You hammered me because the link I provided is an Executive of LucasArts and not the DEVs. Well, guess what? The execs at Lucasarts holds the riegns to the production and distribution of this game. So, basically, what they mentioned holds more of an impact than if a DEV mentioned it. Also, about 2 weeks after this interview was posted, Kevin O'Hara talked with IGN and said the same exact thing.
You're not going to win this debate, my friend. The numbers prove it. Like th epost before this one said, log on....check out the Star Wars Galaxies Forums and read it for yourself. I'm not deceiving anyone. The server stats speaks for themeselves
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
You hammered me because the link I provided is an Executive of LucasArts and not the DEVs. Well, guess what?
1. You said the SWG game DEVs claimed in the month of July that SWG had over 300,000 accounts.
2. I told you to post proof.
3. You posted the link to that article. I read it, then posted that not a single SWG game DEV was listed in that article, nor quoted in that article.
4. ALSO that article was dated the END of August ! Last time I checked, August is not the same month as July - not in any language.
The execs at Lucasarts holds the riegns to the production and distribution of this game.
SONY and LucasArts are partners in the production of SWG, and distribution of SWG. Partners work hand in hand. One doesn't do all the work while the other collects money.
So, basically, what they mentioned holds more of an impact than if a DEV mentioned it.
What is this now? You seem to have a very short term memory. No... no... 'basically' you earlier said it was the SWG game DEVs who stated in July that SWG has 300,000 accounts.
Now you want to ignore what you earlier said? Now you want to pretend you never said that? You earlier made no mention at all about what the LucasArts Execs said - until I recently made you dig up any possible proof.
Also, about 2 weeks after this interview was posted, Kevin O'Hara talked with IGN and said the same exact thing.
Now this is a NEW statement by you. Also '2 weeks after' would be placing us in the month of September.
You originally said it was in July that the SWG game DEVs stated they had 300,000 accounts. Thus, you yourself are now digging a deeper hole with this new statement of yours.
You're not going to win this debate, my friend. The numbers prove it. Like th epost before this one said, log on....check out the Star Wars Galaxies Forums and read it for yourself. I'm not deceiving anyone. The server stats speaks for themeselves
1. I am talking to you about your posts. And the FALSE information you posted on purpose.
2. Not about anyone elses posts. They can speak for theirselves about their posts.
3. This was never a debate. This was me making sure you posted true information. It has been revealed, and even admitted by you, that you posted FALSE information.
Xplororor, you are the one who began ridiculing me with your calculator bit, and you're the one who has not shown any facts. I clearly stated what my position is and my facts by doing some simple math. I was wrong about the server count, but my numbers stood up in my reply to you. And yes, I have played the game in the last month, I wanted to check it out after a two month break.
You now finally admit you FALSLY stated how many servers SWG has - after I made sure to call you out. *Mission accomplished*
You new say your math is still correct, even though you had on purpose untruthfully stated how many servers SWG has?
You lie again when you say I have not shown any facts. I not only corrected your FALSE information on how many servers SWG has, I went further and listed the names of every single server SWG has.
I will let the hundreds to thousands of lurkers decide for theirselves what to think of this. No need for me to comment on the fact that math is a precise practice. Every information involved must be correct, in order for the result to be correct.
I also browsed the forums while I had my account open, which runs out at the 10th of this month. Everyone there is saying how empty the cities and servers are. Go and read for yourself. You then begin belittling the other responders in this thread. It seems like you just want to start flame wars.
What name do you post under at the Official SWG forums so I can look you up?
How come you still will not list what your ingame character name is? What server you played on? What PA's you may have belonged to? Some screenshots would be nice too.
I have belittled no one. I do have zero tolerance for liars, and those who spread false information.
/deepbow
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty)
"I've seen the top of the mountain, and it is good".
I find it very intresting you eagerly post your character information for another game, Horizons.
(Which I have now learned is doing far, far, far, worse than SWG. It is second only to AC2 as the MMORPG with the worse ever game launch - IF your own fellow posters at this site are to be believed.)
Yes I admit that my statement about the number of servers was incorrect as I could not remember how many actual servers there were, and I didn't bother to look it up. But you are focusing on the insignificant. I rethought the math for the correct number of servers after your post, and my math (indicating the actual number of subscribers) was still close to my original number.
I don't lie. Your blanket accusations about everyone spreading false imformation are disturbing to say the least. You know there is a gray area in life, don't you? I may have incorrectly stated the number of servers because I was too lazy to get the actual numbers. Tonight, as it turns out, am not.
My char was Makane Ares on Lowca server. Here are 3 screenshots of my char:
Here's a screenshot of the version number, just in case you argue that I haven't played SWG in months. Truth is I canceled my account in October, and in December I renewed my account to see how it was going.
Those screenshots were taken tonight during primetime U.S., about 8:30 CST. Now, I recalculated the math based on the server pops in that screenshot. Provided, the server pops don't show all subscribed to the game, but it's a good indication. If LOW = 3000, MED = 6000, HEAVY = 9000, then one would stand to believe there are ABOUT 138,000 subscribers. A little higher than my original ESTIMATE, but definitely not 300,000. Who is the one spreading false information? Hmm, not me. I never said that my original numbers were fact, it was a rough estimate.
I'm also not going to defend Horizons. Yeah, it has it's problems, and has a much lower subscriber base than most MMORPGs. But I have fun playing it. And if you have fun playing SWG, then more power to ya. I hope it goes well for you. Why the hell are you talking about Horizons in the first place? Didn't you belittle some other poster that this was an SWG only forum when he mentioned KOTOR? He wasn't lieing when he said that KOTOR was fun. Why did you do that, and why do you seem intent on talking to people as if they were children?
I hope this clears up some of the confusion...
/deepbow
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Originally posted by Makane Ok, here goes... Those screenshots were taken tonight during primetime U.S., about 8:30 CST. Now, I recalculated the math based on the server pops in that screenshot. Provided, the server pops don't show all subscribed to the game, but it's a good indication. If LOW = 3000, MED = 6000, HEAVY = 9000, then one would stand to believe there are ABOUT 138,000 subscribers. A little higher than my original ESTIMATE, but definitely not 300,000. Who is the one spreading false information? Hmm, not me. I never said that my original numbers were fact, it was a rough estimate. MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Yup, that's what many of us are trying to say. The server numbers just dont add up to 300,000 members, period.
And let's say the DEVs weren't lying (hard to believe but let's try). Then, they essentially over subscribed and basically had more players than a server can allow. So basically, over 50% of the subscribers cant play if they wanted to (if everyone wanted to log on).
Pretty whacked huh
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Just to point it out, but.. not everyone IS going to be on at the same time.
Wondering why a game would have more subscribers than it could handle is kinda like wondering why banks don't hold enough money at all times to pay us all 100% of what we deposit with them.
Originally posted by Negative71 Just to point it out, but.. not everyone IS going to be on at the same time. Wondering why a game would have more subscribers than it could handle is kinda like wondering why banks don't hold enough money at all times to pay us all 100% of what we deposit with them.
not exactly true
Banks are designed to have enough money to pay every single bankee up to 100,000 per person if something were to happen, then the Federal Reserves has enough money in Fort Knox to cover a good portion of what was lost
Saw an episode on History Channel of Fort Knox as they prepared for the Y2K bug. They had 300 Billion in reserves in case the banks ran dry.
If Banks were to only have 50% of the funds available, that would be considered a scandel; i.e., the Savings and Loan Scandel in 1987.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Why THANK YOU for nitpicking a post JUST after I got done chewing out people on another forum for just the same kind of thing. Instead of getting a point, you.. just like every other keyboard commando out there.. have to go and find some little tidbit to dodge the point and make yourself feel superior for having done so.
And people wonder why I keep all this ammo laying around.. *rolls eyes*
Negative, I know that. This is why I said my numbers were estimates because, truth be told, no one can calculate the exact numbers without all of the data. I was making an educated guess. xplororor is simply believing what the devs stated without providing real proof.
I see where you are coming from on the banks statement, but I think they are completely different. I have never read anywhere that SWG servers hold more accounts than can be online when at max capacity. Could you provide a link? And from what xplororor is saying, there would have to be double the number of subscribers as there are people playing most of the time. Why would people subscribe and not play?
Do you still play SWG? If so, how could you believe that there are 300k subscribers? Most cities are empty on most servers, many people have quit. Something is not right about the published numbers, that were NOT published in October, xplororor. Here's some links and my comments:
An interview with Lucasarts in November at Homelanfed.com, notice they asked how many subscribers and the Lucasarts guy said they have had over 300k GAME KEYS ACTIVATED...not subscribers.
An official Lucasarts news release at Gamespot announcing 275,000 Registered Users in AUGUST. And we know it all went downhill from there. So, if they did announce in October that there were 300,000 subscribers, which I have not been able to find anywhere, then they were lieing, or SOE were feeding them a load of BS. Either way, there cannot be 300,000 people still playing that trainwreck.
/deepbow
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Yes, I still play the game. As for what I believe.. when I saw SOE's PR B.S., I chuckled. I can believe that there's 300,000+ units sold, maybe that even 300,000+ of those buyers activated an account and tried it through their "free" (coughB.S.cough) month. But are there 300k paying users now? I doubt it. Hell, my checking account counts for like 8 of those, if you consider my girlfriend's accounts, my own extra account, and the friends we're helping out to continue playing the game.
My gross, uneducated guess.. based on nothing but the fact that I play on 8 different servers and gut intuition, (so you number-hounds don't get your undies in a knot thinking I speak from some official source.. because frankly I'm getting sick of your badgering back and forth for links and stats and all that nonsense) I'd say there are probably between 50k and 100k paid accounts still going.. many of them from users with multiple accounts. Yes, a wide gap between min and max.. but.. it is a significant difference from 300k that you guys are spouting off about.
Originally posted by Negative71 Why THANK YOU for nitpicking a post JUST after I got done chewing out people on another forum for just the same kind of thing. Instead of getting a point, you.. just like every other keyboard commando out there.. have to go and find some little tidbit to dodge the point and make yourself feel superior for having done so. And people wonder why I keep all this ammo laying around.. *rolls eyes*
lol, dont get so upset over a forum.....it's gonna be ok
Thanks Negative. I appreciate your opinion. I also agree with your estimate, and your feelings about SOE. I too had multiple accounts (3 actually) for the whole time I played.
Also, I would like to apologize to xplororor and everyone reading this thread for the name-calling. It was inappropriate. But I also think that xplororor enjoys irritating people and calling them liars when they don't agree with his opinion, as he has done on other threads here. IMO
This thread needs to get back on topic...
/deepbow
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Originally posted by Negative71 Why THANK YOU for nitpicking a post JUST after I got done chewing out people on another forum for just the same kind of thing. Instead of getting a point, you.. just like every other keyboard commando out there.. have to go and find some little tidbit to dodge the point and make yourself feel superior for having done so. And people wonder why I keep all this ammo laying around.. *rolls eyes*
lol, dont get so upset over a forum.....it's gonna be ok
Get bent, kiddo. Just because I can express my thoughts clearly and decisively, and also have a brutal sense of humor, doesn't mean that things said in a forum "upset" me. Maybe after you've been online a few more years, you'll understand how meaningless it really is.
Originally posted by Negative71 Why THANK YOU for nitpicking a post JUST after I got done chewing out people on another forum for just the same kind of thing. Instead of getting a point, you.. just like every other keyboard commando out there.. have to go and find some little tidbit to dodge the point and make yourself feel superior for having done so. And people wonder why I keep all this ammo laying around.. *rolls eyes*
lol, dont get so upset over a forum.....it's gonna be ok
Get bent, kiddo. Just because I can express my thoughts clearly and decisively, and also have a brutal sense of humor, doesn't mean that things said in a forum "upset" me. Maybe after you've been online a few more years, you'll understand how meaningless it really is.
Ive been online since 1991. So i think 13 or so years is pretty good. Also, me being 29 probably wont classify myself as kiddo (unless you're like 60)
Don't get so bent out of shape on the forums....that's just ammunition for other people. Remember, they're just forums...nothing here should be taken seriously. If people get upset or unnerved about what people type on the forums just isn't constructive.
Yes I admit that my statement about the number of servers was incorrect
Unbelieveable! Now.... what if all along I had originally decided to NOT post and NOT correct this False information? Many lurkers here would have fell for it.
as I could not remember how many actual servers there were, and I didn't bother to look it up. But you are focusing on the insignificant.
LOL! Insignifigant? You didn't do your 'homework' before spewing information on a major game at a major gamesite. Information that turned out to be false - only after you got called out.
What you really are saying here is "Dang! I got caught! OK I'll finally admit it. Now let's forget allll about it! "
I rethought the math for the correct number of servers after your post, and my math (indicating the actual number of subscribers) was still close to my original number.
I don't lie. Your blanket accusations about everyone spreading false imformation are disturbing to say the least.
And... you lie yet again. I never made any blanket accusations. I make posts specifically targeting specific posters. I name names. I make abosolutly sure to quote the name of the person I am quoting, and the name of the person I claim is spreading false information.
No where have I ever said something like "All of you posting bad things about SWG you are all lying! You are all spreading false information!"
You know there is a gray area in life, don't you? I may have incorrectly stated the number of servers because I was too lazy to get the actual numbers. Tonight, as it turns out, am not.
When one says a major MMORPG sucks, is horrible, when one spews such intense hate, and anger at a major MMORPG, and then uses the excuse 'Oh I was just too lazy to post TRUE information" that says it all right there.
My char was Makane Ares on Lowca server. Here are 3 screenshots of my char:
Here's a screenshot of the version number, just in case you argue that I haven't played SWG in months. Truth is I canceled my account in October, and in December I renewed my account to see how it was going.
It took until the 6th page for you to finally stop ignoring the repeated calls for you to post ingame screenshots, and the name of your character, and the name of the server you play on? *sigh* better late than never I guess.
I'll finally applaude you for finally making the effort to finally add some real weight to your posts - finally!
Those screenshots were taken tonight during primetime U.S., about 8:30 CST.
SWG is a worldwide MMORPG. There is no "primetime". Also there is no prime time USA either. Last, you don't even mention what day of the week those servershots were taken. Sunday day around 9am to 12noon Eastern Standard Time..... would be the closest one could be to getting an idea of what game primetime is. Since in almost every country in the world it is either the start, or end, of the weekend.
Now, I recalculated the math based on the server pops in that screenshot. Provided, the server pops don't show all subscribed to the game, but it's a good indication. If LOW = 3000, MED = 6000, HEAVY = 9000, then one would stand to believe there are ABOUT 138,000 subscribers. A little higher than my original ESTIMATE, but definitely not 300,000. Who is the one spreading false information? Hmm, not me. I never said that my original numbers were fact, it was a rough estimate.
Dude, you are at the 50 yard line while all the action is at the 5yrd line... you are sooo missing the point. SWG has roughly 300,000 accounts. The amount of players playing online means nothing. There could be 1 player playing online - as long as the game has 300k accounts, SONY and LucasArts are making money off 300k accounts.
Also 130k players playing online at the same time is absolutly dandy! It works out perfectly!
I'm also not going to defend Horizons. Yeah, it has it's problems, and has a much lower subscriber base than most MMORPGs. But I have fun playing it. And if you have fun playing SWG, then more power to ya. I hope it goes well for you.
You know what? At this quote of yours, is where you and I should end our posts to each other. It is something I am 1 million perecent in agreement with you. And you also seem 1 million percent in agreement with me.
Why the hell are you talking about Horizons in the first place?
I mentioned Horizions because:
1. To 'trick' you into posting information about your SWG character heheh.
Since in your sig you kept posting information about your Horizions character.
2. Everything you could/can say in defense about the failing/fledgling MMORPG Horizions, can easily be used to defend SWG. Sooo.... it's an easy case of using your words against your words.
3. To better get you to have a better understanding of what SWG is going through by getting you to see SWG from your happy view of Horizions.
Didn't you belittle some other poster that this was an SWG only forum when he mentioned KOTOR? He wasn't lieing when he said that KOTOR was fun. Why did you do that,
I actually went even further than what you said I did.
I also mentioned I am a full fan of KOTOR. But KOTOR is a RPG, not a MMORPG and thus cannot be in any way, shape, or form, compared to SWG. Let alone mentioned on this forum. I told him to take KOTOR to a RPG forum, and to a KOTOR forum.
and why do you seem intent on talking to people as if they were children?
If I sometimes come across that way it is not on purpose. Possibly the result of my faith in people at times going far down.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion...
/deepbow
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Yes it very much does. And I seriously want to applaude you again (even though it took you until the 6th page) for finally stepping up and fearlessly posting your SWG character info, etc....
I may even check out Horizions since you say there is some fun in it, regardless of what most of the posters at this site say.
Originally posted by Makane Ok, here goes... Those screenshots were taken tonight during primetime U.S., about 8:30 CST. Now, I recalculated the math based on the server pops in that screenshot. Provided, the server pops don't show all subscribed to the game, but it's a good indication. If LOW = 3000, MED = 6000, HEAVY = 9000, then one would stand to believe there are ABOUT 138,000 subscribers. A little higher than my original ESTIMATE, but definitely not 300,000. Who is the one spreading false information? Hmm, not me. I never said that my original numbers were fact, it was a rough estimate. MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Yup, that's what many of us are trying to say. The server numbers just dont add up to 300,000 members, period.
*sigh* and *sigh* again........
Here we go one more time......
1. SWG has over 300,000 accounts.
2. Each server can hold a maximum of 24,000 accounts.
3. Each server can allow a maximum of 12,000 players playing online at the same time.
4. SWG has never ever said, nor claimed that all 300,000 accounts have ever been played online at the exact same time. Neither have I ever claimed, or said this.
5. You will NEVER see all the server numbers add up to 300,000 LOL! Even though there are over 300,000 accounts. All the server numbers show are how many players are currently online playing at the same time.
This goes for every single other MMORPG out. Even EQ which has over 400,000 accounts will never have all 400k accounts playing online at the same time.
And let's say the DEVs weren't lying (hard to believe but let's try). Then, they essentially over subscribed and basically had more players than a server can allow. So basically, over 50% of the subscribers cant play if they wanted to (if everyone wanted to log on).
You are correct. Each server can hold and store 24,000 accounts. Only 12,000 accounts maximum can be played online at the same time on each server. The SWG game DEVs have NEVER lied about this. They have posted exactly what I have said word by word on the old SWG forums.
And yes, if every single account being stored on a server was to be tried and played at the exact same time, not everyone would be able to log in. Yes roughly 50% of the 24,000 accounts would be able to be loged into and played.
Pretty whacked huh
No not 'whacked' at all. It is called smart buisness.
1. A MMORPG is a world wide game. As players log off to go to sleep or work, other players are waking up or arriving home from work. Theoretically the numbers of online players will roughly stay the same.
2. A server can hold 24,000 accounts. Only 12,000 accounts can be used at the same time. While 12, 000 players are online.... the other 12,000 players are asleep, or at work, or living their life. (Taking the kids out, going to a movie, taking the girlfriend out, taking the wife out, visiting friends, relatives, family, and even doing other hobbies like mountain climbing, biking, and even playing other games instead of SWG like Counter Strike , KOTOR , etc... etc....
This is the best case scenario. If SONY is smart, they will err on the conservative side. They will make it possilbe for 12k players to be online at the same time........ even if their marketing shows on avarage 8k players are normally online at the same time.
Also, the first day SWG was out, it was unplayable because a unique thing happened:
- Most people took vacation from their jobs. Or cut school, or far, far, ahead of time, planned to be free the day SWG released. Thus virtually all 24,000 accounts were trying to get online at the same time - even though each server can only allow 12,000 players online at the same time.
- For the entire first 2 months SWG was out, this still kept happening, but not as often. It even happened to me a few times. Log off, and be unable to log back in 5 mins later because the server is fulled up.
Originally posted by Negative71 Just to point it out, but.. not everyone IS going to be on at the same time. Wondering why a game would have more subscribers than it could handle is kinda like wondering why banks don't hold enough money at all times to pay us all 100% of what we deposit with them.
not exactly true
Banks are designed to have enough money to pay every single bankee up to 100,000 per person if something were to happen, then the Federal Reserves has enough money in Fort Knox to cover a good portion of what was lost
Saw an episode on History Channel of Fort Knox as they prepared for the Y2K bug. They had 300 Billion in reserves in case the banks ran dry.
If Banks were to only have 50% of the funds available, that would be considered a scandel; i.e., the Savings and Loan Scandel in 1987.
His illustration about banks is on the right track.
1. BTW, banks do NOT have enough cash on hand to cover every single customer if they decide to make a withdrawl of $100,000.oo or less.
2. In the event of an economic dissaster, all banks would be immediatly closed by the goverment if everyone made a mad dash to take out all their cash - even if it were less than 100g's. Proof?
This happend during the Great Depression in America when all banks were closed by the goverment.
3. The Savings and Loan Scandel was the result of bad investments, improper investments, and even semi-legal investments. All done on purpose.
Banks make money by investing the money that is deposited in them. If they make bad investments the bank goes belly up. The CEO's, and Executives in the S&L industry on purpose invested billions into either their own personal companies, or friend's companies. The buinesses would declare bankruptcy. Be unable to pay the bank. The bank goes belly up - unless bailed out by the Federal Goverment ( all accounts are insured up to 100grand.). The goverment then replaces the 'lost' money with more money from the taxpayers. (Where do you think new money comes from? heheh......)
Meanwhile the CEO's, the Exec's, and their friends pocket the 'lost money' from the 'bad investments' and get away with robbery. All money over 100 grand they simply blatantly took.
4. In hardcore realtiy, money really does 'grow on trees'. American money is backed by blind faith. Proof?
The Euro is worth MORE than the American Dollar. (It's the main reason Germany and France can easily get away with telling Bush to go [bleep] himself.).
The Pound is worth MORE than the American Dollar.
When the American goverment needs more money, they simply print more. Even though the money is already worthless. Before Bush wanted an extra 500 million more for his war, the economy was supposivly in a recession, then suddently *poof* congress gets 500 million out of thin air instantly to give Bush when he asks for it.
5. The History Channel is a NICE program. But realize this - ALL media is filtered by the goverment. The NSA has been around long before the recent 'war on terriorism'. They have more power than the FBI, CIA, and IRS.
Negative, I know that. This is why I said my numbers were estimates because, truth be told, no one can calculate the exact numbers without all of the data. I was making an educated guess. xplororor is simply believing what the devs stated without providing real proof.
I see where you are coming from on the banks statement, but I think they are completely different. I have never read anywhere that SWG servers hold more accounts than can be online when at max capacity. Could you provide a link? And from what xplororor is saying, there would have to be double the number of subscribers as there are people playing most of the time. Why would people subscribe and not play?
You are correct, there are more accounts stored on each server, than there are accounts being used at the same time.
People do subscribe and people do play. But they play at different times. SWG is a world wide MMORPG. Even in the USA Americans are spread over different timezones and play at different times - and this is in the same country.
In the Old SWG forums the DEVs first announced how many players a server could hold, and how many could be online at the same time. There is another internet site that keeps a record of what the DEVs say in the DEV chats as well as their posts. I will see if it is still online.
Do you still play SWG? If so, how could you believe that there are 300k subscribers? Most cities are empty on most servers, many people have quit.
1. Every server is differerent.
2. 1 planet alone has more playable surface area than the entire playable surface area of Ever Quest. And EQ has over 400,000 accounts.
3. Now imagine 300,000 accounts spread over roughly 8 Ever Quest games. We are talking about an insane amount of playable surface area.
4. In SWG, even on the newest servers, there are certian hubs of activity. Go to Theed on Naboo. Go to Mos Eisley, Mos Espo on Tantooine. Try Coronet on Corellia. There's always activity and many players about.
I will admit though, that with player cities now being Official, it has cut down on the need for NPC cities. Since SWG is still an experimental MMORPG, and still new, this is part of its growing pains. Something for the game DEVs to address.
Something is not right about the published numbers, that were NOT published in October, xplororor. Here's some links and my comments:
An interview with Lucasarts in November at Homelanfed.com, notice they asked how many subscribers and the Lucasarts guy said they have had over 300k GAME KEYS ACTIVATED...not subscribers.
Thank you for this link. I didn't even know about it. I will save it.
BTW, in order to subscribe one must activate the game key that comes with each game. So the number of activated game keys is an indication of the number of accounts SWG has.
An official Lucasarts news release at Gamespot announcing 275,000 Registered Users in AUGUST. And we know it all went downhill from there. So, if they did announce in October that there were 300,000 subscribers, which I have not been able to find anywhere, then they were lieing, or SOE were feeding them a load of BS. Either way, there cannot be 300,000 people still playing that trainwreck.
1. What is wrong with the numbers? At the end of August they say they have passed the 275,000 mark. Then two months later in October they say they have passed the 300,000 mark. The game has grown.
2. You say and claim "it all went downhill". This is your opinion vs what SONY and LucasArts knows for a fact. Your opinion, which is based on... what? vs... SONY and LucasArts which is based on their own product. The hard numbers they have direct access to. The statistics they have direct access to. The stockholders they have to answer to. The CEO's (Smeadly and Nybouki Ideia) SWG must answer to. And even the flannel One himself, George Lucas, that they must answer to. As well as the lawyers for LucasArts that SWG game DEVs must answer to.
If you wish to believe what you want... it is you. You can even believe SWG has only 1,000 accounts. That is you.
SWG will go on. It has already been a success. It will continue to be a success.
3. BTW, I have always said SWG had roughly 300k subscribers by November 2003. Thank you for providing yet another link that verifies this and that I can use for further proof.
4. You then add something that is purely your opinon, in your last sentance. A very, very biased opinion as you don't just simply say "No way 300,000 could still be playing" but you go on to call SWG names.
/deepbow
Stop bowing to me! Stop it! Stop that! I said.....
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
Is LoS your guild in Horizions?
And what are the initials for Horizions? ( EQ = EverQuest, SWG = Star Wars Galaxies, etc.. etc...)
Originally posted by xplororor His illustration about banks is on the right track.
1. BTW, banks do NOT have enough cash on hand to cover every single customer if they decide to make a withdrawl of $100,000.oo or less.
2. In the event of an economic dissaster, all banks would be immediatly closed by the goverment if everyone made a mad dash to take out all their cash - even if it were less than 100g's. Proof?
This happend during the Great Depression in America when all banks were closed by the goverment.
3. The Savings and Loan Scandel was the result of bad investments, improper investments, and even semi-legal investments. All done on purpose.
Not exactly
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation was founded because of the Great Depression. The FDIC grants everyone up to 100,000 U.S. dollars even if they all wanted it out at the same exact time.
If you have more than 100,000 invested in your savings account or checking, you're encouraged to invest those monies elsewhere.
Fort Knox currently has an undisclosed amount of money in their reserves. But according to the Denver U.S. Mint, it's in the low teen Trillions. If the FDIC runs out of funds (FDIC currently has a little more than 3 trillion "tucked" away). So when the 3 trillion runs out, the U.S. kicks in with trillions more. At 100,000 per person (assuming one has 100,000 invested in their savings, checkings, CDs) and an estimated 292,373,045 Americans (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html ) then take out 72.3 million children (http://www.aecf.org/kidscount/trends_children.pdf )that would make it around 220,073,045; thus making it a little over 22 trillion dollars.
Then you have to figure how many of us actually have 100,000 in the bank (not including other assets). Probably brings that 22 trillion dollars down a little. keep in mind millionaires have other assets that are not effected by banking as they usally invest in other stocks, CDs, money markets, realistate (sp) and world banks.
Additionally, the U.S. would not close banks because they ran out of money (only happened in Great Depression). If they would close a bank, it would simply be to stop the stem of a mass rush to banks (i.e., pandamonia in streets, uncommon behavior, looting, etc). It would not be because they are in danger of loosing money.
That site has a lot of excellant resources on the Savings and Loans, which one of their many offenses was taking in more money that they had and then using it for corruptable reasons.
Hope that helps
Now, back to swg...
P.S. That second link changes all the time as more babies are born. The third link is a tad inacurate since that is the 200o Census I believe (little change...but not by much)
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
How many times do I have to tell you, son? It isn't worth getting worked up over.. I know this.. I have known this for a LONG time now. Just because you see someone like me who can speak their mind decisively, you ignorantly assume that I am upset over what's transpiring here. When you've been around online a few more years, (and BTW, I think you're full of it on both counts) maybe you'll understand this. Not everyone is a drooling retard from Kiddie-Strike, whose best comeback is "ur mama".
From reading down through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that you (xplororor ) are argumentative and confrontational...you enjoy it. You criticize others for not posting proof of their facts when you post no proof of yours. Others come back and do post proof of at least some of their facts, you do not. You just keep on criticizing them and trying to belittle them. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and post some facts for a change, WOW...that would be refreshing. Yes, I played SWG for 5 months. No, I'm not going to prove it to you as I don't give a RF if you believe me or not. I don't have a clue how many subscribers there are now and don't really care. I do know this, the numbers I saw on Lowca and Tarquinas where I played were less in November than they were in July. No, I'm not going to prove it to you. I went out to the SWG forums while I played and saw the many posts of folks getting tired of the bugs and no content. I remember in July not being able to get a friend to create a char on my server Lowca because it was full, and then in November it being Medium. No, I'm not going to prove it to you. I remember being on Talus/Dearic in November on Tarquinas and it being a virtual ghost town, only seeing 4 to 5 people if I was lucky. No, I'm not going to prove it to you. Historically, MMORPGs have their largest fan base early in their life. Then the subscriptions shrink because other games come out and people want to move on. The rate of shrinkage depends on the game. No, I'm not going to prove this to you...common sense eh? It appears to me that Makane burnt you on his proof about the loads on SWG servers. On his screen shot there's only one Heavy that I see. Gee, seems like I remember most of them being Heavy when I played back in July. I wonder what conclusions you could draw from this? Hmmmm
I'm sure you'll have some snappy come-back... Cheers
Are you quite done making a fool of yourself? How many times do I have to tell you, son? It isn't worth getting worked up over.. I know this.. I have known this for a LONG time now. Just because you see someone like me who can speak their mind decisively, you ignorantly assume that I am upset over what's transpiring here. When you've been around online a few more years, (and BTW, I think you're full of it on both counts) maybe you'll understand this. Not everyone is a drooling retard from Kiddie-Strike, whose best comeback is "ur mama".
um ....ok.....
someone remind me not to run into negative in a darkened ally
Are you quite done making a fool of yourself? How many times do I have to tell you, son? It isn't worth getting worked up over.. I know this.. I have known this for a LONG time now. Just because you see someone like me who can speak their mind decisively, you ignorantly assume that I am upset over what's transpiring here. When you've been around online a few more years, (and BTW, I think you're full of it on both counts) maybe you'll understand this. Not everyone is a drooling retard from Kiddie-Strike, whose best comeback is "ur mama".
you know, its truly a sad time when people challenge the biological age of someone on the forums, Negative. LOL, he's not trying to say he's Prince William
He's 29...so what? (That's a rhetorical question....no need to answer as we have totally gone off the beaten track here in the world of SWG "SOE has ruined their name with this one"
Now that we have totally Hijacked this thread! Many Apologies to the original author of this post
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
1) At 8 pages, and untold embarrassing posts by xplororor, (embarrassing to anyone who still plays SWG, anyway) this thread is pretty much played out.
2) I think the above guy you're blindly sticking up for is a liar, plain and simple. What's so hard to understand about that?
3) You are not helping matters any by jumping into this. If you're looking for a verbal battle, just come out and say it.. don't waste our time pretending to be some noble defender of the downtrodden unwashed masses, or whatever it is you're pretending to be by sticking up for him after the exchange had pretty much petered out on its own.
Originally posted by Negative71 A few hints, to get you up to speed: 1) At 8 pages, and untold embarrassing posts by xplororor, (embarrassing to anyone who still plays SWG, anyway) this thread is pretty much played out. 2) I think the above guy you're blindly sticking up for is a liar, plain and simple. What's so hard to understand about that? 3) You are not helping matters any by jumping into this. If you're looking for a verbal battle, just come out and say it.. don't waste our time pretending to be some noble defender of the downtrodden unwashed masses, or whatever it is you're pretending to be by sticking up for him after the exchange had pretty much petered out on its own.
LOL, dude, you need some serious therapy, my friend. Serious therapy.
1. I agree withthe SWG statement (although i think we've beaten this topic to death.
2. If a guy says he's 29 then he's 29. I, myself, am 30. I dont understand how u think he's lying...plain and simple. Being 29 isnt abig deal...i just think its funny as he** that you think he's lying about that (someone pretending to be Britney SPears is one thing, someone who is 29...who the heck cares)
3. Since when are you the cockfighter and this is a roosterfight? I think anyone can jump into a disussion. Although, like I said earlier this bickering from all of us needs to stop as we have serioulsy taken over this thread.
Like I said, hang up the forum replies and seek some therapy. You sure as he** got your forum name true to form. Getting that upset over some guy talking about his online years experience is just plain assainizing on your end..especially if you are an adult.
Gawd, you remind me of that comicbook collector on the Simpsons
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LOL, xploror, yet you proved my point again
You hammered me because the link I provided is an Executive of LucasArts and not the DEVs. Well, guess what? The execs at Lucasarts holds the riegns to the production and distribution of this game. So, basically, what they mentioned holds more of an impact than if a DEV mentioned it. Also, about 2 weeks after this interview was posted, Kevin O'Hara talked with IGN and said the same exact thing.
You're not going to win this debate, my friend. The numbers prove it. Like th epost before this one said, log on....check out the Star Wars Galaxies Forums and read it for yourself. I'm not deceiving anyone. The server stats speaks for themeselves
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I find it very intresting you eagerly post your character information for another game, Horizons.
(Which I have now learned is doing far, far, far, worse than SWG. It is second only to AC2 as the MMORPG with the worse ever game launch - IF your own fellow posters at this site are to be believed.)
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Ok, here goes...
Yes I admit that my statement about the number of servers was incorrect as I could not remember how many actual servers there were, and I didn't bother to look it up. But you are focusing on the insignificant. I rethought the math for the correct number of servers after your post, and my math (indicating the actual number of subscribers) was still close to my original number.
I don't lie. Your blanket accusations about everyone spreading false imformation are disturbing to say the least. You know there is a gray area in life, don't you? I may have incorrectly stated the number of servers because I was too lazy to get the actual numbers. Tonight, as it turns out, am not.
My char was Makane Ares on Lowca server. Here are 3 screenshots of my char:
http://www.wheelsofconfusion.com/makane1.jpg
http://www.wheelsofconfusion.com/makane2.jpg
http://www.wheelsofconfusion.com/makane3.jpg
My other char is there as well. Also in this screenshot, you will see 25, yes that is right, 25 servers listed:
http://www.wheelsofconfusion.com/makane4.jpg
Here's a screenshot of the version number, just in case you argue that I haven't played SWG in months. Truth is I canceled my account in October, and in December I renewed my account to see how it was going.
http://www.wheelsofconfusion.com/makane5.jpg
Those screenshots were taken tonight during primetime U.S., about 8:30 CST. Now, I recalculated the math based on the server pops in that screenshot. Provided, the server pops don't show all subscribed to the game, but it's a good indication. If LOW = 3000, MED = 6000, HEAVY = 9000, then one would stand to believe there are ABOUT 138,000 subscribers. A little higher than my original ESTIMATE, but definitely not 300,000. Who is the one spreading false information? Hmm, not me. I never said that my original numbers were fact, it was a rough estimate.
I'm also not going to defend Horizons. Yeah, it has it's problems, and has a much lower subscriber base than most MMORPGs. But I have fun playing it. And if you have fun playing SWG, then more power to ya. I hope it goes well for you. Why the hell are you talking about Horizons in the first place? Didn't you belittle some other poster that this was an SWG only forum when he mentioned KOTOR? He wasn't lieing when he said that KOTOR was fun. Why did you do that, and why do you seem intent on talking to people as if they were children?
I hope this clears up some of the confusion...
/deepbow
MAKANE
(Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty)
Lords of Stonekeep
Yup, that's what many of us are trying to say. The server numbers just dont add up to 300,000 members, period.
And let's say the DEVs weren't lying (hard to believe but let's try). Then, they essentially over subscribed and basically had more players than a server can allow. So basically, over 50% of the subscribers cant play if they wanted to (if everyone wanted to log on).
Pretty whacked huh
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Just to point it out, but.. not everyone IS going to be on at the same time.
Wondering why a game would have more subscribers than it could handle is kinda like wondering why banks don't hold enough money at all times to pay us all 100% of what we deposit with them.
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not exactly true
Banks are designed to have enough money to pay every single bankee up to 100,000 per person if something were to happen, then the Federal Reserves has enough money in Fort Knox to cover a good portion of what was lost
Saw an episode on History Channel of Fort Knox as they prepared for the Y2K bug. They had 300 Billion in reserves in case the banks ran dry.
If Banks were to only have 50% of the funds available, that would be considered a scandel; i.e., the Savings and Loan Scandel in 1987.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Why THANK YOU for nitpicking a post JUST after I got done chewing out people on another forum for just the same kind of thing. Instead of getting a point, you.. just like every other keyboard commando out there.. have to go and find some little tidbit to dodge the point and make yourself feel superior for having done so.
And people wonder why I keep all this ammo laying around.. *rolls eyes*
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Negative, I know that. This is why I said my numbers were estimates because, truth be told, no one can calculate the exact numbers without all of the data. I was making an educated guess. xplororor is simply believing what the devs stated without providing real proof.
I see where you are coming from on the banks statement, but I think they are completely different. I have never read anywhere that SWG servers hold more accounts than can be online when at max capacity. Could you provide a link? And from what xplororor is saying, there would have to be double the number of subscribers as there are people playing most of the time. Why would people subscribe and not play?
Do you still play SWG? If so, how could you believe that there are 300k subscribers? Most cities are empty on most servers, many people have quit. Something is not right about the published numbers, that were NOT published in October, xplororor. Here's some links and my comments:
http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=18827
An interview with Lucasarts in November at Homelanfed.com, notice they asked how many subscribers and the Lucasarts guy said they have had over 300k GAME KEYS ACTIVATED...not subscribers.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesaned/news_6074249.html
An official Lucasarts news release at Gamespot announcing 275,000 Registered Users in AUGUST. And we know it all went downhill from there. So, if they did announce in October that there were 300,000 subscribers, which I have not been able to find anywhere, then they were lieing, or SOE were feeding them a load of BS. Either way, there cannot be 300,000 people still playing that trainwreck.
/deepbow
MAKANE
(Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty)
Lords of Stonekeep
Yes, I still play the game. As for what I believe.. when I saw SOE's PR B.S., I chuckled. I can believe that there's 300,000+ units sold, maybe that even 300,000+ of those buyers activated an account and tried it through their "free" (coughB.S.cough) month. But are there 300k paying users now? I doubt it. Hell, my checking account counts for like 8 of those, if you consider my girlfriend's accounts, my own extra account, and the friends we're helping out to continue playing the game.
My gross, uneducated guess.. based on nothing but the fact that I play on 8 different servers and gut intuition, (so you number-hounds don't get your undies in a knot thinking I speak from some official source.. because frankly I'm getting sick of your badgering back and forth for links and stats and all that nonsense) I'd say there are probably between 50k and 100k paid accounts still going.. many of them from users with multiple accounts. Yes, a wide gap between min and max.. but.. it is a significant difference from 300k that you guys are spouting off about.
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Thanks Negative. I appreciate your opinion. I also agree with your estimate, and your feelings about SOE. I too had multiple accounts (3 actually) for the whole time I played.
Also, I would like to apologize to xplororor and everyone reading this thread for the name-calling. It was inappropriate. But I also think that xplororor enjoys irritating people and calling them liars when they don't agree with his opinion, as he has done on other threads here. IMO
This thread needs to get back on topic...
/deepbow
MAKANE
(Horizons: Malakye Revan - Wizard on Bounty)
Lords of Stonekeep
Get bent, kiddo. Just because I can express my thoughts clearly and decisively, and also have a brutal sense of humor, doesn't mean that things said in a forum "upset" me. Maybe after you've been online a few more years, you'll understand how meaningless it really is.
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Get bent, kiddo. Just because I can express my thoughts clearly and decisively, and also have a brutal sense of humor, doesn't mean that things said in a forum "upset" me. Maybe after you've been online a few more years, you'll understand how meaningless it really is.
Ive been online since 1991. So i think 13 or so years is pretty good. Also, me being 29 probably wont classify myself as kiddo (unless you're like 60)
Don't get so bent out of shape on the forums....that's just ammunition for other people. Remember, they're just forums...nothing here should be taken seriously. If people get upset or unnerved about what people type on the forums just isn't constructive.
Btw...back to topic lol
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Yes it very much does. And I seriously want to applaude you again (even though it took you until the 6th page) for finally stepping up and fearlessly posting your SWG character info, etc....
I may even check out Horizions since you say there is some fun in it, regardless of what most of the posters at this site say.
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Yup, that's what many of us are trying to say. The server numbers just dont add up to 300,000 members, period.
*sigh* and *sigh* again........
Here we go one more time......
1. SWG has over 300,000 accounts.
2. Each server can hold a maximum of 24,000 accounts.
3. Each server can allow a maximum of 12,000 players playing online at the same time.
4. SWG has never ever said, nor claimed that all 300,000 accounts have ever been played online at the exact same time. Neither have I ever claimed, or said this.
5. You will NEVER see all the server numbers add up to 300,000 LOL! Even though there are over 300,000 accounts. All the server numbers show are how many players are currently online playing at the same time.
This goes for every single other MMORPG out. Even EQ which has over 400,000 accounts will never have all 400k accounts playing online at the same time.
And let's say the DEVs weren't lying (hard to believe but let's try). Then, they essentially over subscribed and basically had more players than a server can allow. So basically, over 50% of the subscribers cant play if they wanted to (if everyone wanted to log on).
You are correct. Each server can hold and store 24,000 accounts. Only 12,000 accounts maximum can be played online at the same time on each server. The SWG game DEVs have NEVER lied about this. They have posted exactly what I have said word by word on the old SWG forums.
And yes, if every single account being stored on a server was to be tried and played at the exact same time, not everyone would be able to log in. Yes roughly 50% of the 24,000 accounts would be able to be loged into and played.
Pretty whacked huh
No not 'whacked' at all. It is called smart buisness.
1. A MMORPG is a world wide game. As players log off to go to sleep or work, other players are waking up or arriving home from work. Theoretically the numbers of online players will roughly stay the same.
2. A server can hold 24,000 accounts. Only 12,000 accounts can be used at the same time. While 12, 000 players are online.... the other 12,000 players are asleep, or at work, or living their life. (Taking the kids out, going to a movie, taking the girlfriend out, taking the wife out, visiting friends, relatives, family, and even doing other hobbies like mountain climbing, biking, and even playing other games instead of SWG like Counter Strike , KOTOR
, etc... etc....
This is the best case scenario. If SONY is smart, they will err on the conservative side. They will make it possilbe for 12k players to be online at the same time........ even if their marketing shows on avarage 8k players are normally online at the same time.
Also, the first day SWG was out, it was unplayable because a unique thing happened:
- Most people took vacation from their jobs. Or cut school, or far, far, ahead of time, planned to be free the day SWG released. Thus virtually all 24,000 accounts were trying to get online at the same time - even though each server can only allow 12,000 players online at the same time.
- For the entire first 2 months SWG was out, this still kept happening, but not as often. It even happened to me a few times. Log off, and be unable to log back in 5 mins later because the server is fulled up.
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not exactly true
Banks are designed to have enough money to pay every single bankee up to 100,000 per person if something were to happen, then the Federal Reserves has enough money in Fort Knox to cover a good portion of what was lost
Saw an episode on History Channel of Fort Knox as they prepared for the Y2K bug. They had 300 Billion in reserves in case the banks ran dry.
If Banks were to only have 50% of the funds available, that would be considered a scandel; i.e., the Savings and Loan Scandel in 1987.
His illustration about banks is on the right track.
1. BTW, banks do NOT have enough cash on hand to cover every single customer if they decide to make a withdrawl of $100,000.oo or less.
2. In the event of an economic dissaster, all banks would be immediatly closed by the goverment if everyone made a mad dash to take out all their cash - even if it were less than 100g's. Proof?
This happend during the Great Depression in America when all banks were closed by the goverment.
3. The Savings and Loan Scandel was the result of bad investments, improper investments, and even semi-legal investments. All done on purpose.
Banks make money by investing the money that is deposited in them. If they make bad investments the bank goes belly up. The CEO's, and Executives in the S&L industry on purpose invested billions into either their own personal companies, or friend's companies. The buinesses would declare bankruptcy. Be unable to pay the bank. The bank goes belly up - unless bailed out by the Federal Goverment ( all accounts are insured up to 100grand.). The goverment then replaces the 'lost' money with more money from the taxpayers. (Where do you think new money comes from? heheh......)
Meanwhile the CEO's, the Exec's, and their friends pocket the 'lost money' from the 'bad investments' and get away with robbery. All money over 100 grand they simply blatantly took.
4. In hardcore realtiy, money really does 'grow on trees'. American money is backed by blind faith. Proof?
The Euro is worth MORE than the American Dollar. (It's the main reason Germany and France can easily get away with telling Bush to go [bleep] himself.).
The Pound is worth MORE than the American Dollar.
When the American goverment needs more money, they simply print more. Even though the money is already worthless. Before Bush wanted an extra 500 million more for his war, the economy was supposivly in a recession, then suddently *poof* congress gets 500 million out of thin air instantly to give Bush when he asks for it.
5. The History Channel is a NICE program. But realize this - ALL media is filtered by the goverment. The NSA has been around long before the recent 'war on terriorism'. They have more power than the FBI, CIA, and IRS.
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1. BTW, banks do NOT have enough cash on hand to cover every single customer if they decide to make a withdrawl of $100,000.oo or less.
2. In the event of an economic dissaster, all banks would be immediatly closed by the goverment if everyone made a mad dash to take out all their cash - even if it were less than 100g's. Proof?
This happend during the Great Depression in America when all banks were closed by the goverment.
3. The Savings and Loan Scandel was the result of bad investments, improper investments, and even semi-legal investments. All done on purpose.
Not exactly
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation was founded because of the Great Depression. The FDIC grants everyone up to 100,000 U.S. dollars even if they all wanted it out at the same exact time.
here's a link that provides addition information: http://www.fdic.gov/about/learn/symbol/index.html
If you have more than 100,000 invested in your savings account or checking, you're encouraged to invest those monies elsewhere.
Fort Knox currently has an undisclosed amount of money in their reserves. But according to the Denver U.S. Mint, it's in the low teen Trillions. If the FDIC runs out of funds (FDIC currently has a little more than 3 trillion "tucked" away). So when the 3 trillion runs out, the U.S. kicks in with trillions more. At 100,000 per person (assuming one has 100,000 invested in their savings, checkings, CDs) and an estimated 292,373,045 Americans (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html ) then take out 72.3 million children (http://www.aecf.org/kidscount/trends_children.pdf )that would make it around 220,073,045; thus making it a little over 22 trillion dollars.
Then you have to figure how many of us actually have 100,000 in the bank (not including other assets). Probably brings that 22 trillion dollars down a little. keep in mind millionaires have other assets that are not effected by banking as they usally invest in other stocks, CDs, money markets, realistate (sp) and world banks.
Additionally, the U.S. would not close banks because they ran out of money (only happened in Great Depression). If they would close a bank, it would simply be to stop the stem of a mass rush to banks (i.e., pandamonia in streets, uncommon behavior, looting, etc). It would not be because they are in danger of loosing money.
Here's another site: http://www.kipnotes.com/SavingsLoans.htm
That site has a lot of excellant resources on the Savings and Loans, which one of their many offenses was taking in more money that they had and then using it for corruptable reasons.
Hope that helps
Now, back to swg...
P.S. That second link changes all the time as more babies are born. The third link is a tad inacurate since that is the 200o Census I believe (little change...but not by much)
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Are you quite done making a fool of yourself?
How many times do I have to tell you, son? It isn't worth getting worked up over.. I know this.. I have known this for a LONG time now. Just because you see someone like me who can speak their mind decisively, you ignorantly assume that I am upset over what's transpiring here. When you've been around online a few more years, (and BTW, I think you're full of it on both counts) maybe you'll understand this. Not everyone is a drooling retard from Kiddie-Strike, whose best comeback is "ur mama".
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From reading down through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that you (xplororor ) are argumentative and confrontational...you enjoy it. You criticize others for not posting proof of their facts when you post no proof of yours. Others come back and do post proof of at least some of their facts, you do not. You just keep on criticizing them and trying to belittle them.
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and post some facts for a change, WOW...that would be refreshing.
Yes, I played SWG for 5 months. No, I'm not going to prove it to you as I don't give a RF if you believe me or not. I don't have a clue how many subscribers there are now and don't really care. I do know this, the numbers I saw on Lowca and Tarquinas where I played were less in November than they were in July. No, I'm not going to prove it to you. I went out to the SWG forums while I played and saw the many posts of folks getting tired of the bugs and no content. I remember in July not being able to get a friend to create a char on my server Lowca because it was full, and then in November it being Medium. No, I'm not going to prove it to you. I remember being on Talus/Dearic in November on Tarquinas and it being a virtual ghost town, only seeing 4 to 5 people if I was lucky. No, I'm not going to prove it to you.
Historically, MMORPGs have their largest fan base early in their life. Then the subscriptions shrink because other games come out and people want to move on. The rate of shrinkage depends on the game. No, I'm not going to prove this to you...common sense eh?
It appears to me that Makane burnt you on his proof about the loads on SWG servers. On his screen shot there's only one Heavy that I see. Gee, seems like I remember most of them being Heavy when I played back in July. I wonder what conclusions you could draw from this? Hmmmm
I'm sure you'll have some snappy come-back...
Cheers
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someone remind me not to run into negative in a darkened ally
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you know, its truly a sad time when people challenge the biological age of someone on the forums, Negative. LOL, he's not trying to say he's Prince William
He's 29...so what? (That's a rhetorical question....no need to answer as we have totally gone off the beaten track here in the world of SWG "SOE has ruined their name with this one"
Now that we have totally Hijacked this thread! Many Apologies to the original author of this post
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
A few hints, to get you up to speed:
1) At 8 pages, and untold embarrassing posts by xplororor, (embarrassing to anyone who still plays SWG, anyway) this thread is pretty much played out.
2) I think the above guy you're blindly sticking up for is a liar, plain and simple. What's so hard to understand about that?
3) You are not helping matters any by jumping into this. If you're looking for a verbal battle, just come out and say it.. don't waste our time pretending to be some noble defender of the downtrodden unwashed masses, or whatever it is you're pretending to be by sticking up for him after the exchange had pretty much petered out on its own.
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LOL, dude, you need some serious therapy, my friend. Serious therapy.
1. I agree withthe SWG statement (although i think we've beaten this topic to death.
2. If a guy says he's 29 then he's 29. I, myself, am 30. I dont understand how u think he's lying...plain and simple. Being 29 isnt abig deal...i just think its funny as he** that you think he's lying about that (someone pretending to be Britney SPears is one thing, someone who is 29...who the heck cares)
3. Since when are you the cockfighter and this is a roosterfight? I think anyone can jump into a disussion. Although, like I said earlier this bickering from all of us needs to stop as we have serioulsy taken over this thread.
Like I said, hang up the forum replies and seek some therapy. You sure as he** got your forum name true to form. Getting that upset over some guy talking about his online years experience is just plain assainizing on your end..especially if you are an adult.
Gawd, you remind me of that comicbook collector on the Simpsons
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.