WoW isnt that great. I play it. I think if it was my first game i'd be a huge fanboy but its not and so i'm not. Theres nothing really wrong with WoW. It doesnt suffer lag or have atrocious graphics. The world is well put together. It's just nothing new. The graphics aren't revolutionary nor is the game mechanics. It's a user friendly and its polished. Players have little impact on the game though and thats where WoW loses it for me. I play it but only when i'm so bored the choices are pick my nose or play WoW. After picking my nose i have nothing to do but play WoW
Originally posted by Dienzen lmao you need a "big fat bonus check" in order to pay 50$ for a game and 15$ a month? I suggest you quit mcdonalds and look for a better job
Where did I ever say where I work? Amazing that some people are able to know everything about someone, even what is not posted. *sarcasm off*
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Can you tell what color shirt I'm wearing as I post this? What name brand pants am I wearing? What color is my suit? My tie? What size shoes do I wear? What position is my job title at the job I'm currently at as I post this? *sarcasm really off this time*
relax, relax, we are ALL gamers here! We're all here to have fun!!!! I'm simply posting about WoW starting from a neutral perspective. I'm not a rabid Blizzard fanboy who feels Blizzard can do no bad. Heck I've in the past posted some of the worse critiques of Blizzard which were all true.
Do you drive? Do you own a brand new car? Did you finance it yourself without calling up your parents? Do you relize how much the price of gas is? Do you pay your own insurance? Do you pay your own rent?
MMORPGs are a luxery item. This means that $50.oo for the box, and roughly $200.oo per year is money being spent on an unneeded, unnecessary, expense. Pure luxery. Pure fun. $250.oo goes a lot further spent on gas, food, helping to pay the bills. Even current mmorpg players many times STOP playing due to suddently having less time, or suddently needing to budget their money elsewhere. And you do not need to be making $6.oo hr/ 12k-15k per year to HAVE to keep a buget, and STAY on budget. Even people who make 100k per year, 500k per year, and more, also keep a budget, and try to STAY on budget.
My recieving a bonus paycheck ment I suddently got extra money I had no idea was coming to me. Almost like winning a small lottery LOL! Thus if WoW had turned out to be a horrible game, no money wasted. As it turned out, WoW is a very fun game. As soon as one logs in, one can instantly start having fun. I also listed on page 1 other reasons why WoW is an incredible game. I still cannot get over the BRILLIANT MARKETING scheme Blizzard did! Amazing!
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Originally posted by SnaKey
Let me start by adressing the end of your post. Nobody wants to see your screenshots.
If you do not wish to see them, no problem. BTW, they are FREE to look at heheh. I put them up mostly for non-WoW players to get some idea what WoW is like. Before they plunk down their $50.oo to $250.oo.... to help other gamers here decide which next mmorpg to check out.
1. Macs are used my major companies mostly for graphix software. The reason being not because they are better is because the OS is a Unix OS built for graphix. No other reason. Unix is MUCH more stable than windows and there is no Unix OS out there as good for graphix as the Mac OS. Most companies that build programs for Windows use Linux Boxes.... Not Mac. (Yeah it's spelled linUx)
Re-read your OWN quote again! You moot yourown self, and 100% support me. Thank you! :
"""" 1. Macs are used my major companies mostly for graphix software. The reason being not because they are better """
and......
"""" the OS is a Unix OS built for graphix. No other reason. Unix is MUCH more stable than windows """"
My main point for bringing up MAC/Apple computers is a couple of main reasons....
- There IS a market for Apple/MAC computers. It exists. It is big enough to rake in MILLIONS of $$$$$.
- Forget about the history of the Apple/MAC OS vs the history of MicroSoft OS (BTW, Bill Gates copied from Apple first. Look at Windows 3.0 and then look at the OS for the old, ancient, Apple computers.. anyway..) At present time, in this year of 2006, the OS (Operating Systems) are different companies. And as it currently stands, Linux OS is the best one. Tiger OS (used by Apple/MAC) is a very close second. Windows OS is sooo far in third that it can't even see Linux OS and Tiger OS. So as far as a gaming computer goes, it makes even more sense for Blizzard to also target the Apple/MAC market.
- Blizzard right now is the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, mmorpg that is targeting the Apple/MAC maket! Talk about early bird getting the worm! The other birds are not only asleep, they are in a coma! Blizzard currently has a monopoly when it comes to which mmorpgs are playable on the Apple/MAC.
Here is something else:
Many colleges currently require students to BUY a MAC/Apple (for example the iBook G4 laptop I now play WoW on.. ). They require it for classes. There was even a major movie that came out 1-2 years ago with major stars. There's a scene where the girl is in college, and EVERY SINGLE student has an Apple/MAC on their desk! That is current reality. Roughly 25% to 30% of all college students have Apples/MACs, and the number is growing. And guess what one of the biggest gamer markets is? You got it! College students! The game DOOM proved it, as record number of students failed college the first 2 years it came out. So you have one of the biggest gamer demographics being required to buy Apple/MACs in order to pass their courses. The rest is simple marketing.... which soo far only Blizzard seems to have noticed. The early bird Blizzard is getting not only THE worm, but ALL the worms!
Macs- I own 2 and do everything (computer) important on them. Windows sucks, however, I also have a PC and use it to play the important games that don't make to the Mac. Believe me there is much nashing of teeth going on in the Mac gaming community regarding an infuriating program called Havok which due to the size of it's licensing fees is preventing a sizeable number of PC games from being ported over. I praise Blizzard for keeping Macs in mind. Did you know they started out as a Mac company?
WoW- My first and favorite fantasy MMORPG. It was fun for over a year, very immersive, great graphics, great social dynamics and party action. Outstanding loot system. But as I gained experience and matured, I realized for the long haul, it has serious problems.
1. It's a static world. 2. It penalizes players who don't embrace the end game of 40 person raids. 3. It all most exclusively focuses on kill and collect style questing, sometimes known as grinding. 4. It has a very shallow profession/crafting structure. Most players are wearing what they pick up off bosses. So much for the meaningful professions.
You may love it now, I know I did while I was leveling, but please report back after you cap out.
-Hunt'n
----------------------- Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW. Current MMO: Current Games: L4D, Skyrim Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR. Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2
Believe me there is much nashing of teeth going on in the Mac gaming community regarding an infuriating program called Havok which due to the size of it's licensing fees is preventing a sizeable number of PC games from being ported over.
I've had my Apple computer for roughly 3 months now. So I'm still new to Apple/MAC. Can you please post a quick summary (or a superlong detailed one ) about this "Havok" thing you talk about? This is my first time hearing about it.
I praise Blizzard for keeping Macs in mind. Did you know they started out as a Mac company?
I've always been a casual fan of Blizzard. I still remember the first time I played Starcraft, and how hard my heart pumped on some of the scenarios. I also had fun in Diablo 1, and still play Diablo 2 off and on. I never knew Blizzard originally started out making programs only for Apple computers! I need to find time to study more about their history. Thanks for all the info!!!
Originally posted by SnaKey Broaden your visions. The game sucks man. You are new to it. I liked it at first too, but I wasn't blown away. Try playing something that has real depth to it and not just abunch of regurgitated crap from other MMOs. Wait till you get to where you can PVP. Then the game gets really dull. PVP Blows monkey nuts.
ROFL the WOW basher to the rescue.. WOW is the most complete MMORPG in history and trust me I almost played them all.. from EnB, Anarchy Online, Everyquest2, AC2, Neocron1+2, EA, DAOC, EVE (yuck I like to actually get out of my ship like in EnB), Shadowbane, SWG,COH/COV ect... No MMORPG did it better then WOW with the mix of customizeable addons/macros, PVE content, PVE content, depth, crafting, ect.. Sure some games have done certain areas better then WOW thats a given, but there always lacking in other areas.. WOW has come the closest of any MMORPG ever of doing it all very well and the fact that they have so many subs is no suprise..
I will say that I do agree with you to a point about PVP, im a PVP with a purpose type of person... Anarchy Online spoiled me back in the day when they actually gave us things to fight over.. Nothing is more exciting then the posibility of having your land taken from you cause you lost a battle...If WOW had PVP similar to that, it would be GG for the rest of the market. Would give those bored 60's something else to do as well.
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Previous poster, obviously just anothe "it's the best no discussion" person Hello, btw, why did you bring up this dead horse again ? xD
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Originally posted by xplororor 1. WoW aka Blizzard made their mmorpg 100% MAC useable! I recently got a MAC. The darn thing blows a way a PC like a 2006 Fararri vs a 1908 Ford Model T!!! THINK about it - major fortune 100 companies demand their workers use Apples. Major movie houses, and production companies will ONLY use Apples. Heck - get this!!!.... major computer gaming companies use Apple computers to MAKE software for PCs!! Apples are insanely reliable, versatile, and after Linex, the Apple OS is unbeatable. (It's called the Tiger OS.) There is a very, very, sizeable cult following for Apple computers. Plus as a gaming computer, Apples destroy PC in terms of quality, reliability, function, and outstanding performance. Apple users are extreemly keen on discovering programs aimed at the Apple market. Kudos to Blizzard for this marketing coup! Apple users remind me of the VW crowd from the 60's and 70's. Those folks still insist their cars were superior. As far as Apple being superior, well yes graphics applications seem to run better on apple systems. But their cpu's clock speed have lagged behind for half a decade at least.
3. WoW is an ultra-modern 4th generation mmorpg (same generation as SWG, EQ2, Lin2, etc...) but on purpose streamlined itself, but not to the point of stripping itself. How can I explain this? Best example is for you to rent/buy a copy of the DVD "Animatrix" and watch the interviews section about the history of Anime. Todd McFarlane goes into detail about how Asian animators used techniques to streamline their animation, while at the same time never going to the point of stripping them. He gives as one of many examples a dissection of the Superman animated shows vs the Asian animated shows showing flying characters. And for any of you who does not know who Todd McFarlaine is, he is currently the world's most successful comic book, and animation, artist. More so than even Frank Miller. In terms of money, more than even Stan Lee, the creators of Superman, and every single other artist. (this is in terms of money.) But back to subject..... WoW is a streamlined modern mmorpg, that is streamlined in the RIGHT places!!! This is incorrect. WoW is a 2nd generation MMO. We are still waiting on a 3rd generation MMO period to start. Most folks think Vanguard / Pirates / Age of Conan launches will usher in the 3rd generation. And there is nothing modern about WoW whatsoever. If anything, Blizzard has taken some steps backwards with WoW by leaving out features other MMO before it had like housing, player run economies, weather, etc This coup by Blizzard means it can run EASIER on ultra expensive computers, as well as on older computers = even more paying subscribers! Unlike SWG and EQ2 which force players to buy brand new 1,000.oo to 2,000.oo computer systems. In ADDITION, WoW takes up a bit less memory, even after having 1 year of patches. SWG went from needing roughly 1 gig, to now needing 2 gigs (almost close to 3 gigs) memory. Since ALL mmorpgs get their graphics outdated, it makes no sense to push the envelope with graphics. They're going to get outdated no matter what! WoW's graphics are modern enough to be more than immersive, but do not push the envelope. I have to make special mention of the MOVEMENT. It is sooo lifelike it is almost flawless!!! Blizzard was smart in that they knew their target market. Young teens typically have the hand-me-down pc in their rooms running win 98 and 512mb ram. Blizzard was smart in toning down system requirements
4. The game really IS immersive! Every new character starts out with a copy of the gameworld map. Just looking over it gives one an incredible feeling of how freeekin' HUGE the gameworld is! WOW!!! (Pun intended lol!). Other things that help with the immersive feeling is the on point music, and much, much, much, more! You obviously have little mmorpg experience. WoW's world is very small and linear. I give them credit for making it somewhat seamless (not many instances). However, the physical game world is quite small compared to older MMO's. 5. New players are very strong! Forget about starting out in EQ in which you kill one NPC then have to rest for 30 mins to 1 hour!!! In WoW you can kill low level NPCs non-stop. (1 at a time works best. Don't get swarmed of course!) I exploded in levels sooo quick, it felt like I was accidently leveling up! It took me roughly 15-25 NPC kills to move up each level. And I was casually killing NPCs while exploring, and learning how to use the game. Blizzard did combat well I must admit. The downtime is definitely a strong point to their game. Their animations need a lot of work though, I got really bored watching the same slash move over and over again. 7. My current favorite - I can fight barehanded, or hold a shield in one hand, and fight "Captain America" style! And it is EFFECTIVE! Meaning I can kill if I choose to fight this style. One can level up and gain skills and become even BETTER using this specific fighting style! Kudos to Blizzard for making an effort to make their game DIFFERENT from the glut of other mmorpgs out there! Reminds me of one of my Barbarian characters in Diablo 2 - He used 2 knives at the same time heheh. I had another one who used 2 axes at the same time. It's just FUN to be able to do something DIFFERENT! Like how in Anarchy Online you can duel wield TWO GUNS at the same time LOL! In WoW I can fight bare handed (there's even a bare handed skill!) or fight with a shield in one hand, and the other hand bare! Blizzard did make their classes somewhat different from each other with their talent system. However its still a simplistic level based class system which honestly lacks freedom that its superior skill based systems always have. Come back and give us a review once you hit lvl 60. I promise you your review will be different.
Originally posted by Gameloading World of Warcraft took everything that is good of other MMORPG"s and put it in one. result is the most succesfull, and more important, most FUN mmorpg to play at this moment. People always start looking at the negative aspects of WoW instead of the positive. WoW's instances are done well, the world is huge and the terrain is by far the best in any MMO to date. the world makes sense and it feels "right". its easy to learn, the PvP is great. maybe you don't like the pvp SYSTEM, but the actual pvp has moving combat in it and it DOES require skill. the combat is fun, there are loads of quests altough they are basicly all the same,just like ALL MMo's. the grouping part is done well, you need a healer, a tank and a damage dealer to get trough an instance.one mistake by agroing too much mobs and its all over. there is tons of equipment, albeit at the last lvl's everybody looks the same but Blizzard is actually working on this, by adding more items. Blizzard actually listens to its players, they just never tell. they will soon have outposts wich can be controlled by the horde or the alliance because people asked for something to change the world. people asked for weather, geuss whats in next patch? WoW has these 5 million subscribers for a reason. the game is purely build on FUN, something games EQ2 and EVE lack. to the op: post those screenshots mate, just ignore the EVE fanbois who are waiting to make an announcement EVE has made 100.001 subscribers
1) Their instances are not done well. There's nothing innovative or different about them, they're just outdoor areas that you wont find any other players in. The only thing you do is clear room after room, and the only challenge is picking which enemy to pull out of the room first.
2) The world is actually very small, you just run very slowly. The terrain is almost always oddly colored, and repeated throughout the entire world. You see the same caves over and over, the same houses over and over, the same castles and keep over and over. Nothing new, and the only reason it feels "right" is because you're used to that Vegas neon look from past WC games.
Let's take the Deeprun Tram for example; how does it take you to IF which is North/North-East of SW when it only goes East? Answer: because Blizzard half assed it.
3) PvP does not require skill. From 10-29 it's basically twink wars. From 30-60 it's just the flavor job of the week who's rendered the most powerful by sweeping nerfs to the other classes. Right now it's Warlocks and Hunters that are in the hot seat. No skill involved.
4) Yep, the quests are all the same, and what's worst is that you can see the amount of effort they didn't put into them. You spend your entire playing time collecting animal body parts and killing countless random enemies without reason.
5) There's really only about three differen't equipment models, they're all just skinned differently, and still ugly. Plate and mail share the same model, there's a robe model, the usual hat models. Way to show a lack of creativity.
6) Blizzard only listens to the whiners and complainers. They've continued to make bad decision after bad decision, on top of half assed decision after half assed decision. Nothing they're going to do is going to work right unless they destroy another aspect of the game in the process.
7) Wow, weather. They can add that to the list of things other games have done better. They need to focus on the bugs and inherent flaws in their game rather than the weather.
8) The game has over 5 million subscribers because they LOWERED THE BAR. They made their game extremely easy to attract all the brainless idiots and kids with parents who will spend money on them. The game is basically a giant daycare while parents go out and have a nice dinner for once.
World of Warcraft is the Cat in the Hat of MMORPGs. Stop comparing Cat in the Hat to more famous writers. Hop on Pop < Lords of Discipline.
Originally posted by Gameloading I disagree with you on the last part, since it seems very unlikely. By the time SWG was released, WoW's development was "complete" and all that remained were some fixes here and there and network stuff. I doubt they still had time to copy anything from SWG back then.
WoW released more than 2 years after SWG got released. Back when Classic SWG was in full swing, which was during it's first year of release, WoW was roughly 3 years AWAY from getting released. WoW most definatly was not finnished being created at that point. And yes, there are certain things in WoW that are most definatly copied only from Classic SWG, since Classic SWG was the only game ever to have certain things. (One of which I put in. Back when the old SWG game forums were up, their DEVs would daily communicate with the posters. They regularly made threads like "Please list all your ideas what you would like to see done" then a few days later, go through every single idea posted, and reply why they could not do it, and/or that they have put it in. One of my ideas they verified on the public forums they had put in. And yes, when I played SWG at launch it was in alright. And Blizzard now has it in their game.)
Have you ever played Blizzard's other games? Especially Diablo 2: Lords of Destruction? Just observing Blizzard's other games from the eyes of a game designer, one sees that they went further than somply "pushing out a game". They made their games "with love". Simular to what one sees when observing EQ1, AC1. There's just certain nunances, that only a concious gamer appreciates. Like in Dungeon Siege how there's an undead henchmen who has half a torso, and goes crawling around at 1 mph "chasing" after you LOL! Or how in Classic SWG your character will do barrel rolls during a fire fight. Or at night time in Classic SWG, during a blaster fight, you see the ground lite up, litterally looking like WW2 at night, or even Desert Storm at night. Or how in Fallout ihow you can rob NPC shopkeepers and the entire town will hunt you down as you try to escape. WoW's creators have put in certain nunances in their game, that show they made their game "with love". Just like Smeadly and McQuaid made original EQ "with love" (I'm still traumatized over seeing the dwarf corpses hanging on hooks in the evil areas. Cleaved in half, guts hanging out, the expressions on their dead faces.) Nunances = extra thought put in, extra effort put in. That goes "beyond the duties of the job".
Originally posted by xplororor WoW's creators have put in certain nunances in their game, that show they made their game "with love". Just like Smeadly and McQuaid made original EQ "with love" (I'm still traumatized over seeing the dwarf corpses hanging on hooks in the evil areas. Cleaved in half, guts hanging out, the expressions on their dead faces.) Nunances = extra thought put in, extra effort put in. That goes "beyond the duties of the job".
Could of fooled me. As someone else pointed out, the game is like Milli Vanilli. Nothing original, nothing new, puts a pretty face on things, sucks in the masses, and recieves credit that isn't due.
The game was trash, and not because it was poorly developed. Or utterly bored. But because it was so cookie-cutter, corporational, and unoriginal.
Im sorry but you think theres something special about the blasters in SWG lighting up the area at night? You consider this a nuance? Dont be stupid, basically EVERY game with guns will light up the area when theyre fired. Half of these 'nuances' you suggested arent even going beyond, theyre just general simple things that even designers who give half a rats ass about their job would put in.
Originally posted by Orcc Im sorry but you think theres something special about the blasters in SWG lighting up the area at night? You consider this a nuance? Dont be stupid, basically EVERY game with guns will light up the area when theyre fired. Half of these 'nuances' you suggested arent even going beyond, theyre just general simple things that even designers who give half a rats ass about their job would put in.
Please name a single other mmorpg, in which you can use guns, and while lying down on your stomach, at night, in pitch dark, the ground lights up as you fire away? Not even AO has this. In Classic SWG, not only does the gun muzzel emit light, but the surrounding area lights up for a few seconds, bushes, trees, rocks, etc.... Giving battles an incredible surreal effect, just like in real life, like in Dese rt Storm, WW2, etc. It's how snipers and enemies in real life are picked off if they are not careful.
Next, as far as I know, AO is the only other mmorpg with blasters, guns, etc... that players can use. That has a chance to match this little nunace SWG has/had. In AO the gun blasters/muzzels/barrels do light up at night, but there is almost no "splash light" off the surroundings, (rocks, trees, ground, your character's face, plants, etc...) as would happen in real life.
Another example of a little nuance aka "making a game with love"..... is from Classic SWG - you can like on your stomach in a river, lake, swamp, whatever type of body of water, and allow the water to completly cover you, with ONLY the tip of your gun/blaster visible! Talk about litteral camualflage! (sp!). I once was underwater in a river with flowing ripples. Every 5 seconds the river would recede and I would be visible for 1 second, then the water would ebb and flow back, completly covering me up! Players would see me on their radar, but have no idea where I was hiding LOL! It was toooo fun getting the jump on them all the time heheh. They'd see blaster fire hitting them, turn around, and have no idea where I was hiding! Even though their radar showed me right in front of them LOL!
Dude im not talking about just MMORPGs, I mean games in general. Every game involving guns that has come out in the last few years has muzzle flashes, it would be idiotic if they didnt. This isnt even anything new, I fail to see how you view this as being something speical when hundreds of games have already done it.
Originally posted by Orcc Dude im not talking about just MMORPGs, I mean games in general. Every game involving guns that has come out in the last few years has muzzle flashes, it would be idiotic if they didnt. This isnt even anything new, I fail to see how you view this as being something speical when hundreds of games have already done it.
I'm talking only about what mmorpgs have in them. MMORPGs do not directly compeat vs non-mmorpgs. Different markets. SWG was the first ever Star Wars mmorpg. Yet there were tons of Star Wars games before it. Different markets. SWG was the first ever mmorpg to have space and land to play on. Of course there were non-mmorpgs before it that had space and land to play on. AO was the first mmorpg with guns. UO (or maybe Meridian 59? ) were the first mmorpgs ever with Elves, dwarves, knights, wizards, magic, etc.... Of course there were non-mmorpgs before that had all this. But different markets that do not directly compete vs each other. So far, there are only 2-3 mmorpgs with guns in them. (Yeah technically WoW has muskets. But I'm talking about conventional guns like machine guns, blasters, laser guns, etc... that every player/character can use if they choose to.). AO, WW2O, and SWG.
I think the term you guys are looking for is "effects" or "special effects" or maybe "realism." If you are going to complain about blaster fire in swg im gonna complain about magic effects being to bright and colorful in WoW. Dosent sound legit does it?
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Originally posted by xplororor I've had my Apple computer for roughly 3 months now. So I'm still new to Apple/MAC. Can you please post a quick summary (or a superlong detailed one ) about this "Havok" thing you talk about? This is my first time hearing about it.
Havok is a physics program with a huge licensing fee, close to six figures I've been told. So far none of the Mac porting companies has been able to afford the fee, or has not wanted to pay for it. The list of games using Havok is huge, most of the AAA titles. You can see a list here of many of the titles.
Yes, there are some frustrations with Mac gaming, but I would never depend on WinXP for my daily computer tasks. This statement is based on my experience with PCs over the last 10 years.
-Hunt'n
----------------------- Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW. Current MMO: Current Games: L4D, Skyrim Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR. Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2
----------------------- Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW. Current MMO: Current Games: L4D, Skyrim Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR. Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2
Originally posted by admriker444 Apple users remind me of the VW crowd from the 60's and 70's. Those folks still insist their cars were superior. As far as Apple being superior, well yes graphics applications seem to run better on apple systems. But their cpu's clock speed have lagged behind for half a decade at least. anded (there's even a bare handed skill!) or fight with a shield in one hand, and the other hand bare!
MacOS X is the most stable OS (beside unix) on the planet. WinXP is a joke in comparison. However, Windows has always been better for strickly gaming just cause all the titles come out for it. At least they used too.
BTW, Apple just swtiched to intel processors. Mac gamers are thrilled because frame rates on the new iMacs have doubled when playing games. I'm not sure, but my understanding is that part of the reason is that PC games are optimized for intel architecture. The Macs and their game performance will benefit too. People have reported frame rates in the 40's in Iron Forge which is pretty darn good.
-Hunt'n
----------------------- Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW. Current MMO: Current Games: L4D, Skyrim Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR. Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2
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Good luck levelling up your character without a weapon....
what are these Farraris u talk about? is that the new name for Lada or KIA?
I have a bit of trouble believing anyone who thinks Software Developers use a Mac and can't even spell Linux.
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WoW isnt that great. I play it. I think if it was my first game i'd be a huge fanboy but its not and so i'm not. Theres nothing really wrong with WoW. It doesnt suffer lag or have atrocious graphics. The world is well put together. It's just nothing new. The graphics aren't revolutionary nor is the game mechanics. It's a user friendly and its polished. Players have little impact on the game though and thats where WoW loses it for me. I play it but only when i'm so bored the choices are pick my nose or play WoW. After picking my nose i have nothing to do but play WoW
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WoW is nice for the newbies.. but it can get old pretty fast with there endless rep grinds and constant dungeon farming.
Where did I ever say where I work? Amazing that some people are able to know everything about someone, even what is not posted. *sarcasm off*
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Can you tell what color shirt I'm wearing as I post this? What name brand pants am I wearing? What color is my suit? My tie? What size shoes do I wear? What position is my job title at the job I'm currently at as I post this? *sarcasm really off this time*
relax, relax, we are ALL gamers here! We're all here to have fun!!!! I'm simply posting about WoW starting from a neutral perspective. I'm not a rabid Blizzard fanboy who feels Blizzard can do no bad. Heck I've in the past posted some of the worse critiques of Blizzard which were all true.
Do you drive? Do you own a brand new car? Did you finance it yourself without calling up your parents? Do you relize how much the price of gas is? Do you pay your own insurance? Do you pay your own rent?
MMORPGs are a luxery item. This means that $50.oo for the box, and roughly $200.oo per year is money being spent on an unneeded, unnecessary, expense. Pure luxery. Pure fun. $250.oo goes a lot further spent on gas, food, helping to pay the bills. Even current mmorpg players many times STOP playing due to suddently having less time, or suddently needing to budget their money elsewhere. And you do not need to be making $6.oo hr/ 12k-15k per year to HAVE to keep a buget, and STAY on budget. Even people who make 100k per year, 500k per year, and more, also keep a budget, and try to STAY on budget.
My recieving a bonus paycheck ment I suddently got extra money I had no idea was coming to me. Almost like winning a small lottery LOL! Thus if WoW had turned out to be a horrible game, no money wasted. As it turned out, WoW is a very fun game. As soon as one logs in, one can instantly start having fun. I also listed on page 1 other reasons why WoW is an incredible game. I still cannot get over the BRILLIANT MARKETING scheme Blizzard did! Amazing!
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Macs- I own 2 and do everything (computer) important on them. Windows sucks, however, I also have a PC and use it to play the important games that don't make to the Mac.
Believe me there is much nashing of teeth going on in the Mac gaming community regarding an infuriating program called Havok which due to the size of it's licensing fees is preventing a sizeable number of PC games from being ported over. I praise Blizzard for keeping Macs in mind. Did you know they started out as a Mac company?
WoW- My first and favorite fantasy MMORPG. It was fun for over a year, very immersive, great graphics, great social dynamics and party action. Outstanding loot system. But as I gained experience and matured, I realized for the long haul, it has serious problems.
1. It's a static world.
2. It penalizes players who don't embrace the end game of 40 person raids.
3. It all most exclusively focuses on kill and collect style questing, sometimes known as grinding.
4. It has a very shallow profession/crafting structure. Most players are wearing what they pick up off bosses. So much for the meaningful professions.
You may love it now, I know I did while I was leveling, but please report back after you cap out.
-Hunt'n
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I've always been a casual fan of Blizzard. I still remember the first time I played Starcraft, and how hard my heart pumped on some of the scenarios. I also had fun in Diablo 1, and still play Diablo 2 off and on. I never knew Blizzard originally started out making programs only for Apple computers! I need to find time to study more about their history.
Thanks for all the info!!! 
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The only reason they use Mac though is because the OS is a Unix built for graphix.
If there was a PC Unix OS for graphix, you can be assured they would use it over a mac.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/screenshots/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=545&Set=0
547 screenies right there.
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ROFL the WOW basher to the rescue.. WOW is the most complete MMORPG in history and trust me I almost played them all.. from EnB, Anarchy Online, Everyquest2, AC2, Neocron1+2, EA, DAOC, EVE (yuck I like to actually get out of my ship like in EnB), Shadowbane, SWG,COH/COV ect... No MMORPG did it better then WOW with the mix of customizeable addons/macros, PVE content, PVE content, depth, crafting, ect.. Sure some games have done certain areas better then WOW thats a given, but there always lacking in other areas.. WOW has come the closest of any MMORPG ever of doing it all very well and the fact that they have so many subs is no suprise..
I will say that I do agree with you to a point about PVP, im a PVP with a purpose type of person... Anarchy Online spoiled me back in the day when they actually gave us things to fight over.. Nothing is more exciting then the posibility of having your land taken from you cause you lost a battle...If WOW had PVP similar to that, it would be GG for the rest of the market. Would give those bored 60's something else to do as well.
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Previous poster, obviously just anothe "it's the best no discussion" person
Hello, btw, why did you bring up this dead horse again ? xD
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1) Their instances are not done well. There's nothing innovative or different about them, they're just outdoor areas that you wont find any other players in. The only thing you do is clear room after room, and the only challenge is picking which enemy to pull out of the room first.
2) The world is actually very small, you just run very slowly. The terrain is almost always oddly colored, and repeated throughout the entire world. You see the same caves over and over, the same houses over and over, the same castles and keep over and over. Nothing new, and the only reason it feels "right" is because you're used to that Vegas neon look from past WC games.
Let's take the Deeprun Tram for example; how does it take you to IF which is North/North-East of SW when it only goes East? Answer: because Blizzard half assed it.
3) PvP does not require skill. From 10-29 it's basically twink wars. From 30-60 it's just the flavor job of the week who's rendered the most powerful by sweeping nerfs to the other classes. Right now it's Warlocks and Hunters that are in the hot seat. No skill involved.
4) Yep, the quests are all the same, and what's worst is that you can see the amount of effort they didn't put into them. You spend your entire playing time collecting animal body parts and killing countless random enemies without reason.
5) There's really only about three differen't equipment models, they're all just skinned differently, and still ugly. Plate and mail share the same model, there's a robe model, the usual hat models. Way to show a lack of creativity.
6) Blizzard only listens to the whiners and complainers. They've continued to make bad decision after bad decision, on top of half assed decision after half assed decision. Nothing they're going to do is going to work right unless they destroy another aspect of the game in the process.
7) Wow, weather. They can add that to the list of things other games have done better. They need to focus on the bugs and inherent flaws in their game rather than the weather.
8) The game has over 5 million subscribers because they LOWERED THE BAR. They made their game extremely easy to attract all the brainless idiots and kids with parents who will spend money on them. The game is basically a giant daycare while parents go out and have a nice dinner for once.
World of Warcraft is the Cat in the Hat of MMORPGs. Stop comparing Cat in the Hat to more famous writers. Hop on Pop < Lords of Discipline.
WoW is the Milli Vanilli of the MMORPG world. Nuff said.
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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
WoW released more than 2 years after SWG got released. Back when Classic SWG was in full swing, which was during it's first year of release, WoW was roughly 3 years AWAY from getting released. WoW most definatly was not finnished being created at that point. And yes, there are certain things in WoW that are most definatly copied only from Classic SWG, since Classic SWG was the only game ever to have certain things. (One of which I put in. Back when the old SWG game forums were up, their DEVs would daily communicate with the posters. They regularly made threads like "Please list all your ideas what you would like to see done" then a few days later, go through every single idea posted, and reply why they could not do it, and/or that they have put it in. One of my ideas they verified on the public forums they had put in. And yes, when I played SWG at launch it was in alright. And Blizzard now has it in their game.)
Have you ever played Blizzard's other games? Especially Diablo 2: Lords of Destruction? Just observing Blizzard's other games from the eyes of a game designer, one sees that they went further than somply "pushing out a game". They made their games "with love". Simular to what one sees when observing EQ1, AC1. There's just certain nunances, that only a concious gamer appreciates. Like in Dungeon Siege how there's an undead henchmen who has half a torso, and goes crawling around at 1 mph "chasing" after you LOL! Or how in Classic SWG your character will do barrel rolls during a fire fight. Or at night time in Classic SWG, during a blaster fight, you see the ground lite up, litterally looking like WW2 at night, or even Desert Storm at night. Or how in Fallout ihow you can rob NPC shopkeepers and the entire town will hunt you down as you try to escape. WoW's creators have put in certain nunances in their game, that show they made their game "with love". Just like Smeadly and McQuaid made original EQ "with love" (I'm still traumatized over seeing the dwarf corpses hanging on hooks in the evil areas. Cleaved in half, guts hanging out, the expressions on their dead faces.)
Nunances = extra thought put in, extra effort put in. That goes "beyond the duties of the job".
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Could of fooled me. As someone else pointed out, the game is like Milli Vanilli. Nothing original, nothing new, puts a pretty face on things, sucks in the masses, and recieves credit that isn't due.
The game was trash, and not because it was poorly developed. Or utterly bored. But because it was so cookie-cutter, corporational, and unoriginal.
Im sorry but you think theres something special about the blasters in SWG lighting up the area at night? You consider this a nuance? Dont be stupid, basically EVERY game with guns will light up the area when theyre fired. Half of these 'nuances' you suggested arent even going beyond, theyre just general simple things that even designers who give half a rats ass about their job would put in.
Please name a single other mmorpg, in which you can use guns, and while lying down on your stomach, at night, in pitch dark, the ground lights up as you fire away? Not even AO has this. In Classic SWG, not only does the gun muzzel emit light, but the surrounding area lights up for a few seconds, bushes, trees, rocks, etc.... Giving battles an incredible surreal effect, just like in real life, like in Dese rt Storm, WW2, etc. It's how snipers and enemies in real life are picked off if they are not careful.
Next, as far as I know, AO is the only other mmorpg with blasters, guns, etc... that players can use. That has a chance to match this little nunace SWG has/had. In AO the gun blasters/muzzels/barrels do light up at night, but there is almost no "splash light" off the surroundings, (rocks, trees, ground, your character's face, plants, etc...) as would happen in real life.
Another example of a little nuance aka "making a game with love"..... is from Classic SWG - you can like on your stomach in a river, lake, swamp, whatever type of body of water, and allow the water to completly cover you, with ONLY the tip of your gun/blaster visible! Talk about litteral camualflage! (sp!). I once was underwater in a river with flowing ripples. Every 5 seconds the river would recede and I would be visible for 1 second, then the water would ebb and flow back, completly covering me up! Players would see me on their radar, but have no idea where I was hiding LOL! It was toooo fun getting the jump on them all the time heheh. They'd see blaster fire hitting them, turn around, and have no idea where I was hiding! Even though their radar showed me right in front of them LOL!
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Dude im not talking about just MMORPGs, I mean games in general. Every game involving guns that has come out in the last few years has muzzle flashes, it would be idiotic if they didnt. This isnt even anything new, I fail to see how you view this as being something speical when hundreds of games have already done it.
I'm talking only about what mmorpgs have in them. MMORPGs do not directly compeat vs non-mmorpgs. Different markets. SWG was the first ever Star Wars mmorpg. Yet there were tons of Star Wars games before it. Different markets. SWG was the first ever mmorpg to have space and land to play on. Of course there were non-mmorpgs before it that had space and land to play on. AO was the first mmorpg with guns. UO (or maybe Meridian 59? ) were the first mmorpgs ever with Elves, dwarves, knights, wizards, magic, etc.... Of course there were non-mmorpgs before that had all this. But different markets that do not directly compete vs each other. So far, there are only 2-3 mmorpgs with guns in them. (Yeah technically WoW has muskets. But I'm talking about conventional guns like machine guns, blasters, laser guns, etc... that every player/character can use if they choose to.). AO, WW2O, and SWG.
I think the term you guys are looking for is "effects" or "special effects" or maybe "realism." If you are going to complain about blaster fire in swg im gonna complain about magic effects being to bright and colorful in WoW. Dosent sound legit does it?
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Havok is a physics program with a huge licensing fee, close to six figures I've been told. So far none of the Mac porting companies has been able to afford the fee, or has not wanted to pay for it. The list of games using Havok is huge, most of the AAA titles. You can see a list here of many of the titles.
Yes, there are some frustrations with Mac gaming, but I would never depend on WinXP for my daily computer tasks. This statement is based on my experience with PCs over the last 10 years.
-Hunt'n
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Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW.
Current MMO:
Current Games: L4D, Skyrim
Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR.
Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2
double post...where is the delete button?
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Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW.
Current MMO:
Current Games: L4D, Skyrim
Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR.
Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2
MacOS X is the most stable OS (beside unix) on the planet. WinXP is a joke in comparison.
However, Windows has always been better for strickly gaming just cause all the titles come out for it. At least they used too.
BTW, Apple just swtiched to intel processors. Mac gamers are thrilled because frame rates on the new iMacs have doubled when playing games. I'm not sure, but my understanding is that part of the reason is that PC games are optimized for intel architecture. The Macs and their game performance will benefit too. People have reported frame rates in the 40's in Iron Forge which is pretty darn good.
-Hunt'n
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Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW.
Current MMO:
Current Games: L4D, Skyrim
Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR.
Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2