A public call for MJ to drop the NDA

nurso

Kyleran said:

Long story short, this game is absolutely not worth $20, especially when you have similar games like Paladins/Smite available for FREE already, with much more content including PvP (something this game does not have and looks like it never will) in an addition to co-op PvE. If u wanna give it a try - wait for it to go f2p while enjoying existing alternatives."

I agree that it is not yet worth its price. But that is only a matter of time in my opinion. I have spoken to the developers; they are fully aware and open about that FSR is not yet where they want it to be.

And no, I don't think FSR will become F2P. As far as I understand it, they will add feature after feature until they can justify the price. After that, cosmetics will be available for purchase in the in-game shop.

Slapshot1188

nurso said:

Kyleran said:

Long story short, this game is absolutely not worth $20, especially when you have similar games like Paladins/Smite available for FREE already, with much more content including PvP (something this game does not have and looks like it never will) in an addition to co-op PvE. If u wanna give it a try - wait for it to go f2p while enjoying existing alternatives."

I agree that it is not yet worth its price. But that is only a matter of time in my opinion. I have spoken to the developers; they are fully aware and open about that FSR is not yet where they want it to be.

And no, I don't think FSR will become F2P. As far as I understand it, they will add feature after feature until they can justify the price. After that, cosmetics will be available for purchase in the in-game shop.

Then why launch it at all?   Surely the cash raised by doing so was in insignificant rounding error on the company's budget.  Maybe they sold 100 copies?  Raised $2k?   It was pointless.

nurso

tzervo said:

I can't remember any game recovering from 3 or 16 players on release, EA or otherwise (zero for several days now). I do not expect this one to recover either. Anyone remember Population Zero?

This may sound like an excuse, but FSR has not been released yet. At the moment the game is still in the (very) EA on Steam. Also, I don't think it's that unusual for indie games to sell well after a bumpy EA launch.

nurso

Slapshot1188 said:

Then why launch it at all?   Surely the cash raised by doing so was in insignificant rounding error on the company's budget.  Maybe they sold 100 copies?  Raised $2k?   It was pointless.

To be honest, I ask myself the same question. One answer that seems plausible to me, and which CSE themselves have also pointed out, is that at the moment it is simply a matter of gaining experience in dealing with a release, bug fixes, support, etc.

nurso

tzervo said:

Maybe they were expecting a different result. Or were pressured by their investors. Dunno, can't know. It does seem like a mistake to me from all angles. But we are on the outside.

To be honest, I think they knew very well what was coming. And no, there was probably no pressure from the investors. At least that's not the impression you get when you talk to the developers... and that would also contradict the fact that they planned at least a year (and longer) for FSR's EA.

Kyleran

nurso said:

tzervo said:

Maybe they were expecting a different result. Or were pressured by their investors. Dunno, can't know. It does seem like a mistake to me from all angles. But we are on the outside.

To be honest, I think they knew very well what was coming. And no, there was probably no pressure from the investors. At least that's not the impression you get when you talk to the developers... and that would also contradict the fact that they planned at least a year (and longer) for FSR's EA.

I also recall they were looking for player feedback as they developed.  Trick is to get enough people to play it first.

One poster's feedback was they should have included bots to join the player side in the event not many other folks joined in which I thought was brilliant, and wouldn't be very hard to do as they have tested with "hundreds" of bots previously in CU.

Let's see if they actually react to the idea.

This really reminds me of what happened with Ashes of Creation's failed BR "product", Apocalypse, which they took down fairly quickly saying the "testing" was over. (Made you look?)

Perhaps developers should choose more positive names for their products and stop with the negative references to doomsday?

Also, I'm all for developer transparency but I question the wisdom of selling anything in Steam even in early access while basically stating there isn't enough funding to create a reasonably complete game.

Potential customers will look at the current numbers and take a pass not wanting to commit until others make it happen. 

They might have been more successful had it been free to play, or stupidily cheap while in it's presently very incomplete state, under $5 for sure. 

$19.99 is just way too high, much better early access games like Foxhole have been available for $14.99 or even less during sales.

Scot

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "Remember orientation, you should know by now that our modus operandi is to Never Disclose Anything. Oh and after you've done the tea, finish up on our social media presence and get back to those quests asap."

Slapshot1188

Scot said:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "Remember orientation, you should know by now that our modus operandi is to Never Disclose Anything. Oh and after you've done the tea, finish up on our social media presence and get back to those quests asap."

Funny... but sadly believable.

But again... what good does the NDA do?  The press has been brutal.  One of the last sites to even stay neutral on the project recently had a blowup with MJ and now has the pitchforks out as well (Massively).

The worst that happens?   Players post videos of the game to show their view of how bad it is.  That is no worse than what we have today and might be better because sometimes the unknown is worse than the concrete.  

At least, MAYBE... there would be some discussion.  What we have now is total and utter apathy.  That is the worst place a game can be (See Final Stand: Ragnarok)

Ungood

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If they drop the NDA, could there be any worse response than what currently exists? 

LOL, as a player even I know that when it comes to gamers, that there is always a Worse Response they can manage.

With that said, I would bet MJ has a wall of where he displays his hate mail, So.. Again, if they have nothing to gain, there is no point in doing it.

Not a hard concept to grasp, even you should be able to understand it.

Keep laying those bricks my man...  

I explained the potential benefits.  If that went over your head... problem is on your side. I'm gonna guess that you did not buy Camelot Unchained and never followed it and the only reason you even responded was to try and take a lame swing and miss at me again.   
You disagree?  OK, noted.. and filed along with your other opinions like that of Crowfall.  Not gonna turn this thread into yet another one of your inane back and forths.  
 

I am not a brick layer dumbass, but since the only grasp you have on construction is signing off on a PO for a pre-fab, what I do would be beyond your comprehension. 

You have not explained any benefits, all you have done is make some patently false claim, but have your head so far up your ass that you do not know the difference between those two things.

No, I have not bought Camelot Unchained, I, Unlike you, do not make stupid investment in games, which is why no one should listen to your advance about what would be adventitious for a game.

As for Crowfall, you were one of those Ivory Tower DAOC players that cried that that the imbalance for the game was what would make it good and that it would be fixed by a large number of players, and then tried to go play this supposedly large scale Open World PvP War Game with a 9 person guild, and then cried that large guilds were killing the game.

You also seem to not grasp the idea of coverage in PvP wargames, so, if anyone wanted advance on how to make a game, or what would be good for a game, you are somewhere on the bottom of the list.

I said what I said.

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

The fact that you could not handle that absolute truth and wanted to try and turn this into a little spat fight, is the most telling here, and everyone can see you started this shit, and try to do some passive aggressive bullshit by saying "Oh after I started a spat fight with you, I am not going to spat fight with you"

So again..

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

Ungood

Scot said:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "Remember orientation, you should know by now that our modus operandi is to Never Disclose Anything. Oh and after you've done the tea, finish up on our social media presence and get back to those quests asap."

More like:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "yah, so?"

Teaboy: "Well maybe we should drop it?"

Mark: "Any advantage to doing so?"

Teaboy: "They would spew all the hate and butthurt they have about our game for the last several years we have kept them waiting."

Mark: Leans back in his chair and Laughs "That sounds about right"

Teaboy: "But you know talking endless shit about us better than silence, right?"

Mark: Gives Teaboy a look like are you just fucking stupid. "I would like earl gray, with two sugars, and by sugars I mean shots of whisky"

Teaboy: "Right away sir."

ConstantineMerus

Ungood said:

Scot said:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "Remember orientation, you should know by now that our modus operandi is to Never Disclose Anything. Oh and after you've done the tea, finish up on our social media presence and get back to those quests asap."

More like:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "yah, so?"

Teaboy: "Well maybe we should drop it?"

Mark: "Any advantage to doing so?"

Teaboy: "They would spew all the hate and butthurt they have about our game for the last several years we have kept them waiting."

Mark: Leans back in his chair and Laughs "That sounds about right"

Teaboy: "But you know talking endless shit about us better than silence, right?"

Mark: Gives Teaboy a look like are you just fucking stupid. "I would like earl gray, with two sugars, and by sugars I mean shots of whisky"

Teaboy: "Right away sir."

Mixing whiskey with tea? Now I am really done with this game! 

katzklaw

ConstantineMerus said:

Ungood said:

Scot said:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "Remember orientation, you should know by now that our modus operandi is to Never Disclose Anything. Oh and after you've done the tea, finish up on our social media presence and get back to those quests asap."

More like:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "yah, so?"

Teaboy: "Well maybe we should drop it?"

Mark: "Any advantage to doing so?"

Teaboy: "They would spew all the hate and butthurt they have about our game for the last several years we have kept them waiting."

Mark: Leans back in his chair and Laughs "That sounds about right"

Teaboy: "But you know talking endless shit about us better than silence, right?"

Mark: Gives Teaboy a look like are you just fucking stupid. "I would like earl gray, with two sugars, and by sugars I mean shots of whisky"

Teaboy: "Right away sir."

Mixing whiskey with tea? Now I am really done with this game! 

someone has obviously never had Sleepytime with JD Honey mixed in... soooo goooood

Ungood

ConstantineMerus said:

Ungood said:

Scot said:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "Remember orientation, you should know by now that our modus operandi is to Never Disclose Anything. Oh and after you've done the tea, finish up on our social media presence and get back to those quests asap."

More like:

Within the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower:

Teaboy: "Boss we got some guy saying we should drop the NDA"!

Mark: "yah, so?"

Teaboy: "Well maybe we should drop it?"

Mark: "Any advantage to doing so?"

Teaboy: "They would spew all the hate and butthurt they have about our game for the last several years we have kept them waiting."

Mark: Leans back in his chair and Laughs "That sounds about right"

Teaboy: "But you know talking endless shit about us better than silence, right?"

Mark: Gives Teaboy a look like are you just fucking stupid. "I would like earl gray, with two sugars, and by sugars I mean shots of whisky"

Teaboy: "Right away sir."

Mixing whiskey with tea? Now I am really done with this game! 

I hear MJ eats his steak well done with off brand ketchup, and wears socks with sandals.

Slapshot1188

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If they drop the NDA, could there be any worse response than what currently exists? 

LOL, as a player even I know that when it comes to gamers, that there is always a Worse Response they can manage.

With that said, I would bet MJ has a wall of where he displays his hate mail, So.. Again, if they have nothing to gain, there is no point in doing it.

Not a hard concept to grasp, even you should be able to understand it.

Keep laying those bricks my man...  

I explained the potential benefits.  If that went over your head... problem is on your side. I'm gonna guess that you did not buy Camelot Unchained and never followed it and the only reason you even responded was to try and take a lame swing and miss at me again.   
You disagree?  OK, noted.. and filed along with your other opinions like that of Crowfall.  Not gonna turn this thread into yet another one of your inane back and forths.  
 

I am not a brick layer dumbass, but since the only grasp you have on construction is signing off on a PO for a pre-fab, what I do would be beyond your comprehension. 

You have not explained any benefits, all you have done is make some patently false claim, but have your head so far up your ass that you do not know the difference between those two things.

No, I have not bought Camelot Unchained, I, Unlike you, do not make stupid investment in games, which is why no one should listen to your advance about what would be adventitious for a game.

As for Crowfall, you were one of those Ivory Tower DAOC players that cried that that the imbalance for the game was what would make it good and that it would be fixed by a large number of players, and then tried to go play this supposedly large scale Open World PvP War Game with a 9 person guild, and then cried that large guilds were killing the game.

You also seem to not grasp the idea of coverage in PvP wargames, so, if anyone wanted advance on how to make a game, or what would be good for a game, you are somewhere on the bottom of the list.

I said what I said.

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

The fact that you could not handle that absolute truth and wanted to try and turn this into a little spat fight, is the most telling here, and everyone can see you started this shit, and try to do some passive aggressive bullshit by saying "Oh after I started a spat fight with you, I am not going to spat fight with you"

So again..

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

So wrong it's pretty much unreadable.  Keep laying those bricks my boy.  They sink fast.  Another game (and concept) that you know little to nothing about but drone on about.  Its a pattern for years.  not gonna let you turn this into yet another lame back and forth.  

Someday when you are right about something be sure to bookmark it and show me.  Everything in your history has been wrong.  Over and over again.  You are literally only in this thread to try and make a lame argument about anything I say.  

Ungood

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If they drop the NDA, could there be any worse response than what currently exists? 

LOL, as a player even I know that when it comes to gamers, that there is always a Worse Response they can manage.

With that said, I would bet MJ has a wall of where he displays his hate mail, So.. Again, if they have nothing to gain, there is no point in doing it.

Not a hard concept to grasp, even you should be able to understand it.

Keep laying those bricks my man...  

I explained the potential benefits.  If that went over your head... problem is on your side. I'm gonna guess that you did not buy Camelot Unchained and never followed it and the only reason you even responded was to try and take a lame swing and miss at me again.   
You disagree?  OK, noted.. and filed along with your other opinions like that of Crowfall.  Not gonna turn this thread into yet another one of your inane back and forths.  
 

I am not a brick layer dumbass, but since the only grasp you have on construction is signing off on a PO for a pre-fab, what I do would be beyond your comprehension. 

You have not explained any benefits, all you have done is make some patently false claim, but have your head so far up your ass that you do not know the difference between those two things.

No, I have not bought Camelot Unchained, I, Unlike you, do not make stupid investment in games, which is why no one should listen to your advance about what would be adventitious for a game.

As for Crowfall, you were one of those Ivory Tower DAOC players that cried that that the imbalance for the game was what would make it good and that it would be fixed by a large number of players, and then tried to go play this supposedly large scale Open World PvP War Game with a 9 person guild, and then cried that large guilds were killing the game.

You also seem to not grasp the idea of coverage in PvP wargames, so, if anyone wanted advance on how to make a game, or what would be good for a game, you are somewhere on the bottom of the list.

I said what I said.

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

The fact that you could not handle that absolute truth and wanted to try and turn this into a little spat fight, is the most telling here, and everyone can see you started this shit, and try to do some passive aggressive bullshit by saying "Oh after I started a spat fight with you, I am not going to spat fight with you"

So again..

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

So wrong it's pretty much unreadable.  Keep laying those bricks my boy.  They sink fast.  Another game (and concept) that you know little to nothing about but drone on about.  Its a pattern for years.  not gonna let you turn this into yet another lame back and forth.  

Someday when you are right about something be sure to bookmark it and show me.  Everything in your history has been wrong.  Over and over again.  You are literally only in this thread to try and make a lame argument about anything I say.  

Love the petty attempts at a jab about my job, pitiful as always, your like a child trying to take swings and crying as you do so. Let me clue you in, If you didn't want to have a spat fight, you never should have started one.

Again:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If you need me to add: Silly Request made by a pitiful person that has no idea how the world works.. I can do that next time.

Now go away, the adults were having a fun discussion.

Slapshot1188

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If they drop the NDA, could there be any worse response than what currently exists? 

LOL, as a player even I know that when it comes to gamers, that there is always a Worse Response they can manage.

With that said, I would bet MJ has a wall of where he displays his hate mail, So.. Again, if they have nothing to gain, there is no point in doing it.

Not a hard concept to grasp, even you should be able to understand it.

Keep laying those bricks my man...  

I explained the potential benefits.  If that went over your head... problem is on your side. I'm gonna guess that you did not buy Camelot Unchained and never followed it and the only reason you even responded was to try and take a lame swing and miss at me again.   
You disagree?  OK, noted.. and filed along with your other opinions like that of Crowfall.  Not gonna turn this thread into yet another one of your inane back and forths.  
 

I am not a brick layer dumbass, but since the only grasp you have on construction is signing off on a PO for a pre-fab, what I do would be beyond your comprehension. 

You have not explained any benefits, all you have done is make some patently false claim, but have your head so far up your ass that you do not know the difference between those two things.

No, I have not bought Camelot Unchained, I, Unlike you, do not make stupid investment in games, which is why no one should listen to your advance about what would be adventitious for a game.

As for Crowfall, you were one of those Ivory Tower DAOC players that cried that that the imbalance for the game was what would make it good and that it would be fixed by a large number of players, and then tried to go play this supposedly large scale Open World PvP War Game with a 9 person guild, and then cried that large guilds were killing the game.

You also seem to not grasp the idea of coverage in PvP wargames, so, if anyone wanted advance on how to make a game, or what would be good for a game, you are somewhere on the bottom of the list.

I said what I said.

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

The fact that you could not handle that absolute truth and wanted to try and turn this into a little spat fight, is the most telling here, and everyone can see you started this shit, and try to do some passive aggressive bullshit by saying "Oh after I started a spat fight with you, I am not going to spat fight with you"

So again..

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

So wrong it's pretty much unreadable.  Keep laying those bricks my boy.  They sink fast.  Another game (and concept) that you know little to nothing about but drone on about.  Its a pattern for years.  not gonna let you turn this into yet another lame back and forth.  

Someday when you are right about something be sure to bookmark it and show me.  Everything in your history has been wrong.  Over and over again.  You are literally only in this thread to try and make a lame argument about anything I say.  

Love the petty attempts at a jab about my job, pitiful as always, your like a child trying to take swings and crying as you do so. Let me clue you in, If you didn't want to have a spat fight, you never should have started one.

Again:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If you need me to add: Silly Request made by a pitiful person that has no idea how the world works.. I can do that next time.

Now go away, the adults were having a fun discussion.

LOL.  yeah the "adult" started the conversation.  You have no clue about the game, it's status, or anything else.  That is NOT an exaggeration.  Bet you could not even list 1 of the 3 realms in the game without looking it up.  You are here for one reason and that is clear.

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Ungood

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Ungood said:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If they drop the NDA, could there be any worse response than what currently exists? 

LOL, as a player even I know that when it comes to gamers, that there is always a Worse Response they can manage.

With that said, I would bet MJ has a wall of where he displays his hate mail, So.. Again, if they have nothing to gain, there is no point in doing it.

Not a hard concept to grasp, even you should be able to understand it.

Keep laying those bricks my man...  

I explained the potential benefits.  If that went over your head... problem is on your side. I'm gonna guess that you did not buy Camelot Unchained and never followed it and the only reason you even responded was to try and take a lame swing and miss at me again.   
You disagree?  OK, noted.. and filed along with your other opinions like that of Crowfall.  Not gonna turn this thread into yet another one of your inane back and forths.  
 

I am not a brick layer dumbass, but since the only grasp you have on construction is signing off on a PO for a pre-fab, what I do would be beyond your comprehension. 

You have not explained any benefits, all you have done is make some patently false claim, but have your head so far up your ass that you do not know the difference between those two things.

No, I have not bought Camelot Unchained, I, Unlike you, do not make stupid investment in games, which is why no one should listen to your advance about what would be adventitious for a game.

As for Crowfall, you were one of those Ivory Tower DAOC players that cried that that the imbalance for the game was what would make it good and that it would be fixed by a large number of players, and then tried to go play this supposedly large scale Open World PvP War Game with a 9 person guild, and then cried that large guilds were killing the game.

You also seem to not grasp the idea of coverage in PvP wargames, so, if anyone wanted advance on how to make a game, or what would be good for a game, you are somewhere on the bottom of the list.

I said what I said.

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

The fact that you could not handle that absolute truth and wanted to try and turn this into a little spat fight, is the most telling here, and everyone can see you started this shit, and try to do some passive aggressive bullshit by saying "Oh after I started a spat fight with you, I am not going to spat fight with you"

So again..

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

So wrong it's pretty much unreadable.  Keep laying those bricks my boy.  They sink fast.  Another game (and concept) that you know little to nothing about but drone on about.  Its a pattern for years.  not gonna let you turn this into yet another lame back and forth.  

Someday when you are right about something be sure to bookmark it and show me.  Everything in your history has been wrong.  Over and over again.  You are literally only in this thread to try and make a lame argument about anything I say.  

Love the petty attempts at a jab about my job, pitiful as always, your like a child trying to take swings and crying as you do so. Let me clue you in, If you didn't want to have a spat fight, you never should have started one.

Again:

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

If you need me to add: Silly Request made by a pitiful person that has no idea how the world works.. I can do that next time.

Now go away, the adults were having a fun discussion.

LOL.  yeah the "adult" started the conversation.  You have no clue about the game, it's status, or anything else.  That is NOT an exaggeration.  Bet you could not even list 1 of the 3 realms in the game without looking it up.  You are here for one reason and that is clear.

I made a point, regarding lifting the NDA, which has nothing to with the game itself, dummy.

Silly request, If they have nothing to gain, there is no reason for them to do it.

The fact that you lack the coping skills to deal with this, is why you are not an adult.

nurso

Slapshot1188 said:

But again... what good does the NDA do?

Speculation: The current state of CU is simply not yet presentable. Internally, there will probably be certain milestones that have not yet been met. Also, keeping the NDA discourages new & old backers from putting (more) money into the project.

Scot

I see this as devil and the deep blue sea, not sure how they are benefiting from such a long NDA, not sure they would gain anything by lifting it.

Slapshot1188

nurso said:

Slapshot1188 said:

But again... what good does the NDA do?

Speculation: The current state of CU is simply not yet presentable. Internally, there will probably be certain milestones that have not yet been met. Also, keeping the NDA discourages new & old backers from putting (more) money into the project.

Again though:  What is out there now is that there is no game, and that what little was developed is an unplayable mess with no completed game loops.   That is the general perception and that is why most people have utter apathy towards it.   

I have not logged into the game in a LOOONG time but I cannot believe that reception to what exists could be any worse than what he has now.  At worst it... confirms what is believed?   At best people say "Needs work sure but THIS specific thing or THAT specific thing look kind of cool.  

Right now it's on the Last Stand: Ragnarok path.

Slapshot1188

Scot said:

I see this as devil and the deep blue sea, not sure how they are benefiting from such a long NDA, not sure they would gain anything by lifting it.

certainly not a sure thing, but desperate times call for desperate measures and all that...

Doing the same thing but expecting different results... well you know what that describes.

Ungood

Scot said:

I see this as devil and the deep blue sea, not sure how they are benefiting from such a long NDA, not sure they would gain anything by lifting it.

That's the thing, they don't gain anything by lifting it, so they have no reason to do so.

This is a concept that @Slapshot simply lacks the means to grasp.

Nilden

If they had anything worth showing they would show it. 

They don't. There is no way they are going to drop the NDA on this. The last news letter almost 9 years in was concept art and sounds.

The second game they tried got released in early access with 3 players.

This is a dumpster fire with wet wool socks, old diapers and a dead raccoon with gas on it. Getting rid of the NDA is basically asking to open the lid. 

I would say this is another Crowfall in the making but that would be being mean to Crowfall which actually launched.

Not only do I agree with Ungood that this is silly I would add the Jameson "Are you serious?" meme

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Nilden said:

If they had anything worth showing they would show it. 

They don't. There is no way they are going to drop the NDA on this. The last news letter almost 9 years in was concept art and sounds.

The second game they tried got released in early access with 3 players.

This is a dumpster fire with wet wool socks, old diapers and a dead raccoon with gas on it. Getting rid of the NDA is basically asking to open the lid. 

I would say this is another Crowfall in the making but that would be being mean to Crowfall which actually launched.

Not only do I agree with Ungood that this is silly I would add the Jameson "Are you serious?" meme

So you are saying that if they release the NDA they might go down from 3 players to 2?