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4 years of crap
fulmanfu
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Does anyone else think its sad that, 4 years after its release a mmorpg better than DaoC has not been released yet.? im not saying its an awesome game, but its dam good.
i know some decent ones have come out, but not a better, well rounded game with solid pvp and pve environment. class choices. and staying power, thats the main thing(i.e. WoW, CoH).
4 years, you would think something would have left it in the dust by now.
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what mmorpgs have you tried?
I tend to agree, ever since daoc the market hasn't much to offer for the first generation MMO players. I can't say the market has stagnated (WoW overwhelming in sales) but what about something new for me?
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Most of the releases have been... less willing to try new game mechanics and more focused on simplifying ideas that already existed, in the quest to maximize subscribers.
A few stand out for their innovations, like Horizon's crafting system and the depth of the game built around playing a Dragon; Shadowbane does open PvP better than most.
DAoC has only recently come into it's own IMO. It's had 4 years to mature and has done so very very well. I'm going to agree with you here. DAoC is one of the best out there presently. They are a model for what other MMOs should strive for (except ToA expansion) after having a few years to grow.
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SWG was better, WoW is better, EQ2 is better.... DAoC got old after 2 months.
i have never played daoc but thats how i used to feel about eq. as im sure you well know games like daoc and eq took years to make..... to top those games i would think it would take as long if not longer to complete the right way. so no i dont think its "sad" that a mmorpg hasent come out yet that stands out from the rest imo....
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
depends what you're looking for really. I recommend checking out Vanguard as I think it will be quite special.
I'd say disappointing for a number of reasons:
1. Innovations have detracted from what made 1st gen MMOGs popular
2. No advance in gameplay or game mechanics from grind
3. Poor business plan and/or execution
Instancing, locked encounters and immediate travel have reduced the impact of immersion, and subsequently community in a lot of 2nd Gen MMOGs. In addition, whilst some of the games are fairly polished, hardly any offer anything different or seek to deviate from the level grind. Most damningly, there have been far, far too many under-developed products missing key features or bugged implementation of features due to milking the cash cow dry.
There is no doubt that the stable subscription model of MMOGs, allowing companies to project their revenue with some degree of accuracy a year or two in the future is simply too good an opportunity to miss. This attitude has lead to a number of companies releasing products way too early, or doing 180 degree u-turns on promised features (Horizons).
Eve aside, there is still gap in the market the size of Texas for a PvP and/or RvR type game emulating what either UO (PvP) or DaOC (RvR) achieved. Forget EQ or WoW implementation of PvP - that's just tacked on to a predominantly PvE type game.
For me No.3 is really killing this genre. Take a look at the side panel and count the number of games which haven't suffered from No.3 - either released or in development. D&D Online and LoTR ought to be SWG massive but they seem to be very low key. There was initially - and still is - a lot of hype and faith in D&L to take the genre forward. The decision to release the game in Nov 05 and asked people (what the developers call the "faithful") to contribute a nominal sum towards its development until its official release in 2006, displays more nuances than a John Kerry Presidential election campaign. The spin by the developers also flip flops so much, I initially thought that the Democractic PR machine was behind this move :P
I'm waiting for Vanguard, as it ticks many of my mental checkboxes (I can play PvE or PvP - but only choose PvP if the mechanic is built into the game from the get go). That said, I'm not waiting for a blockbuster release - it doesn't matter if its a niche game or a massive game provided that the game delivers on its promises.
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P.s. If I didn't have so much on, I would be seriously interested in taking a look at SoR.
P.p.s. Although I subbed twice and no longer play, I have nothing but admiration for Eve. Such a beautiful, hypnotic, deep game. I just couldn't feel any intimacy whilst playing it.
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Dissagree,
SWG was very good. Not all liked it and it definitely had issues. But I enjoyed it for as long as I did DAOC. DAOC was good, don't get me wrong. But I don't think it was as good as EQ1 or EQ2 or SWG. "Good" is personal preference.
I also think EVE was far superior to DAOC.. not my personal cup of tea, but as far as it goes I think it's a MUCH more solid MMO than DAOC and it was far better at release too.
And currently I think Ryzom is a better game than DAOC.
That's just off the top of my head:
EQ2, SWG, EVE and Ryzom are all superior, for me, to DAOC. SWG is arguably the best MMO out it just suffers from piss poor management because of the two headed hydra that is SOE and LucasArts.
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Sorry homey, DAoC is kewl, but if it was better than EQ2 I'd be playing it. It is awesome in every way, just some of the environments and models are a bit outdated. I quit EQ2 about 4 months after release to play WoW. Got bored of WoW at level 55 and went back to EQ2 and the improvements are astounding. You do need a high end system for it, but when you do you'll never be able to go back to DAoC.
And you can finally duel in EQ2 now
Owned a fighter last night with my rogue, was priceless lol
well obviously its opinion based ..partly.
ill agree swg was a good game in parts. the crafting/harvesting/entertainment/architecture is unbelievably cool and gives you things to do other than fight. now i know osme games also do, but in swg you can really go forever without fighting . thats where the problem come in anyway so might as well just dance. but i am a believer that if this game was called anyting but star wars and had randomly named mobs instead of star wars theme it would have gotten much much better ratings just for the depth.
eq2 yes i tried and without pvp it cant compare. and even if it had it s for some reason just boring from the get go to alot of people. im one of those people, then again i was 21 and done.
wow, good game to run through sort of like an epic single player game. i ran through quite a few times every time too fast. im not a fan of watching green bars but when i can get max trade skill in 2 days its not good.
eve i didnt dig one bit. i can see why some people like it but i understand more why people dont.
saga of ryzom obviously has caught on with a small small% but i tried it and tried it and its not a very great game. esp. considering eveyrone is basicly the same. give me some class variations at least.
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I really, really try not to gripe about Vanguard too much because...really who cares what I think and I don't want to be one of those people who constantly flames a game he hasn't even played.
But what exactly is Vanguard doing that's going to be significantly different from most of the games that came before it? I honestly don't get it. I visit the Vanguard boards almost every day just because it's the descendant of EQ and I played that game for years. Also I get some good EQ nostalgia from the Vanguard boards even though I don't post there.
I've read a lot about that game even though I have no intention of playing it. But I just don't understand why anyone thinks it's going to be different from all the other games out there.
It's just levels & loot all over again. Ok, maybe diplomacy will add a little different twist to it but only time will tell if that's a good idea or a boring chore.
It's just levels & loot and linear progression all over again. The same crap that so many people constantly complain about when they say they want more from a game. So I just don't get it when people say it will be different.
And Vanguard is not being built around PvP. They will probably tack on a few PvP servers but the game isn't being built for PvP so don't expect it to be very good for that.
Trials of Ascension is the only game in development that gives me any hope at all and God only knows if that game will ever see the light of day.
Sorry homey, DAoC is kewl, but if it was better than EQ2 I'd be playing it. It is awesome in every way, just some of the environments and models are a bit outdated. I quit EQ2 about 4 months after release to play WoW. Got bored of WoW at level 55 and went back to EQ2 and the improvements are astounding. You do need a high end system for it, but when you do you'll never be able to go back to DAoC.
And you can finally duel in EQ2 now
Owned a fighter last night with my rogue, was priceless lol
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Thats just your opinion and your experience. Its not mine. I played EQ2 at launch, left it about a month after WoW came out. Played WoW for about 5 months, got to 60, left it. Went back to EQ2, played that for about a month, then went back to DAoC. I been back there a few months now on the classic servers and am having a great time. And I have a high end system. So don't hand me that I couldn't go back to DAoC from EQ2 because the graphics are too cool. Thats complete crap, for some of us, graphics arent everything.
I played EQ for a couple years, left it for DAoC and never looked back. I played DAoC for years, left it after ToA and tried about everything else out there. Except EVE, so I can't comment on that. No game for me, has had the staying power or the complete balance of PvE and RvR/PvP that DAoC has. It has decent crafting, but not the best. It has decent graphics but not the best. It has good PvE, but not the best, and it has awesome PvP or RvR. The community is great. The grind isnt too hard or too easy. And you can level on both PvE and RvR. So there are two different ways to advance. Mythic's customer service has always been good to me, and they do frequent upgrades to the game and new content, which is essential if I am going to pay a monthly fee. All in all, its the best rounded game and most entertaining for me.
But thats just my experience and opinion. But at least I prove you CAN leave EQ2 for something older, because graphics arent everything in a game. In fact, I would say they are at best 4th or 5th on the list for me. That being said EQ2 is not a bad game. Just couldnt keep me around, not enough for me. DAoC offered more of what I like.
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Couldnt have said it better myself. I personally stopped playing DAoC 1-2 years ago but the one feature it had over everything else was RvR/PvP. No one game has ever made me feel like its us vs them good vs evil and to boot not just 1 enemy but 2. I personally didnt like the grind in the game and left. But it is one of those games i think will be around a lot longer than current ones on the market.
I beta tested EQ2 and once u hit 21 i thought what now? More quests, better equipment but why to kill AI controlled mob quicker, yawn!!
I personally regret leaving DAoC and have friends that still play it. We all met up once and did a weeks tour of the UK and visited Dartmouth/Lynn Barfog/Cornwall had a good laugh.
Oh well roll on dark and light and vanguard one can only hope a game comes a long that recaptures the magic from games such as UO/AC/DAoC.
Evolution rather than revolution. IMO, Vanguard should be EQ but with big, shiny, dangly bollcoks. Not exactly replicating EQ, but taking the positives from the game and improving upon them.
If you want revolution, look to small, niche companies to lead the way forward.
Agreed. I won't touch Vanguard PvP with a bargepole because as a predominantly PvE game it will ape EQ or WoW. But I don't mind either PvE or PvP - depends upon implementation.
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Riotgirl
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Well I have a system capable of playing EQ2... and i did for like 4 months... then when the ambulance guys found me and revived me from my COMA OF BOREDOM!!. I reloaded DAoC and started playing that again...
Reason : Becuase the OT is 100% correct... DAoC is the current pinnacle of MMO gameplay, grafix aside (and they are more than acceptable) no other fantasy MMO is within cooeee of DAoC for overall gameplay quality and variety...
Yes its sad and I agree with the OT 100%
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Especially considering the gameplay of DAoC (PvE-wise especially) was cookie-cut from EQ.
I agree. They took years to make, which is why Trials of Ascention will break them. Trials of Ascention has been years in the making as well, and will have everything you could ever seek in an MMO (unless youre a fan of bad MMOs)
After a recent whirlwind tour of a ton of different MMMORPGs, I too came back to DAoC. One thing that you should know if you haven't played it recentgly is that's is a much better game now than it was a year ago (much less at launch). I enjoyed EQ II for a while, but mainly for the crafting. The rest of the gameplay I found to be quite bland (but pretty).
I would have to agree with many above that DAoC is currently the best game on the market, overall. But not by a huge margin. I'd say it's only slightly better than WoW or EQ II, for example. So in a way it is a bit dissapointing that the MMORPG genre seems so stagnent overall.
That is not to say that there hasn't been any innovation. For example:
Shot-Online: golf sim + MMORPG. I can see room for a lot of pseudo RPGs in the bent of this game. For example a racing sim + MMORPG would be really fun. The "pay if you feel like it" model is also quite innovative. I hope that this game does well.
Puzzle Pirates: I haven't played this, but a friend of mine is addicted to it. Basically you play tetris style puzzle games to decide combat, fight sea battles, and decide the outcome of other activities. You have a lot of the collecting and social aspects of a regular MMORPG, but the addictive gameplay of a good puzzle game.
Kingdom of Loathing: by far my favorite browser based MMORPG. It basically spoofs regular MMORPGs, and is pretty funny. It's also a "pay only if you feel like it" game.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I was going to write a post that says basically the same thing today and it ended up becomeing a rant on why devs overlook PvP.
Anyways I guess I'm out of a mmo for awhile untill Mythic puts out their next one in 07
I was going to write a post that says basically the same thing today and it ended up becomeing a rant on why devs overlook PvP.
Anyways I guess I'm out of a mmo for awhile untill Mythic puts out their next one in 07
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I'm kinda disapointed that World of Warcraft isn't boring yet, that Blizzard keeps adding more and more free content every month, cause I keep telling myself that I won't stop playing WoW until I bored! I mean I've been wanting to go back to DaoC ever since Catacombs was released! But why leave WoW if it doesn't suck? I'm not saying WoW is better than the new improved DaoC cause I HAVEN'T tried the new improved DaoC yet! I'm just waiting for the day I say to myself: "OMG! WoW sucks! time to cancel and renew my DaoC account and buy Catacombs online!"
... I wonder when that day will come, cause Blizzard keeps adding stuff to keep us playing.
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The reason I quit WoW was because MC started feeling like a job. Ony wasn't so bad because it was quick, but MC took soo long and was the same thing over and over and over. Never had an opportunity to beat anything in BWL, but from everyone I've talked to its less of a drag but more time consuming.
I would've stayed just because of BGs if I didn't have to wait in the queue for 8+ hours on most days...
I really did want to see zul'grub though, but the new BG they released for 1.7 never caught my eye, its just going to make it more difficult for low pop servers to get in.