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I've had it with these topics.. the sheer stupidity of some posts is making my mind reel. I think I'll join Darktania and go live in the bizarro world where America thought that Hitler was not a threat and went to war in Europe just because it's the 'American Way'.
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Don't know if you actually know this, but the US president is not elected by all the US citizens. He is elected by a select few called the "Electoral College". For this reason, i do not vote. My vote does not count. The members of the EC do not have to vote the way their state does. Which is an old outdated way of voting, which does not need to be used anymore. And until this is done away with, i will not vote.
What i don't understand is all these blanket statements all you jerkoffs keep saying. Doesn't matter what country your from, unless your living conditions are completely terrible, at least 7/10 of that countries population are completely patriotic and think their home country is the best. I don't much care for where i live, but i really can't think of any place better. As someone said, a lot of US citizens (i don't really think the term "americans" should be used to describe the citizens of the US, as there is a "South America" which also shares the name america. Granted, it's a continent, but still...) don't agree with what the gov't does, how they conduct business, but there isn't a whole lot we can really do other than pick up guns and have ourselves a nice ol' revolution. I've always been told to stay away from 2 types of discussions/conversations, Religion and Politics. Why? For the reason nothing ever really gets accomplished, your beliefs and views will always differ from someone else's. And those who fight over it are just as stupid for not realizing that you won't change someone else's opinions. If you want to discuss, then discuss, don't try to change one's views. Learn from the discussion, the key is tolerance, which seems obvious that a very small percentage of the posters in this topic have. All i keep seeing is attacks on each other's gov't workings, which seem to be all that "political discussions" turn out to be. Especially on these boards.
I don't much care for any gov't really. Yes, the world needs rules to be "civilized", but with every type of gov't sounding good at the beginning, none of them actually work "as intended". Corruption sets in, times change, laws become obsolete. All gov't become impudent over time. The only thing i can really count on is that the end of the human race, or the world, will be decided by a handful of ppl. The gov't of the world.
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If you can't beat 'em, hold 'em off 'till you come up with a better plan.
Don't know if you actually know this, but the US president is not elected by all the US citizens. He is elected by a select few called the "Electoral College". For this reason, i do not vote. My vote does not count. The members of the EC do not have to vote the way their state does. Which is an old outdated way of voting, which does not need to be used anymore. And until this is done away with, i will not vote.
What i don't understand is all these blanket statements all you jerkoffs keep saying. Doesn't matter what country your from, unless your living conditions are completely terrible, at least 7/10 of that countries population are completely patriotic and think their home country is the best. I don't much care for where i live, but i really can't think of any place better. As someone said, a lot of US citizens (i don't really think the term "americans" should be used to describe the citizens of the US, as there is a "South America" which also shares the name america. Granted, it's a continent, but still...) don't agree with what the gov't does, how they conduct business, but there isn't a whole lot we can really do other than pick up guns and have ourselves a nice ol' revolution. I've always been told to stay away from 2 types of discussions/conversations, Religion and Politics. Why? For the reason nothing ever really gets accomplished, your beliefs and views will always differ from someone else's. And those who fight over it are just as stupid for not realizing that you won't change someone else's opinions. If you want to discuss, then discuss, don't try to change one's views. Learn from the discussion, the key is tolerance, which seems obvious that a very small percentage of the posters in this topic have. All i keep seeing is attacks on each other's gov't workings, which seem to be all that "political discussions" turn out to be. Especially on these boards.
I don't much care for any gov't really. Yes, the world needs rules to be "civilized", but with every type of gov't sounding good at the beginning, none of them actually work "as intended". Corruption sets in, times change, laws become obsolete. All gov't become impudent over time. The only thing i can really count on is that the end of the human race, or the world, will be decided by a handful of ppl. The gov't of the world.
great post! I fully agree. The only thing is that with free trade and a world economy the way it is today the US government corruptions are affecting other westernized and third world countries with their actions and policies. Moreso today then ever they seem to think they can reach across borders and change other countries to suit them. Hence the frustration, fear and confusion from other countries citizens. The US foreign policy is US law trumps International law and international agreements and treaties are subject to the whims of one man whom the world did not vote for at all and most definately would not if given the choice.
I suggest you check your facts. They can protests as much as they want in the middleeast and africa. Just turn on your Tv and you will see people in Isreal, Iran and Iraq protest. Just recently a group of palestinian policemen protested against their leaders because they wanted more money and weapons to fight the Hamas. I think it's sad how you just assume that 2 billion people are terrorists because of a few who are. I don't think that the american people are sadistic bastards because some soldiers tortured some people in Iraq.
To the one who posted that Putin is a insane ex kgb general who doesn't want anything more than taking control over there whole world. Yes, he is a ex kgb general, but that was the only thing you got right about him. And that europe is a disorganised mess, all people in the middleeast = terrorist. Usa is the only country that holds it all together. And then you complain about people hating you?
I don't hate the Americans. I love your way of life. I love your country. I just don't agree with a couple of things:
1. I don't think Iraq was correct.
2. War against terrorismn should be waged in a different way.
3. I don't think that you are playing world police the right way.
4. You are oversensitive about certain things.
4 things. I don't agree with you on 4 things. But if I and other who have similar opinions about this we get flamed, we are accused for altering history, hating you and so on. Why not post normal constructive posts discussing it. There are quite a few who post in this way, and I'm greatful for it. But you who claim that all outside USA are terrorists, that they hate you, that they didn't win WW2 and so, please stop posts like that before you complain about people hating you.
You still aren't using paragraphs correctly. A 35 year old (If he really is) who can't write is complaining about people not paying attention in school. Beat that.
I'm sure that your fellow americans are proud of the nice impression you give to other people.
This whole thread makes me sad.
I'm not here to flame... I'm not here to call anyone stupid. I'm just here to say that this is pointless. First of all, historical acuracy has taken a HUGE hit in this thread. For example, the addition of the Americans to WWII DID win the war for the allies. They were not, however, SOLELY responsible. The decision for them to get involved was NOT an act of compassion on the part of the Americans, but rather was because Japan, an ally of Germany, attacked, thus bringing the Americans into the war.
I think that both sides in this "arguement" are getting out of hand and... frankly dumb. Both sides are twisting what knowledge they have (which is mostly gained from one side or the other's perspective, which ALWAYS involves a certain amount of propoganda) so that what they think is the ONLY way.
Bottom line... If you wonder why people get offended by threads like this, it's because people get very angry, rude, and offensive when talking about something that they are passionate enough.
1) before you argue world politics, look at things from not only your own perspective, but from the perspective of others.
2) Do so without name-calling and child-like defense of your own beliefs
3) Be open to listening to what others have to say and, even if you don't change your mind, respect their right to having their opinion.
Hold on a second. I hate to start tooting God Bless America on this one, but I noticed that you didn't do two things on your stats you put up there...
1.) You didn't list your source. That's always an important factor in presenting a case. Don't you agree?
2.) Your stats only list contributions through the governments (from what I can tell). American's give tons of money through private contributions and through non-profit organizations. I know I give privately more than the average Luxembourg total you have up there each year, and I make middle-wage for an American ($32,000/year). Last I checked it wasn't in our Constitution that the government give X amount of money to other countries each year. That's something that we take care of on the personal level.
Now, if you are wanting to poke at American's go after the things that really get us going.
Hmmm... like say your country is more religious than ours, or more moral, or that God is on your side.
Or better yet, say we're not behind civil rights because we treat homosexuals as second class citizens. That always gets a good fight going here. Our folks love to beat up the homo's. See over here they say that if two people of the same sex get married that it's going to have an effect on other married couples. Ask them to explain themselves on that one. They get really ruffled. Or ask them where in the original texts of the Bible it says that homosexuality is a sin. It's only in their translated new versions. Shhhhh... they're not supposed to know that.
Oh or say that your country has more freedoms. American's are so washed in the belief that we have the most freedom to do what we want.
Or as far as freedoms go, say to an American that his free market economy isn't so free compared to other countries. Or mention to one of us how the influence of China's economy is about to surpass ours. That there China is a Communist country too (Where's that danged McCarthy when we need him?)!!!
And the one thing that will really get an American mad at you, ask them if they're Republican or Democrat and then tell them they act more like the other party's members. Hahahahaha... Like either one of the two parties here are different than the other. They're both bought out by special interests.
But hey, I love my country. Where else can you live that has a county split up in 100 different regions on where you can buy either just beer, or just beer & wine, or beer & wine & liquor, or none of the above if it's Sunday and people are on the roads to church. And here's a crazy one. In some places you can't buy beer after midnight in the store, but you can drink it in a bar until 2. And hey, go get yourself killed fighting for us at 18 but don't you dare wrap your fist around an ice cold Bud. You're not old enough to make that decision on your own yet.
The people here are hilarious. God love 'em.