He said " Sony Online Entertainment is a large company with many high-priced lawyers, but most big businesses would rather settle than risk the bad publicity and a mark against them with the BBB. I am confident that after taking these actions, they WILL refund my money, if only to save their reputation. I suggest if you are as equally outraged as I am by these practices, I suggest you take similar steps to obtain a refund for your ToOW purchase. Subscription billing is another matter, and one which I do not believe we have a case against. "
Sort of counting of them settling but for now they as mean in legal matters as they are in game
A mark against a big company by the BBB isn't old news. It happens all the time, and there really isn't much they can do about it. The BBB does very little to protect companies against false claims, and therefore ends up being a pretty unreliable source of information. The BBB is a non-profit private organization that only has the ability to say "Yeah, someone complained." Heck, someone will *always* complain.
How does the BBB work?
You make a claim to the BBB. The BBB contacts the company to see if they tried to settle. The company replies with reasons they did or didn't. The BBB reports it in their records.
This leaves little protection from people making claims with no backbone. A person can say *anything* to the BBB and the company can only say "Well umm... I have no idea what is happening." However, the BBB is more concerned about the company answering, whether positive or negative. If you look at BBB statistics, they show stats like "Resolved", "Delayed Resolve", etc. That doesn't really tell you much, as resolved doesn't have to mean resolved in a positive way. This still leaves no protection from a strongly worded false claim.
With all that being said, I am not sure what their policy on returns happens to be. If you purchased the game at a retailer other than Sony, they are not responsible for the refund. The retailer is responsible. If you purchased it through the Sony Store, then they will and should follow their standard refund policy.
Meh, protests and cancellations. Where have we seen this before? While I agree, these are dramatic changes, the people on the forums and doing the protests are at this stage, over-reacting. Not one of them has tried the new system, not one of them knows how bad or how good it is. The funny thing is, even if they find it good, their pride will keep them from admitting it and we'll have to put up with their stupid posts for the next few months . Of course, their protests could be justified, who knows. We REALLY need to wait for TC and Live.
I find it kind of ironic that these people are complaining that they got ripped with ToOW and that they wasted their money, but they're prepared to take time they could be using to enjoy the expansion under the current system to protest?
Originally posted by Erillion Originally posted by Fadeus I dunno El, I am not sure even Erillion can find a bright side to this...
No more Jedi alpha class ? .-) Will test it extensively on test Center starting this weekend. Lets see how this things works out in the harsh light of 10k testers. Have fun Erillion
Regardless how it comes out though Eri, you know it was wrong for them to pull the cloth out from under the player table like this yet again for no reason what-so-ever. It was a bad business call and lacks an respect for the current player base, even if it proves to be an improvement to the game.
I am gonna give it a try just so I have wonders and regrets about quitting if I do, but I have very strong feelings of quitting regardless of wether I like it or not simply because of LEC's business practices at this point. Torres seems to have no respect or understanding of his playerbase at this point.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
It is a toss up for me ATM. I have been a BE for two years. I can't imagine playing any other role. I tried most of them before taking up BE full time. The CU crippled BE's (If it wasn't for the stim market we'd have all gone broke). This time they remove it completely. To be honest, the combat might be fun but they are killing the qualities that made the game stand apart from the rest. I am sure I will use my ten respecs and see if I like anything, but I am not looking beyond that. I still have my final respec from the first CU to use! LOL! Before I get around to using these ten, the game will probably be overhauled again!
I do like the "No-agro for crafters and entertainers" though.
P.S. I just got my D&D Online beta invite so I may not see much of the new system.
Originally posted by Obraik Meh, protests and cancellations. Where have we seen this before? While I agree, these are dramatic changes, the people on the forums and doing the protests are at this stage, over-reacting. Not one of them has tried the new system, not one of them knows how bad or how good it is. The funny thing is, even if they find it good, their pride will keep them from admitting it and we'll have to put up with their stupid posts for the next few months . Of course, their protests could be justified, who knows. We REALLY need to wait for TC and Live. I find it kind of ironic that these people are complaining that they got ripped with ToOW and that they wasted their money, but they're prepared to take time they could be using to enjoy the expansion under the current system to protest?
It's not about trying it, this huge change should have never been put in. There was no outcry from the playerbase for it, and they just put the players through one dramatic change. I think everyone is actually being far less dramatic then I expected about it to be honest considering you don't even know what your paying for anymore from one month to the next.
It was simply wrong of them to do, period.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by Wakizashi *awaits fanboy onslaught as he readies 'FB' blaster of doom*
There is absolutely nothing productive about this statement and all it does is egg on arguements. How about you trying actually throwing out some intelligent discussion next time?
Oh no! The army of the righteous has joined the battle! We're caught in a crossfire!
Seriously guys dont be so harsh on SOE. They do their best to keep their playerbase happy. This change is for the greater good of the game, it will bring the game alot of new players while weeding out those blasphemous trolls and flamers in the process.
Go SOE! At least you have one faithful player behind you.
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Originally posted by pirrg Seriously guys dont be so harsh on SOE. They do their best to keep their playerbase happy. This change is for the greater good of the game, it will bring the game alot of new players while weeding out those blasphemous trolls and flamers in the process.Go SOE! At least you have one faithful player behind you.
No they don't....if SOE and LA were intent on keeping the player base happy, they would be including tubes of KY Jelly with every box set.
It's not about trying it, this huge change should have never been put in. There was no outcry from the playerbase for it, and they just put the players through one dramatic change. I think everyone is actually being far less dramatic then I expected about it to be honest considering you don't even know what your paying for anymore from one month to the next. It was simply wrong of them to do, period.
So you say. Weren't people bitching about the previous CU and how it sucked, did nothing for the game, etc, etc? According to a few people here, tons of people quit the game due to the last CU. So if we go by what people say on the forums, then yeah there was an outcry for it.
In general though, outside of the SWG community, there seems to be more enthusiasim for this CU then there ever was for the last. Old veterans are already signing back up to try it out (my online friends list today had a whole lot of people on that had once quit a few months to a year back). So in some ways it has already succeded at sparking interest in the game.
For the record, I don't exactly agree with the changes (not yet anyway), but I don't disagree either. I'm in a confusing spot inbetween
Originally posted by Obraik So you say. Weren't people bitching about the previous CU and how it sucked, did nothing for the game, etc, etc? According to a few people here, tons of people quit the game due to the last CU. So if we go by what people say on the forums, then yeah there was an outcry for it. But everyone knew about the CU even before JTL. People were allowed to give input and knew it was going to happen. But this NGE..... Players feel cheated and ignored. They feel the dirty underhanded tactics SOE and LA employed are unforgiveable. Even alot those who are on a wait and see stance will be going into this with a bad mindset thanks to what SOE and LA did this time. While they are looking at it, this is going to be eating at the back of their minds. It will not go over well even if the changes are the most perfect in the world because of what SOE and LA did. In general though, outside of the SWG community, there seems to be more enthusiasim for this CU then there ever was for the last. Old veterans are already signing back up to try it out (my online friends list today had a whole lot of people on that had once quit a few months to a year back). So in some ways it has already succeded at sparking interest in the game. My list is empty completely. Even the new ones I added to it after coming back last week are gone now. For the record, I don't exactly agree with the changes (not yet anyway), but I don't disagree either. I'm in a confusing spot inbetween
I am trying so hard to stay opened minded. But in the back of mind I keep thinking, if I support these changes, no matter how good they are, I am also supporting how SOE and LA brought them out. Just tossing them in our laps and forcing us to accept them no matter what. And I cant do that. I cant support such low immoral practices.
Originally posted by MSCav Well Fae they pulled the same stuff with the CUOn the other hand I DONT HAVE TO BUY STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT2 NOW!
Incorrect, the CU was demanded for by the playerbase for a very long time. It just wasn't the CU that they said was coming, there is a large difference. I am sorry you can't see that.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Obraik So you say. Weren't people bitching about the previous CU and how it sucked, did nothing for the game, etc, etc? According to a few people here, tons of people quit the game due to the last CU. So if we go by what people say on the forums, then yeah there was an outcry for it. In general though, outside of the SWG community, there seems to be more enthusiasim for this CU then there ever was for the last. Old veterans are already signing back up to try it out (my online friends list today had a whole lot of people on that had once quit a few months to a year back). So in some ways it has already succeded at sparking interest in the game. For the record, I don't exactly agree with the changes (not yet anyway), but I don't disagree either. I'm in a confusing spot inbetween
People will always bitch about change, there was no outcry for a dramatic change to the CU. There was an outcry for a reversion of the game and thats all.
As for old veterans signing back up, sure there will be some. There are people that stop to see a train wreck too, I don't think I would give it any more credit then that however. The game IS going to become jedi online now.
- Scaris
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Originally posted by kaibigan34 I am trying so hard to stay opened minded. But in the back of mind I keep thinking, if I support these changes, no matter how good they are, I am also supporting how SOE and LA brought them out. Just tossing them in our laps and forcing us to accept them no matter what. And I cant do that. I cant support such low immoral practices. Kai
And that actually is the greatest issue and my situation as well. Thats why I said I probably won't continue my sub even if the changes are fantastic for the game. They have crossed alot of lines at this point and by continued subscription I am giving my approval of their actions, which isn't the case.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I aint leaving. Like I said I am trying to keep an open mind.
But something keeps eating at me. Why? Why did they do it like this? Two possibilities come to mind.
1) They are so out of touch with the community that they are blind to their very existence. And if that is true then what can we expect next time? How much lower will be they be willing to go next time?
2) They knew exactly what would happen and knew how it would upset the community. If this is true then it makes me ask why risk it? there would have to be some alterior motive. Like they knew it would cause this much trouble and they wanted it too. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory. Even to me. But I have seen companies and corporations do this. Never in a MMO. But others have purposely trashed a project to get insurance or whatever. And I am sure they have insurance for just such an eventuality.
But I can say this for certain. After all the crap they stirred up, this sucker better be perfect. If this thing bombs it will be their own fault. Cant blame anyone but themselves and they loose alot across all games. SOE and Lucasarts will both take damage if this bombs. With the additude of the community and the way things are going, I will not be surprised if it does bomb.
Originally posted by Obraik So you say. Weren't people bitching about the previous CU and how it sucked, did nothing for the game, etc, etc? According to a few people here, tons of people quit the game due to the last CU. So if we go by what people say on the forums, then yeah there was an outcry for it. But everyone knew about the CU even before JTL. People were allowed to give input and knew it was going to happen. But this NGE..... Players feel cheated and ignored. They feel the dirty underhanded tactics SOE and LA employed are unforgiveable. Even alot those who are on a wait and see stance will be going into this with a bad mindset thanks to what SOE and LA did this time. While they are looking at it, this is going to be eating at the back of their minds. It will not go over well even if the changes are the most perfect in the world because of what SOE and LA did. In general though, outside of the SWG community, there seems to be more enthusiasim for this CU then there ever was for the last. Old veterans are already signing back up to try it out (my online friends list today had a whole lot of people on that had once quit a few months to a year back). So in some ways it has already succeded at sparking interest in the game. My list is empty completely. Even the new ones I added to it after coming back last week are gone now. For the record, I don't exactly agree with the changes (not yet anyway), but I don't disagree either. I'm in a confusing spot inbetween
I am trying so hard to stay opened minded. But in the back of mind I keep thinking, if I support these changes, no matter how good they are, I am also supporting how SOE and LA brought them out. Just tossing them in our laps and forcing us to accept them no matter what. And I cant do that. I cant support such low immoral practices.
Kai
I dunno, people still felt cheated and ignored when the original CU happened lol. One thing I dislike about SOE is that things go on the deadline, no matter what. Even if we were given a chance to have input, the changes would still happen pretty much the way they intended them and people become even more riled up (again, look at the original CU).
Overall, Chilastra seems to be dealing with this fairly calmly. Apart from a CH standing outside the Mensix Mining Facility, there hasn't been any protests (well, not while I've been on, and theres no mention of any on the Chilly forums) and the server activity hasn't really died off.
In the end, even if these are the best changes for the game, if they had given us warning no one would have wanted them. With something as huge as this, I don't think they'd ever be enough warning. Old habits die hard.
Dealing with it calmly can be a deceptive statment as well. What you are not seeing is no more buying selling, no more hurry up to grind last little bit, simply because of lack of information .
U also see very few grinder groups out and about simpley because folks are not logging in
Maybe some servers have some pvp going on
Folks may just not have the outrage they had for cu because they realized nothing what they did for the protesting of cu to the polls mattered a hill of beans.
So what you have now is a couple of thousand thread on the fourms of some angry posters. The rest will attempt to see what is on the test center and in the next few weeks make there decision to leave or stay plain and simple.
Basicaly, with right before xmass soe/lucus can use this oppertunity to re box it mass marketing/ advertise and bring in new players which will once again replace the players choosing to leave. THe vets and older players are frankly replaceable.........
The you can be jedi, will be a huge draw in , as long as players pay to play then whatever soe decides to do is and will be continued to include another re vamp in spring........
If I were still a subscriber, my greatest worry would be wondering if the game was going to fundamentally change at a moments notice. Why level a character if there's a chance it'll be gone in a few days or weeks? The lack of communication is the largest aspect of this change.
As for the 'we'll get the devs in TC', please lol. With the exception of the original game, I've beta tested most of the expansions and changes. Rarely did the devs respond to requests or warnings. The small snipets of code will be tweaked here and there, but the overall 'enhancements' will remain.
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Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by Erillion Bye, Kai.
Have fun Erillion I aint leaving. Like I said I am trying to keep an open mind. But something keeps eating at me. Why? Why did they do it like this? Two possibilities come to mind. 1) They are so out of touch with the community that they are blind to their very existence. And if that is true then what can we expect next time? How much lower will be they be willing to go next time? 2) They knew exactly what would happen and knew how it would upset the community. If this is true then it makes me ask why risk it? there would have to be some alterior motive. Like they knew it would cause this much trouble and they wanted it too. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory. Even to me. But I have seen companies and corporations do this. Never in a MMO. But others have purposely trashed a project to get insurance or whatever. And I am sure they have insurance for just such an eventuality. But I can say this for certain. After all the crap they stirred up, this sucker better be perfect. If this thing bombs it will be their own fault. Cant blame anyone but themselves and they loose alot across all games. SOE and Lucasarts will both take damage if this bombs. With the additude of the community and the way things are going, I will not be surprised if it does bomb. Kai
This stinks of console. Dunno if they're jamming it in a PS2 or waiting on the 3, but the crazy-simplified controls and the complete lack of any diversity just fits a console perfectly.
That, and there's NO WAY they can think that putting us through the complete mess the launch of the CU was, then scrapping the whole freaking game in 6 months could be ANYTHING but a plan to port it to a box.
If they had the plan for this in the hopper "before the CU" like they claim.. they wouldn't have put all the time and development in the CU, or the CH upgrade, SL upgrade, BH missions, ALL that stuff. They would have saved SO MUCH time and money saying "We're pushing the CU to November, but here's the wook expansion. and the mustifar expansion.. and the CU comes in November. Here's some info on our plans... come test... yadda yadda.
ANY money put into the development of SWG between February and now OUTSIDE of the new system would have been wasted money.. a LOT of it. Corporations hate to waste money.. there HAS to be a motive.
So either they are lying on the development time, or there is an alterior motive.
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He said " Sony Online Entertainment is a large company with many high-priced lawyers, but most big businesses would rather settle than risk the bad publicity and a mark against them with the BBB. I am confident that after taking these actions, they WILL refund my money, if only to save their reputation. I suggest if you are as equally outraged as I am by these practices, I suggest you take similar steps to obtain a refund for your ToOW purchase. Subscription billing is another matter, and one which I do not believe we have a case against. "
Sort of counting of them settling but for now they as mean in legal matters as they are in game
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A mark against a big company by the BBB isn't old news. It happens all the time, and there really isn't much they can do about it. The BBB does very little to protect companies against false claims, and therefore ends up being a pretty unreliable source of information. The BBB is a non-profit private organization that only has the ability to say "Yeah, someone complained." Heck, someone will *always* complain.
How does the BBB work?
You make a claim to the BBB.
The BBB contacts the company to see if they tried to settle.
The company replies with reasons they did or didn't.
The BBB reports it in their records.
This leaves little protection from people making claims with no backbone. A person can say *anything* to the BBB and the company can only say "Well umm... I have no idea what is happening." However, the BBB is more concerned about the company answering, whether positive or negative. If you look at BBB statistics, they show stats like "Resolved", "Delayed Resolve", etc. That doesn't really tell you much, as resolved doesn't have to mean resolved in a positive way. This still leaves no protection from a strongly worded false claim.
With all that being said, I am not sure what their policy on returns happens to be. If you purchased the game at a retailer other than Sony, they are not responsible for the refund. The retailer is responsible. If you purchased it through the Sony Store, then they will and should follow their standard refund policy.
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No more Jedi alpha class ? .-)
Will test it extensively on test Center starting this weekend. Lets see how this things works out in the harsh light of 10k testers.
Have fun
Erillion
Meh, protests and cancellations. Where have we seen this before?
While I agree, these are dramatic changes, the people on the forums and doing the protests are at this stage, over-reacting. Not one of them has tried the new system, not one of them knows how bad or how good it is. The funny thing is, even if they find it good, their pride will keep them from admitting it and we'll have to put up with their stupid posts for the next few months 
. Of course, their protests could be justified, who knows. We REALLY need to wait for TC and Live.
I find it kind of ironic that these people are complaining that they got ripped with ToOW and that they wasted their money, but they're prepared to take time they could be using to enjoy the expansion under the current system to protest?
No more Jedi alpha class ? .-)
Will test it extensively on test Center starting this weekend. Lets see how this things works out in the harsh light of 10k testers.
Have fun
Erillion
Regardless how it comes out though Eri, you know it was wrong for them to pull the cloth out from under the player table like this yet again for no reason what-so-ever. It was a bad business call and lacks an respect for the current player base, even if it proves to be an improvement to the game.
I am gonna give it a try just so I have wonders and regrets about quitting if I do, but I have very strong feelings of quitting regardless of wether I like it or not simply because of LEC's business practices at this point. Torres seems to have no respect or understanding of his playerbase at this point.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
It is a toss up for me ATM. I have been a BE for two years. I can't imagine playing any other role. I tried most of them before taking up BE full time. The CU crippled BE's (If it wasn't for the stim market we'd have all gone broke). This time they remove it completely. To be honest, the combat might be fun but they are killing the qualities that made the game stand apart from the rest. I am sure I will use my ten respecs and see if I like anything, but I am not looking beyond that. I still have my final respec from the first CU to use! LOL! Before I get around to using these ten, the game will probably be overhauled again!
I do like the "No-agro for crafters and entertainers" though.
P.S. I just got my D&D Online beta invite so I may not see much of the new system.
It's not about trying it, this huge change should have never been put in. There was no outcry from the playerbase for it, and they just put the players through one dramatic change. I think everyone is actually being far less dramatic then I expected about it to be honest considering you don't even know what your paying for anymore from one month to the next.
It was simply wrong of them to do, period.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
There is absolutely nothing productive about this statement and all it does is egg on arguements. How about you trying actually throwing out some intelligent discussion next time?
Oh no! The army of the righteous has joined the battle! We're caught in a crossfire!
Well Fae they pulled the same stuff with the CU
On the other hand I DONT HAVE TO BUY STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT2 NOW!
Seriously guys dont be so harsh on SOE. They do their best to keep their playerbase happy. This change is for the greater good of the game, it will bring the game alot of new players while weeding out those blasphemous trolls and flamers in the process.
Go SOE! At least you have one faithful player behind you.
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I don't know what you all are whinning/complaining about. For one you havn't tried it yet. Second,
SWG was dead to most of us anyways. I myself have stopped playing for a couple months now with a
80 MBH. Now that I can change my profession and get my stuff changed to the profession I choose. I
am going to resubscribe. Hopefully not everyone will be a jedi, I myself am going to change back to
my old favorite profession, a Smuggler. I'll probably make a jedi alt on another server though.
Anyways, TO ME this game looks like it is turning out for the best, because before this news, I
wasn't planning on going back to swg ever. Please people, don't knock it before trying it.
No they don't....if SOE and LA were intent on keeping the player base happy, they would be including tubes of KY Jelly with every box set.
So you say. Weren't people bitching about the previous CU and how it sucked, did nothing for the game, etc, etc? According to a few people here, tons of people quit the game due to the last CU. So if we go by what people say on the forums, then yeah there was an outcry for it.
In general though, outside of the SWG community, there seems to be more enthusiasim for this CU then there ever was for the last. Old veterans are already signing back up to try it out (my online friends list today had a whole lot of people on that had once quit a few months to a year back). So in some ways it has already succeded at sparking interest in the game.
For the record, I don't exactly agree with the changes (not yet anyway), but I don't disagree either. I'm in a confusing spot inbetween
I am trying so hard to stay opened minded. But in the back of mind I keep thinking, if I support these changes, no matter how good they are, I am also supporting how SOE and LA brought them out. Just tossing them in our laps and forcing us to accept them no matter what. And I cant do that. I cant support such low immoral practices.
Kai
Bye, Kai.
Have fun
Erillion
Incorrect, the CU was demanded for by the playerbase for a very long time. It just wasn't the CU that they said was coming, there is a large difference. I am sorry you can't see that.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
People will always bitch about change, there was no outcry for a dramatic change to the CU. There was an outcry for a reversion of the game and thats all.
As for old veterans signing back up, sure there will be some. There are people that stop to see a train wreck too, I don't think I would give it any more credit then that however. The game IS going to become jedi online now.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
And that actually is the greatest issue and my situation as well. Thats why I said I probably won't continue my sub even if the changes are fantastic for the game. They have crossed alot of lines at this point and by continued subscription I am giving my approval of their actions, which isn't the case.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I aint leaving. Like I said I am trying to keep an open mind.
But something keeps eating at me. Why? Why did they do it like this? Two possibilities come to mind.
1) They are so out of touch with the community that they are blind to their very existence. And if that is true then what can we expect next time? How much lower will be they be willing to go next time?
2) They knew exactly what would happen and knew how it would upset the community. If this is true then it makes me ask why risk it? there would have to be some alterior motive. Like they knew it would cause this much trouble and they wanted it too. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory. Even to me. But I have seen companies and corporations do this. Never in a MMO. But others have purposely trashed a project to get insurance or whatever. And I am sure they have insurance for just such an eventuality.
But I can say this for certain. After all the crap they stirred up, this sucker better be perfect. If this thing bombs it will be their own fault. Cant blame anyone but themselves and they loose alot across all games. SOE and Lucasarts will both take damage if this bombs. With the additude of the community and the way things are going, I will not be surprised if it does bomb.
Kai
I am trying so hard to stay opened minded. But in the back of mind I keep thinking, if I support these changes, no matter how good they are, I am also supporting how SOE and LA brought them out. Just tossing them in our laps and forcing us to accept them no matter what. And I cant do that. I cant support such low immoral practices.
Kai
I dunno, people still felt cheated and ignored when the original CU happened lol. One thing I dislike about SOE is that things go on the deadline, no matter what. Even if we were given a chance to have input, the changes would still happen pretty much the way they intended them and people become even more riled up (again, look at the original CU).
Overall, Chilastra seems to be dealing with this fairly calmly. Apart from a CH standing outside the Mensix Mining Facility, there hasn't been any protests (well, not while I've been on, and theres no mention of any on the Chilly forums) and the server activity hasn't really died off.
In the end, even if these are the best changes for the game, if they had given us warning no one would have wanted them. With something as huge as this, I don't think they'd ever be enough warning. Old habits die hard.
Dealing with it calmly can be a deceptive statment as well. What you are not seeing is no more buying selling, no more hurry up to grind last little bit, simply because of lack of information .
U also see very few grinder groups out and about simpley because folks are not logging in
Maybe some servers have some pvp going on
Folks may just not have the outrage they had for cu because they realized nothing what they did for the protesting of cu to the polls mattered a hill of beans.
So what you have now is a couple of thousand thread on the fourms of some angry posters. The rest will attempt to see what is on the test center and in the next few weeks make there decision to leave or stay plain and simple.
Basicaly, with right before xmass soe/lucus can use this oppertunity to re box it mass marketing/ advertise and bring in new players which will once again replace the players choosing to leave. THe vets and older players are frankly replaceable.........
The you can be jedi, will be a huge draw in , as long as players pay to play then whatever soe decides to do is and will be continued to include another re vamp in spring........
If I were still a subscriber, my greatest worry would be wondering if the game was going to fundamentally change at a moments notice. Why level a character if there's a chance it'll be gone in a few days or weeks? The lack of communication is the largest aspect of this change.
As for the 'we'll get the devs in TC', please lol. With the exception of the original game, I've beta tested most of the expansions and changes. Rarely did the devs respond to requests or warnings. The small snipets of code will be tweaked here and there, but the overall 'enhancements' will remain.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
This stinks of console. Dunno if they're jamming it in a PS2 or waiting on the 3, but the crazy-simplified controls and the complete lack of any diversity just fits a console perfectly.
That, and there's NO WAY they can think that putting us through the complete mess the launch of the CU was, then scrapping the whole freaking game in 6 months could be ANYTHING but a plan to port it to a box.
If they had the plan for this in the hopper "before the CU" like they claim.. they wouldn't have put all the time and development in the CU, or the CH upgrade, SL upgrade, BH missions, ALL that stuff. They would have saved SO MUCH time and money saying "We're pushing the CU to November, but here's the wook expansion. and the mustifar expansion.. and the CU comes in November. Here's some info on our plans... come test... yadda yadda.
ANY money put into the development of SWG between February and now OUTSIDE of the new system would have been wasted money.. a LOT of it. Corporations hate to waste money.. there HAS to be a motive.
So either they are lying on the development time, or there is an alterior motive.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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