I don't like the term hesitancy. It draws unfortunate comparisons to the ongoing vaccine hesitancy story, as if to say "this is objectively good and you don't want it because of misinformation."
No, this isn't hesitancy. We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever. Nor what this technology is capable of that hasn't already been done better. We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun.
It is hesitancy because in the end, blockchain is going to be used whether you want it to or not. Just like with anything else people rail about, once it's implemented, the players still come.
There hasn't been a case yet where the technology, or even monetization changes that werw used completely prevented the market from expanding. Didn't happen with lootboxes. VR hasn't disappeared. Won't happen here.
There's going to be good usage of blockchain and bad. Chances are you're already interested in future games that plan to use it and you don't even realize it.
That's because the adoption of new business models has proven inherently undiplomatic. You can say that success of titles means market acceptance, but the reality is that such things are rigged from the start. 1) Because they inherently rely on extracting more money from a minority of people (ergo, a majority vote is meaningless) and 2) because these models are worked into already successful franchises that people are already set on buying.
LoL. This all reminds me of the 'outrage' that people had decades ago about F2P. I spent years explaining to people on this forum why for many F2P was a better choice, and how it was going to eventually be the dominant business model. My opinions were not popular, and people were upset about the changes in the market (and still are).
Crypto/NFT gaming falls in the same category. It offers something that will eventually become a dominant feature in all gaming. Just like with F2P, players will have the choice to make it work for them, or work against them (with similar results).
I highly doubt the powers that be are just going to sit on their asses and let their own money be devalued by such and we are already seeing government start to turn an eye on these so....just take a look at China's war on crypto.
The government is doing a pretty good job of devaluing money all on their.
The move into decentralized currencies is because of this devaluation of fiat, not the other way around.
You are quite naive if you think the appeal of crypto or nft has anything to do with the above.....lol
I don't like the term hesitancy. It draws unfortunate comparisons to the ongoing vaccine hesitancy story, as if to say "this is objectively good and you don't want it because of misinformation."
No, this isn't hesitancy. We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever. Nor what this technology is capable of that hasn't already been done better. We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun.
It is hesitancy because in the end, blockchain is going to be used whether you want it to or not. Just like with anything else people rail about, once it's implemented, the players still come.
There hasn't been a case yet where the technology, or even monetization changes that werw used completely prevented the market from expanding. Didn't happen with lootboxes. VR hasn't disappeared. Won't happen here.
There's going to be good usage of blockchain and bad. Chances are you're already interested in future games that plan to use it and you don't even realize it.
That's because the adoption of new business models has proven inherently undiplomatic. You can say that success of titles means market acceptance, but the reality is that such things are rigged from the start. 1) Because they inherently rely on extracting more money from a minority of people (ergo, a majority vote is meaningless) and 2) because these models are worked into already successful franchises that people are already set on buying.
But that's just what happens with "progress". I don't doubt at all that at some point there's going to be a final fantasy game with some type of NFT-esque ownership. Just like with mobile games, people here seem to hate them, but they are the most profitable and highest populated sect of gaming.
But we all hate it. How many people made fun of Diablo Immortal, but despite everyone making fun of it for years, we all know it's going to be a success whether or not we personally choose to play it. It's not what everyone said they wanted, but they are building it and the players will come.
We've shown developers over and over that this is what we do. You can't blame them for seeing it and brushing it off. That's why it's hesitancy. Because in the end the players will still show up, even if it's not us. Even if 70% of F2P players never spend a dime on a game, the whales will carry the dev team through. Even if the majority of the player base never buys an NFT the few that wants them will, and to developers that's all that matters.
I don't like the term hesitancy. It draws unfortunate comparisons to the ongoing vaccine hesitancy story, as if to say "this is objectively good and you don't want it because of misinformation."
No, this isn't hesitancy. We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever. Nor what this technology is capable of that hasn't already been done better. We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun.
I really think we're entering a space where a sub model, done well, could really make some headway. Once the NFT/block chain/crypto shilling is countered by hoards of angry customers there will be people looking to play games again.
Right now there are too many people with stars in their eyes.
It will take a couple of years, but once the thieves have made off with millions the NFT/Crypto/Blockchain nonsense will receive the same warm welcome as someone pimping Amway.
I don't like the term hesitancy. It draws unfortunate comparisons to the ongoing vaccine hesitancy story, as if to say "this is objectively good and you don't want it because of misinformation."
No, this isn't hesitancy. We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever. Nor what this technology is capable of that hasn't already been done better. We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun.
"We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever."
That statement is true which is why you should be supporting nft/crypto/p2e gaming because the old guard gaming industry that gave us ftp/cash shops/loot boxes/p2w had no active role in the creation of this new genre.
"We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun."
They've already been turned into second jobs but people have been conditioned so well by the old guard/legacy game companies that it's seen as 'normal' activity... daily log in, daily/weekly quests, events etc etc AND you pay THEM money to do it lol...
Let me ask you a question... If somehow they were able to bring back Marvel Heroes and Dawngate as NFT/P2E/Crypto games and instead of paying money for characters + skins you don't actually own they'd allow you to re-sell them for real money... would you play? If timed shard drops in MH were instead crypto currency that reward you for time played would you be opposed to that?
Chances are you're already interested in future games that plan to use it and you don't even realize it.
Truth. Just search Minecraft Enjin. << If you play ESO you may have contributed to this...
Legacy game companies are like banks folks... minus the part where we have the ability to get our money back... They use the billions/trillions we give them yearly and do whatever tf they want with it and at this very moment trying to figure out 'just the typ' ways to get everyone comfortable with NFT/Crypto/P2E. Only my opinion but chances are high that the less upfront companies like EA have already done some things undercover so if you play SWTOR you may have contributed to that too...
The best thing anyone new to this can do to inform themselves about any specific game is go on linkedin + their websites and SEE who's involved with these companies. You'll see that most/if not all are indie teams + some have prior work experience at AAA companies. At this moment it IS an indie game developer movement.. not sure if it'll stay that way but that's the fun part to see where it all goes.
My prediction is that 1-2 years from now(Jan 2023-2024) 70%+ of the people on this site will be playing a NFT/P2E/Crypto game as their main game and be happy as a pig in s**t.
We should all bookmark and come back to this thread then to see how opinions have changed or if ya'll can tell me & @bcbully how wrong we were.
I don't like the term hesitancy. It draws unfortunate comparisons to the ongoing vaccine hesitancy story, as if to say "this is objectively good and you don't want it because of misinformation."
No, this isn't hesitancy. We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever. Nor what this technology is capable of that hasn't already been done better. We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun.
"We know we don't want it, because you haven't demonstrated that you can use new monetization models responsibly, ever."
That statement is true which is why you should be supporting nft/crypto/p2e gaming because the old guard gaming industry that gave us ftp/cash shops/loot boxes/p2w had no active role in the creation of this new genre.
"We don't want our hobbies turned into second jobs, nor we don't want more monetization, and we do only want to play for fun."
They've already been turned into second jobs but people have been conditioned so well by the old guard/legacy game companies that it's seen as 'normal' activity... daily log in, daily/weekly quests, events etc etc AND you pay THEM money to do it lol...
Let me ask you a question... If somehow they were able to bring back Marvel Heroes and Dawngate as NFT/P2E/Crypto games and instead of paying money for characters + skins you don't actually own they'd allow you to re-sell them for real money... would you play? If timed shard drops in MH were instead crypto currency that reward you for time played would you be opposed to that?
I suppose my stance on PvE only games like MH are different, but still wary and would require some thought. I'm leaning towards no.
As for PvP games, absolutely not. And that's even if I did have confidence in the longevity of something like Dawngate, which I do not, because mobas are an impossible genre to enter, except by major IP.
I suppose my stance on PvE only games like MH are different, but still wary and would require some thought. I'm leaning towards no.
As for PvP games, absolutely not. And that's even if I did have confidence in the longevity of something like Dawngate, which I do not, because mobas are an impossible genre to enter, except by major IP.
You wouldn't play two of your favorite games if they were brought back AND they offered you money to play them?
I suppose my stance on PvE only games like MH are different, but still wary and would require some thought. I'm leaning towards no.
As for PvP games, absolutely not. And that's even if I did have confidence in the longevity of something like Dawngate, which I do not, because mobas are an impossible genre to enter, except by major IP.
You wouldn't play two of your favorite games if they were brought back AND they offered you money to play them?
That line of thinking is essentially how the industry works in new practices for the detriment of all games. You want the new Mass Effect? On disc dlc. You want the new Star Wars game? Surprise mechanics, pride, and accomplishment! You want Diablo? Auction house!
Ask me how I feel in 5 years when Guild Wars 3 is announced as an NFTCSoft mobile game.
My prediction is that 1-2 years from now(Jan 2023-2024) 70%+ of the people on this site will be playing a NFT/P2E/Crypto game as their main game and be happy as a pig in s**t.
We should all bookmark and come back to this thread then to see how opinions have changed or if ya'll can tell me & @bcbully how wrong we were.
I bet you are right on your first statement.
However presenting NFT as a true dream like BcBully has a tendency to do, is what makes your second statement wrong, especially pretending that it will be money making factory for gamers.
The companies will be the ones to make money from it and they will highlight big time each exception when actually a gamer made money from it, to make sure the masses still believe in the dream...
My prediction is that 1-2 years from now(Jan 2023-2024) 70%+ of the people on this site will be playing a NFT/P2E/Crypto game as their main game and be happy as a pig in s**t.
We should all bookmark and come back to this thread then to see how opinions have changed or if ya'll can tell me & @bcbully how wrong we were.
I bet you are right on your first statement.
However presenting NFT as a true dream like BcBully has a tendency to do, is what makes your second statement wrong, especially pretending that it will be money making factory for gamers.
The companies will be the ones to make money from it and they will highlight big time each exception when actually a gamer made money from it, to make sure the masses still believe in the dream...
I can promise you every single one of that 70% will make money. How much no telling. Some a little, some might do alright and some will earn a live playing games. Some will be stupid and blow all they make.
No one will get rich over night like some here like to say. You better believe some will get "rich" though, and to those on the outside it will look like overnight. If I said anything else I would be lying.
My prediction is that 1-2 years from now(Jan 2023-2024) 70%+ of the people on this site will be playing a NFT/P2E/Crypto game as their main game and be happy as a pig in s**t.
We should all bookmark and come back to this thread then to see how opinions have changed or if ya'll can tell me & @bcbully how wrong we were.
It's very unlikely that I'll be in that 70%. It's unlikely that my main game in a year or two will be something that hasn't already launched today. It's also unlikely that older games with a buy to play business model that have discontinued development will go back and add NFTs later.
My prediction is that 1-2 years from now(Jan 2023-2024) 70%+ of the people on this site will be playing a NFT/P2E/Crypto game as their main game and be happy as a pig in s**t.
We should all bookmark and come back to this thread then to see how opinions have changed or if ya'll can tell me & @bcbully how wrong we were.
I bet you are right on your first statement.
However presenting NFT as a true dream like BcBully has a tendency to do, is what makes your second statement wrong, especially pretending that it will be money making factory for gamers.
The companies will be the ones to make money from it and they will highlight big time each exception when actually a gamer made money from it, to make sure the masses still believe in the dream...
I can promise you every single one of that 70% will make money. How much no telling. Some a little, some might do alright and some will earn a live playing games. Some will be stupid and blow all they make.
No one will get rich over night like some here like to say. You better believe some will get "rich" though, and to those on the outside it will look like overnight. If I said anything else I would be lying.
70%. You're pulling that number right out of your ass at this point. You may be the best comedian on here by far. Keep the hits going, please.
You right you might not. If you can't tell where that "70%" came from, you should probably stick to board games, or card games, like solitare.
I made a similar statement about how you and Bc are going to be grumbling and complianing after the AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see
"AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see"
Anything is possible. The probability of AAA completely taking it over though heavily relies on regular gamers continuing to give them(AAA) money to fund their purchase of NFT/crypto gaming companies..
If AAA decides to buyout ALL crypto/NFT/p2e companies I wouldn't put blame on those indie companies one bit for taking the money. If AAA starts buying out everyone though there's no guarantee that new ones won't pop up so will they buy them too? Seems like a lot of money to dish out to get a lock on the industry.. would they even have that kind of money?
When they aquire those companies does the 'magic' disappear in the process of borgifying the company into a megacorp? The creative freedom right now is what's driving the nft/crypto/p2e genre with innovations and ideas completely free of the old guard(AAA) gaming industry. I'd go as far as saying that even the implementation of the p2e feature is more innovation than we've seen in regular gaming in 10+ years..
It's very unlikely that I'll be in that 70%. It's unlikely that my main game in a year or two will be something that hasn't already launched today.It's also unlikely that older games with a buy to play business model that have discontinued development will go back and add NFTs later.
"It's unlikely that my main game in a year or two will be something that hasn't already launched today."
Prediction Time... 1-2 years from now 50%+ of 'whales/kraken' that buy 'gold' to p2w in Albion will be playing Ember Sword exclusively. Both mobile games but one gives you something($) back for your investment/time.
"It's also unlikely that older games with a buy to play business model
that have discontinued development will go back and add NFTs later."Hypotheticals are fun though.
I made a similar statement about how you and Bc are going to be grumbling and complianing after the AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see
"AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see"
Anything is possible. The probability of AAA completely taking it over though heavily relies on regular gamers continuing to give them(AAA) money to fund their purchase of NFT/crypto gaming companies..
If AAA decides to buyout ALL crypto/NFT/p2e companies I wouldn't put blame on those indie companies one bit for taking the money. If AAA starts buying out everyone though there's no guarantee that new ones won't pop up so will they buy them too? Seems like a lot of money to dish out to get a lock on the industry.. would they even have that kind of money?
When they aquire those companies does the 'magic' disappear in the process of borgifying the company into a megacorp? The creative freedom right now is what's driving the nft/crypto/p2e genre with innovations and ideas completely free of the old guard(AAA) gaming industry. I'd go as far as saying that even the implementation of the p2e feature is more innovation than we've seen in regular gaming in 10+ years..
All of the crypto utopia arguments boil down to one fatal flaw: you guys think *this time* all the right people will do *all the right things* with a new monetization model.
But you have provided pretty much zero evidence that should be reasonably expected here.
I made a similar statement about how you and Bc are going to be grumbling and complianing after the AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see
"AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see"
Anything is possible. The probability of AAA completely taking it over though heavily relies on regular gamers continuing to give them(AAA) money to fund their purchase of NFT/crypto gaming companies..
If AAA decides to buyout ALL crypto/NFT/p2e companies I wouldn't put blame on those indie companies one bit for taking the money. If AAA starts buying out everyone though there's no guarantee that new ones won't pop up so will they buy them too? Seems like a lot of money to dish out to get a lock on the industry.. would they even have that kind of money?
When they aquire those companies does the 'magic' disappear in the process of borgifying the company into a megacorp? The creative freedom right now is what's driving the nft/crypto/p2e genre with innovations and ideas completely free of the old guard(AAA) gaming industry. I'd go as far as saying that even the implementation of the p2e feature is more innovation than we've seen in regular gaming in 10+ years..
All of the crypto utopia arguments boil down to one fatal flaw: you guys think *this time* all the right people will do *all the right things* with a new monetization model.
But you have provided pretty much zero evidence that should be reasonably expected here.
Nah man boils down to people are doing the right things right now.
I made a similar statement about how you and Bc are going to be grumbling and complianing after the AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see
"AAA space twists this and other companies follow but we shall see"
Anything is possible. The probability of AAA completely taking it over though heavily relies on regular gamers continuing to give them(AAA) money to fund their purchase of NFT/crypto gaming companies..
If AAA decides to buyout ALL crypto/NFT/p2e companies I wouldn't put blame on those indie companies one bit for taking the money. If AAA starts buying out everyone though there's no guarantee that new ones won't pop up so will they buy them too? Seems like a lot of money to dish out to get a lock on the industry.. would they even have that kind of money?
When they aquire those companies does the 'magic' disappear in the process of borgifying the company into a megacorp? The creative freedom right now is what's driving the nft/crypto/p2e genre with innovations and ideas completely free of the old guard(AAA) gaming industry. I'd go as far as saying that even the implementation of the p2e feature is more innovation than we've seen in regular gaming in 10+ years..
All of the crypto utopia arguments boil down to one fatal flaw: you guys think *this time* all the right people will do *all the right things* with a new monetization model.
But you have provided pretty much zero evidence that should be reasonably expected here.
Nah man boils down to people are doing the right things right now.
And Chris Roberts, Mark Jacobs, et al were doing the exact right things when they started their crowdfunded MMORPG projects. Avoiding the big bad publishers who always drove these ambitious projects into the ground, remember? Now those projects have become meme material.
F2P microtransaction games became exactly what gamers thought, too. Because greed is inevitable.
It isn't a question of hesitancy about the tech or the workings it is how it will be bastardized by game companies to make us the players bloody absolutely miserable in the end. We as players will be looking for the best of the worse and justifying our purchases as 'not as bad as'. This is why we are scared. It is not because we are too stupid to appreciate the opportunities but more like the average gamer is going to get screwed.
Word on the street is banks are now gearing up to support crypto as a more secure international transaction option. Not sure if this is good or bad yet.
Blockchain, not crypto"currency". There is a difference.
While true, he's not wrong, the bank I work for is ramping up hard to help clients manage their cryptocurrency assets, there's big money out there in providing such services to larger investors.
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But we all hate it. How many people made fun of Diablo Immortal, but despite everyone making fun of it for years, we all know it's going to be a success whether or not we personally choose to play it. It's not what everyone said they wanted, but they are building it and the players will come.
We've shown developers over and over that this is what we do. You can't blame them for seeing it and brushing it off. That's why it's hesitancy. Because in the end the players will still show up, even if it's not us. Even if 70% of F2P players never spend a dime on a game, the whales will carry the dev team through. Even if the majority of the player base never buys an NFT the few that wants them will, and to developers that's all that matters.
As for PvP games, absolutely not. And that's even if I did have confidence in the longevity of something like Dawngate, which I do not, because mobas are an impossible genre to enter, except by major IP.
Ask me how I feel in 5 years when Guild Wars 3 is announced as an NFTCSoft mobile game.
No one will get rich over night like some here like to say. You better believe some will get "rich" though, and to those on the outside it will look like overnight. If I said anything else I would be lying.
edit - better yet stick to forum games.
But you have provided pretty much zero evidence that should be reasonably expected here.
F2P microtransaction games became exactly what gamers thought, too. Because greed is inevitable.
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