Originally posted by Tinybina Originally posted by Michke Originally posted by Tinybina Originally posted by angerr
is that what the topic was about? or was it can a game survive without pvp? GG thanks for playing
Try to avoid the question alittle harder next time.. When you wanna man up and answer what was asked of you.. Holla at me.
I'll rephrase the question to stay on topic for you Tiny, Name three PvE only titles that were cancelled. I'm willing to bet you can't do that either.
EnB UXO Horizons- Artifact Entertainment just filed for Bankruptcy, yeah thats surviving.. Wonder whats comming next.... And miss me with the crap about staying on topic. Threads all over this forums constantly go from one thing to another, Atleast im keeping it in context with what its all about. Thanks for playing BTW Your up Angerr. Answer the question!
i did answer you, I DON'T CARE i don't really care that you feel you need to switch up the topic because you have been proven wrong, that is sad. why don't you "man up" and admit a game can and has been successful without pvp?
and i said i am not arguing that pve games are more successful, i don't believe that and for you to turn around the argument and pretend that I'm arguing that is just stupid.
i don't believe pve games are more successful that pvp games, i don't think more games than even everquest have been successful that are pve, and i don't care. all i know is i did indeed play a pve game and it was successful and thats what i was responding to.
so w/e man keep arguing something that I'm not even trying to argue and keep ignoring the topic you started. and keep believing no game can survive without pvp as a mainstay, even though they already have survived.
Horizons- Artifact Entertainment just filed for Bankruptcy, yeah thats surviving.. Wonder whats comming next....
And miss me with the crap about staying on topic. Threads all over this forums constantly go from one thing to another, Atleast im keeping it in context with what its all about. Thanks for playing BTW
Your up Angerr. Answer the question
AE did file for bankruptcy, a year and a half ago, there were some long topics about the ethics, involved, about how legitimate they were.
Long story short. AE is gone, new company here and Horizons is not cancelled, nor likely to be any time soon. I don't considered it successfull at all, but it is surviving, so you list is wrong. Need to name another one.
Venge Sunsoar
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
and keep believing no game can survive without pvp as a mainstay, even though they already have survived.
You keep trying to put words in my mouth boy to make you arguement and im sick of it. When did I once say that PVP needs to be the "MAINSTAY" in order for it to survive... Go back and read my original post and ever post after that..... Better yet I'll make it easy for you ill quote my damn self. "Just like PVE, PVP needs to be included in your games. Its a must."
Every time you respond to my post you pull crap out your other mouth. To try prove your foolish points. Once agian your wrong, since we all know that games that have PVP as the Mainstay fail just like ones that have PVE as the mainstay.
To the poster above me if a game companys developers had to file for bankruptcy 10 times out of 10 that usually means there in DEBT, which means that they did not make enough money to pay there bills so you have to go pleading with the government to give you a break. If you wanna make the case that its still surviving go right ahead, I guess the same can be said for some of these games around here that are asking for donations to stay alive as well, there surviving too... I wont mention any names but if you do some searching you can find it. If thats surviving to you then perhaps you would be better off dead. And since I atleast came up with some games why dont you try to give me some since angere keeps avoiding the question?
AC2 went to another developer and we saw what happened to it.. Its only a matter of time for Horizons, mark my words its standing on its last legs.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by amappala For most PvP mmorpg, it is a extremely hard game for a late subscriber.A newbie is like a sheep to be slaughtered by the high level old timers.
If this game is done right its not a problem, if it is based on player skill. In Asheron's Call a level 50 mage could take down a level 125 mage if he was skilled enough. I believe this was the case with archers as well, but not melee's. In darkfall online the combat will be twitch based, so a newbie can take down an old timer, it will be based on skill.
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe A Tale in the DesertOzThereSecond LifeAll going strong and none of them are built around (or even with) PvP in mind. GG thanks for playing.
Two or Three of those games are virtual chatrooms. In second life there are many minigames which are considered PvP. In there you can shoot people with your paintball gun, PvP again. Not sure about Oz, and ATITD doesn't even have combat, how can it have PvP?
In second life there are many minigames which are considered PvP. In there you can shoot people with your paintball gun, PvP again
Ahhhhh, but were those PvP areas not created by the PLAYERS and NOT THE DEVELOPERS? If you've ever played SL, you'd also note that there were more casinos and nightclubs than paintball fields and boxing rings.
and ATITD doesn't even have combat, how can it have PvP?
I'm going to ignore the fact that you can't understand the concept of compitition outside of violence. The fact that ATitD is SURVIVING and HAS NO PVP proves that your point is invalid. GG thanx for playing.
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe Scottc wrote: In second life there are many minigames which are considered PvP. In there you can shoot people with your paintball gun, PvP again Ahhhhh, but were those PvP areas not created by the PLAYERS and NOT THE DEVELOPERS? If you've ever played SL, you'd also note that there were more casinos and nightclubs than paintball fields and boxing rings. and ATITD doesn't even have combat, how can it have PvP? I'm going to ignore the fact that you can't understand the concept of compitition outside of violence. The fact that ATitD is SURVIVING and HAS NO PVP proves that your point is invalid. GG thanx for playing.
LOL what a joke as are the games you mentioned and as the poster said above me most of the games you mentioned are chatrooms...I guess these MMORPG's that ask people to donate money are surviving in your mind as well...Funny looking at your list and then mine.. Mine was games that had pretty big freaking followings, yours are chatrooms and/or rather small time if even that games.
It's my fault really I should have titled this thread "Thou cannot make it big in the MMORPG world without PVP"... My error let the fools slip in with there BS examples of games that have a total population of 200 people or live chat rooms.
Doesnt matter really cause reality is (even though alot of you PVE and PVP allstars want to think otherwise) that the games with MASSIVE populations will have both.
Also one more thing Jimmy_Scythe excluding the live chatrooms/games) you posted (which was a complete joke) how are the other games MMORPG's? Expecially when when the first word in MMORPG is MASSIVE
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
LOL what a joke as are the games you mentioned and as the poster said above me most of the games you mentioned are chatrooms...
And EQ is different in what way? I can technically play DnD over Yahoo messenger. Is OpenRPG a game or a chatroom? Yeah, thanx for being anal about semantics without providing definitions.
It's my fault really I should have titled this thread "Thou cannot make it big in the MMORPG world without PVP"...
The important thing is that you were man enough to admit you were wrong.... sort of.....
Doesnt matter really cause reality is (even though alot of you PVE and PVP allstars want to think otherwise) that the games with MASSIVE populations will have both.
Speaking of definitions, at what point does a game become "massive"? Can a game be massive with 1,000 players on a server or does it have to have over a million? Compared to WoW, Eve Online can hardly consider itself massive.
As for Massive games having both..... you can't please all the people all the time. The games with the largest populations will also have the lowest common denominator in terms of gameplay, maturity, and content. Your attitude alone is proof of that.
Also one more thing Jimmy_Scythe excluding the live chatrooms/games) you posted (which was a complete joke) how are the other games MMORPG's? Expecially when when the first word in MMORPG is MASSIVE
And back to the definition of massive. If you consider 1,000+ players on a server "massive", then they are all massive. And they must be making money or they wouldn't still be in business. A Tale in the Desert and Second Life have being in business for years now. And yes, I think that there is a very, very large market for a purely social MMO.
You see Tiny, you can sprint to a goal and reap short term rewards, or you can walk to a goal and reap long term rewards. The games you list are the sprinters. They have a run of five years or less and then it's time to make a sequel or sink. The games I list are meant to be played forever. You can get $15 a month from 500,000 players for two years, or you can take $10 a month from 10,000 players for 20 years. It's all a matter of perspective. When you grow up, you'll understand.
Baby bull: "Hey papa, let's run down to that herd a cows down there, fuck a couple of em and run back!"
Papa bull: "No son. Let's WALK down there and fuck 'em all"
Wow just a bunch of talk without saying much. I can see why you know about chatline games like There.
God im tired of this and this thread, the proof is there the games you mentioned hardly anyone even knows and most can hardly be considered a MMORPG due to the fact that hardly anyone even plays them. Eve online is a MMORPG and is MASSIVE, the fact that they hold the RECORD for the most people online on ONE SERVER is proof of that fact alone turbo.
Your little crap about something sprinting out the gates blah blah blah and making alot of money blah blah blah but dying out in 5 years blah and not being as successfull of as somone walking out the gateand reaching some longterm goal is foolish and comical. This is the video game market hero not the stock market.
Lets see if I had a chance to invest my money in two game Companys what would I pick... The company that develops WOW or the company that develops A Tale in the Desert... HMMMM... Comical. If you think that people will be playing OZ, There, A Tale in the Desert "Forever" as you put it, your as about as foolish as your post. And when you GROW up maybe you will understand money alittle better little man.
Going by your stupid logic I should be able to make more money then Roy Jones JR. in the long run with my little 17hr job, yeah maybe if I live to be 500.
The END. Hopefully of this thread as well.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Tiny, how old are you? Seriously. I understood these simple concepts when I was 15. You can't possibly be this dense. Business is business, whether you're selling toasters or TIVOs.
Personally, I don't think you really give a rat's ass about the thread you started. You're trolling for attention, and I'm through giving it to you. When you act like an adult, I'll treat you like one. Until then, you can play by (with) yourself.
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is that what the topic was about? or was it can a game survive without pvp? GG thanks for playing
Try to avoid the question alittle harder next time.. When you wanna man up and answer what was asked of you.. Holla at me.
I'll rephrase the question to stay on topic for you Tiny, Name three PvE only titles that were cancelled. I'm willing to bet you can't do that either.
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Horizons- Artifact Entertainment just filed for Bankruptcy, yeah thats surviving.. Wonder whats comming next....
And miss me with the crap about staying on topic. Threads all over this forums constantly go from one thing to another, Atleast im keeping it in context with what its all about. Thanks for playing BTW
Your up Angerr. Answer the question!
i did answer you, I DON'T CARE i don't really care that you feel you need to switch up the topic because you have been proven wrong, that is sad. why don't you "man up" and admit a game can and has been successful without pvp?
and i said i am not arguing that pve games are more successful, i don't believe that and for you to turn around the argument and pretend that I'm arguing that is just stupid.
i don't believe pve games are more successful that pvp games, i don't think more games than even everquest have been successful that are pve, and i don't care. all i know is i did indeed play a pve game and it was successful and thats what i was responding to.
so w/e man keep arguing something that I'm not even trying to argue and keep ignoring the topic you started. and keep believing no game can survive without pvp as a mainstay, even though they already have survived.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
You keep trying to put words in my mouth boy to make you arguement and im sick of it. When did I once say that PVP needs to be the "MAINSTAY" in order for it to survive... Go back and read my original post and ever post after that..... Better yet I'll make it easy for you ill quote my damn self. "Just like PVE, PVP needs to be included in your games. Its a must."
Every time you respond to my post you pull crap out your other mouth. To try prove your foolish points. Once agian your wrong, since we all know that games that have PVP as the Mainstay fail just like ones that have PVE as the mainstay.
To the poster above me if a game companys developers had to file for bankruptcy 10 times out of 10 that usually means there in DEBT, which means that they did not make enough money to pay there bills so you have to go pleading with the government to give you a break. If you wanna make the case that its still surviving go right ahead, I guess the same can be said for some of these games around here that are asking for donations to stay alive as well, there surviving too... I wont mention any names but if you do some searching you can find it. If thats surviving to you then perhaps you would be better off dead. And since I atleast came up with some games why dont you try to give me some since angere keeps avoiding the question?
AC2 went to another developer and we saw what happened to it.. Its only a matter of time for Horizons, mark my words its standing on its last legs.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
If this game is done right its not a problem, if it is based on player skill. In Asheron's Call a level 50 mage could take down a level 125 mage if he was skilled enough. I believe this was the case with archers as well, but not melee's. In darkfall online the combat will be twitch based, so a newbie can take down an old timer, it will be based on skill.
A Tale in the Desert
Oz
There
Second Life
All going strong and none of them are built around (or even with) PvP in mind. GG thanks for playing.
Two or Three of those games are virtual chatrooms. In second life there are many minigames which are considered PvP. In there you can shoot people with your paintball gun, PvP again. Not sure about Oz, and ATITD doesn't even have combat, how can it have PvP?
Scottc wrote:
In second life there are many minigames which are considered PvP. In there you can shoot people with your paintball gun, PvP again
Ahhhhh, but were those PvP areas not created by the PLAYERS and NOT THE DEVELOPERS? If you've ever played SL, you'd also note that there were more casinos and nightclubs than paintball fields and boxing rings.
and ATITD doesn't even have combat, how can it have PvP?
I'm going to ignore the fact that you can't understand the concept of compitition outside of violence. The fact that ATitD is SURVIVING and HAS NO PVP proves that your point is invalid. GG thanx for playing.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Tinybina wrote:
LOL what a joke as are the games you mentioned and as the poster said above me most of the games you mentioned are chatrooms...
And EQ is different in what way? I can technically play DnD over Yahoo messenger. Is OpenRPG a game or a chatroom? Yeah, thanx for being anal about semantics without providing definitions.
It's my fault really I should have titled this thread "Thou cannot make it big in the MMORPG world without PVP"...
The important thing is that you were man enough to admit you were wrong.... sort of.....
Doesnt matter really cause reality is (even though alot of you PVE and PVP allstars want to think otherwise) that the games with MASSIVE populations will have both.
Speaking of definitions, at what point does a game become "massive"? Can a game be massive with 1,000 players on a server or does it have to have over a million? Compared to WoW, Eve Online can hardly consider itself massive.
As for Massive games having both..... you can't please all the people all the time. The games with the largest populations will also have the lowest common denominator in terms of gameplay, maturity, and content. Your attitude alone is proof of that.
Also one more thing Jimmy_Scythe excluding the live chatrooms/games) you posted (which was a complete joke) how are the other games MMORPG's? Expecially when when the first word in MMORPG is MASSIVE
And back to the definition of massive. If you consider 1,000+ players on a server "massive", then they are all massive. And they must be making money or they wouldn't still be in business. A Tale in the Desert and Second Life have being in business for years now. And yes, I think that there is a very, very large market for a purely social MMO.
You see Tiny, you can sprint to a goal and reap short term rewards, or you can walk to a goal and reap long term rewards. The games you list are the sprinters. They have a run of five years or less and then it's time to make a sequel or sink. The games I list are meant to be played forever. You can get $15 a month from 500,000 players for two years, or you can take $10 a month from 10,000 players for 20 years. It's all a matter of perspective. When you grow up, you'll understand.
Baby bull: "Hey papa, let's run down to that herd a cows down there, fuck a couple of em and run back!"
Papa bull: "No son. Let's WALK down there and fuck 'em all"
Wow just a bunch of talk without saying much. I can see why you know about chatline games like There.
God im tired of this and this thread, the proof is there the games you mentioned hardly anyone even knows and most can hardly be considered a MMORPG due to the fact that hardly anyone even plays them. Eve online is a MMORPG and is MASSIVE, the fact that they hold the RECORD for the most people online on ONE SERVER is proof of that fact alone turbo.
Your little crap about something sprinting out the gates blah blah blah and making alot of money blah blah blah but dying out in 5 years blah and not being as successfull of as somone walking out the gateand reaching some longterm goal is foolish and comical. This is the video game market hero not the stock market.
Lets see if I had a chance to invest my money in two game Companys what would I pick... The company that develops WOW or the company that develops A Tale in the Desert... HMMMM... Comical. If you think that people will be playing OZ, There, A Tale in the Desert "Forever" as you put it, your as about as foolish as your post. And when you GROW up maybe you will understand money alittle better little man.
Going by your stupid logic I should be able to make more money then Roy Jones JR. in the long run with my little 17hr job, yeah maybe if I live to be 500.
The END. Hopefully of this thread as well.
------------------------------
You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Tiny, how old are you? Seriously. I understood these simple concepts when I was 15. You can't possibly be this dense. Business is business, whether you're selling toasters or TIVOs.
Personally, I don't think you really give a rat's ass about the thread you started. You're trolling for attention, and I'm through giving it to you. When you act like an adult, I'll treat you like one. Until then, you can play by (with) yourself.