If Mythic can learn from their past mistakes (like ToA ), this has the potential to become the best fantasy MMORPG, IMHO
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Originally posted by Avitu No PVP system is going to beat DaoC's RVR, IMHO. (well, except maybe for Warhammer online )
City of Villians, Dark and Light, and Age of Conan will all have RVR basicly and all these games offer graphics that will blow DAOC out of the water.. Plus City of Villians has the best Combat so far of any MMORPG ever made (so far)... I agree that DAOC had the best PVP system but these are a few games that will be giving its outdated ass a run for its money.. Notice nothing was mentioned about World of Warcrap.
They'll have PvP, which is NOT the same as RvR. I'm not going to expand upon that, there's a thread somewhere about this on the boards.
Personnally, I don't think their graphics will blow DaoC away, since City of Villains is ugly and dark and light is mediocre. Conan seems pretty but what is known about the game system makes it seem rather...well...limited. Compare the graphics of CoV and DaL to those from the Catacombs engine...I still think daoc is the best.
As for their PvP system being better than RvR. I guess it's possible...but it's a very small chance it will be better.
Remember that people said World of Whorecraft would blow away DaoC's PvP too? Didn't happen. And it won't happen anytime soon.
------------------------------------------ Basil Fawlty: [to telephone operator] I've been trying to get through to the speaking clock... Well, it's engaged... Well, it's been engaged for ten minutes. How is this possible? My wife isn't talking to it.
I love the harder-core-than-thou pvp crowd. No one group of people has given me so much enjoyment, and comedy material throughout my MMO playing days.
For all their grandstanding about being able to loot the corpses of people you kill, 9 times out of 10, they're the first to run to the forums and start crying when you kill them. Which is one of the downsides to WoW, no tells from the opposing faction.
Frankly, I like WoWs pvp, if for no other reason than it introduces people who would normally not pvp to that aspect of gameplay, and with the BG's available, hopefully they come away with a positive experience, and move on to trying other pvp games. And, in so doing, creates a market for said games, which is a Good Thing.
Sadly, the aforementioned harder-core-than-thou crew haven't got the foresight to not eat their own young, and do whatever they can to run off any new blood that might poke it's head in. Then they wonder why there are so few options for pvp. Even better than this, they bitch and moan about WoW pvp being carebear, and pointless, but they're prattling on about City of Villians? Maybe I missed something, but talk about a pointless game. No loot, unless you count the power enhancing items as loot. No crafting. Nothing to do but run mission instances. And now you get to duel player villians. Wooowee, sign me right up! On second thought, don't. Dark and Light, and Darkfall Online, often hailed as the future Holy Grail of pvp MMOs, are both still dubiously vaporware as far as I'm concerned, and much like Shadowbane, I imagine if they do make it out the door, the horrendous amount of bugs, and glitches will drive all but the most dedicated right back out the door. Age of Conan, I've not looked into, other than seeing a few screenshots, but I suspect it won't make much if any ripples in the pond, if and when it is released.
And for whatever it's worth, if you're going to berate someone's English, particularly when they're not a native speaker, you might want to make sure you can speak English yourself.
Originally posted by Coldmeat I love the harder-core-than-thou pvp crowd. No one group of people has given me so much enjoyment, and comedy material throughout my MMO playing days. For all their grandstanding about being able to loot the corpses of people you kill, 9 times out of 10, they're the first to run to the forums and start crying when you kill them. Which is one of the downsides to WoW, no tells from the opposing faction. Frankly, I like WoWs pvp, if for no other reason than it introduces people who would normally not pvp to that aspect of gameplay, and with the BG's available, hopefully they come away with a positive experience, and move on to trying other pvp games. And, in so doing, creates a market for said games, which is a Good Thing. Sadly, the aforementioned harder-core-than-thou crew haven't got the foresight to not eat their own young, and do whatever they can to run off any new blood that might poke it's head in. Then they wonder why there are so few options for pvp. Even better than this, they bitch and moan about WoW pvp being carebear, and pointless, but they're prattling on about City of Villians? Maybe I missed something, but talk about a pointless game. No loot, unless you count the power enhancing items as loot. No crafting. Nothing to do but run mission instances. And now you get to duel player villians. Wooowee, sign me right up! On second thought, don't. Dark and Light, and Darkfall Online, often hailed as the future Holy Grail of pvp MMOs, are both still dubiously vaporware as far as I'm concerned, and much like Shadowbane, I imagine if they do make it out the door, the horrendous amount of bugs, and glitches will drive all but the most dedicated right back out the door. Age of Conan, I've not looked into, other than seeing a few screenshots, but I suspect it won't make much if any ripples in the pond, if and when it is released. And for whatever it's worth, if you're going to berate someone's English, particularly when they're not a native speaker, you might want to make sure you can speak English yourself.
Great post! Personally I like how half of them talk about the glory days of UO. Another game they can chalk up on the list that they ruined themselves....not carebears. The same co called hardcore pvpers are the same ones causing a company headaches. Causing a company to lose money and in turn causing them to make a more limited pvp game.
Originally posted by Bama1267 Great post! Personally I like how half of them talk about the glory days of UO. Another game they can chalk up on the list that they ruined themselves....not carebears. The same co called hardcore pvpers are the same ones causing a company headaches. Causing a company to lose money and in turn causing them to make a more limited pvp game.
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Since a couple people complained that you get nothing out of killing people in WoW, I'd like to point out the fact that you do get honor points for killing people, unless, of course, you're grey ganking, or killing people right as they get off a boat/griffon/whatever. But beyond the HKs, I also get a personal sense of satisfaction from going up against an opponent, and winning. Or losing for that matter, if they put up a good fight.
Which is what the whole pvp thing has always been about for me. Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose. Which has nothing to do with looting someone's corpse dry, or otherwise trying to ruin their fun in the game.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. WoW's pvp is boring for me because I do not have to fear that I can lose anything at all when getting killed.
Dunno if anyone of you ever experienced the situation where you sit in front of your pc, shaking, barely able to control your character because you are in a serious fight of life and death. - I've never ever experienced this in half a year of playing WoW - never. I'm experiencing this every week, sometimes every day or even multiple time every day when playing Tibia again. That's what I was missing in WoW and that's why I think that WoW is boring.
Originally posted by Lovan Sorry, but I have to disagree. WoW's pvp is boring for me because I do not have to fear that I can lose anything at all when getting killed.Dunno if anyone of you ever experienced the situation where you sit in front of your pc, shaking, barely able to control your character because you are in a serious fight of life and death. - I've never ever experienced this in half a year of playing WoW - never. I'm experiencing this every week, sometimes every day or even multiple time every day when playing Tibia again. That's what I was missing in WoW and that's why I think that WoW is boring.
In a fair fight, perhaps. But when are fights ever fair? Most people would rather not have their character stripped of everything they own anytime some high level person gets bored.
Any game where you have to start from scratch every time someone, or someones decide to kick your teeth in isn't going to hold the attention of many people for very long. And if your equipment is easily replaced, then it has no value, and if you lose it, it's not important, then you really haven't lost anything, and so there might as well not be corpse looting in the first place.
Originally posted by Avitu No PVP system is going to beat DaoC's RVR, IMHO. (well, except maybe for Warhammer online )
City of Villians, Dark and Light, and Age of Conan will all have RVR basicly and all these games offer graphics that will blow DAOC out of the water.. Plus City of Villians has the best Combat so far of any MMORPG ever made (so far)... I agree that DAOC had the best PVP system but these are a few games that will be giving its outdated ass a run for its money.. Notice nothing was mentioned about World of Warcrap.
They'll have PvP, which is NOT the same as RvR. I'm not going to expand upon that, there's a thread somewhere about this on the boards.
Please dont cause your wrong, you need to reread up on the game... Heros being able to design and build bases and Villians being able to raid them and vice versa.... um is basicly RvR.....
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Since a couple people complained that you get nothing out of killing people in WoW, I'd like to point out the fact that you do get honor points for killing people, unless, of course, you're grey ganking, or killing people right as they get off a boat/griffon/whatever. But beyond the HKs, I also get a personal sense of satisfaction from going up against an opponent, and winning. Or losing for that matter, if they put up a good fight.
Which is what the whole pvp thing has always been about for me. Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose. Which has nothing to do with looting someone's corpse dry, or otherwise trying to ruin their fun in the game.
Wow you get Honor Points? OMG what was I thinking I was totally wrong about this game, who needs Land wars, or Castle Sieges, or Base Raids, when you have Honor Kills for killing someone....Who needs dictating who controls what land and what Empire gest what benifits and controling the actual game world with ever PVP decision you make... You needs all this when I can have Honor Kills that will allow me to buy PVP stuff cheaper yet dont affect a thing in the actual game world...What are most of us thinking, this Honor Kill stuff is what its about....
WOW has the most pointless pvp of any MMORPG I know.... AO,L2, EVE, SB, DAOC, ect all have some point to there PVP what does World of Wow have, HK's that dont affect a thing but giving you a discount on PVP gear.. thats all. In all of those games you can pvp agianst people big deal, as you say it in your own words "Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose" big freaking deal what PVP MMORPG or PVP game doesnt have that. Most of us are not new to MMORPG games and this is not enough for us...Maybe 6 years ago but not now.
Im not one of those who believes in looting corpses, I dont believe people should drop stuff they worked there butt off for.. Expecially in a game like WOW were your going to be ganked time and time agian. But I do belive that PVP should be more then just a FPS game or a game of CTF, PVP should actually have a point to it where you can actually affect the game world. After all the Alliance and Horde are suppose to be at war you know. As it is right now, as many said before while its a very well made game WOW is a MMORPG with training wheels. WOW PVP right now is unamaginative, boring and pointless for alot of people that have played other PVP MMORPG's. Great try by Blizzard it had me for a while there, but running instances day after day for a chance to drop something that you have a chance on whinning if you win the roll and PVPing in a game of Capture the hill/CTF/and Deathmath(which is basicly what the BG's are) gets old. Quickly
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
I find World of Warcraft to be a great pvp i have the funnest time hunting with my friends it gives interest to everyone who enjoy the thrills of an online rpg. To those who are new to the game should know that as you become stronger the fun builds oh and here are some tips i have found A Combat rogue, mage, hunter and warrior are the best pvp classes because they cannot be stopped if u want to be a pvper i would recommend these classes.
Wows pvp is like running into a room full of 9 year olds and saying "I have Candy". you get the l337z0rs and pwnage and as well as corpse camping and you cannot forget the 5 on 1's when you are simply trying to level or to even get somewhere,for those of you who actually enjoy the pvp of WOW you must be on heavy doses of leaded paint chips and glue
Since a couple people complained that you get nothing out of killing people in WoW, I'd like to point out the fact that you do get honor points for killing people, unless, of course, you're grey ganking, or killing people right as they get off a boat/griffon/whatever. But beyond the HKs, I also get a personal sense of satisfaction from going up against an opponent, and winning. Or losing for that matter, if they put up a good fight.
Which is what the whole pvp thing has always been about for me. Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose. Which has nothing to do with looting someone's corpse dry, or otherwise trying to ruin their fun in the game.
Wow you get Honor Points? OMG what was I thinking I was totally wrong about this game, who needs Land wars, or Castle Sieges, or Base Raids, when you have Honor Kills for killing someone....Who needs dictating who controls what land and what Empire gest what benifits and controling the actual game world with ever PVP decision you make... You needs all this when I can have Honor Kills that will allow me to buy PVP stuff cheaper yet dont affect a thing in the actual game world...What are most of us thinking, this Honor Kill stuff is what its about....
WOW has the most pointless pvp of any MMORPG I know.... AO,L2, EVE, SB, DAOC, ect all have some point to there PVP what does World of Wow have, HK's that dont affect a thing but giving you a discount on PVP gear.. thats all. In all of those games you can pvp agianst people big deal, as you say it in your own words "Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose" big freaking deal what PVP MMORPG or PVP game doesnt have that. Most of us are not new to MMORPG games and this is not enough for us...Maybe 6 years ago but not now.
Im not one of those who believes in looting corpses, I dont believe people should drop stuff they worked there butt off for.. Expecially in a game like WOW were your going to be ganked time and time agian. But I do belive that PVP should be more then just a FPS game or a game of CTF, PVP should actually have a point to it where you can actually affect the game world. After all the Alliance and Horde are suppose to be at war you know. As it is right now, as many said before while its a very well made game WOW is a MMORPG with training wheels. WOW PVP right now is unamaginative, boring and pointless for alot of people that have played other PVP MMORPG's. Great try by Blizzard it had me for a while there, but running instances day after day for a chance to drop something that you have a chance on whinning if you win the roll and PVPing in a game of Capture the hill/CTF/and Deathmath(which is basicly what the BG's are) gets old. Quickly
And DAoC wasn't just a game of CTF on a larger scale? The 'rewards' for capturing for capturing keeps or relics wasn't much of anything to get worked up over, moreso after the release of ToA(which ruined the game totally for me) and Catacombs. Been a while since I played AO, but as I recall, holding territory there merely gave access to the high end dungeon. I don't recall any other purpose to it, though that might have changed with Notum Wars, and the Alien expansion. Don't know enough about Eve, or L2, but in SB it meant having merchants that sold more gear, and a tree to bind too.
So I suppose in a sense you are correct, they technically have rewards for holding territory, but those rewards aren't that terribly different from WoWs Honor rewards in their overall effect.
Now if Blizzard were to introduce more of the 'War' into Warcraft, I'd be just hunky dory with that. However, what do you propose they make as a reward for controlling zones? Bargging rights? More cash, items or XP in that zone? How, particularly with the realm imbalance that exists on many of the servers, do you impliment any kind of tangable rewards for controlling a given zone, or zones, without one side completely steamrolling the other? Much like in SB, were once a nation got on top, they generally stayed there, and crushed everyone else, till the rest of the server basically gave up.
I'm not saying pvp in WoW is perfect, or the greatest ever, every game has it's areas they could improve. However, as Blizzard is still working on the pvp system, I'll continue to play, give them my opinion on what they could do to make pvp more interesting. Whether they choose to listen or not is up to them. At least I'll be able to say I tried to affect a change, rather than coming to some forum, and saying 'WoW pvp sux'.
Originally posted by Coldmeat At least I'll be able to say I tried to affect a change, rather than coming to some forum, and saying 'WoW pvp sux'.
You can do what ever you want to do and continue to pay your 15 bucks while your at it.. But dont try to knock us here on this site that are giving our feedback on a thread we take interest in.
To each his own but its plain to me and others that WOW pvp is serverly lacking, and with the constant nerf this and buff that things are looking as bad as ever(yes I still pop in on the Official forums from time to time).
As I said before Blizzard did a pretty good job in making this game. But they missed there mark in thinking that everyone would be content with Ganking for gear or playing CTF in a meaningless instance. As for what they can do to spice it up, there is another thread for that, many of us Beta testers made threads about the lack of PVP content on the beta forums. And you see how far that got us.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
It's all well and fine to give feedback, or discuss things. Got no problem with that. However, more often than not, someone pops up, and posts about Game X sucks, or whatever, and doesn't bother to provide a reason.
Originally posted by Coldmeat It's all well and fine to give feedback, or discuss things. Got no problem with that. However, more often than not, someone pops up, and posts about Game X sucks, or whatever, and doesn't bother to provide a reason.
well i told my reasons why i think WoW's pvp is lacking but i got flamed down for my bad english ( because i was Insulting someone by the poll, so i said sorry and did an Edit. )
Originally posted by DigableD please god! make a legible poll.
if your pointing at the poll in the start then pleeaase read what i wrote down! there is a more fair Poll longer into the topic ( at page 4 i think ) . i had to make a new poll longer into the topic because i dont think its possible to Edit the poll in the start if you already made it.( i think )
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Mythic has bought the rights to Warhammer Online. Release is estimated for 2007:
www.warhammeronline.com is already online, but there's not much info on it yet tho
If Mythic can learn from their past mistakes (like ToA
), this has the potential to become the best fantasy MMORPG, IMHO
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Basil Fawlty: [to telephone operator] I've been trying to get through to the speaking clock... Well, it's engaged... Well, it's been engaged for ten minutes. How is this possible? My wife isn't talking to it.
They'll have PvP, which is NOT the same as RvR. I'm not going to expand upon that, there's a thread somewhere about this on the boards.
Personnally, I don't think their graphics will blow DaoC away, since City of Villains is ugly and dark and light is mediocre. Conan seems pretty but what is known about the game system makes it seem rather...well...limited. Compare the graphics of CoV and DaL to those from the Catacombs engine...I still think daoc is the best.
As for their PvP system being better than RvR. I guess it's possible...but it's a very small chance it will be better.
Remember that people said World of Whorecraft would blow away DaoC's PvP too? Didn't happen. And it won't happen anytime soon.
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Basil Fawlty: [to telephone operator] I've been trying to get through to the speaking clock... Well, it's engaged... Well, it's been engaged for ten minutes. How is this possible? My wife isn't talking to it.
I love the harder-core-than-thou pvp crowd. No one group of people has given me so much enjoyment, and comedy material throughout my MMO playing days.
For all their grandstanding about being able to loot the corpses of people you kill, 9 times out of 10, they're the first to run to the forums and start crying when you kill them. Which is one of the downsides to WoW, no tells from the opposing faction.
Frankly, I like WoWs pvp, if for no other reason than it introduces people who would normally not pvp to that aspect of gameplay, and with the BG's available, hopefully they come away with a positive experience, and move on to trying other pvp games. And, in so doing, creates a market for said games, which is a Good Thing.
Sadly, the aforementioned harder-core-than-thou crew haven't got the foresight to not eat their own young, and do whatever they can to run off any new blood that might poke it's head in. Then they wonder why there are so few options for pvp. Even better than this, they bitch and moan about WoW pvp being carebear, and pointless, but they're prattling on about City of Villians? Maybe I missed something, but talk about a pointless game. No loot, unless you count the power enhancing items as loot. No crafting. Nothing to do but run mission instances. And now you get to duel player villians. Wooowee, sign me right up! On second thought, don't. Dark and Light, and Darkfall Online, often hailed as the future Holy Grail of pvp MMOs, are both still dubiously vaporware as far as I'm concerned, and much like Shadowbane, I imagine if they do make it out the door, the horrendous amount of bugs, and glitches will drive all but the most dedicated right back out the door. Age of Conan, I've not looked into, other than seeing a few screenshots, but I suspect it won't make much if any ripples in the pond, if and when it is released.
And for whatever it's worth, if you're going to berate someone's English, particularly when they're not a native speaker, you might want to make sure you can speak English yourself.
All around good post Coldmeat!
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Since a couple people complained that you get nothing out of killing people in WoW, I'd like to point out the fact that you do get honor points for killing people, unless, of course, you're grey ganking, or killing people right as they get off a boat/griffon/whatever. But beyond the HKs, I also get a personal sense of satisfaction from going up against an opponent, and winning. Or losing for that matter, if they put up a good fight.
Which is what the whole pvp thing has always been about for me. Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose. Which has nothing to do with looting someone's corpse dry, or otherwise trying to ruin their fun in the game.
Sorry, but I have to disagree.
WoW's pvp is boring for me because I do not have to fear that I can lose anything at all when getting killed.
Dunno if anyone of you ever experienced the situation where you sit in front of your pc, shaking, barely able to control your character because you are in a serious fight of life and death. - I've never ever experienced this in half a year of playing WoW - never. I'm experiencing this every week, sometimes every day or even multiple time every day when playing Tibia again. That's what I was missing in WoW and that's why I think that WoW is boring.
In a fair fight, perhaps. But when are fights ever fair? Most people would rather not have their character stripped of everything they own anytime some high level person gets bored.
Any game where you have to start from scratch every time someone, or someones decide to kick your teeth in isn't going to hold the attention of many people for very long. And if your equipment is easily replaced, then it has no value, and if you lose it, it's not important, then you really haven't lost anything, and so there might as well not be corpse looting in the first place.
And that's the greatest idea you came up with?
They'll have PvP, which is NOT the same as RvR. I'm not going to expand upon that, there's a thread somewhere about this on the boards.
Please dont cause your wrong, you need to reread up on the game... Heros being able to design and build bases and Villians being able to raid them and vice versa.... um is basicly RvR.....
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Since a couple people complained that you get nothing out of killing people in WoW, I'd like to point out the fact that you do get honor points for killing people, unless, of course, you're grey ganking, or killing people right as they get off a boat/griffon/whatever. But beyond the HKs, I also get a personal sense of satisfaction from going up against an opponent, and winning. Or losing for that matter, if they put up a good fight.
Which is what the whole pvp thing has always been about for me. Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose. Which has nothing to do with looting someone's corpse dry, or otherwise trying to ruin their fun in the game.
Wow you get Honor Points? OMG what was I thinking I was totally wrong about this game, who needs Land wars, or Castle Sieges, or Base Raids, when you have Honor Kills for killing someone....Who needs dictating who controls what land and what Empire gest what benifits and controling the actual game world with ever PVP decision you make... You needs all this when I can have Honor Kills that will allow me to buy PVP stuff cheaper yet dont affect a thing in the actual game world...What are most of us thinking, this Honor Kill stuff is what its about....
WOW has the most pointless pvp of any MMORPG I know.... AO,L2, EVE, SB, DAOC, ect all have some point to there PVP what does World of Wow have, HK's that dont affect a thing but giving you a discount on PVP gear.. thats all. In all of those games you can pvp agianst people big deal, as you say it in your own words "Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose" big freaking deal what PVP MMORPG or PVP game doesnt have that. Most of us are not new to MMORPG games and this is not enough for us...Maybe 6 years ago but not now.
Im not one of those who believes in looting corpses, I dont believe people should drop stuff they worked there butt off for.. Expecially in a game like WOW were your going to be ganked time and time agian. But I do belive that PVP should be more then just a FPS game or a game of CTF, PVP should actually have a point to it where you can actually affect the game world. After all the Alliance and Horde are suppose to be at war you know. As it is right now, as many said before while its a very well made game WOW is a MMORPG with training wheels. WOW PVP right now is unamaginative, boring and pointless for alot of people that have played other PVP MMORPG's. Great try by Blizzard it had me for a while there, but running instances day after day for a chance to drop something that you have a chance on whinning if you win the roll and PVPing in a game of Capture the hill/CTF/and Deathmath(which is basicly what the BG's are) gets old. Quickly
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Since a couple people complained that you get nothing out of killing people in WoW, I'd like to point out the fact that you do get honor points for killing people, unless, of course, you're grey ganking, or killing people right as they get off a boat/griffon/whatever. But beyond the HKs, I also get a personal sense of satisfaction from going up against an opponent, and winning. Or losing for that matter, if they put up a good fight.
Which is what the whole pvp thing has always been about for me. Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose. Which has nothing to do with looting someone's corpse dry, or otherwise trying to ruin their fun in the game.
Wow you get Honor Points? OMG what was I thinking I was totally wrong about this game, who needs Land wars, or Castle Sieges, or Base Raids, when you have Honor Kills for killing someone....Who needs dictating who controls what land and what Empire gest what benifits and controling the actual game world with ever PVP decision you make... You needs all this when I can have Honor Kills that will allow me to buy PVP stuff cheaper yet dont affect a thing in the actual game world...What are most of us thinking, this Honor Kill stuff is what its about....
WOW has the most pointless pvp of any MMORPG I know.... AO,L2, EVE, SB, DAOC, ect all have some point to there PVP what does World of Wow have, HK's that dont affect a thing but giving you a discount on PVP gear.. thats all. In all of those games you can pvp agianst people big deal, as you say it in your own words "Pitting myself against another person, or people, win or lose" big freaking deal what PVP MMORPG or PVP game doesnt have that. Most of us are not new to MMORPG games and this is not enough for us...Maybe 6 years ago but not now.
Im not one of those who believes in looting corpses, I dont believe people should drop stuff they worked there butt off for.. Expecially in a game like WOW were your going to be ganked time and time agian. But I do belive that PVP should be more then just a FPS game or a game of CTF, PVP should actually have a point to it where you can actually affect the game world. After all the Alliance and Horde are suppose to be at war you know. As it is right now, as many said before while its a very well made game WOW is a MMORPG with training wheels. WOW PVP right now is unamaginative, boring and pointless for alot of people that have played other PVP MMORPG's. Great try by Blizzard it had me for a while there, but running instances day after day for a chance to drop something that you have a chance on whinning if you win the roll and PVPing in a game of Capture the hill/CTF/and Deathmath(which is basicly what the BG's are) gets old. Quickly
i agree whit you
great post btw..
And DAoC wasn't just a game of CTF on a larger scale? The 'rewards' for capturing for capturing keeps or relics wasn't much of anything to get worked up over, moreso after the release of ToA(which ruined the game totally for me) and Catacombs. Been a while since I played AO, but as I recall, holding territory there merely gave access to the high end dungeon. I don't recall any other purpose to it, though that might have changed with Notum Wars, and the Alien expansion. Don't know enough about Eve, or L2, but in SB it meant having merchants that sold more gear, and a tree to bind too.
So I suppose in a sense you are correct, they technically have rewards for holding territory, but those rewards aren't that terribly different from WoWs Honor rewards in their overall effect.
Now if Blizzard were to introduce more of the 'War' into Warcraft, I'd be just hunky dory with that. However, what do you propose they make as a reward for controlling zones? Bargging rights? More cash, items or XP in that zone? How, particularly with the realm imbalance that exists on many of the servers, do you impliment any kind of tangable rewards for controlling a given zone, or zones, without one side completely steamrolling the other? Much like in SB, were once a nation got on top, they generally stayed there, and crushed everyone else, till the rest of the server basically gave up.
I'm not saying pvp in WoW is perfect, or the greatest ever, every game has it's areas they could improve. However, as Blizzard is still working on the pvp system, I'll continue to play, give them my opinion on what they could do to make pvp more interesting. Whether they choose to listen or not is up to them. At least I'll be able to say I tried to affect a change, rather than coming to some forum, and saying 'WoW pvp sux'.
You can do what ever you want to do and continue to pay your 15 bucks while your at it.. But dont try to knock us here on this site that are giving our feedback on a thread we take interest in.
To each his own but its plain to me and others that WOW pvp is serverly lacking, and with the constant nerf this and buff that things are looking as bad as ever(yes I still pop in on the Official forums from time to time).
As I said before Blizzard did a pretty good job in making this game. But they missed there mark in thinking that everyone would be content with Ganking for gear or playing CTF in a meaningless instance. As for what they can do to spice it up, there is another thread for that, many of us Beta testers made threads about the lack of PVP content on the beta forums. And you see how far that got us.
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It's all well and fine to give feedback, or discuss things. Got no problem with that. However, more often than not, someone pops up, and posts about Game X sucks, or whatever, and doesn't bother to provide a reason.
well i told my reasons why i think WoW's pvp is lacking but i got flamed down for my bad english ( because i was Insulting someone by the poll, so i said sorry and did an Edit. )
please god! make a legible poll.