Perhaps the people that like Eve REALLY like Eve and the people that like WoW kinda like it (8 on a scale of 10) but think everything else is just really crappy so they play WoW by default (or cause of friends which I find to be a big reason for many)?
Originally posted by Munki They both have lots of fans. but wow has lotsa haters, who will vote 1 just to lower the rating.
Like someone already stated, if you vote just straight 1's it probably won't affect the ratings. Same would happen if you vote straight 10's.
Now THAT explain it!
I remember how it happened. WoW was in the lead with a good sized margin (something like 0.8-1 point) on everything else.. and then suddenly, in the ark of a day, plummeted down 1 point and ended up 3rd. The devs must have removed all the 10s and 1s... but as the WoW lovers tends to be more than the haters, there were a loads more 10s than 1s and that's what happened.
Well, what this thing tells us? If you like a game, don't give it a 10, but a 9.5
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Actualy if they did the rating system right, the higher you score it in every catagory the less it should count towards the overall score.
No MMOG is a 10, none of them are even 9s in everything. For one, every mmog out there sucks at lag in sme areas, so no game should ever get a 10 here. The same goes for the lower end scoring as well. If someones giving them all 9s or 1s they obviously love or hate the game and aren't even pretending to "score" it they're just trying to raise it's place on the list.
Since youre going to spew blatant lies im going to leave this argument with these words; Its not the games fault that it took you over 11 months to realize that no matter what you did you got outsmarted at every turn. The game isnt responsible for any grief sustained by your fellow players. Im glad that you found a game more on your level, enjoy it. Eve has the most dedicated following any mmo has ever seen and they will be enough to fuel it for years to come. Ratings on a site like this means little to eves prosperity. I played wow and frankly, i dont see how anyone with an attention span above that of a 12 year old kid with ADD could find it "fun" for more then a week, but to each their own i guess.
Sorry pirrg I honestly don't know WHAT you're getting at here???
I had played and quit WoW (for 4 months) before I ever tried EVE (3 months after I quit WoW). Yes, I liked WoW more than EVE, I also liked EQ2 and GW more than EVE, all from a gameplay aspect. EVE to me is boring immediately (well within 2 or 3 days) while WoW, GW and EQ2 took about 2 to 4 months to get boring for me.
As to the lag/Ironforge thing...you say I'm blatantly lying...I say you're just trying to AVOID the truth. The server I played on is recorded on WoWCensus as having 23,000 characters on it. At peak times back when I played it was averaging 2500 on at a time with more than 1500 of them being on the alliance side. You're trying to tell me that the MAIN HUB of the alliance is only going to have 60 to 80 people in it at peak times!! You've got to be kidding me...or like I said, covering your eyes to the truth! I was there, I know what I saw...you, on the other hand, are just an EVE appologist.
Originally posted by velyra Actualy if they did the rating system right, the higher you score it in every catagory the less it should count towards the overall score. No MMOG is a 10, none of them are even 9s in everything. For one, every mmog out there sucks at lag in sme areas, so no game should ever get a 10 here. The same goes for the lower end scoring as well. If someones giving them all 9s or 1s they obviously love or hate the game and aren't even pretending to "score" it they're just trying to raise it's place on the list.
Some people believe a game is a solid 10 or 1 and to arbitrarily remove their scores, or diminish them, is messing with the ratings to the point where they are not accurate or representative. You can't have honest ratings if you force your rating criteria onto others and remove scores that don't fit your subjective mold.
I would rather see a game receive a higher or lower score based on the reality of how many people hate or love a game, than see games lumped together indicating they are equally popular which is misleading and inaccurate.
One shouldn't choose a game based on popularity alone anyway, but if MMORPG.com is going to offer a rating system, then they shouldn't tweak the results.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
Originally posted by pirrg 280 players in one place? What ARE you smoking? 60ish players at MOST in major hubs like ogrimmar and ironforge and even then the lag is unbearable. I have experienced 100+ players in those early release crossroads raids and let me tell you, it wasnt pretty. And dont talk about its technical aspects as neither you nor i have any clue about that. I didnt say i follow that norm, i merely said most people do. Considering eve players are way more mature then the average wow player, id say eve has the more accurate rating of the two.
I've seen 50 people standing in the auction house alone in IF (not including all the pets), and then another 50 to 80 standing in the main "foyer" near the mailbox, then another 20 in the bank, 50 to 80 near the forge and the griffons, that's already getting up there... I'm no graphics-meister...but I do know that WoW's graphics would take a hell of a lot more processing power than EVE's. Just look at the complaints on EVE's own forums...there are actual game/graphics programmers on those forums complaining that EVE's code is not written well enough for the relatively easy to render graphics that exist in the game...nuff said!
Since youre going to spew blatant lies im going to leave this argument with these words;
Its not the games fault that it took you over 11 months to realize that no matter what you did you got outsmarted at every turn. The game isnt responsible for any grief sustained by your fellow players. Im glad that you found a game more on your level, enjoy it. Eve has the most dedicated following any mmo has ever seen and they will be enough to fuel it for years to come. Ratings on a site like this means little to eves prosperity.
I played wow and frankly, i dont see how anyone with an attention span above that of a 12 year old kid with ADD could find it "fun" for more then a week, but to each their own i guess.
i played wow, there is definitely more than 60 people in ironforge at peak times. like hadz said, i have seen numbers like mentioned in ironforge.
now why do you have to insult people based on their choice of game. i know people of all ages, 10-60 that play WoW.
if you want, it can work both ways. The people who play EVE must be the most boring people in the world. you must be mentally retarded to like to watch the travel in this game. Duh, look at the pretty colors, huh huh....wow, this system had pink gases! ooh, this system has blue gases! ooh, this system has a planet that looks like every other planet in every other system! no way, GRAY gases, yay!!
really, do you need to insult people who don't like your game? you want to make your game sound so cool and mature, but when you make those insults to other mmorpg players, it doesn't help.
Originally posted by Jorev Some people believe a game is a solid 10 or 1 and to arbitrarily remove their scores, or diminish them, is messing with the ratings to the point where they are not accurate or representative. You can't have honest ratings if you force your rating criteria onto others and remove scores that don't fit your subjective mold.
You also can't have an honest rating when you let just anyone vote on a game. I could go give every game on the list a 1 except the game I like just to see it score higher. I'm not requiered to even know anything about the game to rate it.
With a system like that, smaller games would never have a chance at getting a top score because the people who love the game would be far out numbered by the ones who are just "fighting" over the larger more popular games.
It really depends on what type of information the people running the poll are trying to display. If they really just want to show what games has the strongest fans, then yes a free for all vote is the way to go. If they want to show what game has the most ....quality? for your money they'd need some type of control.
You can't really win either way I suppose, which is why the people fighting over who should be in the top spot are rather sad.
Originally posted by pirrg That was the worst comeback ever ashkent.. im genuinly embarrassed to be in the same thread as you.
it wasn't meant to be an actual comeback, it was meant to mock you and other EVE fanboys' insult posts.
you should be embarrassed, but not for the reason you give. you should be embarrassed because of all the shameless plugs and promotion of EVE, the most boring mmo in history.
Originally posted by pirrg Worst.. comeback.. ever. I wont bother replying in an orderly fashion until you come up with a comeback worthy of my attention.
Originally posted by Ashkent you've got a point, all the hyped games are 7.2 and 7.1. surely at least one game would be hyped more than another. even the currently released mmorpgs ratings are very close. its not like one is way ahead or below another. odd to say the least.
yes, he does have a point. all the games are hyped between 5~8. i never see like a 3 for tibia, or an 8 for WoW. i guess ppl only rate the games they love and hate.
Ok this is what I've learned about the rating system over my time here at MMORPG.COM:
1st off: The site doesn't arbitrarily nuke "All 10's" or "all 1's" What it does do is throw away any ratings that are 10 across the board or 1 across the board.
2nd: It also watches for massive runs of players posting ratings all at once. It will toss such runs out, en masse, as 'garbage'.
3rd: If your rank on the boards drops below the point where you're allowed to rate a game your 'ranking' of any games will go away. So if someone logs into the site 1 day, posts a bunch of stuff so they can go rank a game, the game will only keep their ranking until their poster rating drops to the point where their review drops off the boards because they no longer can review.
So the rating system here is actually quite good at weeding out 'fanboi's and 'haters'. Which is why you won't see a game stay above 8.1 very long unless it's a very solid title.
EVERY game has been ranked high when it first came out. EQ2, WoW, GuildWars, etc. Every single one. Once the game was out a while and people started deciding they didn't like it they tend to decline down to a more normal level. At one point I think WoW boasted an 8.6 overall rating. EVERYONE Though that was nuts and, as I stated back then, it slowly declined to a more normal rating.
EVE, as others have said, is not one of those games that people "hate". It's either a great game and you love it or it's a great game that's not for you. It doesn't inspire the kind of 'love/hate' relationships that other MMORPG's do because, frankly, it has no real competition. SWG is it's closest competitor and it's not even really in the same Genre. People compare SWG to games like WoW and GuildWars rather than EVE because it fits that genre closer. EVE's ONLY competitor was Earth & Beyond. And back then Eve did get lambasted on the boards pretty regularly by E&B players.... till E&B closed and EVE wisely offered every E&B player a free transition to EVE (which roughly doubled their subscribers).
So where WoW, EQ2, SWG, DAOC and other games have DOZENS of competitors who's players are going to say "X game sucks, play this". EVE has players that say "EVE rocks" and the worst that most of it's 'detractors' will say is "EVE is boring" or "EVE just wasn't for me". But nobody really flames it the way they do games that they feel are in competition with their own.
Personally I never rate a game unfairly. I rate each category separately based upon my tastes. I actually give WoW high marks in Sound Quality, Gameplay, Stability and a couple other areas. I gave it lower rankings in "Value" and "Graphics" (Because I don't like cartoony graphics) and a couple other areas. None of my rankings was a 10 and none was a 1 I think my overall rating for WoW was somewhere in the 6's or 7's. EVE has an overall ranking, from me, of about 6.7. Primarily due to the fact that a sector that has over about 250 players in it is unplayable and often causes people to crash out of it but also because the game is *boring* to me and isn't worth the monthly fee, in my opionion.
Bottom line: The rating system is fair and is NOT influenced by adds. Take that one to the bank.
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Originally posted by SunHater Originally posted by Ashkent you've got a point, all the hyped games are 7.2 and 7.1. surely at least one game would be hyped more than another. even the currently released mmorpgs ratings are very close. its not like one is way ahead or below another. odd to say the least.
yes, he does have a point. all the games are hyped between 5~8. i never see like a 3 for tibia, or an 8 for WoW. i guess ppl only rate the games they love and hate.
Actually the reason you don't see games ranked below a 5 very often is simple: If the average score for a game were below 5 it probably would go out of business. Even the WORST MMORPG is still a decent game when all is said and done. Also, one must remember, that Best/Worst is a completely subjective statement. It has nothing 'measurable' about it. There are some MUDS out there that I actually enjoy more than some of today's MMORPG's.... That doesn't mean they're better, just that they cater to my playstyle better.
For every person who HATES something there are usually 2 or 3 people who like it. So the odds are very slim that a game will ever have a ranking below 5.0 average unless it's really horrific.
I look at the rankings kind of like the % grade someone gets in school. Anything over 7.0 (which I look at as a 70% approval ) is ok. Anything over 8.0 (which I look at as 80% approval) is fairly impressive and anything under 6.0 (60%) is downright awful
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Originally posted by pirrg That was the worst comeback ever ashkent.. im genuinly embarrassed to be in the same thread as you.
Well he's right you know. You are pretty much the only one insulting other people for liking different games than EVE. So what makes us believe that sort of immaturity doesnt exist in the game you are representing on this thread. If anything you are encouraging poeple to play other games, because I for one dont like to be insulted and wont pay $15 a month at EVE so people like you can insult me just because I dont agree with you.
No denial or confirmation by MMORPG.com staff on wether the ratings are tweaked.
Very interesting.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
This was posted by a MMORPG.com Mod in the "Eve is still ranked number 1???" thread...
Originally posted by En1Gma Use the search feature. It really is your friend. (top empty box on the upper right hand feature)1. Scores of all ones do not affect the rank 2. Scores of all tens do not affect the rank 3. A brief influx of hundreds of people voting for the same game positively does not affect rank 4. A brief influx of hundreds of people voting for the same game negatively doesnt not affect rankNo, no one from mmorpg.com is paid to alter the rank system No, no one from mmorpg.com is working a secret shift for a rival game company No, it is not a vast-wide conspiracy.If you don't like the ranking system, them that is fine. Play the game you like. That's what it is all about anyways. Play what you enjoy.
And now I will leave this thread. I take no part in flame wars.
To the OP, I don't believe for a second that game ranking has anything to do with advertising on the site and WoW used to be all over the place on this site on the run up to launch, GW has surpassed 1 million sales & they obviously like shouting about that & EVE has a special offer they want to promote.
As for WoW do they need any more players when the have 1/2 the world playing already & lets face it Blizzard could do a poop in a game box & still sell a million copies with no advertising at all.
Originally posted by Bennjim To the OP, I don't believe for a second that game ranking has anything to do with advertising on the site and WoW used to be all over the place on this site on the run up to launch, GW has surpassed 1 million sales & they obviously like shouting about that & EVE has a special offer they want to promote. As for WoW do they need any more players when the have 1/2 the world playing already & lets face it Blizzard could do a poop in a game box & still sell a million copies with no advertising at all. Benny..............................
I don't think Blizzard could get away with that. The "poop in a gamebox" concept is being monopolized by SOE.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
Originally posted by Ashkent very, very, very suspiscious here's my take on it - WoW is like the best mmorpg made to date, even though its not perfect, so people know about it. most of the games on this site that have banners, are begging for more players. see, they are either so old, so crappy, so boring, or so unknown, that they need to be advertised. no one wants to play them them anymore so they have to do whatever they can to try to sucker people into playing them.
yeah, wow is like the best mmorpg made to date :P thats called an OPINION, and alot of people wouldnt agree with ya on that one..
Originally posted by Ashkent very, very, very suspiscious here's my take on it - WoW is like the best mmorpg made to date, even though its not perfect, so people know about it. most of the games on this site that have banners, are begging for more players. see, they are either so old, so crappy, so boring, or so unknown, that they need to be advertised. no one wants to play them them anymore so they have to do whatever they can to try to sucker people into playing them.
yeah, wow is like the best mmorpg made to date :P thats called an OPINION, and alot of people wouldnt agree with ya on that one..
i don't see where i said it was fact.
as i said, its not perfect, but they did a lot of things right, or better compared to most mmorpgs out there. they also did a few things worse than other mmorpgs, but i think the good outweighs the bad for the most part. WoW and DAoC are the only 2 mmorpgs out of the many I have played that I played the longest. SWG gave me 3 months, UO gave me a few months too, DAOC was 1.5 years, WoW was 7 months. the rest of the games I quit before my free month trial was up. Several of those games I quit the same day i started them, because they sucked so bad.
What I am concerned with, is that ratings that don't fit MMORPG.com's subjective view, are being discarded, which is skewing the overall ratings, and propping up mediocre games. All the higher rated games are bunched together which seems very unrealistic.
If MMORPG.com feels that 1 and 10 ratings are not realistic, then remove those as choices and leave a scale of 2-9. To leave them in and yet say, "well we feel too many 1 and 10 ratings are not valid choices so we will arbitrarily ignore those voters", is disingenuous.
By all means take measures to limit padding by limiting 1 vote per game per IP address, but if someone wants to rate a game a certain way, it's their view and their choice and the ratings should reflect it.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
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Perhaps the people that like Eve REALLY like Eve and the people that like WoW kinda like it (8 on a scale of 10) but think everything else is just really crappy so they play WoW by default (or cause of friends which I find to be a big reason for many)?
Like someone already stated, if you vote just straight 1's it probably won't affect the ratings. Same would happen if you vote straight 10's.
Now THAT explain it!
I remember how it happened. WoW was in the lead with a good sized margin (something like 0.8-1 point) on everything else.. and then suddenly, in the ark of a day, plummeted down 1 point and ended up 3rd. The devs must have removed all the 10s and 1s... but as the WoW lovers tends to be more than the haters, there were a loads more 10s than 1s and that's what happened.
Well, what this thing tells us? If you like a game, don't give it a 10, but a 9.5
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Actualy if they did the rating system right, the higher you score it in every catagory the less it should count towards the overall score.
No MMOG is a 10, none of them are even 9s in everything. For one, every mmog out there sucks at lag in sme areas, so no game should ever get a 10 here. The same goes for the lower end scoring as well. If someones giving them all 9s or 1s they obviously love or hate the game and aren't even pretending to "score" it they're just trying to raise it's place on the list.
Sorry pirrg I honestly don't know WHAT you're getting at here???
I had played and quit WoW (for 4 months) before I ever tried EVE (3 months after I quit WoW). Yes, I liked WoW more than EVE, I also liked EQ2 and GW more than EVE, all from a gameplay aspect. EVE to me is boring immediately (well within 2 or 3 days) while WoW, GW and EQ2 took about 2 to 4 months to get boring for me.
As to the lag/Ironforge thing...you say I'm blatantly lying...I say you're just trying to AVOID the truth. The server I played on is recorded on WoWCensus as having 23,000 characters on it. At peak times back when I played it was averaging 2500 on at a time with more than 1500 of them being on the alliance side. You're trying to tell me that the MAIN HUB of the alliance is only going to have 60 to 80 people in it at peak times!! You've got to be kidding me...or like I said, covering your eyes to the truth! I was there, I know what I saw...you, on the other hand, are just an EVE appologist.
Some people believe a game is a solid 10 or 1 and to arbitrarily remove their scores, or diminish them, is messing with the ratings to the point where they are not accurate or representative. You can't have honest ratings if you force your rating criteria onto others and remove scores that don't fit your subjective mold.
I would rather see a game receive a higher or lower score based on the reality of how many people hate or love a game, than see games lumped together indicating they are equally popular which is misleading and inaccurate.
One shouldn't choose a game based on popularity alone anyway, but if MMORPG.com is going to offer a rating system, then they shouldn't tweak the results.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
id say something suspicious not because of wow but because of eve :P
guild wars is better then wow lol
Since youre going to spew blatant lies im going to leave this argument with these words;
Its not the games fault that it took you over 11 months to realize that no matter what you did you got outsmarted at every turn. The game isnt responsible for any grief sustained by your fellow players. Im glad that you found a game more on your level, enjoy it. Eve has the most dedicated following any mmo has ever seen and they will be enough to fuel it for years to come. Ratings on a site like this means little to eves prosperity.
I played wow and frankly, i dont see how anyone with an attention span above that of a 12 year old kid with ADD could find it "fun" for more then a week, but to each their own i guess.
i played wow, there is definitely more than 60 people in ironforge at peak times. like hadz said, i have seen numbers like mentioned in ironforge.
now why do you have to insult people based on their choice of game. i know people of all ages, 10-60 that play WoW.
if you want, it can work both ways. The people who play EVE must be the most boring people in the world. you must be mentally retarded to like to watch the travel in this game. Duh, look at the pretty colors, huh huh....wow, this system had pink gases! ooh, this system has blue gases! ooh, this system has a planet that looks like every other planet in every other system! no way, GRAY gases, yay!!
really, do you need to insult people who don't like your game? you want to make your game sound so cool and mature, but when you make those insults to other mmorpg players, it doesn't help.
That was the worst comeback ever ashkent.. im genuinly embarrassed to be in the same thread as you.
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it wasn't meant to be an actual comeback, it was meant to mock you and other EVE fanboys' insult posts.
you should be embarrassed, but not for the reason you give. you should be embarrassed because of all the shameless plugs and promotion of EVE, the most boring mmo in history.
Worst.. comeback.. ever. I wont bother replying in an orderly fashion until you come up with a comeback worthy of my attention.
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yes, he does have a point. all the games are hyped between 5~8.
i never see like a 3 for tibia, or an 8 for WoW. i guess ppl only rate the games they love and hate.
Ok this is what I've learned about the rating system over my time here at MMORPG.COM:
1st off:
The site doesn't arbitrarily nuke "All 10's" or "all 1's"
What it does do is throw away any ratings that are 10 across the board or 1 across the board.
2nd:
It also watches for massive runs of players posting ratings all at once. It will toss such runs out, en masse, as 'garbage'.
3rd:
If your rank on the boards drops below the point where you're allowed to rate a game your 'ranking' of any games will go away. So if someone logs into the site 1 day, posts a bunch of stuff so they can go rank a game, the game will only keep their ranking until their poster rating drops to the point where their review drops off the boards because they no longer can review.
So the rating system here is actually quite good at weeding out 'fanboi's and 'haters'. Which is why you won't see a game stay above 8.1 very long unless it's a very solid title.
EVERY game has been ranked high when it first came out. EQ2, WoW, GuildWars, etc. Every single one. Once the game was out a while and people started deciding they didn't like it they tend to decline down to a more normal level. At one point I think WoW boasted an 8.6 overall rating. EVERYONE Though that was nuts and, as I stated back then, it slowly declined to a more normal rating.
EVE, as others have said, is not one of those games that people "hate". It's either a great game and you love it or it's a great game that's not for you. It doesn't inspire the kind of 'love/hate' relationships that other MMORPG's do because, frankly, it has no real competition. SWG is it's closest competitor and it's not even really in the same Genre. People compare SWG to games like WoW and GuildWars rather than EVE because it fits that genre closer. EVE's ONLY competitor was Earth & Beyond. And back then Eve did get lambasted on the boards pretty regularly by E&B players.... till E&B closed and EVE wisely offered every E&B player a free transition to EVE (which roughly doubled their subscribers).
So where WoW, EQ2, SWG, DAOC and other games have DOZENS of competitors who's players are going to say "X game sucks, play this". EVE has players that say "EVE rocks" and the worst that most of it's 'detractors' will say is "EVE is boring" or "EVE just wasn't for me". But nobody really flames it the way they do games that they feel are in competition with their own.
Personally I never rate a game unfairly. I rate each category separately based upon my tastes. I actually give WoW high marks in Sound Quality, Gameplay, Stability and a couple other areas. I gave it lower rankings in "Value" and "Graphics" (Because I don't like cartoony graphics) and a couple other areas. None of my rankings was a 10 and none was a 1 I think my overall rating for WoW was somewhere in the 6's or 7's. EVE has an overall ranking, from me, of about 6.7. Primarily due to the fact that a sector that has over about 250 players in it is unplayable and often causes people to crash out of it but also because the game is *boring* to me and isn't worth the monthly fee, in my opionion.
Bottom line:
The rating system is fair and is NOT influenced by adds. Take that one to the bank.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
yes, he does have a point. all the games are hyped between 5~8.
i never see like a 3 for tibia, or an 8 for WoW. i guess ppl only rate the games they love and hate.
Actually the reason you don't see games ranked below a 5 very often is simple:
If the average score for a game were below 5 it probably would go out of business. Even the WORST MMORPG is still a decent game when all is said and done. Also, one must remember, that Best/Worst is a completely subjective statement. It has nothing 'measurable' about it. There are some MUDS out there that I actually enjoy more than some of today's MMORPG's.... That doesn't mean they're better, just that they cater to my playstyle better.
For every person who HATES something there are usually 2 or 3 people who like it. So the odds are very slim that a game will ever have a ranking below 5.0 average unless it's really horrific.
I look at the rankings kind of like the % grade someone gets in school. Anything over 7.0 (which I look at as a 70% approval ) is ok. Anything over 8.0 (which I look at as 80% approval) is fairly impressive and anything under 6.0 (60%) is downright awful
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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Still in: A couple Betas
Hey pirrg...how about replying to MY comeback...seeing as how you were having the discussion with me...
Or maybe you can't take the facts presented there, and just need to argue with emotions, generalisations and head-in-the-sand avoidance.
No denial or confirmation by MMORPG.com staff on wether the ratings are tweaked.
Very interesting.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
Ahem,..
This was posted by a MMORPG.com Mod in the "Eve is still ranked number 1???" thread...
And now I will leave this thread. I take no part in flame wars.
So what we know is.
Vote in 1's and 2's or 10's and 9's.
Don't vote at a time when lots of other people are voting and say how much the game sUxx0rz
To the OP, I don't believe for a second that game ranking has anything to do with advertising on the site and WoW used to be all over the place on this site on the run up to launch, GW has surpassed 1 million sales & they obviously like shouting about that & EVE has a special offer they want to promote.
As for WoW do they need any more players when the have 1/2 the world playing already & lets face it Blizzard could do a poop in a game box & still sell a million copies with no advertising at all.
Benny..............................
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
yeah, wow is like the best mmorpg made to date :P thats called an OPINION, and alot of people wouldnt agree with ya on that one..
yeah, wow is like the best mmorpg made to date :P thats called an OPINION, and alot of people wouldnt agree with ya on that one..
i don't see where i said it was fact.
as i said, its not perfect, but they did a lot of things right, or better compared to most mmorpgs out there. they also did a few things worse than other mmorpgs, but i think the good outweighs the bad for the most part. WoW and DAoC are the only 2 mmorpgs out of the many I have played that I played the longest. SWG gave me 3 months, UO gave me a few months too, DAOC was 1.5 years, WoW was 7 months. the rest of the games I quit before my free month trial was up. Several of those games I quit the same day i started them, because they sucked so bad.
What I am concerned with, is that ratings that don't fit MMORPG.com's subjective view, are being discarded, which is skewing the overall ratings, and propping up mediocre games. All the higher rated games are bunched together which seems very unrealistic.
If MMORPG.com feels that 1 and 10 ratings are not realistic, then remove those as choices and leave a scale of 2-9. To leave them in and yet say, "well we feel too many 1 and 10 ratings are not valid choices so we will arbitrarily ignore those voters", is disingenuous.
By all means take measures to limit padding by limiting 1 vote per game per IP address, but if someone wants to rate a game a certain way, it's their view and their choice and the ratings should reflect it.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh