"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
I am already getting the feeling this will be far closer in lore quality to the ridiculous 'The Hobbit' than the amazing 'The Lord of the Rings' film.
"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
I am already getting the feeling this will be far closer in lore quality to the ridiculous 'The Hobbit' than the amazing 'The Lord of the Rings' film.
Yeah i still havent watched them all. I think I made it 1/2way through the first one. I mean, how do you turn a 300 page book into 3 movies around 500 minutes in length?
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"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
I am already getting the feeling this will be far closer in lore quality to the ridiculous 'The Hobbit' than the amazing 'The Lord of the Rings' film.
Yeah i still havent watched them all. I think I made it 1/2way through the first one. I mean, how do you turn a 300 page book into 3 movies around 500 minutes in length?
"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
I am already getting the feeling this will be far closer in lore quality to the ridiculous 'The Hobbit' than the amazing 'The Lord of the Rings' film.
Yeah i still havent watched them all. I think I made it 1/2way through the first one. I mean, how do you turn a 300 page book into 3 movies around 500 minutes in length?
I watched all three Hobbit movies..once, never again.
Now I can rewatch the Battle for Helms Deep endlessly, though I can't say I was a big fan of the first of the LOTR movies, but the 2nd and 3rd made up for it.
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"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
It's at the same time true and a cop out.
Yes, things need to change in order to make a game playable. Or even adapt a book to a movie.
The problem is that some people use that as an excuse to make the property their own and change things that didn't need to be changed.
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"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
It's at the same time true and a cop out.
Yes, things need to change in order to make a game playable. Or even adapt a book to a movie.
The problem is that some people use that as an excuse to make the property their own and change things that didn't need to be changed.
100% agree.
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Could you argue that it was dragged down a point because of "review bombing"? Sure, you can make that case.
You could also argue that it was dragged down much more than 1 point.
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For decades now no one here complaining has batted at an eye at how bad Turbine/SSG has trampled all over the lore and have hand waved past their horrible loot crates. But you all are worried because RoP ruffled your socio-political jimmies? Give me a break.
If you really cared about the lore and took LotRO to task then I might buy into the sincerity shtick, but you don't so the complaints sound a lot more like opportunistic rabble rousing. Unless of course people are just fine with dorfs and humans chillin with the Lord and Lady in Loth, Moria being a themepark adventure ride, and a slew of generic quests including poop fetch quests, and generally mediocre writing.
Guess you must have missed the uproar over the Runekeepers or whatever they are called. That was some serious disagreeing...
A few squeaky objections 15 years ago is your example of LotRO also being objectively criticized? Please. Where are those posters now because none of the people in this thread ever make a peep at how LotRO continues to trample all over the lore to this day.
Runekeepers, by far, aren't even the worst or most recent offenders. So, that one little buzz event 15 years ago doesn't really count as people treating it the same. There is more outrage in this one thread than all the LotRO threads on this site combined over the years. So please, don't try and use "but but the Runekeepers" as the lone weak example of how posters on this site have objectively treated LotRO and continue to do so.
The issues with players who love lore in Lotro probably began with goat mounts, but this series goes way beyond that. I do not know one person who I think of as a Tolkien buff who will defend it. Even those who laud the diversity can't overlook the mire of lore issues it had. There is no comparison.
I'd say it started with Runekeepers and Loremasters. I didn't care since Fantasy MMO's need magic classes of some kind. I was always put off by the giant bog creeper pets though.
For decades now no one here complaining has batted at an eye at how bad Turbine/SSG has trampled all over the lore and have hand waved past their horrible loot crates. But you all are worried because RoP ruffled your socio-political jimmies? Give me a break.
If you really cared about the lore and took LotRO to task then I might buy into the sincerity shtick, but you don't so the complaints sound a lot more like opportunistic rabble rousing. Unless of course people are just fine with dorfs and humans chillin with the Lord and Lady in Loth, Moria being a themepark adventure ride, and a slew of generic quests including poop fetch quests, and generally mediocre writing.
Guess you must have missed the uproar over the Runekeepers or whatever they are called. That was some serious disagreeing...
A few squeaky objections 15 years ago is your example of LotRO also being objectively criticized? Please. Where are those posters now because none of the people in this thread ever make a peep at how LotRO continues to trample all over the lore to this day.
Runekeepers, by far, aren't even the worst or most recent offenders. So, that one little buzz event 15 years ago doesn't really count as people treating it the same. There is more outrage in this one thread than all the LotRO threads on this site combined over the years. So please, don't try and use "but but the Runekeepers" as the lone weak example of how posters on this site have objectively treated LotRO and continue to do so.
The issues with players who love lore in Lotro probably began with goat mounts, but this series goes way beyond that. I do not know one person who I think of as a Tolkien buff who will defend it. Even those who laud the diversity can't overlook the mire of lore issues it had. There is no comparison.
I'd say it started with Runekeepers and Loremasters. I didn't care since Fantasy MMO's need magic classes of some kind. I was always put off by the giant bog creeper pets though.
hmmm I don't think they need magic classes. I do think that people want magic classes.
There could have been a lord of the rings mmorpg where players just played humans and they interacted with npc hobbits, elves, dwarves "whatever."
That could have worked very well and even aligned more closely with the actual lore. But players want to be hobbits, dwarves, elves, "whatever" and in some cases they want to be some sort of Gandalf.
So developers cater to that.
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"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
I am already getting the feeling this will be far closer in lore quality to the ridiculous 'The Hobbit' than the amazing 'The Lord of the Rings' film.
Yeah i still havent watched them all. I think I made it 1/2way through the first one. I mean, how do you turn a 300 page book into 3 movies around 500 minutes in length?
I only saw the first one in the theater and saved the last two for home viewing. There are fan edits that either try to only include books stuff and such while also cutting them down to two or two and a half hours.
But honestly I'd rather just watch the Rankin Bass cartoon of the Hobbit.
But if you actually care about reviews and statistics, 71% from critics and 2.9 from the masses. That is the stereotypical Metacritic score for something that is more or less OK but got review bombed for reasons.
Also, InB4 "but reviewers from major publications are all corrupt, paid shills."
Reviewers are not necessarilly all paid shills, but most do reflect a particular bias and leaning to a certain world viewpoint.
But I do have to say, in this instance the most important fact seems to be that nearly 2 out of 3 people who started watching the show did not make it to the end (if that stat is real. I have no idea where it's from). I mean, there would be people who actually had some kind of interest in the show and disliked it enough not to watch it to the end.
Now folks have a real wide range of likes and dislikes and we see it every day on these forums. One persons garbage is another person's treasure. But I thik it's pretty obvious that if you are a streaming service that paid ludicrous money (like ludicrous speed from spaceballs) you would probably want the majority of your customers to like it enough to bother watching it to the end. I do not think this is even open to debate.
Confirmation bias.
There are several shows on Netflix, Prims, and HBO Max that I like which I haven't finished. I might get around to them or not but that doesn't mean I don't think they're good or worth watching.
With shows I think are superb? Yeah, I consume those to the very end ASAP and sometimes go back and rewatch them. Rings of Power was not superb - 71% is about right IMO. The 2,9 from the mob isn't. That's just bombing for many reasons and it's a score that is full of shit.
I think you are an example of your own confirmation bias. ROP released over 8 months ago. I think its safe to say that most of thoise folks are unlikely to go back at this point, but sure there is the edge case. I mean... it's only 8 episodes.
And the 37% is actually pretty close to the 2.9 rating is it not? Its a lot closer to that score than the 71% that you "feel" is about right.
That doesn't invalidate your enjoyment of the show. At all. Just like some people love games on here that get scored low. Different strokes for different folks. Just be careful about constantly disregarding and degrading the opinions of OTHER folks.
But again, more importantly... if a company paid ludicrous money, and I hear the commitment is upwards of one billion dollars, to make a show... I think they want a lot more than 37% of the viewers to even make it to the end of the 8 episode season 1...
And maybe even more importantly to US... if Amazon was really happy with it's reception they probably would have wanted to tie in the game to it. And it's certainly possible they still will, but at this point it seems like they intend to go with the 3rd age. I guess we will see
I'm not looking for confirmation because I don't really give a shit who likes it or doesn't and I'm not trying to "win" anything about my opinion being the correct one - that's what you and Nilden are doing, not me.
I watched and liked it and that mob review bombing on Metacritic, which is not all but definitely includes racist fucks, can just piss off.
THIS. Specially racist fucks. Those can always get lost and die in fire.
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For decades now no one here complaining has batted at an eye at how bad Turbine/SSG has trampled all over the lore and have hand waved past their horrible loot crates. But you all are worried because RoP ruffled your socio-political jimmies? Give me a break.
If you really cared about the lore and took LotRO to task then I might buy into the sincerity shtick, but you don't so the complaints sound a lot more like opportunistic rabble rousing. Unless of course people are just fine with dorfs and humans chillin with the Lord and Lady in Loth, Moria being a themepark adventure ride, and a slew of generic quests including poop fetch quests, and generally mediocre writing.
Guess you must have missed the uproar over the Runekeepers or whatever they are called. That was some serious disagreeing...
A few squeaky objections 15 years ago is your example of LotRO also being objectively criticized? Please. Where are those posters now because none of the people in this thread ever make a peep at how LotRO continues to trample all over the lore to this day.
Runekeepers, by far, aren't even the worst or most recent offenders. So, that one little buzz event 15 years ago doesn't really count as people treating it the same. There is more outrage in this one thread than all the LotRO threads on this site combined over the years. So please, don't try and use "but but the Runekeepers" as the lone weak example of how posters on this site have objectively treated LotRO and continue to do so.
I'm a LOTRO fan.
I co-ran LOTRO Vault, before the Vault network was shutdown by IGN.
I still have a lifetime subscription.
And I know the flaws of that game first hand.
I will pass the technical side, like how clunky the combat was back then even compared to older games like WoW.
But lore wise... it was a catastrophe from day one.
- Elves running all over the place, having drinks at the Prancing Pony. Really ? Just that point is terrible lore wise, and makes LOTRO an interesting "WoW like in Middle Earth", but not a Tolkien based game. - Same with hobbits, to a lesser extent though. Too many hobbits outside the shire. - Loremaster using crap tricks to justify the presence of magic without it being magic. Don't get me wrong, I played a loremaster and had fun, but lore wise that class is terrible.
But with the expansions, it only got worse...
- Runemaster. Sith lords in Middle-Earth please ! Such bullshit ! - The Moria is actually flat. They added some "tricks" and teleports to make you believe it's a dungeon, but it's a flat zoned map. That was terrible to me, who was expecting the mother of all open world dungeons. - The Moria has more lights than a disco night club on a Saturday evening ! It's supposed to be dark and gritty. It's smooth and luminous. - Elves turning fellow elves into pincushions at the entrance of the Lothlorien. That would NEVER happen.
I'll stop there, that's just out of my mind, but LOTRO, lore wise, was not just full of concessions... it was plain awful in some parts. Just terrible.
Let's see what the next game will do better... or worse.
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Is
this a game just "set" in the Tolkien universe? Or a game that actually
is about the Return of the King and the destruction of the One Ring?
In the article a Embracer spokesperson mentions 'those beloved stories from the Hobbit and LotR'.
The thing is I'm pretty sure this license is the exact same as the one Leyou got / had when Amazon partnered with them which means access to the Hobbit, LotR AND the APPENDIXES. Which would allow Amazon to mine the Appendixes to create their own story and / or visit the 2nd Age.
Of course a 2nd Age game might be for the best as it wouldn't be a direct competitor of LotRO.
It's already confirmed to be set in the Third Age.
"Hartmann said that he wanted the new MMO to last at least 10 years and to become “the largest MMO out there.” He also hinted that the game wouldn’t be quite as faithful to J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings.
“It’s not going to help me if someone is saying, ‘That’s a perfect representation of the book in a game,'” he said. “If you’re really into that, read the book. Read it another five times. Otherwise, if it’s a game, a game has to do with playing, and they have to be playful, so there needs to be a little bit of being able to bend the rules to make it a great game.”"
I am already getting the feeling this will be far closer in lore quality to the ridiculous 'The Hobbit' than the amazing 'The Lord of the Rings' film.
Yeah i still havent watched them all. I think I made it 1/2way through the first one. I mean, how do you turn a 300 page book into 3 movies around 500 minutes in length?
Whilst I totally understand where you are coming from, in reality the advertures in The Hobbit and the adventures in LotR take about the same amount of time.
Both Bilbo and Frodo were ~51 when they set off
Both adventures took about 1 year
Both adventures went pretty much the same direction and pretty much the same distance
It's just that The Hobbit was written for kids, and LotR for adults, so the latter included a ton of detail that would bore a child.
I did actually enjoy The Hobbit movies myself, but there was a clear difference with LotR. Main thing for me was just the shear amount of CGI and movie sets, gave the whole set a very fake feel. LotR by comparison felt so routed in the landscape, really helped get into things.
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What, like the Battle of Bywater? Guess that wasn't orcs, but it was Saurman.
Not big on PvP myself though. Don't feel it inherently necessary as a core mechanic, though could be handled just fine by arena/tourney style content.
The problem is putting it in the hands of players. Players are assholes. If they can abuse something, they will. That's why open world PvP doesn't work well in general, and definitely won't work of a Middle Eartth based MMORPG.
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What, like the Battle of Bywater? Guess that wasn't orcs, but it was Saurman.
Not big on PvP myself though. Don't feel it inherently necessary as a core mechanic, though could be handled just fine by arena/tourney style content.
The problem is putting it in the hands of players. Players are assholes. If they can abuse something, they will. That's why open world PvP doesn't work well in general, and definitely won't work of a Middle Eartth based MMORPG.
I'm very much against "open world pvp" in the entirety of middle earth. It doesn't work by having orcs trying to take over Rivendell or trolls decimating the shire.
However, I do believer there were areas of middle earth that were under contention. Didn't Rohan have their issues with orc raiders or some such thing.
That's where I think having ffa pvp could work.
It makes sense with the IP and it gives a certain demographic something to do with regards to pvp.
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My concern around PvP is less around the Lore (which is definitely an issue) but more around the other items like balance and exploits and bugs and what it would do to server performance etc.
I say let them focus on PvE and make it the best game it can be.
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What, like the Battle of Bywater? Guess that wasn't orcs, but it was Saurman.
Not big on PvP myself though. Don't feel it inherently necessary as a core mechanic, though could be handled just fine by arena/tourney style content.
The problem is putting it in the hands of players. Players are assholes. If they can abuse something, they will. That's why open world PvP doesn't work well in general, and definitely won't work of a Middle Eartth based MMORPG.
I'm very much against "open world pvp" in the entirety of middle earth. It doesn't work by having orcs trying to take over Rivendell or trolls decimating the shire.
However, I do believer there were areas of middle earth that were under contention. Didn't Rohan have their issues with orc raiders or some such thing.
That's where I think having ffa pvp could work.
It makes sense with the IP and it gives a certain demographic something to do with regards to pvp.
On that I agree. But it must be stricktly controlled.
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Now I can rewatch the Battle for Helms Deep endlessly, though I can't say I was a big fan of the first of the LOTR movies, but the 2nd and 3rd made up for it.
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Yes, things need to change in order to make a game playable. Or even adapt a book to a movie.
The problem is that some people use that as an excuse to make the property their own and change things that didn't need to be changed.
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There could have been a lord of the rings mmorpg where players just played humans and they interacted with npc hobbits, elves, dwarves "whatever."
That could have worked very well and even aligned more closely with the actual lore. But players want to be hobbits, dwarves, elves, "whatever" and in some cases they want to be some sort of Gandalf.
So developers cater to that.
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I googled it too ..lol It's no longer a risk like they thought it was in 2006. We are saved yay!!!!
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
But honestly I'd rather just watch the Rankin Bass cartoon of the Hobbit.
THIS.
Specially racist fucks. Those can always get lost and die in fire.
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And I know the flaws of that game first hand.
I will pass the technical side, like how clunky the combat was back then even compared to older games like WoW.
But lore wise... it was a catastrophe from day one.
- Elves running all over the place, having drinks at the Prancing Pony. Really ? Just that point is terrible lore wise, and makes LOTRO an interesting "WoW like in Middle Earth", but not a Tolkien based game.
- Same with hobbits, to a lesser extent though. Too many hobbits outside the shire.
- Loremaster using crap tricks to justify the presence of magic without it being magic. Don't get me wrong, I played a loremaster and had fun, but lore wise that class is terrible.
But with the expansions, it only got worse...
- The Moria is actually flat. They added some "tricks" and teleports to make you believe it's a dungeon, but it's a flat zoned map. That was terrible to me, who was expecting the mother of all open world dungeons.
- The Moria has more lights than a disco night club on a Saturday evening ! It's supposed to be dark and gritty. It's smooth and luminous.
- Elves turning fellow elves into pincushions at the entrance of the Lothlorien. That would NEVER happen.
I'll stop there, that's just out of my mind, but LOTRO, lore wise, was not just full of concessions... it was plain awful in some parts. Just terrible.
Let's see what the next game will do better... or worse.
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That would suck. Orcs invading Bree or the Shire doesn't make any sense in Tolkien's lore of the third age.
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Not big on PvP myself though. Don't feel it inherently necessary as a core mechanic, though could be handled just fine by arena/tourney style content.
The problem is putting it in the hands of players. Players are assholes.
If they can abuse something, they will.
That's why open world PvP doesn't work well in general, and definitely won't work of a Middle Eartth based MMORPG.
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However, I do believer there were areas of middle earth that were under contention. Didn't Rohan have their issues with orc raiders or some such thing.
That's where I think having ffa pvp could work.
It makes sense with the IP and it gives a certain demographic something to do with regards to pvp.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I say let them focus on PvE and make it the best game it can be.
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On that I agree. But it must be stricktly controlled.
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