Pantheon Addresses Leaked Letter As It Assures Fans That Development On 247 Extraction Mode Not The

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Pantheon Addresses Leaked Letter As It Assures Fans That Development On 247 Extraction Mode Not The 'Cancelation of Pantheon' | MMORPG.com

Pantheon's Visionary Realms has addressed the reports about a leaked letter detailing the company's intention to effectively monetize its new 247 play mode in a post on the game's official Discord.

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Slapshot1188

All is well.

achesoma

I hope everyone took their meclizine. The spin about to be turned up.

Kyleran

I had to look up what "Extraction mode" might be about, apparently is a sub genre called Extraction Shooters where I learned a few things.

Often they are PVPVE centric and unlike in a BR or MOBA the goal is to get in, achieve your objective and get out with your loot within the time limit of the match, and without your opponents taking it from you.

Here they are claiming to have separate PVE and PVP modes so a bit of a different take, especially the PVE only idea.

Still, definitely not at all what people paid $750 or more to test so understandable that several are breaking ranks to reveal information from behind the NDA curtain.

They likely are feeling betrayed and perhaps no longer fearing losing their testing privileges for a game mode they aren't even interested in.

Can't say I'm personally interested in playing an extraction MMORPG or whatever it might be called, certainly won't be any sort of shooter that most fans of that genre would recognize.

Kyleran

A month or so back long time employee Kilsin "left" the company suddenly, and there was some rumor of him coming to the unofficial Pantheon Discord to tell folks he was fired for an unintentional slip of the tongue.

Today he confirmed what his offense was.

xKilsinx wrote:
"This is what I was terminated for. Innocently mentioning the disaster known as 24/7. 

Glad you can all see it now. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/PantheonMMO/s/v6z8TDlCOQ

Hell hath no fury like a Joppa who has had someone steal his thunder

achesoma

Kyleran said:

A month or so back long time employee Kilsin "left" the company suddenly, and there was some rumor of him coming to the unofficial Pantheon Discord to tell folks he was fired for an unintentional slip of the tongue.

Today he confirmed what his offense was.

xKilsinx wrote:
"This is what I was terminated for. Innocently mentioning the disaster known as 24/7. 

Glad you can all see it now. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/PantheonMMO/s/v6z8TDlCOQ

Hell hath no fury like a Joppa who has had someone steal his thunder

Ok, wow. I knew he was gone but had no clue he was fired! It was odd that he abruptly left but this explains it. This certainly puts things in a different light. So someone there DID have the balls to tell VR 247 was a terrible idea and they fired him for it. He was a good dude. What a shame.

Neoyoshi

Isn't this supposed to be a open world medieval game with some Lord of the rings aesthetics?

What in the world is going on here?

Calavry

Sorry to hear that Kilsin was terminated for this. He is a great guy, my old Vanguard Guild Leader in fact.

I had already give up hope that Pantheon would ever see the light of day and I guess this is the final nail in the coffin.

achesoma

Ok, went digging through the old unofficial pantheon discord from back in June. Apparently, it wasn't Joppa's doing at all that got Kilsin fired. It was Ben Dean, Minus and Roenick formed their little clique and got Kilsin fired. Sounds like mostly Ben's doing. Kilsin actually says good things about Joppa.

ValdemarJ

achesoma said:

Kyleran said:

A month or so back long time employee Kilsin "left" the company suddenly, and there was some rumor of him coming to the unofficial Pantheon Discord to tell folks he was fired for an unintentional slip of the tongue.

Today he confirmed what his offense was.

xKilsinx wrote:
"This is what I was terminated for. Innocently mentioning the disaster known as 24/7. 

Glad you can all see it now. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/PantheonMMO/s/v6z8TDlCOQ

Hell hath no fury like a Joppa who has had someone steal his thunder

Ok, wow. I knew he was gone but had no clue he was fired! It was odd that he abruptly left but this explains it. This certainly puts things in a different light. So someone there DID have the balls to tell Joppa 247 was a terrible idea and they fired him for it. He was a good dude. What a shame.

This is the best news of the entire event. It restores hope to hear there are people who still have some grounding in reality. Sorry he got canned, but honestly it was probably just a matter of when, not if. Company leadership, that would fire someone like this, can't handle the truth. "Choo choo! Here comes the Truth Train Express!"

Kumapon

This Kilsin thing, started back in June when he came out, and started warning all the big investors, backers. Then the shit show started !!!

Kumapon

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I could go on, but you get the point...lol

Nanfoodle

(((sigh))) 

achesoma

So to summarize: Ben Dean is a douchebag and 247 is his ridiculous scheme.

Jimmac

I have not posted on this site since 2015. I dug up my old account to say that I think Pantheon has entered the territory of being an actual, real scam. Right now, it's still possible to buy into early access for Pantheon under the false impression that the money will go exclusively toward the development of the MMO. In reality, some or all of the money might go toward the development of 247. If not for the leak about 247, no one would even know about this bait and switch. Any time and effort spent by anyone on the Pantheon team working on 247 is time and effort not spent working on the Pantheon MMO itself. While there may be some carryover (for time and effort) from 247 to Pantheon, I believe it's virtually impossible for there to be 100% carryover. That means someone could pledge for Pantheon yet inadvertently and unknowingly actually be supporting 247 to some degree instead. I wouldn't be surprised if this has already happened over the past few months to folks who have pledged during that time. That, to me, is a scam.

Also, based on the info above, what they did to Kilsin makes those involved in that decision look bad, too, although more info may be needed to really know for sure.

Kyleran

Jimmac said:

I have not posted on this site since 2015. I dug up my old account to say that I think Pantheon has entered the territory of being an actual, real scam. Right now, it's still possible to buy into early access for Pantheon under the false impression that the money will go exclusively toward the development of the MMO. In reality, some or all of the money might go toward the development of 247. If not for the leak about 247, no one would even know about this bait and switch. Any time and effort spent by anyone on the Pantheon team working on 247 is time and effort not spent working on the Pantheon MMO itself. While there may be some carryover (for time and effort) from 247 to Pantheon, I believe it's virtually impossible for there to be 100% carryover. That means someone could pledge for Pantheon yet inadvertently and unknowingly actually be supporting 247 to some degree instead. I wouldn't be surprised if this has already happened over the past few months to folks who have pledged during that time. That, to me, is a scam.

Also, based on the info above, what they did to Kilsin makes those involved in that decision look bad, too, although more info may be needed to really know for sure.

Welcome back.  Definitely there must be some folks who chipped in big recently that got a rude surprise that testing of the MMO was being put on hold until next year.

Mensur

achesoma said:

Ok, went digging through the old unofficial pantheon discord from back in June. Apparently, it wasn't Joppa's doing at all that got Kilsin fired. It was Ben Dean, Minus and Roenick formed their little clique and got Kilsin fired. Sounds like mostly Ben's doing. Kilsin actually says good things about Joppa.

Minus is the worst of the worst. He works on videos but cant event set his microphone up. Has no idea when it comes to mmorpg and is a type of person that will steal from you even after you hand him stuff for free.

Mensur

Jimmac said:

I have not posted on this site since 2015. I dug up my old account to say that I think Pantheon has entered the territory of being an actual, real scam. Right now, it's still possible to buy into early access for Pantheon under the false impression that the money will go exclusively toward the development of the MMO. In reality, some or all of the money might go toward the development of 247. If not for the leak about 247, no one would even know about this bait and switch. Any time and effort spent by anyone on the Pantheon team working on 247 is time and effort not spent working on the Pantheon MMO itself. While there may be some carryover (for time and effort) from 247 to Pantheon, I believe it's virtually impossible for there to be 100% carryover. That means someone could pledge for Pantheon yet inadvertently and unknowingly actually be supporting 247 to some degree instead. I wouldn't be surprised if this has already happened over the past few months to folks who have pledged during that time. That, to me, is a scam.



Also, based on the info above, what they did to Kilsin makes those involved in that decision look bad, too, although more info may be needed to really know for sure.

For a guy who has been gone since 2015. Your take is great! stick around brother :-)

Mensur

Kumapon said:

I could go on, but you get the point...lol

Some serious digging you did there! respect and thank you.

Neoyoshi

There was a time when i didn't really know what a 'bait-and-switch' strategy was; or at least it wasn't something i was aware that would exist in the video game/mmorpg space- but this post reminded me of the whole Everquest Next/Landmark situation, which i remember very much of and helped fund and played a lot of.




Today i'm sadly more aware of the type of confidence games and ponzi schemes some companies and groups tend to play with people's money now, even in this industry. I fear this is exactly what happens when we allow these people to go unregulated and unsupervised. And without consequence.

wertiop

achesoma said:

Kyleran said:

A month or so back long time employee Kilsin "left" the company suddenly, and there was some rumor of him coming to the unofficial Pantheon Discord to tell folks he was fired for an unintentional slip of the tongue.

Today he confirmed what his offense was.

xKilsinx wrote:
"This is what I was terminated for. Innocently mentioning the disaster known as 24/7. 

Glad you can all see it now. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/PantheonMMO/s/v6z8TDlCOQ

Hell hath no fury like a Joppa who has had someone steal his thunder

Ok, wow. I knew he was gone but had no clue he was fired! It was odd that he abruptly left but this explains it. This certainly puts things in a different light. So someone there DID have the balls to tell VR 247 was a terrible idea and they fired him for it. He was a good dude. What a shame.

That's not what happened. Someone on Discord mentioned the new 247, so Kilsin thought it was alright to mention it in Reddit. He didn't say anything negative about the new pre-alpha schedule, but. He was instructed by Ben Dean to not talk about it.

AFTER he was fired, he mentioned on Discord that a new mode was coming and implied that some people might not like it. That was about it. He is NOW posting as though he was warning us then, and that that is the reason he was canned, which according to people in the know is actually because he hadn't been doing a good job at work. This is why he was given a different (made up) position for his last year with the company. The mention of 247 was just the excuse management could use to get rid of him. That is probably why somebody like Joppa could mention 247 on Discord and not be fired, although he could have gotten in a little trouble (I doubt it though as he is the creative director. Kilsin was a community manager/moderator). The truth is way more boring and far more realistic than what is circulating around right now.