akin to a drunk driver killing some innocent victim?
If so well I just have to say Bless your heart! to anyone that thinks so and will move on.
Actually they never said anyone got hurt, or that any kind of accident happened. Only that someone was driving drunk. Which is a crime in and of itself, a victimless crime at that, if no one was hurt or affected by it.
Here is the quote again, since you seem to have forgotten what was said.
P.S. Dehumanizing cheaters? Seriously? Do you say the same thing when drunk drivers make a mistake? I hope not.
A Mistake could mean they drove into a ditch, didn't stop at a stop sign, sped, and a slew of other things that may have not caused any damage at all, Which means, the only person here Asm0deus that is equating Drunk Drivers Killing People, to Cheating in Games.. is you.
Bless your Heart.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Actual photo of Outrider players dealing with someone who duped items in his computer's local save file:
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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Actual photo of Outrider players dealing with someone who duped items in his computer's local save file:
Really.. I thought it looked like this
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
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Stoned in Jesus day and "stoned" in 2021 are two totally different things...You tell players now they're going to be stoned and they will ask where do they sign up?
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
In any case:
The Watermark is simple enough, it simply marks the game as modded, so that if you upload a video, stream, twitch, whatever, anyone watching it, will understand that their own gaming experience might be vastly different if they do not have the same mods.
Realistically that is a good thing to put out there, as if I was watching a stream of someone playing a modded version of Skyrim and I saw someone run around in a hot pink thong fighting a Twilight Sparkle looking Dragon, I would appreciate that watermark making it clear to me ahead of time.. my own person gaming experience might be vastly different than that I was witnessing.
As far as the multi-player matchup goes, it's just linking like minded players, which sounds like the perfect solution to these kinds of issues, as opposed to having players with very different views on what they want from the game playing together, just keep like minded players together. Some like mods, some don't. They can all enjoy the game in their own way, and not step on each others toes.
There is no need or reason to ban anyone. Banning solves nothing.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Especially with all these games out today, running things Legacy, Classic, Rebooted, and what have you, that way we can tell if the SS/Video was taken during the original game as it was launched years ago or if the SS/video was taken last week on some Legacy/private server.
Actually they never said anyone got hurt, or that any kind of accident happened. Only that someone was driving drunk. Which is a crime in and of itself, a victimless crime at that, if no one was hurt or affected by it.
Here is the quote again, since you seem to have forgotten what was said.
A Mistake could mean they drove into a ditch, didn't stop at a stop sign, sped, and a slew of other things that may have not caused any damage at all, Which means, the only person here Asm0deus that is equating Drunk Drivers Killing People, to Cheating in Games.. is you.
Bless your Heart.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED