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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
If thats the case, and after reading the comment he actually wrote, which I dont see how anyone without inside knowledge would know he was talking about this stupid 247 survival mode they are doing, it just looks to me like VR is a sinking ship and is looking to fire anybody they can to save money.
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
If thats the case, and after reading the comment he actually wrote, which I dont see how anyone without inside knowledge would know he was talking about this stupid 247 survival mode they are doing, it just looks to me like VR is a sinking ship and is looking to fire anybody they can to save money.
The original Reddit comment that got me terminated was a reply to someone buried deep in a thread that maybe 3-4 people saw, and it said:
"Dead? Haha We've just had a PA weekend and are moving towards 24/7 server uptime. We are far from dead, and development is progressing nicely!"
As you can see, I didn't even mention or leak the mode or change in art style, just that we were moving towards keeping the server up 24/7, which we were and the community mostly already knew via Joppa and VIPs leaking it days/weeks earlier.
But as soon as I was told to remove it, I did immediately.
No prior warnings or issues in my almost 10 year exployment (other than a couple of years prior being dragged into a HR chat with Tony (Minus) when he was being childish and stepping on my CM toes and posting things he shouldn't) but still, instantly terminated on grounds that I had done insurmountable damage to the company and marketing of the new mode. (as stated by Michael Butler)
In case anyone was wondering, Joppa has been spilling the beans on official Discord over the past several days. Someone compiled his responses on the official Pantheon forums.
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
Pretty sure I said all that in my post summary. But thanks for the clarification.
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record. In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
Pretty sure I said all that in my post summary. But thanks for the clarification.
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record. In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
Exactly mate. I had previously taken a 50% pay cut when the company struggled. So they knew I was loyal and passionate. My performance was often praised for going above and beyond with details, databases, working hours and quality in my work, so for someone to say I was doing a poor job doesn't make sense.
I had so much work going on in the background and foreground for them; it was insane. After signing a contract stating I was forming my own department, this shift in departments was a red flag I didn't notice then.
They also knew I was well-liked and respected within the community, so to me, this seemed like the only way they could get rid of me by trying to make some weak incident stick and tarnish my record with some hyperbole about ruining the company marketing campaign around this 24/7 mess.
It reeks of set-up, but I'm just glad to be away from it now and back in the community I came from.
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
Pretty sure I said all that in my post summary. But thanks for the clarification.
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record. In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
Exactly mate. I had previously taken a 50% pay cut when the company struggled. So they knew I was loyal and passionate. My performance was often praised for going above and beyond with details, databases, working hours and quality in my work, so for someone to say I was doing a poor job doesn't make sense.
I had so much work going on in the background and foreground for them; it was insane. After signing a contract stating I was forming my own department, this shift in departments was a red flag I didn't notice then.
They also knew I was well-liked and respected within the community, so to me, this seemed like the only way they could get rid of me by trying to make some weak incident stick and tarnish my record with some hyperbole about ruining the company marketing campaign around this 24/7 mess.
It reeks of set-up, but I'm just glad to be away from it now and back in the community I came from.
Honestly I think they needed to make some cutbacks in staff and as is often the case with RIFs the employers have to really "reach" to find dismissal reasons that help them sleep better at night.
You have more than enough material to make a case to another employer if the reason for your "dismissal" ever comes up.
One bit of advice that you didn't ask for.
Probably better for you to step into the background as this clown show continues forward.
As a hiring manager myself back in the day I never paid much attention to candidates with controversial backgrounds.
Once everyone has new material to rage at in the next announcement don't opine, just go out and find yourself a new game dev position while everyone else is thrashing over the Embers ..err Ashes... err, darn I can't seem to help myself.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
Pretty sure I said all that in my post summary. But thanks for the clarification.
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record. In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
Exactly mate. I had previously taken a 50% pay cut when the company struggled. So they knew I was loyal and passionate. My performance was often praised for going above and beyond with details, databases, working hours and quality in my work, so for someone to say I was doing a poor job doesn't make sense.
I had so much work going on in the background and foreground for them; it was insane. After signing a contract stating I was forming my own department, this shift in departments was a red flag I didn't notice then.
They also knew I was well-liked and respected within the community, so to me, this seemed like the only way they could get rid of me by trying to make some weak incident stick and tarnish my record with some hyperbole about ruining the company marketing campaign around this 24/7 mess.
It reeks of set-up, but I'm just glad to be away from it now and back in the community I came from.
Honestly I think they needed to make some cutbacks in staff and as is often the case with RIFs the employers have to really "reach" to find dismissal reasons that help them sleep better at night.
You have more than enough material to make a case to another employer if the reason for your "dismissal" ever comes up.
One bit of advice that you didn't ask for.
Probably better for you to step into the background as this clown show continues forward.
As a hiring manager myself back in the day I never paid much attention to candidates with controversial backgrounds.
Once everyone has new material to rage at in the next announcement don't opine, just go out and find yourself a new game dev position while everyone else is thrashing over the Embers ..err Ashes... err, darn I can't seem to help myself.
Good luck.....
Yeah, I agree.
I appreciate the advice and that would be how I normally behave but in this instance I am replying for two reasons.
1) I run my own business, it's successful and I have no plans to work for anyone else again.
2) VR has a strict no talk policy internally about employee terminations, so most of the team members who thought positively of me, will be told I broke some major company policy and was immedaitely terminated, leaving it up to their imaginination as to what I did but will not argue or ask questions. I want those team members to know what actually happened and how poorly VR treats an almost 10 year veteran so they can have more insight into the moral of the company and how they treat contractors (which is what we all are, just disposable contractors).
Appreciate your kind words and advice though, my friend, thank you
My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
Pretty sure I said all that in my post summary. But thanks for the clarification.
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record. In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
Exactly mate. I had previously taken a 50% pay cut when the company struggled. So they knew I was loyal and passionate. My performance was often praised for going above and beyond with details, databases, working hours and quality in my work, so for someone to say I was doing a poor job doesn't make sense.
I had so much work going on in the background and foreground for them; it was insane. After signing a contract stating I was forming my own department, this shift in departments was a red flag I didn't notice then.
They also knew I was well-liked and respected within the community, so to me, this seemed like the only way they could get rid of me by trying to make some weak incident stick and tarnish my record with some hyperbole about ruining the company marketing campaign around this 24/7 mess.
It reeks of set-up, but I'm just glad to be away from it now and back in the community I came from.
Honestly I think they needed to make some cutbacks in staff and as is often the case with RIFs the employers have to really "reach" to find dismissal reasons that help them sleep better at night.
You have more than enough material to make a case to another employer if the reason for your "dismissal" ever comes up.
One bit of advice that you didn't ask for.
Probably better for you to step into the background as this clown show continues forward.
As a hiring manager myself back in the day I never paid much attention to candidates with controversial backgrounds.
Once everyone has new material to rage at in the next announcement don't opine, just go out and find yourself a new game dev position while everyone else is thrashing over the Embers ..err Ashes... err, darn I can't seem to help myself.
Good luck.....
Yeah, I agree.
I appreciate the advice and that would be how I normally behave but in this instance I am replying for two reasons.
1) I run my own business, it's successful and I have no plans to work for anyone else again.
2) VR has a strict no talk policy internally about employee terminations, so most of the team members who thought positively of me, will be told I broke some major company policy and was immedaitely terminated, leaving it up to their imaginination as to what I did but will not argue or ask questions. I want those team members to know what actually happened and how poorly VR treats an almost 10 year veteran so they can have more insight into the moral of the company and how they treat contractors (which is what we all are, just disposable contractors).
Appreciate your kind words and advice though, my friend, thank you
Does this mean you are turning down their most generous offer of the VIP account at launch?
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My story doesn't conflict with the images in any way. Everything in the images is true but happened AFTER Kilsin was fired. He wasn't fired for talking investors or backers out of giving to Pantheon. Ask yourself, would Kilsin had been intentionally warning investors and backers about this new 24/7 mode online and then be "shocked” as he was
in the image to be fired if he got caught, or would he have been shocked
if this came unexpectedly because he had made a simple mistake by
posting that pre-alpha testing was going 24/7.
So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
Almost. The other part I was trying to make is that Kilsin was not attempting to warn investors and potential pledges, which is where this comments section and Reddit was going with it. Also, the comment on Reddit was the excuse VR used to fire Kilsin, not necessarily the only reason.
edit: Kilsin had said this felt like a setup to him. I agree in a way that it seems as though this was the opportunity VR HR could take.
Pretty sure I said all that in my post summary. But thanks for the clarification.
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record. In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
Exactly mate. I had previously taken a 50% pay cut when the company struggled. So they knew I was loyal and passionate. My performance was often praised for going above and beyond with details, databases, working hours and quality in my work, so for someone to say I was doing a poor job doesn't make sense.
I had so much work going on in the background and foreground for them; it was insane. After signing a contract stating I was forming my own department, this shift in departments was a red flag I didn't notice then.
They also knew I was well-liked and respected within the community, so to me, this seemed like the only way they could get rid of me by trying to make some weak incident stick and tarnish my record with some hyperbole about ruining the company marketing campaign around this 24/7 mess.
It reeks of set-up, but I'm just glad to be away from it now and back in the community I came from.
Honestly I think they needed to make some cutbacks in staff and as is often the case with RIFs the employers have to really "reach" to find dismissal reasons that help them sleep better at night.
You have more than enough material to make a case to another employer if the reason for your "dismissal" ever comes up.
One bit of advice that you didn't ask for.
Probably better for you to step into the background as this clown show continues forward.
As a hiring manager myself back in the day I never paid much attention to candidates with controversial backgrounds.
Once everyone has new material to rage at in the next announcement don't opine, just go out and find yourself a new game dev position while everyone else is thrashing over the Embers ..err Ashes... err, darn I can't seem to help myself.
Good luck.....
Yeah, I agree.
I appreciate the advice and that would be how I normally behave but in this instance I am replying for two reasons.
1) I run my own business, it's successful and I have no plans to work for anyone else again.
2) VR has a strict no talk policy internally about employee terminations, so most of the team members who thought positively of me, will be told I broke some major company policy and was immedaitely terminated, leaving it up to their imaginination as to what I did but will not argue or ask questions. I want those team members to know what actually happened and how poorly VR treats an almost 10 year veteran so they can have more insight into the moral of the company and how they treat contractors (which is what we all are, just disposable contractors).
Appreciate your kind words and advice though, my friend, thank you
Does this mean you are turning down their most generous offer of the VIP account at launch?
Lol, crazy, right!?
I was downgraded to VIP as soon as I was terminated, mate. I have left all official platforms and will most likely not be playing anything they release.
Is it just me or does that look like the old Crowfall Hungergames mode they used to have in beta, except far worse combat and movement?
It is still assets taken from a Pre-Alpha game. IMO this is no where near the state to make them money when you consider the games they will be competing with. Fortnite for example.
Is it just me or does that look like the old Crowfall Hungergames mode they used to have in beta, except far worse combat and movement?
It is still assets taken from a Pre-Alpha game. IMO this is no where near the state to make them money when you consider the games they will be competing with. Fortnite for example.
I dunno the entire mode just seems completely out of place in a MMO. This isn't a looter shooter FPS.
Pantheon doesn't compete with any of them.
Just compare that to the Pantheon video.
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Is it just me or does that look like the old Crowfall Hungergames mode they used to have in beta, except far worse combat and movement?
It is still assets taken from a Pre-Alpha game. IMO this is no where near the state to make them money when you consider the games they will be competing with. Fortnite for example.
I dunno the entire mode just seems completely out of place in a MMO. This isn't a looter shooter FPS.
Pantheon doesn't compete with any of them.
Just compare that to the Pantheon video.
Ya this is not an MMO, its a sperate game they seem to have been working on for about 5 months from what I can figure out. Who knows, maybe it will be fun. I just dont see it getting traction.
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So I understand, your entire point you are trying to make, is that Kilsin didnt intentionally do anything nefarious like break NDA to try to warn investors or players, but actually just made a simple mistake of commenting on something that was released publicly by other higher ranking people in VR, (Just like you did by your own admission), and then when he found out it wasnt supposed to be out there he immediately deleted it, (Just like you did), and was fired for that.
Does that about some up your entire point?
If thats the case, and after reading the comment he actually wrote, which I dont see how anyone without inside knowledge would know he was talking about this stupid 247 survival mode they are doing, it just looks to me like VR is a sinking ship and is looking to fire anybody they can to save money.
The original Reddit comment that got me terminated was a reply to someone buried deep in a thread that maybe 3-4 people saw, and it said:
"Dead? Haha
We've just had a PA weekend and are moving towards 24/7 server uptime. We are far from dead, and development is progressing nicely!"
As you can see, I didn't even mention or leak the mode or change in art style, just that we were moving towards keeping the server up 24/7, which we were and the community mostly already knew via Joppa and VIPs leaking it days/weeks earlier.
But as soon as I was told to remove it, I did immediately.
No prior warnings or issues in my almost 10 year exployment (other than a couple of years prior being dragged into a HR chat with Tony (Minus) when he was being childish and stepping on my CM toes and posting things he shouldn't) but still, instantly terminated on grounds that I had done insurmountable damage to the company and marketing of the new mode. (as stated by Michael Butler)
So yes I agree, from what it looks like publicly at least. Kilsin didnt warn investors and was fired for pretty much saying nothing that anyone without inside knowledge would even know was a leak, if it in fact can even be considered a leak. I dont follow this very closely and I know I read from pantheon devs that they planned to have prealpha testing 24/7. (I didnt know about this 247 mode) but saying testing was going 24/7 doesnt really say anything that everyone didnt already know.
And I am almost positive this is not the only reason they fired him, I am sure it has to do with this game being in complete freefall right now.
From a different direction, if this game was doing AMAZING and had massive funding and progress, would he even have been fired for this? Highly doubtful.
So in a sense they termed someone who has been with the company for many years because of some made up excuse. Now he cant even really claim this game as more than a blemish on his record.
In reality Pantheon won multiple years of awards for being the most hyped MMO. Being his job was community manager, I am sure he could claim some part of that credit.
They could have done the right thing, which was to say "hey, we are struggling, we need to lay off people, and we dont think your role is critical at this point., thank you for sticking with us this long".
You have more than enough material to make a case to another employer if the reason for your "dismissal" ever comes up.
One bit of advice that you didn't ask for.
Probably better for you to step into the background as this clown show continues forward.
As a hiring manager myself back in the day I never paid much attention to candidates with controversial backgrounds.
Once everyone has new material to rage at in the next announcement don't opine, just go out and find yourself a new game dev position while everyone else is thrashing over the Embers ..err Ashes... err, darn I can't seem to help myself.
Good luck.....
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I appreciate the advice and that would be how I normally behave but in this instance I am replying for two reasons.
1) I run my own business, it's successful and I have no plans to work for anyone else again.
2) VR has a strict no talk policy internally about employee terminations, so most of the team members who thought positively of me, will be told I broke some major company policy and was immedaitely terminated, leaving it up to their imaginination as to what I did but will not argue or ask questions. I want those team members to know what actually happened and how poorly VR treats an almost 10 year veteran so they can have more insight into the moral of the company and how they treat contractors (which is what we all are, just disposable contractors).
Appreciate your kind words and advice though, my friend, thank you
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I was downgraded to VIP as soon as I was terminated, mate. I have left all official platforms and will most likely not be playing anything they release.
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Pantheon doesn't compete with any of them.
Just compare that to the Pantheon video.
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