I think the winner of this off-topic discussion will be the one who goes back and deletes any and all of their posts that are off-topic.
...but back to the topic at hand...
I got into the beta for SWG. I thought I had been delivered by God. Then I got there and realized, "wait, this isn't gamer's heaven". I was utterly disappointed. I heard rumors that the game engine would be this or that... They used a game engine that was meant for a fantasy game and put it to a sci-fi game. It was ridiculous. The little cross-hairs looking thing that you saw in the center of many of the screenshots was nothing more than a cursor. And when that first little critter made it all the way up to me while I blasted it with my little pea-shooter, and it was biting my ankles, and I didn't get a message saying, "you're too close to use that" or something to that effect, and I just kept blasting it while it bit my ankles... I was so angry... I had just gotten done beta testing Planetside, and I was so psyched up for SWG, I freaked out and did a little dance when I got the beta invite for it. Then I got in, and it was EQ all over again. Everything was so buggy, I can't even say how many messages I sent in on bug reports. The game was released LOOONG before it should have been released, and even so, the game had no potential to be good because of the mechanics. it was just pure terrible. I didn't even survive the beta test. I couldn't stand to play the game even for free.
"The sun comes up and I'm all washed out. Is this what Deaner was talkin about? I don't think I will ever return again my friend." ---Gene Ween
"The sun comes up and I'm all washed out. Is this what Deaner was talkin about? I don't think I will ever return again my friend." ---Gene Ween
I think the winner of this off-topic discussion will be the one who goes back and deletes any and all of their posts that are off-topic.
...but back to the topic at hand...
Heheh, you have a major point there! I've sometimes made a stronger than usual effort to get topics back on topic......
I got into the beta for SWG. I thought I had been delivered by God. Then I got there and realized, "wait, this isn't gamer's heaven". I was utterly disappointed. I heard rumors that the game engine would be this or that... They used a game engine that was meant for a fantasy game and put it to a sci-fi game. It was ridiculous. The little cross-hairs looking thing that you saw in the center of many of the screenshots was nothing more than a cursor.
1. SWG right now is absolutly nothing what it was like in Beta. Nothing.
2. You can change the UI. All MMORPGs give power to mouse control. There will always be a cursor/mouse pointer in all MMORPGs. But even then, in SWG you can change the settings and make it dissappear.
3. It looks like you were too used to playing Anarchy Online? It is a more gloomy atmostpher. Cities are industrial-looking.
A Sci-Fi setting does not always have to be "Blade Runner-looking".
And when that first little critter made it all the way up to me while I blasted it with my little pea-shooter, and it was biting my ankles, and I didn't get a message saying, "you're too close to use that" or something to that effect, and I just kept blasting it while it bit my ankles... I was so angry...
SWG is not EQ. Also that annoying message in EQ "Your too close", "Your not facing the right direction", "Your too far", etc... was even more annoying. And unrealistic. But EQ players learned to deal with this unrealism.
In SWG it IS realistic to be able to blast a critter that is bitting your ankles. In SWG player characters have some AI and will turn around and fight if attacked first instead of just standing there getting killed. In SWG, your character will actually aim their blaster down if a critter attackes their feet, instead of the game giving an annoying message "you are too close".
I had just gotten done beta testing Planetside, and I was so psyched up for SWG, I freaked out and did a little dance when I got the beta invite for it. Then I got in, and it was EQ all over again. Everything was so buggy, I can't even say how many messages I sent in on bug reports. The game was released LOOONG before it should have been released, and even so, the game had no potential to be good because of the mechanics. it was just pure terrible. I didn't even survive the beta test. I couldn't stand to play the game even for free.
"The sun comes up and I'm all washed out. Is this what Deaner was talkin about? I don't think I will ever return again my friend." ---Gene Ween
You obviously have a very visceral reaction to reasonable criticism of SOE as a company and SWG as a product.
Leadership positions are earned and the loss of leadership position is also earned.
SOE has treated customers horribly and is now paying the expected price: This game is unraveling and the company's reputation is taking a well deserved gut punch.
The monopoly is over. True competition is here and more is coming. The best overall execution of the MMORPG concept will win the day, and SOE is well on its way towards earning its way right out of the top spot.
soe never had a name with me i didnt like this i didnt like everquest and i didnt like planetside and from the sounds of it i wont like everquest 2 (if i even bother to try it since coh and probly wow will be out by the time it comes out and well sorry coh just sounds so friggin cool and i have never not liked a blizzard game)
God. Then I got there and realized, "wait, this isn't gamer's heaven". I was utterly disappointed. I heard rumors that the game engine would be this or that... They used a game engine that was meant for a fantasy game and put it to a sci-fi game. It was ridiculous. The little cross-hairs looking thing that you saw in the center of many of the screenshots was nothing more than a cursor.
1. SWG right now is absolutly nothing what it was like in Beta. Nothing.
You're right about that one, X.
Beta was completley different than it is now. The game had gotten noticably worse
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Did anyone try that free reactivation SOE just had? This game just slides further into crap-dom. I started as a beta tester, and finally threw in the towel last November. Balance issues and game mechanics have plagued SWG throughout. PvP system was absolute trash, mostly due to aforementioned balance issues. Utterly terrible customer service. Only players left are kids that just want to play a Star Wars game. This one has me afraid that EQII is going this direction too.
I treid the reactivation period and was still dissappointed and board. They added a few things and didnt fix anything. What a lose of a potentially fun game.
"The true meaning to REBEL is Revenge Every Battle Every Lost" -Dustin G.
"The true meaning to REBEL is Revenge Every Battle Every Lost" -Dustin G.
i never bothered with the free trail...at least Im glad Im not the only one who got the offer. LOL, some people were beginning to doubt I even got a free invite back
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
You obviously have a very visceral reaction to reasonable criticism of SOE as a company and SWG as a product.
IF this was indeed what you claim - criticizing SONY as a company, then why wasn't this posted in the EverQuest forums? Or the EQ2 forums? Or even better, in the proper forum "General Discussion" and/or "Developers Corner" ?
Leadership positions are earned and the loss of leadership position is also earned.
SOE has treated customers horribly and is now paying the expected price: This game is unraveling and the company's reputation is taking a well deserved gut punch.
When/if SWG falls below 100,000 accounts then it will be "unraveling".
Any attacks you, or others, want to make on SONY do them in the proper forums.
The monopoly is over. True competition is here and more is coming. The best overall execution of the MMORPG concept will win the day, and SOE is well on its way towards earning its way right out of the top spot.
Whining about it won't change a thing.
SONY still has the worldwide monopoly in the MMORPG market, and is poised to retain it.
The FACTS have been stated numerous times without any "whining" or bumping of old threads to re-hash more hate, and negativity.
Originally posted by NickDiesel This one has me afraid that EQII is going this direction too. *prays its a different dev team*
Its a different DEV team, but the same guy who was instrumental in screwing up SWG (Raph Koster) is heading up all mmorpgs, I believe.
That's why I am staying away from all SOE mmorpgs. There's plenty of better fantasy mmorpgs coming out such as Lineage2 and World or Warcraft.
You could only wish you will accomplish anything near what Raph has accomplished.
And why do you post something..... then discredit what you post by saying "...I believe"?
AKA.....
You are not sure. You don't really know.
BTW, you are right, you do not know. Because your information is incorrect. Raph is not in charge of all MMORPGs (LOL).
If Lin2 and WoW get even half of the number of accounts SWG has, they both will be outstanding successes.
Keep this bumped, necro-posted topic on subject. About SONY.
Not about Lin 2, WoW, or EQ2, or SWG...... ah yes... this bumped topic can be said to be really off topic. It is not directly about SWG. But is about SONY the company. Let this topic fade back down into the abyss where it already naturally faded because there was nothing worthwhile to add.
Originally posted by xplororor You could only wish you will accomplish anything near what Raph has accomplished.
Have no need to wish what I could accomplish what Raph has because I have no desire to program games and other programs...so your comment is inaccurate.
BTW, you are right, you do not know. Because your information is incorrect. Raph is not in charge of all MMORPGs (LOL).
I am talking about with SOE. (LOL)
If Lin2 and WoW get even half of the number of accounts SWG has, they both will be outstanding successes.
Number doesnt dictate a quality game. Besides, if you want to unravel you're so called subscription 300K plus numbers again, be my guest. Many people proved you wrong, it'll only happen again.
Plus, I hate to break it to you. WoW may be a totally different genre all together but I can guarantee you this: WoW will have more active players than SWG (yes, possibly even above non-playing, cancelled subscriber (oooooo)
SWG got so many responses because of the name of Star Wars...not because they were elite. People are leaving in drones because the game sucks so people are seeing past the glamorous license title
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Originally posted by xplororor You could only wish you will accomplish anything near what Raph has accomplished.
Have no need to wish what I could accomplish what Raph has because I have no desire to program games and other programs...so your comment is inaccurate.
If you are going to resort to calling Raph names, and making insulting personal attacks and remarks on him and about him, then my comment is right comparing his personal accomplishments to your personal accomplishments.
BTW, you are right, you do not know. Because your information is incorrect. Raph is not in charge of all MMORPGs (LOL).
I am talking about with SOE. (LOL)
Exactly my point! Wrong forum. Wrong thread to dredge up. Wrong thread to bump.
If Lin2 and WoW get even half of the number of accounts SWG has, they both will be outstanding successes.
Number doesnt dictate a quality game. Besides, if you want to unravel you're so called subscription 300K plus numbers again, be my guest. Many people proved you wrong, it'll only happen again.
1. First you claim number of accounts means nothing.
2. Name one single person who has proved me wrong?
3. Many SWG bashers when presented with FACTs and proof (after they theirselves post no facts or proof of their claims) simply choose to ignore the FACTs, or outright claim the Press, Media, LucasArts, and SONY are all outright Liars.
I love telling them "why stop with SWG? Then EQ is being lied about! Knights of the Old Republic and all other LucasArts games are being lied aobut!" They respond with silence heheh.
Plus, I hate to break it to you. WoW may be a totally different genre all together but I can guarantee you this: WoW will have more active players than SWG (yes, possibly even above non-playing, cancelled subscriber (oooooo)
I personally am a Blizzard fan. I enjoyed StarCraft and Diablo 2. I feel there is room in the MMORPG market for Blizzard to succeed. BTW, I hate to break it to you but Blizzard will NOT be directly compeating with all of SONY's titles - WoW will be compeating directly with EverQuest 2. Not with SWG. SONY , by invading the Sci-Fi MMORPG market, is positioning itself to be a successfull MMORPG company by expanding out of the super-saturated Tolkien-themed MMORPG market.
Blizzard will be putting all its eggs in it's first MMORPG release in an already over-saturated market, about to get even more over-saturated.
SWG got so many responses because of the name of Star Wars...not because they were elite.
BINGO! This has been said soooo many times by wanna-be SWG bashers. They don't know that this is an obvious truth and intention from day one back in 1999 when the SWG forums first when up LOLOL! SWG's intended target market is Star Wars F-A-N-S FIRST. SW fans who have never played a MMORPG before.
People are leaving in drones because the game sucks so people are seeing past the glamorous license title
I've seen Drones in Anarchy Online. I didn't know in Real Life people can travel around in them.
It is your opinion why people who leave SWG, leave. Only they know for sure. Like I said, as long as SWG never has less than 100,000 accounts which is the industry standard for a successfull MMORPG, then SWG will continue to be a phenominal success.
BTW, most people leave SWG because they are too used to Tolkien-themed MMORPGs, and many more find out they are NOT the intended target market for SWG.
If you are going to resort to calling Raph names, and making insulting personal attacks and remarks on him and about him, then my comment is right comparing his personal accomplishments to your personal accomplishments.
Please show me where I could Raph a "name" or insulting personal attacks against him. If he can't do a job right, then he can't do a job right. Also, please show me where I was comparing his personal "accomplishments" to mine? Stop posting jibberish that you can't back up.
BTW, you are right, you do not know. Because your information is incorrect. Raph is not in charge of all MMORPGs (LOL).
I am talking about with SOE. (LOL)
Exactly my point! Wrong forum. Wrong thread to dredge up. Wrong thread to bump.
Also, he is heading up development for SOE
Number doesnt dictate a quality game. Besides, if you want to unravel you're so called subscription 300K plus numbers again, be my guest. Many people proved you wrong, it'll only happen again.
2. Name one single person who has proved me wrong?
You don't want me to go there. I can think of at least half a dozen and plus it doesn't take a degree in Rocket Science to tell us you're wrong. Anyone who's played it will laugh in your face if you mentioned that 300,000 people are playing SWG tidbit
Secondly, Lineage 1 have over 1 million subscribers...so I guess that blew your little "if Lineage or WoW will have half their subscribers" comment out of the water
3. Many SWG bashers when presented with FACTs and proof (after they theirselves post no facts or proof of their claims)
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black
simply choose to ignore the FACTs, or outright claim the Press, Media, LucasArts, and SONY are all outright Liars.
And yes, we have pretty much said SOE are a bunch of liars...with proof
I love telling them "why stop with SWG? Then EQ is being lied about! Knights of the Old Republic and all other LucasArts games are being lied aobut!" They respond with silence heheh.
Where did that come from? Is KoToR developed by SOE? no. Did Raph Koster head up Kotor...no. SOE lied about SWG subscription numbers (as yet again, we have proven).
- WoW will be compeating directly with EverQuest 2. Not with SWG. SONY , by invading the Sci-Fi MMORPG market, is positioning itself to be a successfull MMORPG company by expanding out of the super-saturated Tolkien-themed MMORPG market.
Yes, i think people will agree with that. Reread my original post
MMORPG release in an already over-saturated market, about to get even more over-saturated.
Yup, thats why you'll see SWG drop even lower
SWG's intended target market is Star Wars F-A-N-S FIRST. SW fans who have never played a MMORPG before.
Yup, and they failed horribly. Both MMORPG veterans hate the game and Star War fans alike.
It is your opinion why people who leave SWG, leave. Only they know for sure. Like I said, as long as SWG never has less than 100,000 accounts which is the industry standard for a successfull MMORPG, then SWG will continue to be a phenominal success.
Its less than 100,000 accounts now
BTW, most people leave SWG because they are too used to Tolkien-themed MMORPGs, and many more find out they are NOT the intended target market for SWG.
Wrong. Many people I talked to or heard the reasons why they quit was that they were sci-fi fans (Ex AO members), Star Wars Fans, or people whowanted to see what it was like to see the Star Wars Universed lived out. I'm pretty sure those that bought the game was prepared to have characters that wouldnt run around with swords and battleaxes (even though they have em) and cast magic missiles
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
You don't want me to go there. I can think of at least half a dozen and plus it doesn't take a degree in Rocket Science to tell us you're wrong. Anyone who's played it will laugh in your face if you mentioned that 300,000 people are playing SWG tidbit
Hey, laugh all you want. I and the rest of us Star Wars fans will keep on having fun. I am not here to entice you to come back to playing SWG. My sole reason for posting here is to cut down on the false information about SWG being posted.
Secondly, Lineage 1 have over 1 million subscribers...so I guess that blew your little "if Lineage or WoW will have half their subscribers" comment out of the water
*sigh*
Here you go lying again. This is your most blatant lie ever too. My quote is on the page right before this one LOL! In my quote I said :
"If Lineage 2 and WoW get even half of the number of accounts SWG has, they both will be looked on as bona fid successfull MMORPGs"
Your lying just gets worse and worse. Your speading of false information just gets worse and worse.
3. Many SWG bashers when presented with FACTs and proof (after they theirselves post no facts or proof of their claims)
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black
Sounds like you are still in denial. I've already caught some false information about SWG being posted, from how much it cost to be made, to how many servers it has, to how long its been out, to how many accounts it has, and more.
Proof of this quote of mine is your next statement.....
simply choose to ignore the FACTs, or outright claim the Press, Media, LucasArts, and SONY are all outright Liars.
And yes, we have pretty much said SOE are a bunch of liars...with proof
LucasArts has ALSO backed SONY's statements for number of accounts SWG has. As well as other press. If you call SONY a liar, then you are also calling LucasArts liars, and other major press liars.
I love telling them "why stop with SWG? Then EQ is being lied about! Knights of the Old Republic and all other LucasArts games are being lied aobut!" They respond with silence heheh.
Where did that come from? Is KoToR developed by SOE? no. Did Raph Koster head up Kotor...no. SOE lied about SWG subscription numbers (as yet again, we have proven).
*sigh*
You keep saying SONY are liars. LucasArts has BACKED UP the statements made by SONY. Thus if you call SONY liars, you are calling LucasArts liars.
Also if you are calling SONY liars when they talk about SWG, then why stop? Why are you afraid to say SONY is also lying about EQ? PS?
If you are calling LucasArts liars when they talk about SWG, then why stop? Why are you afraid to say they are lying to the press about KOTOR, Jedi Outcast, and the rest of their games?
Yup, and they failed horribly. Both MMORPG veterans hate the game and Star War fans alike.
This is just a sad statement you make. You are now saying MMORPG vets H-A-T-E SWG and H-A-T-E Star Wars fans. Very sad of you to make such a flaming, trolling comment.
SWG was never intended for MMORPG veterans, hardcore players, powergamers, and people with no life. It was intended first for SW fans who have never played a MMORPG before. And I, and other SW fans could care less if "MMORPG veterans hate the game and SW fans alike." Us SW fans are having fun playing a successfull game.
Its less than 100,000 accounts now
Post your proof of this? When was the last time you played SWG? If it was not during Febuary then you cannot say "now."
Wrong. Many people I talked to or heard the reasons why they quit was that they were sci-fi fans (Ex AO members),
Funny thing is... I play both AO and SWG. AO did not suffer major losses so there is no way SWG was full of "ex-AO members". AO in fact has grown, adding yet another new server.
Of course, no matter how many people "you talked to" it is no where close to a representation of the number of players who play, or who have left.
Star Wars Fans, or people whowanted to see what it was like to see the Star Wars Universed lived out.
The game is still successfull. Thus its target audiance, SW fans, are more content than discontent. Its target audiance is not "leaving in drones... er... droves."
I'm pretty sure those that bought the game was prepared to have characters that wouldnt run around with swords and battleaxes (even though they have em) and cast magic missiles
Read the EQ and EQ2 forums at various OTHER MAJOR game sites. The majority of ex-SWG players complained about how they could not get into a Sci-Fi type setting. They were too used to Swords and melee ruling combat.
X, please stop posting replies which are 5 thousand miles long. I don't have the time or energy to sort through your posts.
You know, X, I was going to reply to each of your statements, but I really don't feel like it. Anything that I say will be ignored or I will be told to post proof of my statements. Why don't you post links in your threads as proof. The only proof I see in your threads is the links showing you playing the game.
You are saying that we are calling SOE and Lucasarts liars. I am calling them liars. Most companies will lie about their bottom line to make the stocks go up. Companies don't care about the customers, they only care about stockholders and the current price of their stock. But you act like you have complete faith in these two companies. Are you naive?
Everything that SOE told me about patches, profession fixes, and just about everything in the game was false. It's all marketing. Why should I believe them about the subscription numbers? IMO, Lucasarts has no idea how many subscribers there are, SOE controls the info flow. SOE, since they lied to me, has absolutely no credibility. Did you play EQ, X? Didn't they lie about many things in that game as well?
EDIT:
How long have you been playing SWG, X?
/deepbow
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Conjurer on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
You are saying that we are calling SOE and Lucasarts liars. I am calling them liars. Most companies will lie about their bottom line to make the stocks go up. Companies don't care about the customers, they only care about stockholders and the current price of their stock. But you act like you have complete faith in these two companies. Are you naive?
Everything that SOE told me about patches, profession fixes, and just about everything in the game was false. It's all marketing. Why should I believe them about the subscription numbers? IMO, Lucasarts has no idea how many subscribers there are, SOE controls the info flow. SOE, since they lied to me, has absolutely no credibility. Did you play EQ, X? Didn't they lie about many things in that game as well?
How long have you been playing SWG, X?
Amen. Companies do lie about figures. Heck, look at ENRON and MCI telecom as two examples.
Also, I have been playing SWG from firts week of May to November and I can say first hand SOE had lied about so many things when it came to gameplay, patches, etc. Heck, I even remember one guy spent 2 months looking for Luke Skywalker everywhere.
He posted his frustration in a thread and Q-3pO (Kevin) stated that Luke was there and he just had to look harder. He mentioned this about Ackbar as well. Well, wouldn't you know; they weren't added until the first week of October (or possibly last week of September). We could go on and on and on with the false promises. LOL, I wont even go into the fact that SOE took out the Jedi code with the first hotfix patch....although u could probably find it on google if you looked hard enough
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
X, please stop posting replies which are 5 thousand miles long. I don't have the time or energy to sort through your posts.
Hey now, my posts are only 4 thousand miles long. Think of all the eye exercise you're getting! Such is the seriousness of my intent to make sure no more false information about SWG remains unchallenged, and that all SWG bashers are legitimate players who have played SWG in the first place. And who have recently played SWG.
You know, X, I was going to reply to each of your statements, but I really don't feel like it. Anything that I say will be ignored or I will be told to post proof of my statements.
Now look at that. You are complaining about being challenged to post proof to back up your statements. For you to have gotten the information you stated - you had to have gotten it from somewhere? You didn't make any of it up right?
Why don't you post links in your threads as proof. The only proof I see in your threads is the links showing you playing the game.
Thank you for finally, finally, admitting I have posted some form of proof. The other tons and tons of proof I have posted across the treads that are in page 1 of this here forum. Maybe if I post them in my sig over and over 1,000 times then you and others will finally admit to seeing hit.
You are saying that we are calling SOE and Lucasarts liars. I am calling them liars. Most companies will lie about their bottom line to make the stocks go up. Companies don't care about the customers, they only care about stockholders and the current price of their stock. But you act like you have complete faith in these two companies. Are you naive?
SOE has been around for more than 5 years. Its parent company has been around for decades. At no time have they faced criminal charges for falsely showing how much money they make, or how many player accounts they have.
LucasArts have been around for decades. At no time have they faced criminal charges for falsly showing how much money they are making, or how many player accounts they have.
BTW, LucasArts, their lawyers, and the Flannel One Himself , are also Policing SOE/SONY. Makes it much harder for SONY to even think about lying.
Everything that SOE told me about patches, profession fixes, and just about everything in the game was false. It's all marketing. Why should I believe them about the subscription numbers? IMO, Lucasarts has no idea how many subscribers there are, SOE controls the info flow. SOE, since they lied to me, has absolutely no credibility. Did you play EQ, X? Didn't they lie about many things in that game as well?
All your opinion. And it is yours to keep. SWG is a successfull game. SWG has opened even more new servers. EQ is also a successfull game. EQ is also still adding more new servers.
EDIT:
How long have you been playing SWG, X?
I have been following SWG right after its official forums opened back in November 1999. I have been playing SWG from day one back at the end of June 2003, all the way to present time. The first 6 months I had 2 accounts, both of which I pre-ordered/reserved and paid in full before release, from GameSpot to make sure I would get a copy of SWG.
I have been playing EQ off and on for over 1 year solid. And am looking forward to EQ2.
/deepbow
bows back. There how do ya like that?
MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Conjurer on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
I plan to check out Horizons in a few months.
Quick question, is the character creation in Horizions done using slider bars (Like in SWG?) Are characters 100% customizeable just like they are in SWG?
(This won't affect my decision to try Horizions later on.)
Amen. Companies do lie about figures. Heck, look at ENRON and MCI telecom as two examples.
Exactly, and no matter how much they lied, Mr. Reality could not be lied to and they both went belly up. In addition those involved in the lying are facing criminal charges.
Also, I have been playing SWG from firts week of May to November and I can say first hand SOE had lied about so many things when it came to gameplay, patches, etc. Heck, I even remember one guy spent 2 months looking for Luke Skywalker everywhere.
LOL I met Luke the first month I played. I was a Neutral so didn't care.
He posted his frustration in a thread and Q-3pO (Kevin) stated that Luke was there and he just had to look harder. He mentioned this about Ackbar as well. Well, wouldn't you know; they weren't added until the first week of October (or possibly last week of September). We could go on and on and on with the false promises. LOL, I wont even go into the fact that SOE took out the Jedi code with the first hotfix patch....although u could probably find it on google if you looked hard enough
Correction, Ackbar, Luke, and other famous NPCs were in game at launch. But the QUESTS relating to them were added later. Many of the QUESTS relating to them were either incompleated, or broken, or bugged.
LOL I met Luke the first month I played. I was a Neutral so didn't care.
LOL, stop your fibbing. It's common knowledge they added Luke Skywalker in the Second Cries of Alderaan patch.
Correction, Ackbar, Luke, and other famous NPCs were in game at launch. But the QUESTS relating to them were added later. Many of the QUESTS relating to them were either incompleated, or broken, or bugged.
True, the QUESTS were bugged (and many still were when I left). However, Luke and Ackbar was not in the game until the patch I recently mentioned was added.
If the forums over there are still up, do a search of Thedanceman reloaded. He buggered the Moderators about this until they banned him for three days. He saw Luke was added in the test servers (while testing the Warren patch) and Luke was in the Temple, however he was not in the live game servers. We had an entire PA expedition to see him after Dancemanreloaded showed an mpeg video of luke from the test centers. Lo and behold, we were at the same exact coordinates in the live servers and he wasn't there.
After the patch he was as was Ackbar. Luke and Ackbar was not in the game until the Warren Patch. That is a common knowledge
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Ok, you have your opinion on SWG/SOE/LucasArts and I have mine, X.
As to your question about HZ:
Yes, it does have a slider system like SWG. But the customization options are much less than SWG, unless they have changed it since I made my main character. IMO, SWG has it all over Horizons or any other game in character creation.
(Wait a sec, did I just say that SWG ruled something??)
EDIT:
I'm almost positive they added Ackbar and Luke when En1gma says. I remember the first several months, no one on the official forums could find them. Then the devs came out and said they fixed the quests and location of Luke and Ackbar.
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MAKANE (Horizons: Malakye Revan - Conjurer on Bounty) Lords of Stonekeep
LOL I met Luke the first month I played. I was a Neutral so didn't care.
LOL, stop your fibbing. It's common knowledge they added Luke Skywalker in the Second Cries of Alderaan patch.
Umm, oh yeah, they have all the famous Imperials in the game at launch but none of the Rebels? Riiight. Like I said the NPCs were in the game, but not the quests and missions relating to them. There is something else too that SWG has that no other MMORPG has -
The NPCs move around. I might see Luke in Coronet on Corellia. You go there 8 hours later and he is gone never to be seen there again. Someone else will then see Luke on Tantooine in Mos Espa. The next day Luke can be in Bestine. 1 week later Luke could be on Endor. NPCs are not always in the same spot all the time ..... like in EQ for example.
True, the QUESTS were bugged (and many still were when I left). However, Luke and Ackbar was not in the game until the patch I recently mentioned was added.
I fully agree the quests/missions for the major NPCs were bugged, incompleated, etc....
And again, the major NPCs move around. Vader, Luke, Emperor, Ackbar, etc.... many are still looking for Mon Mothma after a few who found Ackbar hears Ackbar mention her.
If the forums over there are still up, do a search of Thedanceman reloaded. He buggered the Moderators about this until they banned him for three days. He saw Luke was added in the test servers (while testing the Warren patch) and Luke was in the Temple, however he was not in the live game servers. We had an entire PA expedition to see him after Dancemanreloaded showed an mpeg video of luke from the test centers. Lo and behold, we were at the same exact coordinates in the live servers and he wasn't there.
I know about this. I've lurked the fourms heh. But I play as Neutral so I never posted on that subject because the Rebel scum and Empire don't affect me.
After the patch he was as was Ackbar. Luke and Ackbar was not in the game until the Warren Patch. That is a common knowledge
I disagree. I do agree the MISSIONS and QUESTS relating to them were not done, compleated, de-bugged, until recently. And in the opionions of many, still need more work.
Whatever the case is, I am sure you and I can agree that as of right now Febuary 2004, Luke as been sighted, Ackbar has been sighted, Vader has been sighted, Emperor has been sighted, Mon Mothma has been hinted at. And more work still needs to be done on the missions/quests relating to the major NPCs.
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I think the winner of this off-topic discussion will be the one who goes back and deletes any and all of their posts that are off-topic.
...but back to the topic at hand...
I got into the beta for SWG. I thought I had been delivered by God. Then I got there and realized, "wait, this isn't gamer's heaven". I was utterly disappointed. I heard rumors that the game engine would be this or that... They used a game engine that was meant for a fantasy game and put it to a sci-fi game. It was ridiculous. The little cross-hairs looking thing that you saw in the center of many of the screenshots was nothing more than a cursor. And when that first little critter made it all the way up to me while I blasted it with my little pea-shooter, and it was biting my ankles, and I didn't get a message saying, "you're too close to use that" or something to that effect, and I just kept blasting it while it bit my ankles... I was so angry... I had just gotten done beta testing Planetside, and I was so psyched up for SWG, I freaked out and did a little dance when I got the beta invite for it. Then I got in, and it was EQ all over again. Everything was so buggy, I can't even say how many messages I sent in on bug reports. The game was released LOOONG before it should have been released, and even so, the game had no potential to be good because of the mechanics. it was just pure terrible. I didn't even survive the beta test. I couldn't stand to play the game even for free.
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You obviously have a very visceral reaction to reasonable criticism of SOE as a company and SWG as a product.
Leadership positions are earned and the loss of leadership position is also earned.
SOE has treated customers horribly and is now paying the expected price: This game is unraveling and the company's reputation is taking a well deserved gut punch.
The monopoly is over. True competition is here and more is coming. The best overall execution of the MMORPG concept will win the day, and SOE is well on its way towards earning its way right out of the top spot.
Whining about it won't change a thing.
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You're right about that one, X.
Beta was completley different than it is now. The game had gotten noticably worse
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
BUMP
Did anyone try that free reactivation SOE just had? This game just slides further into crap-dom. I started as a beta tester, and finally threw in the towel last November. Balance issues and game mechanics have plagued SWG throughout. PvP system was absolute trash, mostly due to aforementioned balance issues. Utterly terrible customer service. Only players left are kids that just want to play a Star Wars game. This one has me afraid that EQII is going this direction too.
*prays its a different dev team*
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People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Its a different DEV team, but the same guy who was instrumental in screwing up SWG (Raph Koster) is heading up all mmorpgs, I believe.
That's why I am staying away from all SOE mmorpgs. There's plenty of better fantasy mmorpgs coming out such as Lineage2 and World or Warcraft.
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Its a different DEV team, but the same guy who was instrumental in screwing up SWG (Raph Koster) is heading up all mmorpgs, I believe.
That's why I am staying away from all SOE mmorpgs. There's plenty of better fantasy mmorpgs coming out such as Lineage2 and World or Warcraft.
You could only wish you will accomplish anything near what Raph has accomplished.
And why do you post something..... then discredit what you post by saying "...I believe"?
AKA.....
You are not sure. You don't really know.
BTW, you are right, you do not know. Because your information is incorrect. Raph is not in charge of all MMORPGs (LOL).
If Lin2 and WoW get even half of the number of accounts SWG has, they both will be outstanding successes.
Keep this bumped, necro-posted topic on subject. About SONY.
Not about Lin 2, WoW, or EQ2, or SWG...... ah yes... this bumped topic can be said to be really off topic. It is not directly about SWG. But is about SONY the company. Let this topic fade back down into the abyss where it already naturally faded because there was nothing worthwhile to add.
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X, please stop posting replies which are 5 thousand miles long. I don't have the time or energy to sort through your posts.
You know, X, I was going to reply to each of your statements, but I really don't feel like it. Anything that I say will be ignored or I will be told to post proof of my statements. Why don't you post links in your threads as proof. The only proof I see in your threads is the links showing you playing the game.
You are saying that we are calling SOE and Lucasarts liars. I am calling them liars. Most companies will lie about their bottom line to make the stocks go up. Companies don't care about the customers, they only care about stockholders and the current price of their stock. But you act like you have complete faith in these two companies. Are you naive?
Everything that SOE told me about patches, profession fixes, and just about everything in the game was false. It's all marketing. Why should I believe them about the subscription numbers? IMO, Lucasarts has no idea how many subscribers there are, SOE controls the info flow. SOE, since they lied to me, has absolutely no credibility. Did you play EQ, X? Didn't they lie about many things in that game as well?
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How long have you been playing SWG, X?
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MAKANE
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Amen. Companies do lie about figures. Heck, look at ENRON and MCI telecom as two examples.
Also, I have been playing SWG from firts week of May to November and I can say first hand SOE had lied about so many things when it came to gameplay, patches, etc. Heck, I even remember one guy spent 2 months looking for Luke Skywalker everywhere.
He posted his frustration in a thread and Q-3pO (Kevin) stated that Luke was there and he just had to look harder. He mentioned this about Ackbar as well. Well, wouldn't you know; they weren't added until the first week of October (or possibly last week of September). We could go on and on and on with the false promises. LOL, I wont even go into the fact that SOE took out the Jedi code with the first hotfix patch....although u could probably find it on google if you looked hard enough
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LOL...
Ok, you have your opinion on SWG/SOE/LucasArts and I have mine, X.
As to your question about HZ:
Yes, it does have a slider system like SWG. But the customization options are much less than SWG, unless they have changed it since I made my main character. IMO, SWG has it all over Horizons or any other game in character creation.
(Wait a sec, did I just say that SWG ruled something??)
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I'm almost positive they added Ackbar and Luke when En1gma says. I remember the first several months, no one on the official forums could find them. Then the devs came out and said they fixed the quests and location of Luke and Ackbar.
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