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Jackdog
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Will they release or cancel again? From their track record I have to bet on cancel, if a horse loses every race in three and a half years I would not bet on it suddenly being a winner. From their past history I would guess the cancellation notice will come either today or tomorrow if they are going to.
I miss DAoC
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on a side not i wounder why they charge 59.99 instand 49.99 i mean most game cost 49.99 (not talking about xbox360) im going be really mad if they lower it after release
They have to release on the 8th. Even the fanboys are readyto jump ship.
SoG is a featureless generic game. There are no classes, no weather effects, no griefer controls, no crafting and well nothing. What exactly does SoG have that Pong did not have in the mid 70's. How hard can it be to put togther. All they need to do is take 1/8 of their beta world and add a few ruins.
The real question is why is SoG featureless? Is it because DnL beta also lacks any features or because they are broken? If thats the case SoG makes even more sense. They won't let us play DnL before release as we will probably hate it so they give us the same game in a smaller version where the fanboys can say yes its bad but its not our game and its free. SoG is the perfect stall tactic. It lets the devs keep hiding their game from the public and keeps their hope of a big payday at release without anyone ever seeing their game viable. Essentially it keeps them still in Business. Long live Mourning...err I mean DnL.
Crafting
Taking into consideration the timeline in which you will evolve in SoG, you will have to discover the beginnings of crafting. You will start, for example, by extracting crystals or wood. Crafting will get more and more complex as you discover this art.
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24699
I love it when they say, "You will have to discover crafting." Are you fcukn' blind? Read between the lines. That's a fancy way of saying, "Err, um... we don't really have crafting yet, sooo, YEAH! Youll have to discover it."<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Truth is: SOG is a shell of a "game" if you want to call it that. The developers admit themselves that SoG will contain about 10% of the content that DnL is supposed to have. The law of bullshit dictates that number is probably closer to 5% (10% being an exaggeration).
So, what are you going to do in SoG for 6 (probably more) months until DnL? I'll tell you. You are going to do nothing but sit and chat. It's going to be a glorified fanboi chatroom with a GUI instead of a forum.
There's no crafting. There's no faction. There's no capture the <insert stronghold here>. There's been no info on PvP released besides the standard bullshit about Ranger>Spell caster>Warrior and Healers on the side. Which, btw, name one game that DOESN'T have that exact same PvP hierarchy.
If you want a simpleton game that focuses on PvP and has no monthly subscriptions, play Guild Wars for 6 months.
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i voted yes only because if they do cancel they will be screwed (the fans and the Dev's themselves)
if they do cancel it i really wish they just cancel it all together(the entire Dnl project) because this is getting ridiculous.
i just want this to end, im tired of hearing people speculate on this game...it is time to either put up or shut up..
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I doubt SoG will end the speculation. Rather it will most likely increase it. SoG has no features and will not tell us anything about DnL except increase the speculation that DnL does not have any substance. The fanboys will come out in force defending NP3. They will state that SoG is nothing like DnL and its not fair to judge DnL by SoG. I am afraid this will just intensify the arguments between the fanboys and the realists. Unless SoG unexpectedly shocks us we will not know anything about DnL until either NP3 breaks down and give us some information, NP3 goes out of business, the game is released. or NP3 in an effort to milk more cash puts up another pre-order that allows purchasers into beta. The real shame is there is a large number of people following the game if they had a competent dev team this game could do very well. I said the same thing about Shadowbane and L2. If someone can actually make a decent pvp game it will do very well.
Today is the 3 year anniversary of DnL's first offical release date (due out December 2002). I think its a little late.
I've seen this said, but that is hugely missleading. If they released in 2002 they would have had about 6 months to finish the game, I've never heard of any company working that quick.
They started the project in mid 2002, it will end in mid 2006. For a small team of Devs that sounds about right for something of this scale
First off your comment "Well nothing" is that based on speculation or fact? I think speculation personally. Secondly no classes? Erm forgive me but arent classes i.e fighter/rogue/priest etc? Well as far as i am aware u will be able to pick a class and a race.
As long as i can pve and pvp I am as happy as larry
Secondly no classes? Erm forgive me but arent classes i.e fighter/rogue/priest etc? Well as far as i am aware u will be able to pick a class and a race.
Sorry for the confusion. SoG will have the base classes at lvl 5. Cleric, Sorcerer, Ranger and Warrior but it does not have the lvl 20 classes where you branch into Dark Knight, Palidan, Bard, Theif, Necromancer, etc.
I've seen this said, but that is hugely missleading. If they released in 2002 they would have had about 6 months to finish the game, I've never heard of any company working that quick.
They started the project in mid 2002, it will end in mid 2006. For a small team of Devs that sounds about right for something of this scale
I believe your wrong. I remember reading where the devs aanounced their release for DnL in the late spring or early summer of 2002 as I was playing my 2nd char to hit 50 in Daoc then. Take into account that most developers develop a game for a year or two before ever going public with any announcement that they are developing the game and you probably have 2000 or 2001.
I would not call 4 or 5 years soon to be going on 6 a fast development time. Many game have been announced after DnL's first missed release date and are now much further along in development than DnL. The only games I can think of that have had anywhere near as long a development time as DnL are Shadowbane and Darkfall.
I miss DAoC
Its pretty much do or die with this release of the 8th. They have let down the community quite a few times. A couple days late, might be ok, but weeks, or months, and maaann... lots of mad people......
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lol realists?
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
lol realists?
you will see by this time next week
I miss DAoC
Voted yes
I think it will be delayed by a week or so...
As to what exactly will be in SoG ? Nobody really knows.
The Dev's are promising that features from the ongoing Beta test will be added to SoG as it goes along, so it will more than likely change over time. I'm sure the Dev's will use SoG as a final "proofing" tool for stuff that they have scrubbed in the Beta.
Mostly we are all going into SoG with blind faith, lol
SoG =
Aabout 80% smaller map, no fairy rase, no wanted system, no crafting ( to be added ), no player build structers, no wanted PvP punishment thats the main features missing.
There will be faction, there will be fortress sieges, PvP, Pve, mounts and other stuff
To make conslusion there will be everyting that other games has ( minus crafting in begining ) .
So please tell me what are features in others MMORPGS example: Lineage 2 : grind girnd grind grind 95% of the time and than 5% PvP, castel siege.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
Correct me if I am wrong but i do not believe SoG will have fortress seiges to start.
What SoG lacks are the basic mechanics of any game. It has a chatroom and nothing else. No crafting, no classes and no griefer controls. Without having any classes one would assume that combat skills and spells are not very well developed if it all and nothing is balanced.
Most games go far beyond the basics which SoG lacks of crafting, classes, and griefer controls.
Seeing that your a L2 player you may not be used to any kind of indepth combat. While L2 did some things right such as a long grind its combat was typical of many eastern games as it lacked any interactivity or depth in its combat system. It's combat is essentially turn on autoattack and watch. Not much thought, planning or skill involved.
Most games will have well developed classes, interactive combat and more to do than just look at the world and hope the devs one day get around to making a game. Essentially all that SoG has is a chatroom with an outdated graphical world and a promise that one day you will be able to do more in this chatroom. Putting in classes would be a good start. Developing sklills and spells for these classes might make it closer to a real game. Having people test and balance these classes once they are fleshed out and tweaked would be essential to any pvp game.
Maybe my biggest problem with DnL besides the devs seeming incompetence is the focus on developing the world and leaving everything else out to dry. At least for me but I would think most people would feel the same for a game to be fun the combat has to be good. Leaving that for last as a seeming afterthought spells failure. This is speculation but it is my impression of how they have developed the game and my worst fear about DnL. DnL has one big asset a large fanbase possibly because of the lack of quality pvp games. With such a large and patient fanbase they have had the potential to do something very good. It will be very sad if this game is as bad as it appears. I hope it will not discourage developers from developing pvp games. Many people will dispute the market is there but it is my belief that there are lots of people waiting for a good pvp game rather than the failures we have recently seen in the form of Shadowbane, L2, Irth, Mourning and soon to be DnL.
Correct me if I am wrong but i do not believe SoG will have fortress seiges to start.
You are worng
Dev chats:
Q#38 - Will fortress seiges be included in SoG and how will they affect the history of DnL?
You will be able to siege in SoG. A castle is important since it represents the political influence of the barony, therefore of the county, the duchy and the realm
Q#49 - How is player housing handled in SoG? And DnL?
No individual houses in SoG, only fortresses.
Here is most of SoG info: http://home.earthlink.net/~gandir/SoG_FAQ_v02.htm
If they deliver what they told us about SoG you can see its not some unfinished game there will be more than enough stuff to do. ( even more that in most released MMORPGs )
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
what am i going to see? this is a discussion forum jack,based on opinion and speculation on all sides...there is nothing "real" about it.
so in order for me to be a "realist" i need to agree with you? i don't agree with anybody on this forum that trys to say the game is ganna me like this or the game is going to be like that.
if you want to say this game is going to be a POS for whatever reason that is fine and probably warranted but it is speculation my friend, make no mistake about it....and its not being a "realist" ROFL
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
what am i going to see? this is a discussion forum jack,based on opinion and speculation on all sides...there is nothing "real" about it.
so in order for me to be a "realist" i need to agree with you? i don't agree with anybody on this forum that trys to say the game is ganna me like this or the game is going to be like that.
if you want to say this game is going to be a POS for whatever reason that is fine and probably warranted but it is speculation my friend, make no mistake about it....and its not being a "realist" ROFL
The idea of DnL being bad has gone well beyond mere speculation. All of the evidence about DnL points to a complete failure. The odds at least IMHO of DnL being anything but very bad are extremly low. Many of of us have time and time again posted what we think is evidence that stronly indicates DnL's likelihood for failure. Many of us have follwed DnL for a very long time and whether we like it or not have sadly come to the conclusion that the game will be very bad. I would call people like this realists in contrast to the fanboys who ignore all the available evidence and rely on pure faith alone. Looking at evidence even if it contradicts with our personal desires or hopes is the distinction between realist and fanboy. Although, again I doubt there are any of us realists here that hope we are right as we are all of fans of DnL and MMORPGs. Here is hoping that I am wrong and the DnL's devs are just extremely stupid in not letting anyone see their great product rather than the more likely scenario that they are just extremely incompetent.
but in fact there is no evidence, no matter how strongly you feel about your opinion it is still nothing more than an opinion.
what you think is evidence? strongly indicates Dnl's likelihood of failure? that is not evidence that is speculation.
hell....i was just as sure o.j simpson was going to be guilty of murder before he was indited....
don't get me wrong i think this game is deep sh*t ATM and am by no means a "fanboy" but god i love playing devils advocate
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Ultimately we all have to wait until the 8th to see how to game is, how the fanbois will defend it and how the trolls will attack it and most importantly, how the general public will react to the game.
Frankly, for all we know, they'll open up the SoG servers on the 8th, but not open the login servers for a few months after that. Or maybe players will only be allowed to play for 3 hours a week from 3-6 AM EST and everything else will be used for server maintenance. Or maybe the game will be so mind-blowing that people will start a new religion called NP3ism led my a mass suicide when DnL gets cancelled.
Just gotta wait a few more days to see.
but in fact there is no evidence, no matter how strongly you feel about your opinion it is still nothing more than an opinion.
what you think is evidence? strongly indicates Dnl's likelihood of failure? that is not evidence that is speculation.
hell....i was just as sure o.j simpson was going to be guilty of murder before he was indited....
don't get me wrong i think this game is deep sh*t ATM and am by no means a "fanboy" but god i love playing devils advocate
Without going into a longer discussion than necessary. I think youre a bit confused on the definition of the word evidence. Everything we see, hear and know is evidence. I think what you meant to say is that evidence can interpreted differently and you disagree with my interpretation of the evidence. You are saying that I am speculating as to the meaning of the evidence that we have and I am saying it has gone much beyond speculation. That the available evidence we have is quite clear almost to a certainty that DnL will be very bad. I hope that clears up the confusion.