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Give it a rest already veterans
eirek
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So you think your in the right because the average review on gamespot is a 1? Lol, even I know almost no game could receive a 1, right there it just tells me you have a bunch a veterans that are pissed, nothing more.
Just because you can't macro kill everything now doesn't mean you need to keep whining, you should know by now SOE doesn't change stuff just because there customers say so :P
Turn the safety on your gun off, and let people enjoy this new console style, nobody cares about how much you liked it before and how they killed it....as long as it is STILL FUN is whay people are wanting to know...and yes it is.
And while I'm really confused with the whole crafting revamp, I will say I totally love the new combat...and please, please, please play the go* damn game before you say that all your doing is pressing the friggin fire key 100 times a second...HOLD THE FRIGGIN THING DOWN, you dont have to keep clicking...
/rant off
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I dont think that's really it though
Look at the official forums over there. Its pretty bad. And it's not just veterans.
Im trying to get an interview with Julio Torres so Ill keep you all posted. This is big news in the MMO world. Multiple MMO companies across the world are eyeing this NGE to see the outcome. It will be the final blow to SWG OR it will be the one thing that will save the game.
Ill keep you guys informed. We'll see.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I enjoyed myself last night for the 5 levels i played it hasnt got me to resubscribe yet but its definately got me considering it. Personaly i enjoyed the combat but thats just my 2cents.
While I definately agree that it's not just veterans that don't like it, hell look at WoW, lots of people dont like that, doesn't mean it's a bad game, same with Star Wars Galaxies.....
Game Pre CU = 9
Game Pre NGE = 8
Game Now = 7
SOE = Horrible Company!!! -100
Still though, the game at least in my humble opinion is fun. I liked it alot more before the CU and even before the NGE but the point is that it's still fun.
Honestly if it were up to me, I'd hope that SOE gets flushed down the toilet and someone out there makes a better version of Star Wars and ACTUALLY listens to it's customers. But of course that would be a almost a first in the MMO industry.
Well, they've managed to apparently alienate more than 80% of their remaining VETERAN playerbase.
Now, granted they intend it to be eventually released to the PS3. But, that's a long time from now. Nine months? Forever in MMO terms, especially this one.
It's not going to make it at this pace. It's the old guy on Benny Hill, getting spanked on the top of the head and being sent packing.
Yesterday, I endeavored to get myself a copy of the ToOW and return to see what they've done. Turns out, nobody in the area ever stocked it. That's how poorly the OLD game was doing, they didn't even stock the expansion for it.
Oh well, I can play without it. Erm, no I can't. Seems I can't reactivate my account with this new system, designed by a monkey wearing pink pajamas. Oh well, I can wait for customer service. Erm, no I can't, seems they are so overwhelmed with calls that i can't get through.
No biggie, I can wait a day. Two. A week maybe. Then, after reading the bug reports and comments after the forums came back online, I counted myself a lucky basturd and uninstalled galaxies off my machine.
I can wait indefinitely until they fix this, but given past experience with SOE, indefinitely is about how long I WILL have to wait. These guys never finish ANYTHING. They have never once completed a project on this team. NEVER. Even the CU, in the midst of the professional reworks to fit the combat model, is scrapped and they start over again.
How many more weeks until they do it again? Already my main has thrown away more than 20 million credits on weapons and armor that I can't use anyway!
Yeah, this is how to run an MMO post-release.
I'm going to make this abundantly clear - the management that has plagued this product should have been tarred and feathered 1.5 years ago, but in a politcal nightmare like what exists at SOE, the worst scum rises to the top of the pond.
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Chief Creative Director.
Like the 2400 times before, the hotfix isn't going to fix anything, and it's going to add literally hundreds of bugs. I'm only pissed because I'll never actually get to see a finished product now. It's rather annoying considering all the fucking money I've spent on it so far.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
The veterans?
These are the same people that have pissed and moaned since day 1. They were never happy with anything the devs did. I bought the game the day it released and I think that the first 4 months are about the most entertaining the game has ever been. After that these people started to complain about having to group and not being able to wear tons of armor and blah blah blah.....ad infinitum.
Frankly its the veterans fault that the game is screwed up in the first place so if anyone deserves to get the shaft its them.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
So you think your in the right because the average review on gamespot is a 1? Lol, even I know almost no game could receive a 1, right there it just tells me you have a bunch a veterans that are pissed, nothing more
If you read the reviews on gamespot like I did, most of the vets did play it. I did as well on the TC and it was terrible. Bugs galore, minimal character diversity, combat issues, lag and so on. Did these vets give low scores because they're upset, sure. But they have a right to be upset. They spent years building something special in a game they loved only to have it taken away in an instant. If you want to talk about tolerance why not start there. And by the way if you've been reading the SWG forums then you know that people are leaving in droves. So this isn't just the antics of a few uspet vets were talking about here. The biggest guild, FOE, on the biggest server, Bria, has been gutted and the most respected guild, ATO, has been disbanded along with other members of the ID, FBI and FTW. So this isn't some small group of disgruntled individuals it's a wave of change that could spell the end for SWG.
Just because you can't macro kill everything now doesn't mean you need to keep whining, you should know by now SOE doesn't change stuff just because there customers say so :P
If you played in the post-CU era then you know that macro killing MOBs was a sure way to get yourself killed. Pre-CU sure but not post. And most of the vets your talking about were done grinding anyway and had no need to macro kill MOBs. Many of those vets were PVP'ers like myself. Macro's for anything other than force aura would be a sure fire way to get you killed as well. I didn't have much use for macros cause they didn't work that well and interfered with combat.
Turn the safety on your gun off, and let people enjoy this new console style, nobody cares about how much you liked it before and how they killed it....as long as it is STILL FUN is whay people are wanting to know...and yes it is.
I'm glad you think it's fun but many don't. I don't want to play and FPS I want something that is a bit more thought provoking when it comes to combat. Holding down a mouse button isn't my idea of challenging. Having to think about when to use AB and KD along with states and the multitude of other attacks we had was much more immersive. Watching the other players mind bar and trying to drain it was fun. But hey if you like it then enjoy holding your mouse key down and playing with noobs all around you.
*And if we look to our left, we see the hardcore fanboi. Much like the hardcore nub, the fanboi defies all logic and uses his "3 monkeys" defense" to escape would be predators.* But seriously folks, I can't imagine anyone who likes this game as it is now, has played the game for any substantial amount of time. And if they have, then finally, because the game is so eroded and simplified, they are finally able to not get stomped to the bottom of the pile every day in everything they did, then good for them. I just wonder how many will show their faces in the future when the game is dead and gone.
Awww... whats the matter guys? Didn't have what it takes to cut it in the older version of the game?
Dude, it's not nub, it's n00b. And if you can't imagine anyone liking the game as it is now then you haven't tried it or are infinitely closed minded or both.
As for the firestorm on the official forums and gamespot, forums are a place for people to go and complain, the happy people are playing the game. Lots of them too.
Geez all people ever did was complain about the old game, and now that they change it they cry "We want it back!" Frankly I applaud sony for pulling the plug on the old system, the new one is fun! Grinding bols wasn't, it was boring.
I laugh because I thought most veterans would applaud the new changes! Many do, but it is the vocal complainers that take center stake in times like these. Give us our broken game back! Sad and funny at the same time.
These are the same people that have pissed and moaned since day 1. They were never happy with anything the devs did. I bought the game the day it released and I think that the first 4 months are about the most entertaining the game has ever been. After that these people started to complain about having to group and not being able to wear tons of armor and blah blah blah.....ad infinitum.
Well I may not have been there since day one but the grouping complaints didn't start happening until after the CU went into effect which was more than 4 months after the initial launch. Prior to then groupig wasn't an issue that I'm aware of. I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding armor but I know at one point Jedi could where armor then they couldn't so maybe they were complaining when armor was no longer allowed for Jedi and they were getting pwned by ranged players that had 90% resists to everything I dunno. As you state there were many that whined ad naseum but there was also many legitimate issues with the game. It wasn't perfect but it had much potential.
Frankly its the veterans fault that the game is screwed up in the first place so if anyone deserves to get the shaft its them.
As far as the game getting screwed up it wasn't the vets fault it was a lot of things that created a game that wasn't as strong financially as the bean counters wanted it to be. Flaws in development, marketing, lack of customer service and lastly not taking into consideration what their palyer base wanted. Remember for 1 whiner there were 100's that never complained. So don;t be too hasty to make generalizations. If you want more detail read this http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=468222&topic=24523542
That's a load of crap.
The TRUE veterans were the ones who enjoyed the pre-cu days. Who tried to make the game more enjoyable with player events and other gatherings. They were the ones who quietly played since launch and had a great time. The ones who gave constuctive feedback, and had multiple accounts.
Sure, there were a few people who bitched about this and that, but they were a minority of the players.
Then the CU came and pissed off the vets, but they ADAPTED because they love the game.
This new game is NOT the game they loved. This is not the game they bought. They are pissed. The silent majority is no longer silent. SOE has awoken their sleeping giant... and that giant is leaving.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Jheron....
Obviously you know very little about the early stages of the game. The CU was put out in an attempt to fix the changes that had already ruined the game. You may not realize it but grouping was the rule when the game came out not the exception. You didnt go out without a group because there were no buffs and armor was too hard on the ham bars to wear. The only way to survive back then was to group.
It was great there were no jedi and no comp armor clones. Trade business was booming. It was really a great time to be in the game. Then came the whining "vets" to ruin it for everyone. The CU was a band aid for all the horrible changes that came from it. Things like invincibility buffs and 80% resist armor along with those came solo groups and the hologrind. All of that happened long before the CU was ever concieved.
This game became exactly what the so called "veterans" wanted and drove away more players than anything since then ever has. Listening to the whiners is what got them into a position of needing these current changes. If they are smart they wont bother listening anymore and just make the damn game.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
That's absurd, even for you AA.
If SOE/LA would've listened to veterans, I doubt that SWG would be in it's current state. Routinely SOE/LA introduced mechanics that went well beyond what the community was suggesting. For example, the CU. Yes the combat system needed revamping, but not the extent of what was implemented. Reductions to buffs and armor, and possibly some counter measures to CM poisons would've been fine for most combatants.
Not to mention the endemic issue of Jedi.
I know of many veterans, including myself, that routinely worked on TC. Did the devs listen when we reported bugs and warned that builds weren't ready for release? Rarely.
Do yourself a favor and come to grips that SOE/LA have royally screwed-up. Don't blame the players who have supported this game, and company, over the past 3 years. Place blame where it's due. ^_^
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Anyone who ever spammed the damn forum with whining about not being tough enough or being forced to group to take on hard mobs etc.... is to blame.
They could never just be happy to have a game that didnt involve elves and wizards. Always finding the negative aspects of every positive instead of providing good unbiased feedback. Every leet wannabe should be dragged down the street and shot for asking for higher buffs and better armor and cries for jedihood......
Then they have the gall to complain when they got everything they asked for. If I were the devs I would shut down the forums all together. Find a focus group of testers that have actual feedback to offer and stick with them. Obviously consulting the general populous of the game will get them nowhere fast.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
That's a load of crap.
The TRUE veterans were the ones who enjoyed the pre-cu days. Who tried to make the game more enjoyable with player events and other gatherings. They were the ones who quietly played since launch and had a great time. The ones who gave constuctive feedback, and had multiple accounts.
Sure, there were a few people who bitched about this and that, but they were a minority of the players.
Then the CU came and pissed off the vets, but they ADAPTED because they love the game.
This new game is NOT the game they loved. This is not the game they bought. They are pissed. The silent majority is no longer silent. SOE has awoken their sleeping giant... and that giant is leaving.
So what you're saying is that even tho I've been playing since Day 1, I'm not considered a true Vet since I enjoyed the CU more then Pre-CU?
You are in the minority. 80% of the players hated it, but they launched it. Of those who stayed, a majority tolerated the CU.
I'm just goddamn tired of these noobs coming in here and telling those who put 2 years of work and sweat into a game we loved have "ruined it".
Sorry knobs... we aren't doing the coding. And not once in two years has SOE even asked for our opinions. When we GAVE then our opinions they ignored them. We told them how to fix things, and they did something different.. TWICE.
But you know what our error was? Sticking around. Feeding the beast 15 bucks a months, so they thought they were doing us right. Giving them champaign dreams of becoming a dumbed down WoW and keeping their vets.
Didn't happen.
Won't happen.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Lol, I'm sure Star Wars had no draw to the game whatsoever. Most of the people that I played with who left for other games, reluctantly did so just because the other games were about Elves and Orcs.
Pre-CU I rarely saw posters asking for higher buffs and armor. The community that I played with wanted an environment similar to the first few months of the game, before everyone discovered 90% composite and buffs.
As for Jedi, that continues to be the #1 reason that I've personally found why players left the game. Ridding the game of Jedi, or at least controlling them more effectively, was mostly likely one of the top complaints. Did SOE/LA listen to them? Obviously not, Jedi are now a starter profession in the NGE.
With the NGE, it's obvious that the only community that SOE/LA is listening to is the current market (read World of Warcraft). They designed the game to be more in line with other games in hopes of attracting the big 4+ million-subscriber base. I can't really blame them, but Moses did they screw over their vets doing so.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
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i ll you people do is whin there nothing anyone can do to change anything so just give it up
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