SoG is a shell of DnL because it's free. If they put all or most of the features of DnL in SoG, then it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to even bother with SoG at all. If SoG sucks the average person, including the most rabid of fanbois, will assume that DnL is going to blow too. You disgruntled fanbois need to relax or at least come up with a logical and coherent mantra. You contradict yourselves every time you say the game is horrible and the devs don't want us to see it. They are doing the exact opposite by letting people play a free scaled down version of the game. They're taking a huge risk and showing unbelievable confidence that players will enjoy SoG and not only stick around for DnL but pay for it as well. You say they're backed into a corner and need to buy themselves time that's why their releasing SoG. Really? How do you know this? Why all of a sudden are they now so desperate? What about a year ago or two years ago? They weren't desperate then?? I love that you also overlook the obvious contradiction that if they were so behind schedule and desperate for money, then why would they release a free version of the game and pay for the server space and bandwidth?? They would also be wasting money paying their GMs and tech people to provide support for the game, not to mention diverting some of their resources from the development of DnL. What will their anrgy investors say about all this when they find out!!!?? Man I bet they will be pissed!!. At least after the 8th you morons can start bashing the game based on the actual gameplay. Because we all know each and every one of you either preordered or will sign up for a free account on Thursday. See you idiots in game!
Originally posted by Zippy Originally posted by angerrOriginally posted by ZippyOriginally posted by angerrOriginally posted by Jackdog Originally posted by angerr I am afraid this will just intensify the arguments between the fanboys and the realists. lol realists? you will see by this time next week what am i going to see? this is a discussion forum jack,based on opinion and speculation on all sides...there is nothing "real" about it.so in order for me to be a "realist" i need to agree with you? i don't agree with anybody on this forum that trys to say the game is ganna me like this or the game is going to be like that.if you want to say this game is going to be a POS for whatever reason that is fine and probably warranted but it is speculation my friend, make no mistake about it....and its not being a "realist" ROFL The idea of DnL being bad has gone well beyond mere speculation. All of the evidence about DnL points to a complete failure. The odds at least IMHO of DnL being anything but very bad are extremly low. Many of of us have time and time again posted what we think is evidence that stronly indicates DnL's likelihood for failure. Many of us have follwed DnL for a very long time and whether we like it or not have sadly come to the conclusion that the game will be very bad. I would call people like this realists in contrast to the fanboys who ignore all the available evidence and rely on pure faith alone. Looking at evidence even if it contradicts with our personal desires or hopes is the distinction between realist and fanboy. Although, again I doubt there are any of us realists here that hope we are right as we are all of fans of DnL and MMORPGs. Here is hoping that I am wrong and the DnL's devs are just extremely stupid in not letting anyone see their great product rather than the more likely scenario that they are just extremely incompetent.but in fact there is no evidence, no matter how strongly you feel about your opinion it is still nothing more than an opinion.Many of of us have time and time again posted what we think is evidence that stronly indicates DnL's likelihood for failurewhat you think is evidence? strongly indicates Dnl's likelihood of failure? that is not evidence that is speculation. hell....i was just as sure o.j simpson was going to be guilty of murder before he was indited.... don't get me wrong i think this game is deep sh*t ATM and am by no means a "fanboy" but god i love playing devils advocate
Without going into a longer discussion than necessary. I think youre a bit confused on the definition of the word evidence. Everything we see, hear and know is evidence. I think what you meant to say is that evidence can interpreted differently and you disagree with my interpretation of the evidence. You are saying that I am speculating as to the meaning of the evidence that we have and I am saying it has gone much beyond speculation. . I hope that clears up the confusion.
Lol, the whole point i was trying to make is this we are not 100% sure what is going to happen when sog and Dnl are release (if released at all)
you are saying "it has gone much beyond speculation" and "That the available evidence we have is quite clear almost to a certainty that DnL will be very bad"
witch one is it? is it beyond speculation witch = fact? or are we almost certain?
BTW i am not trying to turn this into a huge argument or flame war
Originally posted by Zippy Originally posted by angerr Originally posted by Jackdog Originally posted by angerr I am afraid this will just intensify the arguments between the fanboys and the realists. lol realists? you will see by this time next week what am i going to see? this is a discussion forum jack,based on opinion and speculation on all sides...there is nothing "real" about it.so in order for me to be a "realist" i need to agree with you? i don't agree with anybody on this forum that trys to say the game is ganna me like this or the game is going to be like that.if you want to say this game is going to be a POS for whatever reason that is fine and probably warranted but it is speculation my friend, make no mistake about it....and its not being a "realist" ROFL The idea of DnL being bad has gone well beyond mere speculation. All of the evidence about DnL points to a complete failure. The odds at least IMHO of DnL being anything but very bad are extremly low. Many of of us have time and time again posted what we think is evidence that stronly indicates DnL's likelihood for failure. Many of us have follwed DnL for a very long time and whether we like it or not have sadly come to the conclusion that the game will be very bad. I would call people like this realists in contrast to the fanboys who ignore all the available evidence and rely on pure faith alone. Looking at evidence even if it contradicts with our personal desires or hopes is the distinction between realist and fanboy. Although, again I doubt there are any of us realists here that hope we are right as we are all of fans of DnL and MMORPGs. Here is hoping that I am wrong and the DnL's devs are just extremely stupid in not letting anyone see their great product rather than the more likely scenario that they are just extremely incompetent.
but in fact there is no evidence, no matter how strongly you feel about your opinion it is still nothing more than an opinion.
Many of of us have time and time again posted what we think is evidence that stronly indicates DnL's likelihood for failure
what you think is evidence? strongly indicates Dnl's likelihood of failure? that is not evidence that is speculation. hell....i was just as sure o.j simpson was going to be guilty of murder before he was indited.... don't get me wrong i think this game is deep sh*t ATM and am by no means a "fanboy" but god i love playing devils advocate
Without going into a longer discussion than necessary. I think youre a bit confused on the definition of the word evidence. Everything we see, hear and know is evidence. I think what you meant to say is that evidence can interpreted differently and you disagree with my interpretation of the evidence. You are saying that I am speculating as to the meaning of the evidence that we have and I am saying it has gone much beyond speculation. . I hope that clears up the confusion.
Lol, the whole point i was trying to make is this we are not 100% sure what is going to happen when sog and Dnl are release (if released at all)
you are saying "it has gone much beyond speculation" and "That the available evidence we have is quite clear almost to a certainty that DnL will be very bad"
witch one is it? is it beyond speculation witch = fact? or are we almost certain?
BTW i am not trying to turn this into a huge argument or flame war
I don't believe those comments are mutually exclusive. I am stating both. I like your posts. Most importantly I like the way you post as you keep it nice. Even though we have disagreed about the meaning of a few words I think we have for the most part both interpreted the evidence similarily and have both reached the same conclusion as to what we believe is the current state of the game. At least that is true if I am reading your other posts correctly where you have stated thet you think DnL is going to be a poor game. BTW is your avatar from "Up in Smoke."
yeah, i don't have alot of faith in this game but like i said in my previous post like to play devils advocate. i just don't think it is a done deal that this game is going to flop, but its not looking real good right now to say the least.
edit:" BTW is your avatar from "Up in Smoke." my avatar? or sig? my avatar is a picture i snagged off of a website a long time ago.
Regarding release date of SoG at 08Dec, personaly Iam 99% that they will not postpone it. I know they postpone a release dates may times but If you whats closely they postopne dates when they said release date is in April 05 than in November 05 and for SoG they put it exactly 08 Dec.
There is more chance that they will postpone DnL release date April 06 it best case will be May 06
p.s. I belive in game a also bought pioneers acount and few more days we will see.
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SoG is a shell of DnL because it's free. If they put all or most of the features of DnL in SoG, then it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to even bother with SoG at all. If SoG sucks the average person, including the most rabid of fanbois, will assume that DnL is going to blow too.
You disgruntled fanbois need to relax or at least come up with a logical and coherent mantra.
You contradict yourselves every time you say the game is horrible and the devs don't want us to see it. They are doing the exact opposite by letting people play a free scaled down version of the game. They're taking a huge risk and showing unbelievable confidence that players will enjoy SoG and not only stick around for DnL but pay for it as well.
You say they're backed into a corner and need to buy themselves time that's why their releasing SoG. Really? How do you know this? Why all of a sudden are they now so desperate? What about a year ago or two years ago? They weren't desperate then??
I love that you also overlook the obvious contradiction that if they were so behind schedule and desperate for money, then why would they release a free version of the game and pay for the server space and bandwidth?? They would also be wasting money paying their GMs and tech people to provide support for the game, not to mention diverting some of their resources from the development of DnL. What will their anrgy investors say about all this when they find out!!!?? Man I bet they will be pissed!!.
At least after the 8th you morons can start bashing the game based on the actual gameplay. Because we all know each and every one of you either preordered or will sign up for a free account on Thursday. See you idiots in game!
Lol, the whole point i was trying to make is this we are not 100% sure what is going to happen when sog and Dnl are release (if released at all)
you are saying "it has gone much beyond speculation" and "That the available evidence we have is quite clear almost to a certainty that DnL will be very bad"
witch one is it? is it beyond speculation witch = fact? or are we almost certain?
BTW i am not trying to turn this into a huge argument or flame war
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Lol, the whole point i was trying to make is this we are not 100% sure what is going to happen when sog and Dnl are release (if released at all)
you are saying "it has gone much beyond speculation" and "That the available evidence we have is quite clear almost to a certainty that DnL will be very bad"
witch one is it? is it beyond speculation witch = fact? or are we almost certain?
BTW i am not trying to turn this into a huge argument or flame war
I don't believe those comments are mutually exclusive. I am stating both. I like your posts. Most importantly I like the way you post as you keep it nice. Even though we have disagreed about the meaning of a few words I think we have for the most part both interpreted the evidence similarily and have both reached the same conclusion as to what we believe is the current state of the game. At least that is true if I am reading your other posts correctly where you have stated thet you think DnL is going to be a poor game. BTW is your avatar from "Up in Smoke."
yeah, i don't have alot of faith in this game but like i said in my previous post like to play devils advocate. i just don't think it is a done deal that this game is going to flop, but its not looking real good right now to say the least.
edit:" BTW is your avatar from "Up in Smoke." my avatar? or sig? my avatar is a picture i snagged off of a website a long time ago.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Regarding release date of SoG at 08Dec, personaly Iam 99% that they will not postpone it.
I know they postpone a release dates may times but If you whats closely they postopne dates when they said release date is in April 05 than in November 05 and for SoG they put it exactly 08 Dec.
There is more chance that they will postpone DnL release date April 06 it best case will be May 06
p.s. I belive in game a also bought pioneers acount and few more days we will see.
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