Personlly, I don't care, Jodokai. I don't hate or love games or game companies or the poor old sods who work for them. If a game pisses me off, I simply quit and find some other game to play. If there's no games I'm interested in, I do something else. I can't be arsed to take up arms and storm the Bastille over a cock-up affecting something I do for entertainment. All I'm saying is find the right person and send him a letter if that makes you feel better. If Smedley (and I do think that "Smedley" is the proper spelling) isn't the person to shout at, though he seems to have taken on that role, then I'm sure he'll forward the message to the person who is. I can't be arsed to shout at anyone, however, and I keep my spit to myself. I love discussing games and do quite often, though not from the business side of it. That's the bit about games that seems tedious to me.
I think we've both made our points enough to bore the rest of the people reading this thread.
Originally posted by porgie Uhhhmmmm... What are you talking about. I didn't bash anything. Maybe you didn't read all the posts. And that's so uncool to make personal attacks. I don't think anyone appreciates being called mindless. But I guess if you feel comfortable calling someone names then that's your personality, not mine. I'm sure they don't appreciate it, so it's a good thing I didn't call anyone mindless. I said "mindlessly bashing". "Mindlessly" is an adverb not an adjective, it describes the way the person is bashing not the person. So just to clear this up; I was defending SOE not bashing. Check page 3 for my first comment. If you weren't bashing then you couldn't have been mindlessly bashing, so I wasn't talking to you. It was really directed at Admriker who loves to come up with conspiarcy theories against SOE using half-truths and unsubstiated "facts".
You posted this comment right after someone accused me of not reading their post....
Get used to in Ranma. Anything that proves that people are just mindlessly bashing and have no idea what they're talking about just gets ignored. It's a lot easier than actually taking the time to reevaluate their thinking.
What will really start to get to you is after hundreds of posts proving how wrong they are, on your hundred and first post when you say they're wrong, the accuse you of having no facts...all the facts they chose not to read.
Following that chronology of events would lead one to think you were validating what Ranma said. Am I wrong?
Awwww, just forget it. I hate arguing over petty things. Especially with people who start playing semantical games and taking on the role of an English teacher.
Fact: I was not bashing SOE, so this took off in the wrong direction from the beginning. So let's just forget about it.
Originally posted by admriker444 SOE is the most dishonest mmo developer out there. For goodness sake they hire and use Public Relations officials to "communicate" with their player base. And what they've done with SWG recently with this NGE (New Game Enhancement) crosses the line. The one rule we all rely on with mmorpgs is they the core of the game stays the same. Why else would a player want to invest time and money in a mmorpg if the developer will toss out your work every 6 months ? People who dont play SWG may not fully realize what SOE did to us.
omfg so true it hurt's. I, myself and I will NEWER BUY a SOE MMO again.Thats for sure. They screwd us all over time and time again. I say, stay as far away from SOE product's as you possibly can. Hope the company go bankrupt and rott in hell !!! /Angry
All companies are out to make money when it comes to developing video games. You people bashing SOE are amazing sheep.
As to SWG, that game was a disaster from a perspective of what it could have been. However, my understanding (not based on any concrete evidence of course) is that alot of the problems came from a butting of heads between SOE and Lucas. SOE wanted things one way, but Lucas wanted them another and wouldn't back down. Hence this heckle and jeckle approach to gaming.
You posted this comment right after someone accused me of not reading their post.... Following that chronology of events would lead one to think you were validating what Ranma said. Am I wrong? Yes actually you are. I was using general terms, purposely not singling anyone out. Then if you read it and realize you haven't done anything I was talking about, that might have been a clue I wasn't talking about you. Awwww, just forget it. I hate arguing over petty things. Especially with people who start playing semantical games and taking on the role of an English teacher. So if I sit here and say you called me an idiot when you didn't, you'd just agree to it then? You wouldn't try to prove you didn't say it? Fact: I was not bashing SOE, so this took off in the wrong direction from the beginning. So let's just forget about it. Agreed.
Originally posted by Agricola1 I play EVE-online now, and have found that CCP doesn't enjoy crapping on thier customers. In 10 months of playing EVE I've had not one single complaint or gripe against CCP on any matter. So you're okay with people spending real life money for ingame money? If you are then cool I'm glad you're happy. If you aren't then you do have a gripe against CCP. In the one year I spent playing SWG (nearly two for my girlfriend), I was plagued with bugs and problems. Crap, sorry non-existant customer service and when I complained on the forums I got banned. I can't disagree that SWG hand TONS of bugs and the CS was horrible, but I've made numerous complaints and never been banned. I'd have to see all the facts from both sides to make a call on that. I've played a few MMORPGs, and to be honest SOE is evil. To those who say "What about Lucas Arts?", well if I saw George Lucas on the street today I'd spit in his face and maybe kick him in the happy sacks. Partly for SWG but mostly for doing a hatchet job on those prequals, and then butchering (remastering) the original episodes. I mean one camp robot was enough but ep 1-3 we've got like armies of robots that sound like Julian Clary, Lucas is evil and a twisted pervert. And I'm cool with that too. If you understand that LucasArts has equal blame reguarding SWG we're all good.
1: I've never had a problem with players selling ingame items to other players for cash via ebay or whatever method they wish. If they spent time earning that item/virtual cash then I believe it's fair enough to try and sell it, I don't have to buy it and I could always earn it myself. So I have no reason to cry about it.
CCP does not endorse selling items/accounts for real money, and if caught you will have your account banned. If you're discovered doing it again with a seperate account you may have your ISP banned. Virtual items/accounts may be bought/sold for virtual cash however, so I may buy an EVE account for ISK (virtual EVE cash).
Although SWG always turned a blind eye to ebay jedi I was never offended, since they earnt thier jedi I felt it was thiers to sell for whatever price they pleased.
2: Well I'm afraid I don't have any evidence of "not recieving any customer service". But wether you want to "make a call on that" or not, the fact remains non existant customer service and total apathy concerning fixing 18 month old game breaking bugs is what convinced me to leave SWG. I'm not sure what motivation I would have for lieing on this matter.
3: Lucas Arts came into blame for me when the NGE was released and my girlfriend went apeshit for 3 days. The only thing LA are guilty of in my opinion is not pulling in the reigns on Smedley and his posse before now. I believe they've had extremely poor judgement if they were fully aware of the NGE before it went live (and I believe they were), personally I believe they should've gone down to Austin and bitchslapped Smedley after the CU.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by admriker444 SOE is the most dishonest mmo developer out there. For goodness sake they hire and use Public Relations officials to "communicate" with their player base. And what they've done with SWG recently with this NGE (New Game Enhancement) crosses the line. The one rule we all rely on with mmorpgs is they the core of the game stays the same. Why else would a player want to invest time and money in a mmorpg if the developer will toss out your work every 6 months ? People who dont play SWG may not fully realize what SOE did to us. Therefore lets make an analogy to World of Warcraft since many play that. You play a lvl 60 Warlock in WoW. You have spent everyday since launch playing and building your toon to great power and wealth. You have all Epic Gear, the best possible on the server. You even managed to get extremely lucky and loot an Orange Staff, the best around. You've also built up quite a nice business selling cloth armor as a 300 Tailor. WoW announces an expansion with new quests and items. You decide to buy the expansion for the game because one of the promised features of this expansion is a new warlock pet from a quest in that expansion (in other words, the only way to get that pet is to buy the expansion) 2 days after the expansion is released you are shocked to read on the forums a MAJOR revamp is coming. And whats worse is its going live in 2 weeks. What it involves... 1.) Warlock will no longer exist. Devs were having a terrible time balancing so many different classes and talents so they decided to combine all cloth wearers into one lump now to be called Casters. Talents are now gone so everyone will be the same. 2.) Crafting changes - From now on it will be very easy to loot blue and purple items. The drops will be superior to any player made goods so crafters are now pointless. 3.) Changing combat to a FPS with no auto targeting. This in essence means your epic gear is worthless. Now all that matters is who can click faster and is better at aiming with their mouses. It wont matter if your wand is the highest DPS wand possible if you cant hit your target. Also there is no collision detection so mobs can shoot you through walls, hills, trees, etc and they never miss. 4.) Since the expansion is pretty much pointless now that your warlock doesnt even exist anymore, we'll offer a limited refund to a select few who bought between certain dates. We will make sure to make this process difficult so you get discouraged and not bother with it. This of course is being done to avoid any nasty lawsuits from screwing over our players. 5.) After all these changes go into effect, we'll announce a letter from the Publisher will be coming to talk about the changes coming to enhance your gameplay. Then we'll remain silent on this issue for 3 months while continuing to promise this letter is coming. We will do this to string along our players for as long as possible so we can squeeze a few more months of subcriptions out of them. Then we'll announce the game is being shut down and blame the players for this. This is pretty much what SOE has done to the players and will do soon (the coming cancellation announcement). Not to mention the lies and total mismanagement of a once great game. And why was this done....all in the name of GREED. SOE wasnt happy with 200k+ players so they revamped the game and now have less than 40k players (and falling)
hehe you should add that pets are no more too. so no warlock pets, but none other too ^^ (I read that... am not playing)
btw: I think design changes like this would NOT go without Lukas Arts "go". If I think about it, Sony had less reason to start the "overhaul" than LA did. Sony did not well with SWG, but they are pros enough to know what such a drastic change would do. They were much more careful with (far less but still) drastic changes in EQ2. what I think is that LA wanted to reach a younger, more merchendize friendly target group. The complex star wars game attracted too many "grown up" players. Sony doesnt sell any star wars items. LA does. I guess they are responsible for those changes. after all, they have great influence on any design(change) in the game
CCP does not endorse selling items/accounts for real money, and if caught you will have your account banned. If you're discovered doing it again with a seperate account you may have your ISP banned. Virtual items/accounts may be bought/sold for virtual cash however, so I may buy an EVE account for ISK (virtual EVE cash).
Actually they do support it, as long as they get their cut. You see I can buy a time card from them then sell that time card to someone else for ingame money. I'm basically paying for ingame credits, and as long as CCP gets the profit they're cool with that. EDIT: I forgot to comment on this from your previous post: 3: Lucas Arts came into blame for me when the NGE was released and my girlfriend went apeshit for 3 days. The only thing LA are guilty of in my opinion is not pulling in the reigns on Smedley and his posse before now. I believe they've had extremely poor judgement if they were fully aware of the NGE before it went live (and I believe they were), personally I believe they should've gone down to Austin and bitchslapped Smedley after the CU.
You see this is the attitude of a lot of SWG players. They think SOE is all by themselves working away on SWG and LucasArts stops by once in awile to look in. In fact this is TOTALLY off. You see the head of the development team is the Producer. The producer for SWG is Jullio Torres, a LucasArts employee. LucasArts is involved with ALL ASPECTS of SWG. They have just as much influence on the game as SOE, in fact moreso, since NOTHING goes in the game without LucasArts approval.
SOE destroyed hte fun i use to have in SWG, the game sucks now. i use ot like the open skill system and how you could dop a skill and learn another and how jedi was somewhat respected. Now its more linear than mario -_-.
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Personlly, I don't care, Jodokai. I don't hate or love games or game companies or the poor old sods who work for them. If a game pisses me off, I simply quit and find some other game to play. If there's no games I'm interested in, I do something else. I can't be arsed to take up arms and storm the Bastille over a cock-up affecting something I do for entertainment. All I'm saying is find the right person and send him a letter if that makes you feel better. If Smedley (and I do think that "Smedley" is the proper spelling) isn't the person to shout at, though he seems to have taken on that role, then I'm sure he'll forward the message to the person who is. I can't be arsed to shout at anyone, however, and I keep my spit to myself. I love discussing games and do quite often, though not from the business side of it. That's the bit about games that seems tedious to me.
I think we've both made our points enough to bore the rest of the people reading this thread.
You posted this comment right after someone accused me of not reading their post....
Get used to in Ranma. Anything that proves that people are just mindlessly bashing and have no idea what they're talking about just gets ignored. It's a lot easier than actually taking the time to reevaluate their thinking.
What will really start to get to you is after hundreds of posts proving how wrong they are, on your hundred and first post when you say they're wrong, the accuse you of having no facts...all the facts they chose not to read.
Following that chronology of events would lead one to think you were validating what Ranma said. Am I wrong?
Awwww, just forget it. I hate arguing over petty things. Especially with people who start playing semantical games and taking on the role of an English teacher.
Fact: I was not bashing SOE, so this took off in the wrong direction from the beginning. So let's just forget about it.
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omfg so true it hurt's. I, myself and I will NEWER BUY a SOE MMO again.Thats for sure. They screwd us all over time and time again.
I say, stay as far away from SOE product's as you possibly can.
Hope the company go bankrupt and rott in hell !!! /Angry
All companies are out to make money when it comes to developing video games. You people bashing SOE are amazing sheep.
As to SWG, that game was a disaster from a perspective of what it could have been. However, my understanding (not based on any concrete evidence of course) is that alot of the problems came from a butting of heads between SOE and Lucas. SOE wanted things one way, but Lucas wanted them another and wouldn't back down. Hence this heckle and jeckle approach to gaming.
SOE ran Everquest into the ground, made mistakes on SWG and EQII and have alot of worthless titles to their credit.
What's more, they are the worst cash pigs in the business.
And yea, I'm boycotting SOE, just like I'm boycotting EA.
Type Seed Game into your search engine. Go to the game's website and learn about it. It may be the best game you've continued to ignore.
1: I've never had a problem with players selling ingame items to other players for cash via ebay or whatever method they wish. If they spent time earning that item/virtual cash then I believe it's fair enough to try and sell it, I don't have to buy it and I could always earn it myself. So I have no reason to cry about it.
CCP does not endorse selling items/accounts for real money, and if caught you will have your account banned. If you're discovered doing it again with a seperate account you may have your ISP banned. Virtual items/accounts may be bought/sold for virtual cash however, so I may buy an EVE account for ISK (virtual EVE cash).
Although SWG always turned a blind eye to ebay jedi I was never offended, since they earnt thier jedi I felt it was thiers to sell for whatever price they pleased.
2: Well I'm afraid I don't have any evidence of "not recieving any customer service". But wether you want to "make a call on that" or not, the fact remains non existant customer service and total apathy concerning fixing 18 month old game breaking bugs is what convinced me to leave SWG. I'm not sure what motivation I would have for lieing on this matter.
3: Lucas Arts came into blame for me when the NGE was released and my girlfriend went apeshit for 3 days. The only thing LA are guilty of in my opinion is not pulling in the reigns on Smedley and his posse before now. I believe they've had extremely poor judgement if they were fully aware of the NGE before it went live (and I believe they were), personally I believe they should've gone down to Austin and bitchslapped Smedley after the CU.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
hehe you should add that pets are no more too. so no warlock pets, but none other too ^^ (I read that... am not playing)
btw: I think design changes like this would NOT go without Lukas Arts "go". If I think about it, Sony had less reason to start the "overhaul" than LA did. Sony did not well with SWG, but they are pros enough to know what such a drastic change would do. They were much more careful with (far less but still) drastic changes in EQ2.
what I think is that LA wanted to reach a younger, more merchendize friendly target group. The complex star wars game attracted too many "grown up" players.
Sony doesnt sell any star wars items.
LA does.
I guess they are responsible for those changes. after all, they have great influence on any design(change) in the game
SOE destroyed hte fun i use to have in SWG, the game sucks now. i use ot like the open skill system and how you could dop a skill and learn another and how jedi was somewhat respected. Now its more linear than mario -_-.