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Throne and Liberty: Everything You Need to Know From the Launching Showcase | MMORPG.com

Throne and Liberty is set to launch in December, but ahead of that launch the Korean team at NCSoft put together a Launching Showcase showing off whats to come.

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Nanfoodle

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

maskedweasel

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

Yeah and TBH, the way they talk about the marketplace... sounds a lot like blockchain to me. 

Abimor

wow this game has some really cool features that I would love to try. The pay model is insane when you say something like
Most of the pass products are cosmetic and growth materials. The growth materials will not create "insurmountable disparities" between those that buy and those that don't.
what the hell does insurmountable mean? does it mean that if I play 2 hours a day Ill get the rewards? or does it mean that if I hire some 3rd world poor person to play 8 hours a day when I can't I will be able to get the rewards? these kind of things are just to stupid.
now there is such a thing as a growth pass, battle pass, and a free pass. Loot boxes are out guys now were in the pass system from hell. What about the you want to play during the month of october pass or today is a day ending in y pass.
Im to old for these kinda shenanigans.

Asm0deus

Monetization in this is gonna suck real bad....and don't expect me to be stupid enough to believe it wont create "disparity"...lmao!

Valdheim

Oh this will for sure turn out to be a very fair monetization model and santa is real!

My disgust for those 'korean-lost-arkyan-gambling-machines' made by addiction-psychologists is boundless. Those 'games' are a disgrace to the genre.

JeroKane

Abimor said:

wow this game has some really cool features that I would love to try. The pay model is insane when you say something like

Most of the pass products are cosmetic and growth materials. The growth materials will not create "insurmountable disparities" between those that buy and those that don't.

what the hell does insurmountable mean? does it mean that if I play 2 hours a day Ill get the rewards? or does it mean that if I hire some 3rd world poor person to play 8 hours a day when I can't I will be able to get the rewards? these kind of things are just to stupid.

now there is such a thing as a growth pass, battle pass, and a free pass. Loot boxes are out guys now were in the pass system from hell. What about the you want to play during the month of october pass or today is a day ending in y pass.

Im to old for these kinda shenanigans.

It's just marketing speech for saying that their game is extremely PAY 2 WIN!.

Ridrith

Junk, when you have to spend more than half of the presentation talking about your currencies and how you want people to spend them, go and screw yourself. Your game is garbage.

BrotherMaynard

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

I wouldn't necessarily see it that way. In earlier tests they were exactly that, aiming for a  full lootbox mobileque half-automated game with all the crap that it entails. And the message got across to the players very fast. Now that they are changing their approach, I am not surprised at all that they will hold long interviews to explain the changes. Simply put, out of the gate they got a huge stain on their game in the first tests and now they need to work double shifts to try to remove it.

I suspect it is a combination of Amazon's experience with NW and LA and the data they have gathered about players in both games (plus the T&L tests), combined with the simple fact that NCSoft does not want T&L go the way of Elyon.

When I look at the changes as they are described here, I don't see a reason to complain about them. Removing lootboxes, removing automated game systems, using cosmetics for monetisation without any power benefits, etc. Compared to their previous strategy it is a step in the right direction. Of course, the devil is in the detail and we will have to see how they will actually implement them, but on the face of it the changes don't look bad (except the marketplace monetisation, that looks very bad at first glance - but I suspect it will be used as login rewards, just the way it works in LA now).

But I agree that there is an easier way to address the monetisation changes: just ask NCSoft and Amazon if the game will launch in the Netherlands and Belgium...

Neoyoshi

Ridrith said:

Junk, when you have to spend more than half of the presentation talking about your currencies and how you want people to spend them, go and screw yourself. Your game is garbage.

^this; no game showcase should ever spend this much time focusing on it's business model.

rtbbvr

The entire thread commenting about Korean version of a game. This is not at all the North American release lol

XAleX360

Yeah, monetization here will be different for sure.

Scot

rtbbvr said:

The entire thread commenting about Korean version of a game. This is not at all the North American release lol

I agree but players here will play this before it ever reaches the West, which is crazy I know but that means what the game is like now is relevant.

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Greatsword

Yea, they can stuff their Lost Ark 2 where the sun never shines.

Slapshot1188

"Getting to max level takes a tenth of the time it did before"

That this is considered a good thing in an MMORPG kind of indicates what is wrong with our games today.

texhnolyze

templarga said:

If that monetization model goes into effect, I will not even bother trying the game. I have never read something so complicated. If I wanted to learn economics, I would have studied it in college.

It's actually quite simple. It only boils down to:
1. Battle pass
2. Costumes and skins
3. Player marketplace and trade
4. Pets and mounts skins

IceAge

maskedweasel said:

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

Yeah and TBH, the way they talk about the marketplace... sounds a lot like blockchain to me. 

Its the same as with Lost Ark. There is no "blockchain" to talk about nor sound like one. There is a currency required to buy and sell ( as far as I understand ) on the market place.

But its NcSoft, so .. if we don't see P2W at the beginning, we will after a while!

All in all, this showcase I really liked it. It improved a lot of changes ( in a good way ) vs what I have saw like .. 6+ months ago.

I'll be trying it of course.

It has a Lineage 2 - Aion feeling to it and these 2 are one of my favorite MMOs.

maskedweasel

IceAge said:

maskedweasel said:

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

Yeah and TBH, the way they talk about the marketplace... sounds a lot like blockchain to me. 

Its the same as with Lost Ark. There is no "blockchain" to talk about nor sound like one. There is a currency required to buy and sell ( as far as I understand ) on the market place.

But its NcSoft, so .. if we don't see P2W at the beginning, we will after a while!

All in all, this showcase I really liked it. It improved a lot of changes ( in a good way ) vs what I have saw like .. 6+ months ago.

I'll be trying it of course.

It has a Lineage 2 - Aion feeling to it and these 2 are one of my favorite MMOs.

The thing is, they consider this "player marketplace" as part of their monetization strategy, which means that in some aspect it's a cash currency of some type. And supposedly if I'm hearing what he said correctly... which might be incorrect cause it's all based on the translation in the video....they hand out some of this currency while playing. The only thing missing to make it full circle blockchain is a third party marketplace and getting money back. 

I guess I'll reserve judgement until I see it in action... but if they're counting a player run marketplace as a form of monetization... seems very similar to what everyone hates about blockchain games to me. 

Tiller

Greatsword said:

Yea, they can stuff their Lost Ark 2 where the sun never shines.

lmao Lost Arks Western Monetization caused even Sywo to quit the game after he dumped 4500 hours and felt like he was getting no where. Unless you spend a few thousand $$, you'll get left behind even if you make it a job to grind. None of these games respect your time for sure.

BrotherMaynard

maskedweasel said:

IceAge said:

maskedweasel said:

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

Yeah and TBH, the way they talk about the marketplace... sounds a lot like blockchain to me. 

Its the same as with Lost Ark. There is no "blockchain" to talk about nor sound like one. There is a currency required to buy and sell ( as far as I understand ) on the market place.

But its NcSoft, so .. if we don't see P2W at the beginning, we will after a while!

All in all, this showcase I really liked it. It improved a lot of changes ( in a good way ) vs what I have saw like .. 6+ months ago.

I'll be trying it of course.

It has a Lineage 2 - Aion feeling to it and these 2 are one of my favorite MMOs.

The thing is, they consider this "player marketplace" as part of their monetization strategy, which means that in some aspect it's a cash currency of some type. And supposedly if I'm hearing what he said correctly... which might be incorrect cause it's all based on the translation in the video....they hand out some of this currency while playing. The only thing missing to make it full circle blockchain is a third party marketplace and getting money back. 

I guess I'll reserve judgement until I see it in action... but if they're counting a player run marketplace as a form of monetization... seems very similar to what everyone hates about blockchain games to me. 

It looks like the same system Smilegate and Amazon use in Lost Ark. It's a currency that you need to make auction house transactions and that you can rarely find in game or buy it in their store. It's a pretty awful system in LA and if implemented here, it will be an awful system in T&L. It has nothing to do with blockchain, there is no ledger or anything sophisticated behind it, it's just a dumb way to arbitrarily restrict AH activity in order to drive sales.

Let's say that you find a Sword of a Thousand Truths on AH, with +80 stamina and mana burn on hit. It is being sold for 65,340,285 gold (regular game currency). You click the buy button and the game will take the gold, plus 10 'AH tokens' (whatever they will be called).

And then what the devs do is they add a small amount of them in the game (e.g. for some special achievements) and as login rewards (let's say day 10 = 10 tokens, day 30 = 30 tokens). If you want more, you can buy them in the store.

They use this system to motivate players to log in and to push more sales, obviously. The effect is that AH trading is usually pretty low, depending on how much of the currency they will allow from in-game sources.

IceAge

maskedweasel said:

IceAge said:

maskedweasel said:

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

Yeah and TBH, the way they talk about the marketplace... sounds a lot like blockchain to me. 

Its the same as with Lost Ark. There is no "blockchain" to talk about nor sound like one. There is a currency required to buy and sell ( as far as I understand ) on the market place.



But its NcSoft, so .. if we don't see P2W at the beginning, we will after a while!



All in all, this showcase I really liked it. It improved a lot of changes ( in a good way ) vs what I have saw like .. 6+ months ago.



I'll be trying it of course.



It has a Lineage 2 - Aion feeling to it and these 2 are one of my favorite MMOs.

The thing is, they consider this "player marketplace" as part of their monetization strategy, which means that in some aspect it's a cash currency of some type. And supposedly if I'm hearing what he said correctly... which might be incorrect cause it's all based on the translation in the video....they hand out some of this currency while playing. The only thing missing to make it full circle blockchain is a third party marketplace and getting money back. 

I guess I'll reserve judgement until I see it in action... but if they're counting a player run marketplace as a form of monetization... seems very similar to what everyone hates about blockchain games to me. 

Still nothing to do with "blockchain".

Its a currency required to buy and sell things on AH. That's it. And they are giving the said currency by playing or while playing the game. I assume from quests and such, much like in Lost Ark.

..unless you understand "blockchain" differently than me and .. how is officially described.

But yes, its a bad system nontheless.

maskedweasel

IceAge said:

maskedweasel said:

IceAge said:

maskedweasel said:

Nanfoodle said:

What payment modles require that much explanation. You have already failed.

Yeah and TBH, the way they talk about the marketplace... sounds a lot like blockchain to me. 

Its the same as with Lost Ark. There is no "blockchain" to talk about nor sound like one. There is a currency required to buy and sell ( as far as I understand ) on the market place.



But its NcSoft, so .. if we don't see P2W at the beginning, we will after a while!



All in all, this showcase I really liked it. It improved a lot of changes ( in a good way ) vs what I have saw like .. 6+ months ago.



I'll be trying it of course.



It has a Lineage 2 - Aion feeling to it and these 2 are one of my favorite MMOs.

The thing is, they consider this "player marketplace" as part of their monetization strategy, which means that in some aspect it's a cash currency of some type. And supposedly if I'm hearing what he said correctly... which might be incorrect cause it's all based on the translation in the video....they hand out some of this currency while playing. The only thing missing to make it full circle blockchain is a third party marketplace and getting money back. 

I guess I'll reserve judgement until I see it in action... but if they're counting a player run marketplace as a form of monetization... seems very similar to what everyone hates about blockchain games to me. 

Still nothing to do with "blockchain".

Its a currency required to buy and sell things on AH. That's it. And they are giving the said currency by playing or while playing the game. I assume from quests and such, much like in Lost Ark.

..unless you understand "blockchain" differently than me and .. how is officially described.

But yes, its a bad system nontheless.

I'm not saying it "is" blockchain, I'm saying that's a similar system to what other games with blockchain do. I doubt they are using it, and honestly this system sounds worse. 

For example, this is exactly like what nino kuni cross worlds did with their marketplace, but it is blockchain. It's a stupid system where you need to essentially buy the currency to list items to sell... or you can earn it but that's really rare. 

These systems are never good. 

ultimateduck

Looks good enough to try for me. When is release?

lotrlore

ultimateduck said:

Looks good enough to try for me. When is release?

December 7th in Korea. 2024 for the Amazon published version here in the West.

Speedake

Considering how long this game was in development and how often they changed the direction this is the perfect approach to money milk mmorpg players to equalize their loss of development costs.
I'll never touch a gacha gamba eastern mmorpg ever again specially if it's made for mobile in the first place. Reading this article is making me laugh. They even explain how they mask everything so the game doesnt look like mobile scam and turn it into PC scam game.
Well played