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  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

    OH and Here's some more information..
    The Original Poster said that the internship opportunities were wack because they were only offered to minorities... And that isn't exactly true....

    He failed to tell the rest of us that the Company that he was searching was Called INROADS.... which is a middle man Company that has connections with Companies to Find internships for students...
    Inroads basically just takes your information and Finds trying to line you up with a good internship in the selected area.

    http://www.inroads.org/index.jsp

    So all of you guys were bashing a company that probably DOES have interns of all ethnicities... You bashed them for having connections with a company that specifically finds Minority interns....

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  • DevientDevient Member Posts: 46



    Originally posted by methane47




    Originally posted by Devient

    I will restate... Affirmative Action Came about Because mainly of huge corporations with hundreds of employees that didn't have any minorities at all within thier ranks.... The part which is illegal is that companies started hiring minorities just to fill a quota Which took whites out of there jobs for many times less qualified people...
    BUT!! If You are telling me that none of the minorities that applied were as qualified as the white people that work there... well then I will appologize publicly for Minorities because they are stupid... and unqualified..

    Gah - I mis spoke - I apologize, the original affirmative action may have been necessary - HOWEVER - if the wonderful US Federal Government and State Governments followed the EEO Regs there would have been no need for it.  A public outcry ensued and they had to do something - thus Affirmative Action was basically born.  The initial use of Affirmative Action I can agree with - but what it is being used for now - I disagree with.

    In THIS Case If you go back to the original post It began because of a company offering internships opportunities to minorities But Along with the "Minorities condition" there were other conditions such as a minimum GPA and what ever.... So It was STIll Merit Based...
    And in regards to companies that hire Aff Action style.... Number they usually aren't hiring less qualified people unless they are trying to fill a quota... THAT Is Totally wrong..... But if a company hired a whole buncha people... and then wanted to do something good and Created a new division or subdivisions... and hired talented minorities... Well then they are doing a great community
    service....

    Unfortunately - around October, November and December each year major corporations do hiring sprees - that I have noticed.  I always check the employers out before applying to see why - and they are generally Aff Act employers. again unfortunately at that time they are trying to = their quota for the year.  And No one will call these companies on this due to the fact that they donate LARGE sums of money to political parties each year.  And if a corporation - one that actually cares about people HA good luck finding that one - did do something like you stated as above - got people trained for new jobs; did a service for the community - I would be behind it as well - but to hide behind Aff Action like employers do is ridiculous.

    I dont believe at all that an underqualified person should be given a position over a more qualified person.... That is totally wrong.... And If two people have the same qualifications I dont think that one should automatically get it over the other person.... But that goes both ways... Because right now.... If there is a Mexican man and a Caucasin man of equal merit... i think it is more probable that the Caucasin man will get the job... And that May or may not be because of racism....



    Your last paragraph is correct - I agree with it for the most part - and I have NO PROBLEMS with ever losing a position to a more qualified person - or even a person who has the exact same qualifications as I do - they may have just interviewed better - and that can happen, I just hate the back door policy these companies use just to say they are an Aff Action Employer.

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  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

    OH GOD !!! Somebody partially agreed...

    lol

    The sky is falling.

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  • DevientDevient Member Posts: 46



    Originally posted by methane47

    OH and Here's some more information..
    The Original Poster said that the internship opportunities were wack because they were only offered to minorities... And that isn't exactly true....
    He failed to tell the rest of us that the Company that he was searching was Called INROADS.... which is a middle man Company that has connections with Companies to Find internships for students...
    Inroads basically just takes your information and Finds trying to line you up with a good internship in the selected area.
    http://www.inroads.org/index.jsp
    So all of you guys were bashing a company that probably DOES have interns of all ethnicities... You bashed them for having connections with a company that specifically finds Minority interns....



    Actually - I was just bashing Affirmative Action - and all companies that hide behind it LOL image

    And Phooey on him for not giving us all the info - that was not fair and balanced - image

    And thanks for the rest of the info Methane - image I still have a poor outlook on Affirmative Action though image

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  • xxSymphonyxxxxSymphonyxx Member Posts: 194

    Now days people believe racism is okay...ERRRRR!!!!WRONG!!! Racism will only get worse if people give in to it. Comedians like Carlos Mencia offends people....who hate latinos. See a connection? Sadly when people hear about asians they believe what they hear...Asians aren't bad drivers....we're among the best...and we don't all speak an oriental language we speak english too...and not all asians like oriental food, i hate the stuff. I love mexican food. So before you judge people* pointing at the racists in the back row* GET TO KNOW THEM!!! Thank you.

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  • churenechurene Member Posts: 87

     

    Ooohhh, I feel sad about it! It's really bad! I must agree that "Don't judge the book by its cover", KNOW THEM FIRST!!! GoodLuck!!!

  • DevientDevient Member Posts: 46



    Originally posted by xxSymphonyxx

    Now days people believe racism is okay...ERRRRR!!!!WRONG!!! Racism will only get worse if people give in to it. Comedians like Carlos Mencia offends people....who hate latinos. See a connection? Sadly when people hear about asians they believe what they hear...Asians aren't bad drivers....we're among the best...and we don't all speak an oriental language we speak english too...and not all asians like oriental food, i hate the stuff. I love mexican food. So before you judge people* pointing at the racists in the back row* GET TO KNOW THEM!!! Thank you.
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    Sorry - I cannot resist. 

    Your above has a slight oxymoron - and I will explain why.  In your above statement you state that

    "Asians aren't bad drivers - we're among the best. "

    This is the same as if I were to say "White people aren't bad hockey players - we're among the best."  I know that is a bad analogy but you get the point - basically - in order to put your race up higher then others you basically put down the other races around you - unfortunately - that is the core of racism.

    And I am not saying you are a racist - I am merely stating an obvious fact - Racism is defined as The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination.

    Now there is nothing wrong with saying you are a good driver - but to say that your race is a good race of drivers, or for me to say my race is a good race of hockey players is completely ridiculous image

    I couldn't resist...  sorry image

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  • CopelandCopeland Member Posts: 1,955

    To get back on topic slightly.

    Affirmitive Action is most definately unconstitutional. Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race,color,sex,religion or national origin. Affirmitive action means that even though a person of one race is more qualified for a job companies are encouraged through tax breaks to accept a less qualified applicant who is either female, a minority or for the biggest tax break a female minority with a few kids coming off welfare. You're far more likely to see larger companies that pay alot of taxes practicing affirmitive action. Sadly if affirmitive action were to go before todays supreme court it would probably be upheld because the supreme court justices are more political than judicial these days.

    Now that being said the reason we allow affirmitive action is because the majority of americans understand and accept that minorities and women were being unfairly treated in the workplace by either not receiving the job or not getting promotions when warranted. Anyone with a clue can accept this as a fact and see that it was/is the wrong thing to do.

    Now on a side note.. a funny story..

    I recently moved to Kansas City for a job. I tried to go up to a bank and open a checking account. The teller asks me for proof of residence so i hand her my drivers license. She says " this is for missouri do you have something that says you live at this address in KC?" I said "nope why would i need that?" she replies " The patriot act requires you to prove you live at the address you open your account with." i look at her funny and politely say " Thats fucking retarded you can tell i live in America whether i have a bank account in Missouri or Kansas whats the damn difference?" so we go on for a few discussing the stupidity of the KGB err Patriot Act. I then tell her what i do for a living.. I do data processing.. FOR BANKS! Thats right the Patriot Act says i gotta prove where i live to have a bank account but says nothing about proving where i live to have access to the banks money and all its information.

    The patriot act protects nobody. It's only there to keep tabs on americans. I'm proof of that!

  • fansedefansede Member UncommonPosts: 960

    This post isn't replying to the others. More in general to diversity. Just stirring the pot a little bit.

    Does our mmorpg games have racial diversity?

    Do fantasy /sci-fi mmorpgs games need to appeal to minorities? Do the players care or are they offended in this politically correct world we live in?

    Kind of funny, most of our mmorpgs have fantasy races. Some races are darker skinned, a few games have other colors in them. I do find it interesting most game boxes and advertising buttons depict caucasian, scantily clad females...

     

    Racism in America?

    -1. America was the first country to abolish slavery.  2. America is the most senstive diverse culture in the world. Our political leaders have diverse cabinets and influential groups  3. We provide millions in money and other support to Africa and underdeveloped countries.  Don't beat yourself up American over racism. We are the leaders in diversity.

     

  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694

    Actually you should do research before you quote socalled "FACTS"

    1) America was NOT the first country to abolish slavery. here's a little time line..
    1724 -> The first organized opposition to slavery came from the Quakers, a Christian sect also known as the Society of Friends
    1802 - 1803 -> slave revolt in Haiti
    1803 ->Denmark abolished the slave trade
    1804 -> Haiti becomes the first black republic in the world Also becoming the first country to abolish slavery
    in the Western Hemisphere
    1807 -> England becomes the first country in Europe to abolish slavery
    1817 -> France abolishes slavery
    1818 -> Holland
    1820 -> Spain
    1824 -> Sweden
    1833 -> Great Britain outlawed slavery in all of their territories
    1838 -> French abolish slavery in all their territories
    1863 -> Dutch abolish slavery in all their territories...
    1865 -> Slavery Ends in the United States of america

    2. America is the most sensitive diverse culture in the world... Well you're american of course you think you're sensitive.... (Which USA is; but most sensitive in the world?)

    2b. You have diverse Cabinets and political leaders... Well since Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson dont count since they aren't actually in government... How many minority senators are there? my numbers may be off due to the huge number.... one black guy and one cuban guy.... hmmmm

    3. True you do provide millions in money to other countries......

    Now dont get me wrong... USA has done alot for minorities... But dont put yourselves on too high a pedastol... you might fall...

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  • HifructoseHifructose Member Posts: 308



    Originally posted by methane47

    OK guys.. It is now obvious that you guys are targetting selective arguments... I dont actually Know WHY you guys are saying that I'm saying that Racism should continue.... Or That I'm asking for hand outs because of what my forefathers went through... I guess you guys thought that I was African American And any african American Person that speaks about getting anything IT MUST be that this person wants REPArations OMG REparations... Well no I'm not african American.. My dad is part black part irish... my mom is part Spanish and part Carib Indian... i'm not Even American at all... So NOW YOu understand i'm NOT talking about racism AT ALL>..
    All i'm saying is that if a company wants to MAKE A COUPLE NEW OPPORTUNITIES for minorities (Bearing the financial responsibility themselves) AND NOT TAKING AWAY ANY OPPORTUNITIES FROM WHITE People... then I HAve no idea why you are complaining... ANd While you all are saying that you have lost jobs to less qualified people... IT also happens the other way around.... ALL the time... I myself Have lost jobs to less qualified people.... Whites AND minorities... But I dont Care about the Color.... Just in this case it's white folk who hold the Majority which has a natural effect of ousting the others.....
    ANd no affirmative action isn't illegal... Quota's are...
    The REASON why affirmative action came about was because there were huge organizations and companies That had NO!!! as in NOT ONE SINGLE minority... So the government rightly acknowledged this as discrimination...
    READ THIS--> IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS I STATED THAT I WAS NOT REFFERING TO RACISM BUT in MANy of the responses to my posts You guys LAbeled me As A Black AFrican American... Who is Arguing to get his acre and a Donkey....
    NOw i think you who said those things and LABELed ME should think HARD as to WHY you did that....
    OF course It doesn't matter to me.... But it should matter to you.



    I'm sorry if it appears some of us (probably me) are selectively choosing certain comments; a lot of it is just due to time constraints.  I wasn't trying to say that you are asking for reparations.  I understand you're point of view I think.  I'm just saying that if there is no disadvantage simply to there being less of a type of person (which seems to be your main argument), then the reparations is not a good reason to do it either.  I"m just trying to cover all bases or something like that.  I'm saying "white people" holding the majority does not have a natural effect of ousting the others.

    The reason I think you are helping to perpetuate racism is because you are classifying and oversimplifying people.  Why should we take extra steps to have a greater balance of people with different skin colors in the workplace?  Why should they even be classified together?  I'm saying minorities don't exist, because it's dumb to see one person and think just because of a few traits they belong in one group to be excluded from another when we are all the same species.  There is no reason. 

    The reason I referred to you as a "black" person is because of your second or third post where you said "and no this does not mean oh because i'm black the white man won't give me a job"  It was kind of ambiguous as to if you actually meant you.  I would, of course, rather not refer to you as black, and ignore all your complexities, just like I would prefer not to be labeled white with all the differences I have from every other "white" person ignored.  One for instance would be the fact that at some point in history my ancestors were "black", which basically makes me part black right? which basically voids a lot of your points.  Anyway I'm going to leave this one alone now.  But by the way earlier you said blacks getting less jobs was not a result of discrimination from whites and later on you said it was probably due largely to racism so phooey on you (hehehe), but anyway peace.

  • DevientDevient Member Posts: 46



    Originally posted by methane47

    Actually you should do research before you quote socalled "FACTS"

    1) America was NOT the first country to abolish slavery. here's a little time line..
    1724 -> The first organized opposition to slavery came from the Quakers, a Christian sect also known as the Society of Friends
    1802 - 1803 -> slave revolt in Haiti
    1803 ->Denmark abolished the slave trade
    1804 -> Haiti becomes the first black republic in the world Also becoming the first country to abolish slavery
    in the Western Hemisphere
    1807 -> England becomes the first country in Europe to abolish slavery
    1817 -> France abolishes slavery
    1818 -> Holland
    1820 -> Spain
    1824 -> Sweden
    1833 -> Great Britain outlawed slavery in all of their territories
    1838 -> French abolish slavery in all their territories
    1863 -> Dutch abolish slavery in all their territories...
    1865 -> Slavery Ends in the United States of america

    I love Timelines - I think they are great.  The funny thing is - Honest Abe didn't even know he was freeing the slaves, he basically woke up one morning, and said "I did what?"

    2. America is the most sensitive diverse culture in the world... Well you're american of course you think you're sensitive.... (Which USA is; but most sensitive in the world?)

    As Arnold would say "Sensitivity is for wimps and Girlymen!" sorry had to say it - we generally take care of others then we take care of our own country - it is unfortunate but it is the way it is - the way the International Politics Run around the world - it is almost expected for the US to come to the aid of any foreign country who requests it.  And even those who don't out right request it. 

    2b. You have diverse Cabinets and political leaders... Well since Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson dont count since they aren't actually in government... How many minority senators are there? my numbers may be off due to the huge number.... one black guy and one cuban guy.... hmmmm

    Al and Jesse may not be in the government - but they are pretty funny arent they? 

    3. True you do provide millions in money to other countries......

    Now dont get me wrong... USA has done alot for minorities... But dont put yourselves on too high a pedastol... you might fall...

    Pedastel - NEVER - What high and mighty american would ever put themselves on a pedastel - LOL :P sorry.



    Methane - I hope you don't take offense to me quoting you - but you seem to be the only person in this thread who tries to get to the point and fast :)

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    Horizons Goledstadt 35 Dragon *Retired*
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  • fansedefansede Member UncommonPosts: 960

    1) A religous sect hardly qualifies for a nation abolishing slavery. I did not say America whose people was the first country that thought slavery was a bad idea.

    The NorthWest Ordinance of 1787, an act by the US Congress, did ban slavery in these Ohio territories. Now, before you flame me, we know the rest of the country didn't follow suit until the 13th amendment.

    Any other countries pass a ban on slavery at this point in time? Maybe not the first country to abolish slavery entirely, but gots to give us some credit.

    Do you see a female in the Saudi leadership? China have a diverse leadership from Hispanic, African, European descent in the ranks? Russia send over an African descended ambassador lately?  While we only have an African American Secretary of State, a Hispanic Attorney General, Asian American Secretary of Labor, numerous African American Congressmen.. We aint doin badly..

    I aint saying we are perfect, but we do have a lot to be proud of.

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