I find all this whining about how the pioneers will have so much money it will unbalance the game funny. Building, expanding, and maintaining fortresses takes money and THEY CAN BE DESTROYED. Items wear out and have to be repaired and replaced. Pioneer characters will have some money at the end but nothing exceptional.
See. The above poster is what I'm talking about. I believe Inferno was the one who was all high and mighty with his position at Stratics.. he loved it. He posted all this information about it and was psyched. Then overnight, he is no longer with Stratics and his ENTIRE view of the game does a 180.
Inferno, why are you here? Why are you posting in the forums of a game you no longer support? Why do you feel the need to bash a game that you don't like, when thousands of others still have hope?
Please, I'd like a good reason. People like you are the reason I made my other post.
I offer the same question to Jackdog.
In other words, stop acting like bashing the game is going to have some impact on the community. Anything you guys say negatively toward this game will have absolutely no effect on wether or not I play it or not, so why bother? Just to bitch about nothing? Do you think people actually care that you don't like it? You're not that important, sorry..
It has nothing to do with being important or not. I know that people like you would prefer to silence all "opposition" and live in their rose-colored dreamworld of DnL fanboiism. I don't care about you, but instead of bitching the way you did (weird that you bitch so much although you don't care anyway about what we say), think about why someone like me would make a 180° turnaround and prefer to bash DnL instead of hyping it, like I did when I was still a supporter of it. Think about the events behind the scenes, that you are unaware of, that made people like 'Naar', a longtime supporter of DnL and popular forum member, quit and abandon DnL. What do you think makes us reconsider our attitude about the game? I've said it often enough: DnL is going to be a failure and I am merely watching its downfall when SOG is released and your whining to NP3/AD and us that "nobody told you" how bad the game would be. Then I can tell you - we told you, but you refused to listen, being the stubborn and blind fanboi that you and others here are. Mourning also had a fanboi-community that hyped the game beyond belief. Their hope was shattered and the brouhaha was felt throughout the MMOG-world when the company behind Mourning ran with the money as was predicted by many, including me. The fact that DnL still has a strict NDA silencing all non-propaganda opinions does not worry you at all? I guess it must be in your nature to happily accept the marketing-hype by AD as faithfully as you do. A healthy opposition to the fanbois and hype generated for DnL is good and may hopefully save a few people from wasting their money. Check out DnL with SoG, but please don't pre-order the game. You'd regret wasting your money. Your kind of unquestioning support for crappy games is what ruined the MMOG market - there's no reason to be proud of that achievement.
You can be sure that whomever cares about his $60 will not risk to pre-order a non-existing game but please do not spoil the dreams of others like me, who still have the hope!
Do you remember these fine moments before opening the box and before installing a brand new game You just have to enjoy that moments and be more optimistic!
Originally posted by ghoul31 No, its not dumb to preorder If you preorder, you will get to transfer all your gold into the released version of the game plus, you will get a pet dragon and lots of other stuff
I would rather start out on release day with millions in my bank, rather than be toatally broke.
Of course, you may not like the game, but I think its a risk worth taking
I don't knwo if you read what will be happening in SoG but here goes. There is a level cap yes a level cap, the cap is up to level 50. The money thing is only if your character has money left over in SoG and I seriously doubt it will be in the millions. Oh yeah you might have noticed but everyone will be able to have a dragon, maybe not at launch but at later levels. What can you do with the dragon anyway at level 1. Come on be real by the time you can seriously use it I would have already have one.
Just my 2 cents.
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Don't get me wrong - I'd support pre-ordering a game, if it is worth it. I just think that DnL needs to be tried before you buy it (or not), because there is absolutely no unbiased info that you can use to base your opinion about the game on. What little info there is, has been carefully handpicked by AD to display DnL in a shining light of glory. Any and all criticism is being silenced on the official forums and there is no real game info available, beyond overarching class-descriptions and hype about the landscape. Supporting the purse of NP3 by pre-ordering DnL, is the wrong way to go. It confirms to them and other developers, that they can make money even with bad products, if only they hype the product enough.
It has been said before and I'll say it again - supporting shady business tactics of game developers by buying their hype and (possibly) unfinished products, does not help the MMOG community. DnL is a business first and foremost. AD and NP3 have proven often enough that the community is second-rate when it comes to releasing info in time, sticking to promises, doing dev chats, etc. The price for the pre-order speaks volumes aswell - or have you ever seen a MMOG pre-order for $59.00 (not to mention that they totally ignore their European playerbase by ignoring to post the price in Euro)?! If you play SoG first, you can make an informed decision about the game and I can predict the outcome today. The vast majority of those playing SoG will lose interest in the game within the first week of playing. Mark my words.
Just in case they delete this off the official forums, here's a post by "FelonyArson", which I agree with:
Sorry guys, I'm laying DnL to rest (very long)
I followed DnL for several of the last months since I first heard about the game from a friend that was accepted to beta at the time. In the months leading up to now I have observed how news and information have panned out and how NP3/AD have handled the community and development of the game.
When a small portion of players began to come to the table with suspicions of things like stealing software, and even the crackpot theories of the game not even existing, I decided to dig a little deeper into the game developers and the company. I always prefer my own research to the opinions of others, so this is what I did.
NP3 (www.npcube.com) is not a game company, they are a software engine development company. They have zero prior experience in publishing a single public product relating to gaming prior to work in Dark and Light. Their website is simple and straighforward and contains very little information on the company, its members, its prior experience, and repertoire. The company is located off the eastern coast of Africa and has fewer than 50 employees. The company was formed in 2002 with a very limited number of employees working off the prior experience of 5 key founding members. These are just the facts. NP3s first project has been Dark and Light and any accomplishments or merit for the company are derived soley from what is contained in this project.
AD, or Alchemic Dream (www.AlchemicDream.net) was formed in 2001 in Canada. AD's services include many varied facets of managing and maintaining various aspects of MMORPGs. Their resume is also limited in scope and includes games mostly unknown to common gamers. AD provides a sort of "contracted" form of services that most development companies provide for themselves. AD would be best utilized to provide services for a company that either does not have the resources, experience, or money to provide for themselves.
Having summarized these two companies in short paragraphs let me get back to how this relates at all to my post or how I feel. Quite simply, I do not have the faith in DnL that the developers are asking of us all with the pre-order process for DnL and how the details surrounding SoG and the Pioneer program are being implimented. I do not expect a company to allow me to play or test their game before I buy it, but I do expect a company to provide me with enough information to feel confident in making this "leap of faith" into paying for a product months in advance that may be delayed, cancelled, or failed in its implimentation.
As I read the forums the number one complaint I hear is "Why should I buy a product I haven't been able to test?" to which most people are replying "Oh, so you've tested every game you've ever purchased or pre-ordered before?". No, many of us have not tested many games before pre-ordering them or purchasing them. However, for those games that I DID pre-order without first testing I had sufficient information and resources to make me confident in the product I was buying. DnL has not instilled this confidence in me. DnL is aware they have a skeptical audience, but rather than attemping to reassure this loyal fanbase they choose to keep them teetering on this narrow fence between information and darkness. I'm afraid, however, that DnL has neither the massive fanbase, nor the prior reputation to play this sort of game with its followers and there are far too many other, more reputable companies with upcoming projects that players can move to.
I have posted very rarely on these forums and have mostly done lurking and reading. I don't come to you as a "whiner" or a "fanboi". I only come to explain why *I* feel I cannot purchase DnL or support its development any further. I hope those of you who continue to follow DnL have your expectations met, as mine surely have not been.
To those of you that are hardcore fans: I ask that you understand the position of the skeptical players. They are only looking after themselves and their money. If they don't feel the same confidence or excitement that you do know that there is no lack of reasoning for this position. I'm sure that even you, a time or two, have had your own doubts.
To those of you that are highly upset, disappointed, or skeptical: Rememeber that there are still people who DO have confidence and hope in DnL and that your disenchantment doesn't have to ruin it for everyone. Maybe you can see the value in what is left. I'm afraid I cannot.
Thanks for reading this and I truly do wish the best for everyone staying with DnL. See you all in the virtual world.
Originally posted by Jorev Personally I think preordering a game is foolish. It allows some game developers to be lazy in regards to polishing a product when you commit to a purchase before release, while forcing others to release an unfinished product before it is truly ready in order to meet a promised deadline. The example of "Mourning" should be enough to dissuade anyone from preordering ever again. Would you preorder a car before seeing the final version? Would you preorder a computer without a guarantee of it's performance? We all know game developers often advertise aspects of games that turn out not to be included in the initial release, so why would you give them your money ahead of time based on the dishonest track record game developers have earned? If a game developer claims to need the capital raised by preorders, then that is a bad omen for both quality and longevity of the game.
Originally posted by Sheista See. The above poster is what I'm talking about. I believe Inferno was the one who was all high and mighty with his position at Stratics.. he loved it. He posted all this information about it and was psyched. Then overnight, he is no longer with Stratics and his ENTIRE view of the game does a 180. Inferno, why are you here? Why are you posting in the forums of a game you no longer support? Why do you feel the need to bash a game that you don't like, when thousands of others still have hope? Please, I'd like a good reason. People like you are the reason I made my other post. I offer the same question to Jackdog. In other words, stop acting like bashing the game is going to have some impact on the community. Anything you guys say negatively toward this game will have absolutely no effect on wether or not I play it or not, so why bother? Just to bitch about nothing? Do you think people actually care that you don't like it? You're not that important, sorry..
you have things a bit ass backward here. Inferno lost his position at Stratics after he lost his love for DnL not the other way around. It is hard to maintain a fansite for a game that is such a obvious rip off,
In answer to your question as to why i hang around bashing the game? Easy, it is not that I really give a crap whether you lose your 60 bucks, it is the fact that I hate to see the NP3 guys get it because as far as I am concerned they have not earned it. I have seen this game on a friends computer and it truly is a piece of crap.
You really think this game looks as good as the so called screenshots? You really think all the fantastic content that they are promising is there? You really think the servers will be stable and customer support will be there? Fine but ask yourself one question why the f*** are they doing everything in their power to get you to pre order before you get a chance to see the game or read an unbiased opinion?
I have to admit that I have almost the same concerns as you, but I still have the hope that a small company with highly motivated employees can make the difference and can deliver a fine product
I'm a software projects manager (ex-developer) in a company who has 140 emplayees. My team has 20 persons and we're writting real-time racing software which is used by several Formula 1 teams, so I know that a small team can match even the highest quality requirements!
Originally posted by Jackdog you have things a bit ass backward here. Inferno lost his position at Stratics after he lost his love for DnL not the other way around. It is hard to maintain a fansite for a game that is such a obvious rip off, In answer to your question as to why i hang around bashing the game? Easy, it is not that I really give a crap whether you lose your 60 bucks, it is the fact that I hate to see the NP3 guys get it because as far as I am concerned they have not earned it. I have seen this game on a friends computer and it truly is a piece of crap. You really think this game looks as good as the so called screenshots? You really think all the fantastic content that they are promising is there? You really think the servers will be stable and customer support will be there? Fine but ask yourself one question why the f*** are they doing everything in their power to get you to pre order before you get a chance to see the game or read an unbiased opinion?
Jackdog has a point, why do they want you to preorder the game with out playing do they really need money that bad.
I sent a PM to a forum mod over at DnL's main page. The response didn't thrill me.
Basicly, I asked why they shut down all the topics that don't fit into their "DnL is infallible" propaganda. Needless to say I didn't get a strait answer. He told me to point out a specific thread when there was like 5 locked threads on the main page he had just finished locking. It is obvious that he didn't want to answer the question, therefore I begin loosing faith by the minute.
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Pre order is one of those things you do in order to make sure you have a nicer start in the relesed version. I think its a great idea. so hell yeah I'm gonna preorder. It will also give you tons of cool stuff that you can only get that way.
Thanx a lot for the info. Seems like I will pre-order it. The price is a bit higher than one would expect, but still well within my budget limit that I spend for entertainment.
Apart from that, I have become quite reluctant about new releases. And the more the game is supposed to offer, the more doubts it generates to me of actually delivering what it promises. On the other hand, I really do not understand why people on these boards rush to call the game a rip-off or generally speak with heated words against it, especially since the release of SoG in a few days, which will allow them to actually see the content for the first time.
Currently playing: * City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant. * City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
On the other hand, I really do not understand why people on these boards rush to call the game a rip-off or generally speak with heated words against it, especially since the release of SoG in a few days, which will allow them to actually see the content for the first time.
You ever think that maybe we have already seen it and are trying to warn you to wait til you have seen it before spending your money ? By all means pre order the game if you think it is worth it but wait til after SoG releases and you know what you are purchasing before doing so.
The whole crafting engine will not be included in the initial version of SoG, so we have to wait at least for several months after the release in order to make any conclusions.
We're actually pre-ordering DnL, not SoG, so we'll have to wait until April 2006 in order to give conclusions about the qiality of the DnL game.
Personally I expect the initiall version of SoG to be very limmited and buggy, but I expect from DnL to be an uber game
I wonder why it is that even with all this new buzz regarding pre-order, NP3 has yet to offer up any new screen shots, movies, or game information about class/race?
I wonder why it is that you cannot play SoG FIRST, then pre-order DnL? (I mean, DnL is still over a 1/2 year away!)
I wonder why it is that no information has been given by NP3 regarding a refund policy, should you not be pleased?
I wonder why people blindly throw cash at stuff they know nothing about?
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Originally posted by )v(ajinBoob I wonder why it is that even with all this new buzz regarding pre-order, NP3 has yet to offer up any new screen shots, movies, or game information about class/race? I wonder why it is that you cannot play SoG FIRST, then pre-order DnL? (I mean, DnL is still over a 1/2 year away!) I wonder why it is that no information has been given by NP3 regarding a refund policy, should you not be pleased? I wonder why people blindly throw cash at stuff they know nothing about?
Its something called free will/faith dude.
Like alot of people i will preorder for sure.
If you don't want to thats simple isn't it? but do shut up
Originally posted by )v(ajinBoob I wonder why people blindly throw cash at stuff they know nothing about?
Being one of those people, since I do not know much about the game, the answer is simply because I can afford to spend an extra $60 for my entertainment and the game seems to have a lot of interesting features. If it doesn't live to its promises, big deal, I'll look for entertainment elsewhere.
The pre-order (more appropriately, it's a Collector's Edition sort of) will also mean that, if I do indeed like this product, my time during SoG won't go wasted as I get to keep any fortune I acquire in-game. Even if they remove it (since it does sound a bit unbalacing for the player economy, although not as problematic as many people make it sound), I still get a neat dragon. :P
Currently playing: * City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant. * City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
I must say I was somewhat enthused about the game for a little while... Until I began to *try* and find more info on the classes, races and so forth. I understand about all of the viewpoints expressed in this topic now.
The only classes I could find even a tidbit of info on are the 'easy' classes(Ranger, Warrior, Sorcerer, Cleric). Quite honestly, everyone already knows what playing one of those 4 classes will be like. Rangers will shoot bows and love nature, warriors will bash stuff with heavy armor and large weapons, sorcerer's will shoot fireballs/iceballs/lighteningballs out of there hands, clerics will help people and hate undead guys.
The classes I want to find info on, are almost impossible to do so. According to my research of the 'Dark Knight' class... He will be able to suck peoples blood... ... thats about it. He'll probably wear large armor and use a sword, but thats just my experience of fantasy characters talking.
Dont get me wrong now... I do not expect some games to release all info before release. Attempting to build hype and getting people excited about what there class-of-choice will be like... But usually this tactic is only used by FPS(In my experience, which admittedly is small). In games you are planning to pay upwards of 10 bucks a month on... I kinda want to know more about my said class, race, skill, etc etc.
Alright, so now I'm still somewhat enthusiastic about playing this game, my care-o-meter took a little dive there, but I'm still going strong... ... Then I started looking at the forums. First I noticed the simple forum template(not saying its good or bad), then I checked the forums(that I could read) and saw that the only real issue brewing is this whole preorder thing. Which makes me believe this locking/deleting of topics to be true... No matter how good the game, there are people who will bash it, even while playing it. Most usually they spell 'the' wrong and dont use paragraphs, but I digress. I also notice that there are no stories about killing folks(PvP) or building/destroying towns, just about climbing mountains and running around, also at how great the landscape is... I understand that maybe people havent gotten to the point to do that stuff yet, but you'd figure there would be even a little bit about killing some guy that looked at you funny.
And obviously there are major problems with this pre-order thing... But I also see the point of it. If this game truely is centered around some sieging aspect, you would want there to already be cities by the time the general populace levels up. By giving some people large sums of money, it allows the non-preorderer's to have something to blow up when they get the correct level.
I still have no idea how this game is going to turn out.. And obviously I'm not a beta tester, and havent played the game at all. This is all just general impressions I have gotten from the info that IS being shown to me. In closing, as of right now I'm not going to preorder, but I am still thinking about playing the game.
P.S. sorry for long post, just voicing my views. Feel free to correct/set me straight on any issues said.
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I find all this whining about how the pioneers will have so much money it will unbalance the game funny. Building, expanding, and maintaining fortresses takes money and THEY CAN BE DESTROYED. Items wear out and have to be repaired and replaced. Pioneer characters will have some money at the end but nothing exceptional.
The PvP over land and fortresses will be intense.
I'll definitely not preorder DnL. In fact, I'll never play DnL when it is released, because it is going to be bad as the night is dark.
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
See. The above poster is what I'm talking about. I believe Inferno was the one who was all high and mighty with his position at Stratics.. he loved it. He posted all this information about it and was psyched. Then overnight, he is no longer with Stratics and his ENTIRE view of the game does a 180.
Inferno, why are you here? Why are you posting in the forums of a game you no longer support? Why do you feel the need to bash a game that you don't like, when thousands of others still have hope?
Please, I'd like a good reason. People like you are the reason I made my other post.
I offer the same question to Jackdog.
In other words, stop acting like bashing the game is going to have some impact on the community. Anything you guys say negatively toward this game will have absolutely no effect on wether or not I play it or not, so why bother? Just to bitch about nothing? Do you think people actually care that you don't like it? You're not that important, sorry..
Hello Deggilator,
According to Laurent Paret (busines development manager of NP Cube) the game will allow digital download using the BitTorrent technology: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/columns/tech_reporter_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000501222
See you there, Antoan
It has nothing to do with being important or not. I know that people like you would prefer to silence all "opposition" and live in their rose-colored dreamworld of DnL fanboiism. I don't care about you, but instead of bitching the way you did (weird that you bitch so much although you don't care anyway about what we say), think about why someone like me would make a 180° turnaround and prefer to bash DnL instead of hyping it, like I did when I was still a supporter of it. Think about the events behind the scenes, that you are unaware of, that made people like 'Naar', a longtime supporter of DnL and popular forum member, quit and abandon DnL. What do you think makes us reconsider our attitude about the game? I've said it often enough: DnL is going to be a failure and I am merely watching its downfall when SOG is released and your whining to NP3/AD and us that "nobody told you" how bad the game would be. Then I can tell you - we told you, but you refused to listen, being the stubborn and blind fanboi that you and others here are. Mourning also had a fanboi-community that hyped the game beyond belief. Their hope was shattered and the brouhaha was felt throughout the MMOG-world when the company behind Mourning ran with the money as was predicted by many, including me. The fact that DnL still has a strict NDA silencing all non-propaganda opinions does not worry you at all? I guess it must be in your nature to happily accept the marketing-hype by AD as faithfully as you do. A healthy opposition to the fanbois and hype generated for DnL is good and may hopefully save a few people from wasting their money. Check out DnL with SoG, but please don't pre-order the game. You'd regret wasting your money. Your kind of unquestioning support for crappy games is what ruined the MMOG market - there's no reason to be proud of that achievement.
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
Dear -Inferno-,
You can be sure that whomever cares about his $60 will not risk to pre-order a non-existing game
but please do not spoil the dreams of others like me, who still have the hope!
Do you remember these fine moments before opening the box and before installing a brand new game
You just have to enjoy that moments and be more optimistic!
Cheers, Antoan
I don't knwo if you read what will be happening in SoG but here goes. There is a level cap yes a level cap, the cap is up to level 50. The money thing is only if your character has money left over in SoG and I seriously doubt it will be in the millions. Oh yeah you might have noticed but everyone will be able to have a dragon, maybe not at launch but at later levels. What can you do with the dragon anyway at level 1. Come on be real by the time you can seriously use it I would have already have one.
Just my 2 cents.
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Don't get me wrong - I'd support pre-ordering a game, if it is worth it. I just think that DnL needs to be tried before you buy it (or not), because there is absolutely no unbiased info that you can use to base your opinion about the game on. What little info there is, has been carefully handpicked by AD to display DnL in a shining light of glory. Any and all criticism is being silenced on the official forums and there is no real game info available, beyond overarching class-descriptions and hype about the landscape. Supporting the purse of NP3 by pre-ordering DnL, is the wrong way to go. It confirms to them and other developers, that they can make money even with bad products, if only they hype the product enough.
It has been said before and I'll say it again - supporting shady business tactics of game developers by buying their hype and (possibly) unfinished products, does not help the MMOG community. DnL is a business first and foremost. AD and NP3 have proven often enough that the community is second-rate when it comes to releasing info in time, sticking to promises, doing dev chats, etc. The price for the pre-order speaks volumes aswell - or have you ever seen a MMOG pre-order for $59.00 (not to mention that they totally ignore their European playerbase by ignoring to post the price in Euro)?! If you play SoG first, you can make an informed decision about the game and I can predict the outcome today. The vast majority of those playing SoG will lose interest in the game within the first week of playing. Mark my words.
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
Just in case they delete this off the official forums, here's a post by "FelonyArson", which I agree with:
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
good post by jorev
I miss DAoC
I have to admit that I have almost the same concerns as you, but I still have the hope that a small company with highly motivated employees can make the difference and can deliver a fine product
I'm a software projects manager (ex-developer) in a company who has 140 emplayees. My team has 20 persons and we're writting real-time racing software which is used by several Formula 1 teams, so I know that a small team can match even the highest quality requirements!
Cheers, Antoan
Jackdog has a point, why do they want you to preorder the game with out playing do they really need money that bad.
I sent a PM to a forum mod over at DnL's main page. The response didn't thrill me.
Basicly, I asked why they shut down all the topics that don't fit into their "DnL is infallible" propaganda. Needless to say I didn't get a strait answer. He told me to point out a specific thread when there was like 5 locked threads on the main page he had just finished locking. It is obvious that he didn't want to answer the question, therefore I begin loosing faith by the minute.
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I miss DAoC
well lots of people like to throw money at something they know little about.
Thanx a lot for the info. Seems like I will pre-order it. The price is a bit higher than one would expect, but still well within my budget limit that I spend for entertainment.
Apart from that, I have become quite reluctant about new releases. And the more the game is supposed to offer, the more doubts it generates to me of actually delivering what it promises. On the other hand, I really do not understand why people on these boards rush to call the game a rip-off or generally speak with heated words against it, especially since the release of SoG in a few days, which will allow them to actually see the content for the first time.
Currently playing:
* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
You ever think that maybe we have already seen it and are trying to warn you to wait til you have seen it before spending your money ? By all means pre order the game if you think it is worth it but wait til after SoG releases and you know what you are purchasing before doing so.
I miss DAoC
The whole crafting engine will not be included in the initial version of SoG, so we have to wait at least for several months after the release in order to make any conclusions.
We're actually pre-ordering DnL, not SoG, so we'll have to wait until April 2006 in order to give conclusions about the qiality of the DnL game.
Personally I expect the initiall version of SoG to be very limmited and buggy, but I expect from DnL to be an uber game
Cheers, Antoan
I wonder why it is that even with all this new buzz regarding pre-order, NP3 has yet to offer up any new screen shots, movies, or game information about class/race?
I wonder why it is that you cannot play SoG FIRST, then pre-order DnL?
(I mean, DnL is still over a 1/2 year away!)
I wonder why it is that no information has been given by NP3 regarding a refund policy, should you not be pleased?
I wonder why people blindly throw cash at stuff they know nothing about?
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Arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still a retard.
Its something called free will/faith dude.
Like alot of people i will preorder for sure.
If you don't want to thats simple isn't it? but do shut up
Being one of those people, since I do not know much about the game, the answer is simply because I can afford to spend an extra $60 for my entertainment and the game seems to have a lot of interesting features. If it doesn't live to its promises, big deal, I'll look for entertainment elsewhere.
The pre-order (more appropriately, it's a Collector's Edition sort of) will also mean that, if I do indeed like this product, my time during SoG won't go wasted as I get to keep any fortune I acquire in-game. Even if they remove it (since it does sound a bit unbalacing for the player economy, although not as problematic as many people make it sound), I still get a neat dragon. :P
Currently playing:
* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
I must say I was somewhat enthused about the game for a little while... Until I began to *try* and find more info on the classes, races and so forth. I understand about all of the viewpoints expressed in this topic now.
The only classes I could find even a tidbit of info on are the 'easy' classes(Ranger, Warrior, Sorcerer, Cleric). Quite honestly, everyone already knows what playing one of those 4 classes will be like. Rangers will shoot bows and love nature, warriors will bash stuff with heavy armor and large weapons, sorcerer's will shoot fireballs/iceballs/lighteningballs out of there hands, clerics will help people and hate undead guys.
The classes I want to find info on, are almost impossible to do so. According to my research of the 'Dark Knight' class... He will be able to suck peoples blood... ... thats about it. He'll probably wear large armor and use a sword, but thats just my experience of fantasy characters talking.
Dont get me wrong now... I do not expect some games to release all info before release. Attempting to build hype and getting people excited about what there class-of-choice will be like... But usually this tactic is only used by FPS(In my experience, which admittedly is small). In games you are planning to pay upwards of 10 bucks a month on... I kinda want to know more about my said class, race, skill, etc etc.
Alright, so now I'm still somewhat enthusiastic about playing this game, my care-o-meter took a little dive there, but I'm still going strong... ... Then I started looking at the forums. First I noticed the simple forum template(not saying its good or bad), then I checked the forums(that I could read) and saw that the only real issue brewing is this whole preorder thing. Which makes me believe this locking/deleting of topics to be true... No matter how good the game, there are people who will bash it, even while playing it. Most usually they spell 'the' wrong and dont use paragraphs, but I digress. I also notice that there are no stories about killing folks(PvP) or building/destroying towns, just about climbing mountains and running around, also at how great the landscape is... I understand that maybe people havent gotten to the point to do that stuff yet, but you'd figure there would be even a little bit about killing some guy that looked at you funny.
And obviously there are major problems with this pre-order thing... But I also see the point of it. If this game truely is centered around some sieging aspect, you would want there to already be cities by the time the general populace levels up. By giving some people large sums of money, it allows the non-preorderer's to have something to blow up when they get the correct level.
I still have no idea how this game is going to turn out.. And obviously I'm not a beta tester, and havent played the game at all. This is all just general impressions I have gotten from the info that IS being shown to me. In closing, as of right now I'm not going to preorder, but I am still thinking about playing the game.
P.S. sorry for long post, just voicing my views. Feel free to correct/set me straight on any issues said.
" in any battle between power and patience, always bet on patience. "