Originally posted by Betrayal-X If Bush purposedly caused 9/11 I'm sure he'd commit suicide quickly there after the shock. No amount of anti-d's could keep a person afloat with that much blood on his hands. Bush, I agree is more simply minded on things but, he is a competent man. All these controversial videos are being made now because the majority of the U.S.'s memory is slowly deterioating and, politically it's a way to induce anarchy among Americans. I guess, that's what is called stage two of the terrorist's plan to undermine America.
Thank you, BX! I think you summed up in two small paragraphs what would have taken me a couple pages to convey :P I think you hit the nail firmly on the head calling it "Phase 2".
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
People are sheep and when someone tries to show them that they are sheep and are being lied to it is their natural instinct to react with fear and anger.
This was an excellent documentary, I found the testimony from the firefighters who spoke of the demo charges they saw and heard to be particularly enlightening. As well as the fact that there was a huge gold depository under the WTCs that was mysteriously emptied...
I believe that people like the american government run shit because they have money and power, they do horrifying things to retain that position and proof is scattered all over just waiting for hungry inquisitive minds to pick up.
But meh... Believe what you are told by your leaders oh sheepish ones. The patriot act is necessary, give them all your constitutional rights, you will be well taken care of... the people who contradict the government are all cooks who are clearly out of their minds and grasping at straws... Ignore the fact that a huge portion of the american population (namely the ethnic portion, but also many caucasians) live under the poverty line. The US is obviously the most powerful and advanced country on the face of the planet!
Sheesh...
Not only is big brother watching, he is fingerfuxxing the arse of every person he can, laughing all the way to the bank. Remember... you're at war with eastasia, you've always been at war with eastasia...
...really, when will people open their goddamned eyes. Some advice for all of you who think this is just a bunch of conspiracy hooplah, go do some non-biased digging and find some answers. Dont accept things at face value. I have drawn my own conclusions about this type of thing by doing actual RESEARCH and making up my own damned mind. When you spout a bunch of crap that you saw on CNN or pulled off a government sponsored website, maybe taking a minute to examine the credibility of the source would help to give a bit of perspective. Just because you read it on the intarweb does not make it truth.
I for one will laugh and cry when the western world either collapses in on itself or turns into a conglomaration of overt totalitarian states... either way we are fahked.
Originally posted by Stedfast Why do people have to believe that everything is a conspiracy? What can you possibly say to the families that have lost loved ones in this event? No nation on this planet comes close to what the United States represents. The fact that you are allowed to publish these half truths and innuendos is proof of the free society that you seem to enjoy. Remember this government is based on "WE THE PEOPLE", not like most of the world. The United States is the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on the planet. War mongering American's please! We were attacked. Should we have been better prepared certainly, do we have plans certainly, but to state that we planned 9-11, please! To conclude the american government is "We THE PEOPLE". if you don't like the government then vote a different one in, it's as simple as that.
Why do people have to believe that everything is a conspiracy?
If we don't question the government, then what kind of power does that give them? -------------------------------------------------------------------- What can you possibly say to the families that have lost loved ones in this event?
Why did you vote for Bush? -------------------------------------------------------------------- No nation on this planet comes close to what the United States represents.
Because you are American does that mean you represent something superior than others? Anyways I think there are other countries that are very free like us. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The fact that you are allowed to publish these half truths and innuendos is proof of the free society that you seem to enjoy.
Give me proof that is more convincing than that video and fahrenheit 9/11 put together? Those videos put up some great arguments if you actually listened. As far as I know nobody has made a documentary supporting Bush. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The United States is the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on the planet.
Quote:"The reality is that as a nation, we are in fact quite stingy. While the U.S. gives the most foreign aid in terms of dollars, we rank the lowest compared to other developed nations in giving as a percentage of income. Currently the U.S. gives .15% of GNP [Gross National Product] (compared with highest ranked Norway which gives .92% of their GNP)." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- War mongering American's please! We were attacked. Should we have been better prepared certainly, do we have plans certainly, but to state that we planned 9-11, please!
"please!" Thats all you got? Try using that argument in the court of law. I think the video would win over your "please!". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To conclude the american government is "We THE PEOPLE".
First of all that isn't a quote from Bush but infact a really old one that doesn't really pertain to our government anymore. If you want some Bush quotes I can go get some real good ones from google...unlimited supply.
"This is serious business making - winning this war." - George W. Bush ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "if you don't like the government then vote a different one in, it's as simple as that."
Rrrright.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by jdun1 To get to the Presidency require not only political talents but a deep understanding of American way of life.
Or a very rich daddy and powerfull family.. You know the kind of daddy that can make a call/write a letter and make sure sure your attached to the national guard and not into a unit that actually goes to war..
Must be nice.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by Jonsus People are sheep and when someone tries to show them that they are sheep and are being lied to it is their natural instinct to react with fear and anger. This was an excellent documentary, I found the testimony from the firefighters who spoke of the demo charges they saw and heard to be particularly enlightening. As well as the fact that there was a huge gold depository under the WTCs that was mysteriously emptied... I believe that people like the american government run shit because they have money and power, they do horrifying things to retain that position and proof is scattered all over just waiting for hungry inquisitive minds to pick up. But meh... Believe what you are told by your leaders oh sheepish ones. The patriot act is necessary, give them all your constitutional rights, you will be well taken care of... the people who contradict the government are all cooks who are clearly out of their minds and grasping at straws... Ignore the fact that a huge portion of the american population (namely the ethnic portion, but also many caucasians) live under the poverty line. The US is obviously the most powerful and advanced country on the face of the planet! Sheesh... Not only is big brother watching, he is fingerfuxxing the arse of every person he can, laughing all the way to the bank. Remember... you're at war with eastasia, you've always been at war with eastasia...
...really, when will people open their goddamned eyes. Some advice for all of you who think this is just a bunch of conspiracy hooplah, go do some non-biased digging and find some answers. Dont accept things at face value. I have drawn my own conclusions about this type of thing by doing actual RESEARCH and making up my own damned mind. When you spout a bunch of crap that you saw on CNN or pulled off a government sponsored website, maybe taking a minute to examine the credibility of the source would help to give a bit of perspective. Just because you read it on the intarweb does not make it truth. I for one will laugh and cry when the western world either collapses in on itself or turns into a conglomaration of overt totalitarian states... either way we are fahked. Weep for the future i sincerely do
/agreed
It disgust me how easily people just shut up and take what ever there told.. Never asking why or how. Oh well what can you do, like you said there sheep.. Let them run to the slaughter
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by jdun1 I laughed when someone say they are smarter then Bush. He was a congressman, then became Texas Governor, and finally President. To get to the Presidency require not only political talents but a deep understanding of American way of life. I like to see these people that think they are smarter then him get to the Presidency.
ROFLMAO
no offense but bush is turning america into an international laughing stock.. please dont be proud of him, or worse, suggest he's intelligent.
Originally posted by Hohbein ROFLMAO no offense but bush is turning america into an international laughing stock.. please dont be proud of him, or worse, suggest he's intelligent.
Not to mention a Vice President that shoots people ROFL. What a joke we have in the White house...
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
I think most of you just want a conspiracy theory because you dislike Bush/Republicans/Conservatives or what you believe to be Conservative. And the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party.
In other words: Most of you people are what is wrong with america. Predetermined bias based on bipartisan standing.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Lol Aldaron, I think they just need some kool aid and, they'll be fine.
Bottom line, Bush is in power, people want to take him down a peg or say they are better then him or, like Hilary.. she wants to say when/if she's president she'll be a better president then Bush. I won't support her in the primarys in 08, I am a registered democrat.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Originally posted by Betrayal-X Lol Aldaron, I think they just need some kool aid and, they'll be fine. Bottom line, Bush is in power, people want to take him down a peg or say they are better then him or, like Hilary.. she wants to say when/if she's president she'll be a better president then Bush. I won't support her in the primarys in 08, I am a registered democrat.
nono, the bottom line is Bush is in power, and people CANNOT BELEIVE someone with his intellect can honestly be in charge of the most powerful nation on the planet. its very, very scary stuff.
i used to be exactly like you actually, i used to just say that people that disagreed with Bush and slated him were only doing it because they were trying to be contraversial. i even came up with a sweet slogan...
Real men love Bush!
it has a double meaning which ya might get. anyway, what i'm trying to say is that i have realised just how insanely corrupt the US government is, how money driven it really is, and how evil it has been, and will be in the future. i'm the last person you'll ever see on some gay lefty peace protest trying to get bush out of power, i'm not like that.. but i DO realise he's got to be just about the most dangerous leader of any country at the moment.
not only because he's an absolute imbecile, but because he's an absolute imbecile with a determination to cause as much trouble as he can throughout the world, ESPECIALLY in the most dangerous and unstable areas such as the middle east. he's leading us to a third world war, and everyone knows how that will end.
Originally posted by Betrayal-X Lol Aldaron, I think they just need some kool aid and, they'll be fine. Bottom line, Bush is in power, people want to take him down a peg or say they are better then him or, like Hilary.. she wants to say when/if she's president she'll be a better president then Bush. I won't support her in the primarys in 08, I am a registered democrat.
Did someone mention the new and improved Jim Jones Kool-aid being served?! WOOHOO!!!
Seriously, I don't get these geniuses who call US idiots for believe what the government says when they are believing what some strange guy from the internet tells them.
Public service announcement: Attention pot, this is kettle, you're black.
If we Rebulicans/Bush Supporters are believing their lies then the Conspiracy Theorists are just believing the Liberals/Underground Anarchist Media's lies. Hate to break it to everyone, but ANYONE with a political agenda lies at some moment in time. Some more than others, others more ignorantly than the next.
Next we're going to hear how the guy "playing" Bin Laden is really just a no name actor and SOMEONE will recognise him from an episode of "As the World Turns" in the 80s.
This is the last time I am posting on this thread as it is just becoming an uncivilised bashing between politcal parties. Which, in and of itself, is pointless. But I leave you with these words to ponder:
Every man, woman, or child will look at the clouds and see a different image. It is all in your mind as to what you want to see.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Originally posted by Malachi1975 Every man, woman, or child will look at the clouds and see a different image. It is all in your mind as to what you want to see.
And, in some cases, they just stare into the sun too long.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Originally posted by Malachi1975 Every man, woman, or child will look at the clouds and see a different image. It is all in your mind as to what you want to see.
Or sometimes they stare up at the cloud, then turn to the person next to them and ask them what they should be seeing. If that person next to them says a sheep, they also see a sheep.
Originally posted by Malachi1975 Every man, woman, or child will look at the clouds and see a different image. It is all in your mind as to what you want to see.
Or sometimes they stare up at the cloud, then turn to the person next to them and ask them what they should be seeing. If that person next to them says a sheep, they also see a sheep.
If that is truly the case as you believe then ALL here are sheep. Unless you've gone out to each site, researched each file, talked to each involved party, and were there when it happened you are believing what someone tells you. Whether that be they are telling you it was a conspiracy or they are telling you it was an attack.
Jonsus was the first to mention "sheep". You have now done so. Are you of his flock then? It's easy to sit back and name call without explaining a single point to any level of intelligence. But in the end by your own right, you are a sheep. You believe it's called air because someone told you that's what it is called. You believe you are on the planet Earth because someone told you this is the planet Earth. You believe you have the same internal organs as everyone else because someone told you that you do. I'd reckon you've seen none of these things for yourself truly.
"Sheep" is an easy insult to toss about, especially when living in a glass house.
EDIT: Yes I said the previous post would be my last here but I find it hard to resist when I am quoted :P
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Originally posted by Aldaron And the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party.
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq...
This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what....
So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by Aldaron And the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party.
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq...
This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what....
So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
Your argument here becomes tired and weak. You keep calling this video "Actual Proof". Did you see it filmed? Have you seen these "documents" with your own eyes? Do you know the people who were interviewed or were you there for the interviewing?
If the answer to ANY of that is NO then you ARE in fact listening to the mouths of others. Just others whom you choose to believe. I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call something you have seen from the internet "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything Fox News put out save that Fox News is a popular media source.
Anything can be faked. Whether it be how the WTC Tower actually fell or an interview with an unknown person. You say the Government creates lies with the media, correct? Well how do they do it? They get false interviews, forge documents, and edit images. This guy has the capability to do all the same.
You, sir, should be VERY happy you never chose a career in law. You arguments don't even have half a leg to stand upon. I would recommend you study what the words proof, conjecture, and speculation all mean before you go on any further quoting this film as the new Holy Commandments of what really happened that day.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Originally posted by Malachi1975 Originally posted by TinybinaOriginally posted by AldaronAnd the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party. And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq... This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what.... So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us. Your argument here becomes tired and weak. You keep calling this video "Actual Proof". Did you see it filmed? Have you seen these "documents" with your own eyes? Do you know the people who were interviewed or were you there for the interviewing? If the answer to ANY of that is NO then you ARE in fact listening to the mouths of others. Just others whom you choose to believe. I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call something you have seen from the internet "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything Fox News put out save that Fox News is a popular media source. Anything can be faked. Whether it be how the WTC Tower actually fell or an interview with an unknown person. You say the Government creates lies with the media, correct? Well how do they do it? They get false interviews, forge documents, and edit images. This guy has the capability to do all the same. You, sir, should be VERY happy you never chose a career in law. You arguments don't even have half a leg to stand upon. I would recommend you study what the words proof, conjecture, and speculation all mean before you go on any further quoting this film as the new Holy Commandments of what really happened that day.
Your entire arguement can be turned right around and right back at you. Do you know Bush and his administration personally? Do you see what happens behind closed doors? I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call Bush's speechs you have seen on TV "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything in the White House has put out save that White House is a popular media source.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by Aldaron And the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party.
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq...
This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what....
So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
You seem a bit defensive. So let me explain. "The others" as I so called them, was me talking about in particular the Republican party, or any party for that matter, that will not allow the truth to come between them and their shepherds.
For the most part, I think there is some validity to this "conspiracy theory", everything just doesn't add up, and the secrecy revolving around it smells of something fishy.
But my belief that there is some with-held truth that could be detrimental to many parties in the Government, is not my dislike for Bush, and that I'm so crazy left-wing nut that will believe anything to discredit the Republicans. Not at all. For i'm a "crazy right-wing nut": And although I do not subscribe to some Republican rhetoric, I am definitely, a conventional conservative.
I just have a healthy distrust for the Government, a Forefathers view on the matter, so to speak: They're evil, they can't be trusted, they should be kept small, and not out of the reach of the General populace to keep from going amuck: The Federal Government was made for the people, not the people for the Federal Government.
And I don't care who is in power, what party it is: Especially if it's one of these crazy bipartisans. Unlike most people, I'll distrust them whether they're Crats or Pubs.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Originally posted by AldaronAnd the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party.
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq... This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what.... So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
Your argument here becomes tired and weak. You keep calling this video "Actual Proof". Did you see it filmed? Have you seen these "documents" with your own eyes? Do you know the people who were interviewed or were you there for the interviewing? If the answer to ANY of that is NO then you ARE in fact listening to the mouths of others. Just others whom you choose to believe. I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call something you have seen from the internet "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything Fox News put out save that Fox News is a popular media source. Anything can be faked. Whether it be how the WTC Tower actually fell or an interview with an unknown person. You say the Government creates lies with the media, correct? Well how do they do it? They get false interviews, forge documents, and edit images. This guy has the capability to do all the same. You, sir, should be VERY happy you never chose a career in law. You arguments don't even have half a leg to stand upon. I would recommend you study what the words proof, conjecture, and speculation all mean before you go on any further quoting this film as the new Holy Commandments of what really happened that day.
Your entire arguement can be turned right around and right back at you. Do you know Bush and his administration personally? Do you see what happens behind closed doors? I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call Bush's speechs you have seen on TV "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything in the White House has put out save that White House is a popular media source.
Nope, I don't know Bush, nor have I said everything that his administration or the media says is "actual proof", have I? So no, in fact, my argument cannot be turned arond against me. If you had read each post in this actual thread you would see that *my* facts from from friends who were eye witnesses. People I've known personally for years, co-workers I worked along side day in and day out. I have seen both the Pentagon and Ground Zero with my own eyes. You'll even note that in the thread I have agreed with the fact that Governments DO have hidden agendas. I just stated that to think that ONLY the U.S. Government held patent on that would be silly. That's part in parcel for Government. So far everything you have tried to "turn around and right back at me" makes aboslutely no sense.
Everything you have mentioned in your quote above I never stated. I never stated that anything on television was true. In fact I think I've even made my point clear that I trust the media about as far as I could throw them collectively. I never stated that everything Bush has told us was solid fact. I am sure there are things that are changed or kept from the public. Some for nefarious reasons, others because I am just plain sure it would be stupid to hand out a "how to" book for others that want to commit any act like these. So, in fact, I do grasp that. You just don't seem to be able to read my words in full. Either for a lack of comprehension or the time willing to actually read them in detail.
As I even said I passed by the Pentagon everyday on my way to work in D.C. Thankfully I moved to a different job 8 days before 9/11 happened. I am speaking on a more personal level of what I know and HAVE seen with my own two eyes. I am not calling ANYTHING that anyone else says to be "actual proof" unless I physically know that person for some time.
Once again, you seem to be set out to prove me wrong with a personal vengeance. Perhaps you do not like how I come across or word myself on these forums. Yet, once again, you've not bothered with read the entire facts before making your acusation. You'll also note that only a few posts back I specifically said "we are all sheep" since at one point or another we believe something that someone else tells us.
I would strongly suggest the next time you make an aggressive attempt to belittle my words that you actually take the time to read them all in depth. So far the majority of your posts I have seen you make in this thread are personal attacks against my words. You seem to be taking something personal. Perhaps in hopes that I will trip over my words at some point and you can lord that over me and taunt me. I'm not sure what it is you wish to accomplish with this but it is, nonetheless, fruitless. If you have something personal against me, so be it. I wish you well in your endeavors. Though I would suggest you stop making yourself look ignorant by trying to turn my words against me when you obviously cannot comprehend them to begin with.
Thank you, please drive through.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Lol yeah this Video this guy made of videos of that terrible day is fake.. All those videos of the Towers falling and the small explosions being shown, the fire fighters/police/witness's accounts that were actually there, The video of the Osama Bin Laden that suddenly can write with his other hand and looks nothing like the real Osama, The audio of a guy calling his mother and using his freaking full name (yeah I do that myself all the time), and ever thing else shown in that video is fake.. I just dont know what I was thinking.
Im sorry you you guys are right im wrong, you have shown me the light....Time for me to take my own sig advice.
Teh End.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Originally posted by Tinybina Lol yeah this Video this guy made of videos of that terrible day is fake.. All those videos of the Towers falling and the small explosions being shown, the fire fighters/police/witness's accounts that were actually there, The video of the Osama Bin Laden that suddenly can write with his other hand and looks nothing like the real Osama, The audio of a guy calling his mother and using his freaking full name (yeah I do that myself all the time), and ever thing else shown in that video is fake.. I just dont know what I was thinking. Im sorry you you guys are right im wrong, you have shown me the light....Time for me to take my own sig advice.
Teh End.
I've never disagreed that some things do not add up. But as to why they are being altered or kept from the public I do not know.
I'd bother to go forward with this post but your sarcasm used as a crutch here shows you truly have nothing more intellectual to say to prove your point. I asked a viable question as to how you know for sure anything the video shows is, as you call it, actual proof of the conspiracy. You answer with sarcasm. That dictates to me that you have no reasonable answer yourself. Only more and more conjecture.
You can feel free to go on believing what you what. That's your right and I support it fully. Though I would suggest you at least learn a bit better to argue your beliefs when questioned so that you might ACTUALLY achieve your goal in informing someone of something they do not know. At this point you've pretty much made yourself sounds worse as a PR rep for your cause than Bush could ever do for his.
At this point I concede that this topic will go nowhere. You have your beliefs, we have ours. That's as simple as it gets. Personally, I will not bother to try to make you see the points of my beliefs and you will never be able to make me see the points of your belief when all you can say is "Dude! This no name guy from the internet showed me a movie and it's all written-in-stone fact."
Next subject please?
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"I will, however, comment on the quoted section above in green font. "It's called video and documented proof". Yup, that's called MEDIA! Maybe not THE Media, but Media nonetheless. Unless you saw it for yourself it's ALL conjecture and you're taking someone else's word for it. Saying anyone who watches the news is an idiot for believing what they see but believing what you see in this video without having seen it for youself is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black."
This was an earlier quote and I apologize for bringing this up but you seem to be VERY skeptical of anything presented in this video or anything in life based on all the posts I have read. You NEED to see anything with your own eyes and you need hard facts before you will accept anything as truth. You even talked about seeing "documented proof" of this and that and you concluded that it was hardly proof enough. I think everyone in this thread would agree with me on this. And that fact that you are skeptical is very ok but what doesn't add up for ME is...you are a Christian??
*head splodes*
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"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
People are sheep and when someone tries to show them that they are sheep and are being lied to it is their natural instinct to react with fear and anger.
This was an excellent documentary, I found the testimony from the firefighters who spoke of the demo charges they saw and heard to be particularly enlightening. As well as the fact that there was a huge gold depository under the WTCs that was mysteriously emptied...
I believe that people like the american government run shit because they have money and power, they do horrifying things to retain that position and proof is scattered all over just waiting for hungry inquisitive minds to pick up.
But meh... Believe what you are told by your leaders oh sheepish ones. The patriot act is necessary, give them all your constitutional rights, you will be well taken care of... the people who contradict the government are all cooks who are clearly out of their minds and grasping at straws... Ignore the fact that a huge portion of the american population (namely the ethnic portion, but also many caucasians) live under the poverty line. The US is obviously the most powerful and advanced country on the face of the planet!
Sheesh...
Not only is big brother watching, he is fingerfuxxing the arse of every person he can, laughing all the way to the bank. Remember... you're at war with eastasia, you've always been at war with eastasia...
...really, when will people open their goddamned eyes. Some advice for all of you who think this is just a bunch of conspiracy hooplah, go do some non-biased digging and find some answers. Dont accept things at face value. I have drawn my own conclusions about this type of thing by doing actual RESEARCH and making up my own damned mind. When you spout a bunch of crap that you saw on CNN or pulled off a government sponsored website, maybe taking a minute to examine the credibility of the source would help to give a bit of perspective. Just because you read it on the intarweb does not make it truth.
I for one will laugh and cry when the western world either collapses in on itself or turns into a conglomaration of overt totalitarian states... either way we are fahked.
Weep for the future i sincerely do
Why do people have to believe that everything is a conspiracy?
If we don't question the government, then what kind of power does that give them?
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What can you possibly say to the families that have lost loved ones in this event?
Why did you vote for Bush?
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No nation on this planet comes close to what the United States represents.
Because you are American does that mean you represent something superior than others? Anyways I think there are other countries that are very free like us.
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The fact that you are allowed to publish these half truths and innuendos is proof of the free society that you seem to enjoy.
Give me proof that is more convincing than that video and fahrenheit 9/11 put together? Those videos put up some great arguments if you actually listened. As far as I know nobody has made a documentary supporting Bush.
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The United States is the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on the planet.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Marshall0111.htm
Quote:"The reality is that as a nation, we are in fact quite stingy. While the U.S. gives the most foreign aid in terms of dollars, we rank the lowest compared to other developed nations in giving as a percentage of income. Currently the U.S. gives .15% of GNP [Gross National Product] (compared with highest ranked Norway which gives .92% of their GNP)."
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War mongering American's please! We were attacked. Should we have been better prepared certainly, do we have plans certainly, but to state that we planned 9-11, please!
"please!" Thats all you got? Try using that argument in the court of law. I think the video would win over your "please!".
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To conclude the american government is "We THE PEOPLE".
First of all that isn't a quote from Bush but infact a really old one that doesn't really pertain to our government anymore. If you want some Bush quotes I can go get some real good ones from google...unlimited supply.
"This is serious business making - winning this war." - George W. Bush
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"if you don't like the government then vote a different one in, it's as simple as that."
Rrrright.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Or a very rich daddy and powerfull family.. You know the kind of daddy that can make a call/write a letter and make sure sure your attached to the national guard and not into a unit that actually goes to war..
Must be nice.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
/agreed
It disgust me how easily people just shut up and take what ever there told.. Never asking why or how.
Oh well what can you do, like you said there sheep.. Let them run to the slaughter
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Not to mention a Vice President that shoots people ROFL. What a joke we have in the White house...
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Not to mention a Vice President that shoots people ROFL.
With the superb display of the handling of firearms like that, he surely was raised by liberals.
I think most of you just want a conspiracy theory because you dislike Bush/Republicans/Conservatives or what you believe to be Conservative. And the others just don't want to see the truth if it doesn't agree with their political party.
In other words: Most of you people are what is wrong with america. Predetermined bias based on bipartisan standing.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Lol Aldaron, I think they just need some kool aid and, they'll be fine.
Bottom line, Bush is in power, people want to take him down a peg or say they are better then him or, like Hilary.. she wants to say when/if she's president she'll be a better president then Bush. I won't support her in the primarys in 08, I am a registered democrat.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Did someone mention the new and improved Jim Jones Kool-aid being served?! WOOHOO!!!
Seriously, I don't get these geniuses who call US idiots for believe what the government says when they are believing what some strange guy from the internet tells them.
Public service announcement: Attention pot, this is kettle, you're black.
If we Rebulicans/Bush Supporters are believing their lies then the Conspiracy Theorists are just believing the Liberals/Underground Anarchist Media's lies. Hate to break it to everyone, but ANYONE with a political agenda lies at some moment in time. Some more than others, others more ignorantly than the next.
Next we're going to hear how the guy "playing" Bin Laden is really just a no name actor and SOMEONE will recognise him from an episode of "As the World Turns" in the 80s.
This is the last time I am posting on this thread as it is just becoming an uncivilised bashing between politcal parties. Which, in and of itself, is pointless. But I leave you with these words to ponder:
Every man, woman, or child will look at the clouds and see a different image. It is all in your mind as to what you want to see.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
I'm one to never say never.
If that is truly the case as you believe then ALL here are sheep. Unless you've gone out to each site, researched each file, talked to each involved party, and were there when it happened you are believing what someone tells you. Whether that be they are telling you it was a conspiracy or they are telling you it was an attack.
Jonsus was the first to mention "sheep". You have now done so. Are you of his flock then? It's easy to sit back and name call without explaining a single point to any level of intelligence. But in the end by your own right, you are a sheep. You believe it's called air because someone told you that's what it is called. You believe you are on the planet Earth because someone told you this is the planet Earth. You believe you have the same internal organs as everyone else because someone told you that you do. I'd reckon you've seen none of these things for yourself truly.
"Sheep" is an easy insult to toss about, especially when living in a glass house.
EDIT: Yes I said the previous post would be my last here but I find it hard to resist when I am quoted :P
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq...
This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what....
So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq...
This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what....
So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
Your argument here becomes tired and weak. You keep calling this video "Actual Proof". Did you see it filmed? Have you seen these "documents" with your own eyes? Do you know the people who were interviewed or were you there for the interviewing?
If the answer to ANY of that is NO then you ARE in fact listening to the mouths of others. Just others whom you choose to believe. I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call something you have seen from the internet "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything Fox News put out save that Fox News is a popular media source.
Anything can be faked. Whether it be how the WTC Tower actually fell or an interview with an unknown person. You say the Government creates lies with the media, correct? Well how do they do it? They get false interviews, forge documents, and edit images. This guy has the capability to do all the same.
You, sir, should be VERY happy you never chose a career in law. You arguments don't even have half a leg to stand upon. I would recommend you study what the words proof, conjecture, and speculation all mean before you go on any further quoting this film as the new Holy Commandments of what really happened that day.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Your entire arguement can be turned right around and right back at you. Do you know Bush and his administration personally? Do you see what happens behind closed doors? I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call Bush's speechs you have seen on TV "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything in the White House has put out save that White House is a popular media source.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
And whats the truth? What the government tells us? Sorry I dont believe what people tell me I choose to believe my own eyes and ears not peoples mouths... If I was to believe peoples mouths I would still think there are weapons of mass destrustion in Iraq...
This guy who made the vid has shown nothing but proof acutal documentation,videos, and interviews... Our government and there followers has shown us exactly what....
So what is the truth, how about you show us and not tell us.
You seem a bit defensive. So let me explain. "The others" as I so called them, was me talking about in particular the Republican party, or any party for that matter, that will not allow the truth to come between them and their shepherds.
For the most part, I think there is some validity to this "conspiracy theory", everything just doesn't add up, and the secrecy revolving around it smells of something fishy.
But my belief that there is some with-held truth that could be detrimental to many parties in the Government, is not my dislike for Bush, and that I'm so crazy left-wing nut that will believe anything to discredit the Republicans. Not at all. For i'm a "crazy right-wing nut": And although I do not subscribe to some Republican rhetoric, I am definitely, a conventional conservative.
I just have a healthy distrust for the Government, a Forefathers view on the matter, so to speak: They're evil, they can't be trusted, they should be kept small, and not out of the reach of the General populace to keep from going amuck: The Federal Government was made for the people, not the people for the Federal Government.
And I don't care who is in power, what party it is: Especially if it's one of these crazy bipartisans. Unlike most people, I'll distrust them whether they're Crats or Pubs.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Your entire arguement can be turned right around and right back at you. Do you know Bush and his administration personally? Do you see what happens behind closed doors? I don't see why you can't grasp this concept at all. You cannot call Bush's speechs you have seen on TV "actual proof". You can go outside and see "actual proof" of gravity...jump. But everything this guy puts forth in this video is NO different than anything in the White House has put out save that White House is a popular media source.
Nope, I don't know Bush, nor have I said everything that his administration or the media says is "actual proof", have I? So no, in fact, my argument cannot be turned arond against me. If you had read each post in this actual thread you would see that *my* facts from from friends who were eye witnesses. People I've known personally for years, co-workers I worked along side day in and day out. I have seen both the Pentagon and Ground Zero with my own eyes. You'll even note that in the thread I have agreed with the fact that Governments DO have hidden agendas. I just stated that to think that ONLY the U.S. Government held patent on that would be silly. That's part in parcel for Government. So far everything you have tried to "turn around and right back at me" makes aboslutely no sense.
Everything you have mentioned in your quote above I never stated. I never stated that anything on television was true. In fact I think I've even made my point clear that I trust the media about as far as I could throw them collectively. I never stated that everything Bush has told us was solid fact. I am sure there are things that are changed or kept from the public. Some for nefarious reasons, others because I am just plain sure it would be stupid to hand out a "how to" book for others that want to commit any act like these. So, in fact, I do grasp that. You just don't seem to be able to read my words in full. Either for a lack of comprehension or the time willing to actually read them in detail.
As I even said I passed by the Pentagon everyday on my way to work in D.C. Thankfully I moved to a different job 8 days before 9/11 happened. I am speaking on a more personal level of what I know and HAVE seen with my own two eyes. I am not calling ANYTHING that anyone else says to be "actual proof" unless I physically know that person for some time.
Once again, you seem to be set out to prove me wrong with a personal vengeance. Perhaps you do not like how I come across or word myself on these forums. Yet, once again, you've not bothered with read the entire facts before making your acusation. You'll also note that only a few posts back I specifically said "we are all sheep" since at one point or another we believe something that someone else tells us.
I would strongly suggest the next time you make an aggressive attempt to belittle my words that you actually take the time to read them all in depth. So far the majority of your posts I have seen you make in this thread are personal attacks against my words. You seem to be taking something personal. Perhaps in hopes that I will trip over my words at some point and you can lord that over me and taunt me. I'm not sure what it is you wish to accomplish with this but it is, nonetheless, fruitless. If you have something personal against me, so be it. I wish you well in your endeavors. Though I would suggest you stop making yourself look ignorant by trying to turn my words against me when you obviously cannot comprehend them to begin with.
Thank you, please drive through.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Lol yeah this Video this guy made of videos of that terrible day is fake.. All those videos of the Towers falling and the small explosions being shown, the fire fighters/police/witness's accounts that were actually there, The video of the Osama Bin Laden that suddenly can write with his other hand and looks nothing like the real Osama, The audio of a guy calling his mother and using his freaking full name (yeah I do that myself all the time), and ever thing else shown in that video is fake.. I just dont know what I was thinking.
Im sorry you you guys are right im wrong, you have shown me the light....Time for me to take my own sig advice.
Teh End.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
I've never disagreed that some things do not add up. But as to why they are being altered or kept from the public I do not know.
I'd bother to go forward with this post but your sarcasm used as a crutch here shows you truly have nothing more intellectual to say to prove your point. I asked a viable question as to how you know for sure anything the video shows is, as you call it, actual proof of the conspiracy. You answer with sarcasm. That dictates to me that you have no reasonable answer yourself. Only more and more conjecture.
You can feel free to go on believing what you what. That's your right and I support it fully. Though I would suggest you at least learn a bit better to argue your beliefs when questioned so that you might ACTUALLY achieve your goal in informing someone of something they do not know. At this point you've pretty much made yourself sounds worse as a PR rep for your cause than Bush could ever do for his.
At this point I concede that this topic will go nowhere. You have your beliefs, we have ours. That's as simple as it gets. Personally, I will not bother to try to make you see the points of my beliefs and you will never be able to make me see the points of your belief when all you can say is "Dude! This no name guy from the internet showed me a movie and it's all written-in-stone fact."
Next subject please?
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Hand me a beer is all I think when I listen to that.
Please, more beers!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
"I will, however, comment on the quoted section above in green font. "It's called video and documented proof". Yup, that's called MEDIA! Maybe not THE Media, but Media nonetheless. Unless you saw it for yourself it's ALL conjecture and you're taking someone else's word for it. Saying anyone who watches the news is an idiot for believing what they see but believing what you see in this video without having seen it for youself is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black."
This was an earlier quote and I apologize for bringing this up but you seem to be VERY skeptical of anything presented in this video or anything in life based on all the posts I have read. You NEED to see anything with your own eyes and you need hard facts before you will accept anything as truth. You even talked about seeing "documented proof" of this and that and you concluded that it was hardly proof enough. I think everyone in this thread would agree with me on this. And that fact that you are skeptical is very ok but what doesn't add up for ME is...you are a Christian??
*head splodes*
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American