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Lineage 2 looks like it's gonna make a history in MMORPG industry
higgsboson
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Not only this game offers best looking graphics amongst all the MMORPGs so far announced, Its musics are amazingly well scored.
It already started to take over Asian MMORPG market by storm. I'm really curious how this game will turn out say 2 years from now on.
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Best game I ever played! I love this game. I can't wait for it to hit North America. I like the fact that there is no level cap.. there is a point in competing... the main point of the game is to start a clan, which will become a kingdom, gain land, lay seige on other clans and take over the world. World domination and monopoly is the ultimate goal in this game. And the road to get there is really fun. While playing korean beta, it seemed like every time I turned around I would see someone with a new/different skill, or a weapon I hadn't seen before and it drove me to continue playing so I could become stronger. The graphics and music are UNBELIEVABLE compared to any other mmoprg games out there. I love this game so much. 10 out of 10.
pops
I have to agree, this game has by far the best graphics of any mmorpg out or in development with released screenshots.
WoW and EQ2 just cant compete graphically with Lineage II. I am just hoping I enjoy the gameplay as much as the graphics and sound.
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A friend of mine had his hands on the beta... (i dont know, I dont ask)
but from what I tried, there is nother special about it... no new ground breaking features, no new interesting spell system... no new nothing, its just like any other mmorpgs only you get to ride a dragon later (they put a little cart on the draogns back, it looks horrid)
the only think i belive this game has going for it is the lineage fanbase, as it has nothing interesting aside from graphisc ot pull new people in (and people get tired of games when its just graphics that attracted them)
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
To these people saying Gameplay is ALWAYS more important than graphics, musics, etc....
Since when you no longer became Graphicwhore? Huh...!?
The point is the graphics matters. It is what people judge a game with when they first see the game whether you like it or not. A lot of people don't even give a second glance to the game if they weren't pleased with what they see at the beginning. Good graphics is never detrimental to what we call the gameplay experience.
Also to that guy who said L2 seems to offer no special unique feature or whatever....
You obviously don't know what this game is about. Lineage 2 is probably the game that is more different than most of other MMORPGs that are currently available and ought to come. Lineage 2 is designed from the base up to feature Group play, not just as a bonus, but as core element of the game. Clan (10-40 ppl) vs Clan (10-40 ppl), Ally (2-3 clans) vs Ally (2-3 clans), Uber-Ally (8-10 clan) vs Uber-Ally (8-10 clans), they even have build-in gameplay rule that incorporate real-life scheduled time table for castle siege. Every Saturday or Sunday your faction has the responsability to defend your clan's castle if they were to keep it.
This is probably the only game that feature this sort of gameplay element.
Early on in the gameplay, you won't be able to tell what's so appealing about this game when all you do is slamming wolfs, orcs, etc. I've done it myself. Believe me it's tedious to repeat the same procedure over and over to get your first shinny armor or sword as a reward.
So you might wonder what's so fun in doing this seemingly primitive act of 'kill and level up" not just once but repetitively? How could such thing to be fun and addictive.
The answer is that you only got to wait a little bit. Lineage 2 made sure that all you do doesn't go in vain. When the time comes up (when you are sufficiently leveled up to play clan battle or politics), every effort you made to make you character shinny comes into effect. So everyone who play Lineage 2 open beta or P2P right now seems to keep that in the back of their mind for the large scale conflict that are to come. Everyone is running like crazy to level up faster than other so to take the lead on other when the large clan conflict ought to come.
There are already serious clan formation or clustering... one clan hating the other or bossing around and harassing on others. I've already witnessed a moment of humiliation when a party of 4 guys and girl mercilessly attacked me and my best buddy in the server warning us not to approach them and take part in their 'camp-hunting' in a spot where high-leveled monster (it was a giant spider) pop-up quite frequently (They think it will make them level-up faster).
Although I kind of felt humiliated being slaughtered by a female and her gang, I kind of liked the whole thing. This game is full of dynamism when it comes to clan-to-clan interaction. It's Live. It cannot be compared to killing just dumb-ass scripted monsters from Quest mission.
its based on teamplay is what you said, and its all about high-level game,
Graphics are good yes, but "graphics attract gamres, gameplay keeps them."
AS for new features, basing it on teamplay is not a huge revolutionary gameplay we are looking for, they all follow the same basic idea, with the same goals, and with the same ways of doing it, and its getting tedious, the lack of originality, there magic system is exactly the same as atleast a dozen other mmorpgs, and there combat system is the same a the masses.
They have graphic, korean and pk appeal, and Id like to see a battle with hundreds of people on each side like you suggest running on the average computer.. with those graphics.
Edit: we as refering ot many people who are bored with the same thing, with different graphics and a different name, wich is a growing number of gamers.
"The mmorpg market is one saturated with copies, clones and failures."
Edit: and that last quote is also, refering to the fact that MOST are just copies, and there is very originality, i was worrired peopel would take it as all mmorpgs are crap.. wich they arent...
Oh and if you like Lineage II, all the better to you, Have fun, I'm just expressing what I think of the game, my opinons may not be the same as yours, neither are wrong, they're just different.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
munki..based on teamplay is not originaly u are right about that, but its how it is done. im guessing, if your 'freind' had this game in korean beta, you didnt play it very much, how can u know it lacks originality and what 'appeal' it has?
as far as pk goes, if it has the same basic system as lineage 1, its a very good one. its not very possible for griefest to run around pk'ing people like in alot of games.
addresing the lag issue, if anyone can win the war against lag in large scale battles its this game. i downloaded the korean beta on my home comp, and my work comp. my work comp is : pentium 3 550, geforce 2 graphics card, and the game was incredibly smooth and lag free on that piece of $#@ machine.
and grouping..its not like your typical game as far as group a healer/buffer/tank/caster, its more like all out team based wars. and sieges are at a scheduled time, you have to wage the war, most of the hours will be spent while no siege is goin on, and you dont ever have to go to a siege to enjoy this game. so i would definatly not say its high lvl based, no more than any other game is.
the scheduled sieges are great, for anyonet hat played DaoC and had to sit in thier realm at extreme off hourse watching another real take all your bases becuase they decided to set thier alarms for when noone could defend can appreciate that.
the engine/graphics in this game alone, added to the fact that ive played every mmorpg u can think of and have never seen a better economy system or guild war system than lineage1 give me very high hopes for this game.
my post somehow didnt get posted, pitty it was a long one aswell but i'll still do a shorter version of it just for my 2-cents.
LINEAGE2 & MMORPG HISTORY
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Bassiclly u cannot compare the graphics from WoW and Lineage 2 they are completely different and the designers were trying to make them completely different, both dev teams have succeded.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
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comparing WoW and Lineage2 personally on /10 scales
WoW Graphics 9/10(they r damn good -1 point just because they arn't realistic n yes i do agree that they dont need to be realistic just talking about catching peoples eyes to games)
WoW Gameplay unknown but it SHOULD unless Blizzard finally stuffed up a game be very high
Lineage2 Graphics 9/10 realistic but as i said before probably due to technology not quite there for utter perfection
Lineage2 Gameplay once again probably very high.
The two companies for the dev of these games, know what they are doing they will both be brilliant games, the problem... which 1 to play?
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Oskeosuw Ionsuw
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The smart thing to do. It can be difficult though if u start playing 1 n get hooked before the other comes out, u may not want to leave the 1 to try the other, but if that happenes n u do get hooked to a game, why stop at all???
back to Lineage2 making a great mmorpg i'll quote from Mark Jacobs the president of Mythic entertainment "we intend to make Imperator the best SFMMORPG on the market and we have the time, financing and talent to back up that intent. We will create a game that incorporates both evolutionary and revolutionary aspects" ( http://camelotvault.ign.com/imperator/interviews/mbj_aug1303.shtml )
This applys to Lineage2 and.. for WoW the intent to create a great mmorpg, the time, the money and the talent.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Come on guys... the only reason why you want "realistic" looking graphics is so all you little boys can watch your half naked chick avitars run around in a thong fighting big bad monsters.... "ohh yeah, shake those uber pixels..." Your sick!
I do agree Lin2 got some great graphics but I really dig WOWs look.... unique to say the least.
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ppl.. straying a bit from the topic aren't we?
but anyways, sorry, but the topic just sounds really stupid to me.
it was a given that lineage2 would have alot of people playing, hell, I'd thought it would have just as much as EQ by now.
think.... lineage 1 had more subscribers than most of the other mmorpg's combined, of course most of them's gonna try lineage2.
Lineage is the most successful MMORPG of all time. It beat out EverQuest in it's prime. But of course that was also a sleeper game in the U.S. I dont know a lot of people that played Lineage over here.
Lineage2 on the other hand is the sequel to the bigggest MMORPG ever and I have the feeling that this time... EQ2 and Lineage2 will butt heads though, Lineage2 will probably surpass it as it is the Sequel to the biggest MMORPG around.
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WoW graphics don't even touch Lineage 2. It's like comparing Zelda:Windwaker to Halflife 2.
check the comparison, especially details in character and weapons.
WoW pic:
http://www.mmorpg.com/images/screenshots/298.jpg
Lineage 2 pic:
http://icow.com/lineage/photo/mage16.jpg
-pops
Everyone here is going by what they heard. "I heard from my friend who was in beta..." "I heard that Lineage I..."
The only actual things I can agree with is that Lineage had the highest player base worldwide. It totally swamped EverQuest. But that's because an entire 1% of the South Korean population (It doesn't sound like much, but if you think of 1% of a total population like South Korea, it's immense) plays Lineage. There are only a couple thousand active accounts on the Western servers.
But have any of you actually played Lineage 1? I played it for roughly three years, since its beta. I've seen it take many twists and turns. I've seen many ugly things the company has done to the game. Such as, implied COMPLETELY unnecessary and drastic nerfs, handed out very biased and unfair bans, and all around let us down with the same watered-down events. Read the Lineage.com forums once, and just take a look at all the people complaining.
And many of you haven't played Lineage II yet. I played it for a few months. It was mildly fun. But with the horrible lag spikes when walking through town, and the fact that everyone at the same levels had the same armor and weapons (and to add insult to injury, the same faces), I decided to stop playing. The game itself sucks, just like Lineage I. It looks pretty, but it just flat out is overly-repetitive beyond all recognition and boring. The thing that made Lineage I so great was it's community. Lineage has the BEST community in any MMORPG I have ever played. To succeed, you need to socialize.
Which is where another problem comes in. You could put hours, days, weeks, months, years into your character. But you won't be nearly as strong as the two guys who always hang around with eachother. In Lineage, it's not what you do, it's who you know. To actually have fun in this game, you'd need to join a pledge and siege castles and have wars and etc. (wars, by the way, never happen. There is no reward for wars. If there is a fight, it happens only through PvP because it allows the two sides to exploit the chaotic status of the person who first attacks them.). The castles will be held by a group of pledges, like they have been in Lineage I for about a year. You could put all the effort, the blood, the sweat, the tears into your character. But after level 30, it's all about quantity, not quality. I don't see Lineage II being any different.
Lineage I sieges are boring. No one does anything. They know that the alliance is there, and none of them are organized enough. The rich get richer (more often than not through illegal means that is overlooked by the company), and the poor quit.
Most people who are playing Lineage I say they will NOT move to Lineage II, because of the horrible company and the lame gameplay.
Graphics wise, and going by screenshots I've seen of EQ2 and my playing experience along with screenshots of Lineage II, EQ2 has Lineage II beat.
I'm not saying Lineage II will be a horrible game, but I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate here. I see all of you people praising this game, but no one is mentioning the possible downfalls of this game. But what I assume will happen, is this will be another XBox. Created by a company with a lot of cash, but it still cannot compete quality wise with the big names already accustomed to us like [Sony/Everquest].
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i hear what yer saying... I still think Lineage 2 is WAY better. like u said take the worst pic from Lineage 2, and the best from WoW... Lineage 2 still looks better. One thing, though, WoW has cooler lookin waterfalls... and underwater exploration (which is badarse!).
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