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Full looting is a bad idea
ghoul31
Member Posts: 1,955
in Roma Victor
Full looting is bad for a game. You save for months to buy a nice item. Then 5 five minutes after you buy it, you are killed and lose it.
People will just stop wearing nice items and just wear junk.
This will totally ruin the part of the game where you save for items, or try to decide which items to put on your character.
And even if your armor and weapons are junk, it will still cost money to replace.
So say you die in a fight. Then you have to spend the rest of the night raising money for new armor and you won't be able to do any more fighting.
I really don't see how a full loot system could work
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Read the FAQ on the offical website. There is no uber items that you will have to save for months to buy. They are like real weapons. Some warriors(legions probably) would probably have some equipment provided for them. Also, in hardcore games like this you buy spare items to use if you happen to die. Probably whatever you are killing(most likely NPC soldiers) will have weapons you can take. Unless you suck and can't kill any NPC's then you might have a problem. War-like guilds will probably have stock piles of weapons. If you are in a crafter guild then you could just make a new weapon or get one from a friend. Full loot is the only way to go on a realistic game. If you have nothing to gain or lose what is the point of doing anything? In battles, full loot combined with the large map will make attrition a useful strategy.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
If all the weapons and armor are the same, then what do you need money for? There will be nothing to buy. And what will the point of crafting be?
There is high quality and low quality. There isn't "Uber Toe-Nail Cutter of Doom +999".
- Starcius
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
*folds hands together and prays*
Dear God, please dont let the Devs listen to these 1337's. Please dont let them ruin yet another online game. Im tired of playing single player games.
I tend to agree that full looting in any shape, way or manner is just plain silly. I mean seriously people listen to yourself, if the equipment you can loot off of people means so little, why do it in the first place, what reason is there other then to just give the person you just KILLED (no less) an even harder time, it's called a superiority gank mentality.
If it's a matter or realism, then why have just full looting, why not just have permanent death for everyone across the board and be done with it, why do a half assed job of it the first place ?
But anyways, that being said, whatever, let the leety's have their game, there is PLENTY of good games out there with pvp rules to satisfy just about anyone and everyone. If someone wants to market to the Ubers, by all means, maybe then we'll stop seeing people bitch and complain that any game they don't agree on is "carebear". And you know they JUST LOVE using that word.
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I tend to agree that full looting in any shape, way or manner is just plain silly. I mean seriously people listen to yourself, if the equipment you can loot off of people means so little, why do it in the first place, what reason is there other then to just give the person you just KILLED (no less) an even harder time, it's called a superiority gank mentality.
If it's a matter or realism, then why have just full looting, why not just have permanent death for everyone across the board and be done with it, why do a half assed job of it the first place ?
But anyways, that being said, whatever, let the leety's have their game, there is PLENTY of good games out there with pvp rules to satisfy just about anyone and everyone. If someone wants to market to the Ubers, by all means, maybe then we'll stop seeing people bitch and complain that any game they don't agree on is "carebear". And you know they JUST LOVE using that word.
The reason is because some people are not crafters and won't have any actual money. They will have goods they have recieved from combat to trade or use should they lose their own. The equipment doesn't mean a lot but, if you don't have armor then you are likely to lose to someone who does. It is fine if you do not like pvp games just don't tell us our games and concepts are bad. This game will have a much more realstic community and people like soldiers will have loot as their primary income. If they did not how would they make any money at all? The fact that this is a realistic game alone is a good enough reason to have full looting. Go play fantasy games where your items magically stay with you and a computer does the fighting instead of telling game developers that want a realistic game to make it an EQ clone.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
"Rome wasn't coded in a day"
- Kanoth
See I wasn't even arguing with you, I wasn't even dissagreeing with you, if anything I plain out stated that the OP was obviously mentaly deffecient when posting this tread but now you've made a stupid point and I'm sorry but I have to pont it out.
What heck are you talking about "realism"... how you can you bill a game as realistic when the person you just virtually stabbed can come back to life as he or she's self, get your none-uber weapons and exact their revenge. Hey I'm not saying it's a bad thing, like I said I in no way am I critisizing the game, it's not for me, whatever !, if it is for you, great ! but call it realism ? HAH ! I know you want/need to direly believe you are "teh leetnexx" but sorry chum, give it another go.
And listen, I have no problem with a game going a different direction, thats great, nothing wrong with that variety, in fact it's direly needed in todays gaming industry. BUT, if you want to start name calling and picking on games that are not your little hardcore hope child, get ready because I have no problem picking appart what your into also.
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See I wasn't even arguing with you, I wasn't even dissagreeing with you, if anything I plain out stated that the OP was obviously mentaly deffecient when posting this tread but now you've made a stupid point and I'm sorry but I have to pont it out.
Since you can't even spell mentally deficient, you are the obviously the one thats mentally deficient.
UO had full looting in the beginning, and it was a disaster. And Nobody has done it since. Not even hardcore pvp games like Shadowbane and Lineage 2 have done that. Thats because they learned from UO's mistakes.
UO is a different games. You cant put an orange rind inside of an apple.
Magical teleportation devices for players and equipment makes trade useless, as it would make trade in the real world useless as well.
See I wasn't even arguing with you, I wasn't even dissagreeing with you, if anything I plain out stated that the OP was obviously mentaly deffecient when posting this tread but now you've made a stupid point and I'm sorry but I have to pont it out.
Since you can't even spell mentally deficient, you are the obviously the one thats mentally deficient.
UO had full looting in the beginning, and it was a disaster. And Nobody has done it since. Not even hardcore pvp games like Shadowbane and Lineage 2 have done that. Thats because they learned from UO's mistakes.
LOL, yay spelling police ! your so cool, I wanna be just like you
. But hey listen, if the only thing you can critisize about my post is my spelling, which is admitedly horrid, then I've faired just fine, thanks for trying though.
But yes you are absolutely right, I did in fact spell "deficient" improperly, I'll correct it right away and give the right of way to your uber spelling talents, although since english is the third of 5 languages that I speak and write in, I'll ask those that are not so picky to perhaps give me a little break. But don't you dare do that Mr. Spelling Cop, I wouldn't want you to actually try and make a none-biased post without screening everyone through your spell check
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That is how this is different there is no uber items at all. So if you lose it is your own fault or you were ganked. Some of us loved old UO even if we did have to do something that wasn't instantly gratifying.
Shae the reason I said whatever it was that offended you it could of been because you were calling this a leety game in your first post. Don't make fun of other people's games then when they say something about yours, act like you don't know what they are talking about.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
OMG Listen to all the carebears lol, I LOVE THE IDEA and will loot as much as I can and when I die I will get up and try again. I will love this game if it stays as is plz dont let the carebears get thier way!!!!!!
{(RIP)} SWG
This is the type of player that is going to play this game. And they will drive everyone else away
I am ubeer leet haxxor. U are noob. lol
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
They will drive you away only if you're a carebear yourself. The point of this game is to be as much as realistic as possible. If you're stupid enough to venture out alone on the single road between rome and whatever there's a high chance someone might gank you. This is how it was back then this is how it will be in RV. What's the point of the game if there's no risk? Just go play wow if you don't like the idea.
Just remember, those who choose to do evil (what people call gankers) might get a little frustrated once they're killed the first time and find their trip through the afterlife taking alot longer than they thought:
"Death for whatever reason is not to be taken lightly. Unless your character has attained the (optional) 'Legend' class it will be instantly whisked away to the mysterious wonders of Elysium where your character will have to navigate its way through fantastic landscapes, puzzles, physical challenges, demons and duels. Those that have led a simple life can expect a relatively painless and trouble-free journey through Elysium and will soon find themselves licking their wounds back in the safety of their hometown. Characters that have led less virtuous lives can expect to have a much tougher time in Elysium and are therefore likely to take longer to return."
Also, those that attack anyone and everyone, may find it hard to do business with merchants:
"Using Reputations, Friends and Foes, Badges etc. NPC's can get a pretty good idea of who you are and what your character is about. So long as they have no reason to dislike you, your interaction with most NPC's should be fairly pleasant. They'll converse with you and may even trade depending on whether they actually have any money, goods or services to trade. Alternatively they may be more inclined to come running at you with axe swinging. Throughout your travels in Roma Victor - particularly off the beaten track - you are likely to encounter NPC's that have an irrational desire for your belongings. Alternatively you may simply come across a bear or a pack of wolves, equally keen to attack yet less interested in your goods. In either scenario fight or flight becomes a decision that should be taken pretty quickly."
Check this thread for information about the Reputations, Friends and Foes, and Badges:
http://www.roma-victor.com/community/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3284
"Rome wasn't coded in a day"
- Kanoth
listen people... the idea is simple... if you dont like full loot and free pvp. FOLLOW ANOTHER GAME.
if you think full loot is silly, go play eq, why are you here complaining and hopeing the devs will change things? Trust me on this one that they will not.
the ignorance of so many people on mmorpg.com is astounding. How many of you have actually PLAYED a game with full loot and free pvp? There has only ever been one and it was out before most of you played mmorpgs no doubt. If you started your mmorpg career with EQ or later, you just dont know and you only react from what you have heard from other carebears who heard from other carebears.
If you can say your 27+ years old, have been in over 30 beta tests, and been playing mmorpgs since they existed... and you STILL dont like free pvp and full loot. Then I can enter into a debate with you because I know the person atleast has the background to know both ways.
There are some people who cannot handle the freedom a game like UO, and RV give. That is why so many carebears complained and the UO devs stupidly listened to them. UO has been utter shit ever since. People are sheep, and they need a game like EQ and WOW to lead them by the hand with the rest of the heard, and make it seem like they actually accomplished something. UO and RV are true virtual worlds where there player impacts the game on a daily basis.
RV is the most realistic mmo ive ever played, and I like it that way. Games like EQ and WOW are shallow illogical games that arent even virtual worlds. If you dont like the features of a game.. FOLLOW ANOTHER DAMNED ONE.
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I'll freely name myself a "carebear" simply because I was introduced to the world of online gaming with EQ and have only played one other MMOG (WoW) for any lengthy period of time.
Now I do have my conscerns since I am only 21, only casually game, and did not have the good fortune to play this UO that I seen referenced to in so many forums. I would ask ,however, that our "carebear" conscerns not be met with such hostility. The reason I'm following RV is because I want to try a game that requires more skill than select target and press auto attack and has a little more risk.
I'm assuming that most people who post with conscerns about pvp games are like myself. We wish to try a different aspect of gaming through pvp, since the others did not hold our interests for very long, and decide to ask on the forums and get a feel for it from the 27+ year olds, who have been fortunate/skilled enough to be in over 30 beta tests, and generally played MMOG's since their existance. Instead of getting a general discussion about the benefits from these games, and showing us the ignorance of our "carebear" ways, we tend to get met with the general "you don't know what you are talking about," or "go follow another game if you can't handle it"
Again, help us to see how much better RV is than EQ and WoW and not simple tell us to go some where else. There really are a few of us "carebears" who wish to graduate from our training wheels.
*Goes to bunker and waits for forum assassination*