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so now that the testing groups have said "rollback"
akewlguy
Member Posts: 118
how long do you think it will take them to roll the game back to the pre-cu?
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Just because the focus group told them they want a rollback, doesn't mean they'll get it. We said we wanted pre-CU the second they announced the CU. They didn't give a shit then. Sure, their numbers are terrible, but they've been like that for awhile. Chances are, they're looking for a drastic change that'll solve all their problems. Changes to the core of the game, a PS3 version, etc.
They wouldn't get a focus group if they wanted to roll the game back to pre-CU. They know we want that. They've known that for awhile. I think they've got something else in mind.
I don't know, maybe I'm just being over cynical. Oh wait, I'm overly cynical because of them.
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I couldnt vote, "Never" wasnt a choice.
As much as I dream of a rollback, I seriously doubt its going to happen.
Possible scenarios...
1.) Complete rollback - logistically its a nightmare. Do players get to keep their 2nd toon ? Do players get to keep jedi ? What happens to the new loot drops, are they removed so crafters can make better stuff again ? Do they convert the clothing with mods ? Do they add back in CA/AA drops ?
Analysis - Seems highly unlikely, expensive to code, and would create a ton more problems.
2.) Adding in pre-NGE features - Slowly patch back in creature handler profession, decay, allowing profession changes, target lock, etc. I can't see SOE totally bringing back everything like the old combat system or the other 24 professions they dumped. They might as well drop the NGE alltogether rather than do that.
Analysis - Somewhat plausible from SOE. However, there will be many bugs and in the end it will be a pointless change. The NGE will still be present like an ugly sister-in-law and that will prevent most vets from returning.
3.) Server wipe - Peel back the NGE code to an earlier state, most likely pub 22 era. Pre-CU is out as they dont want to spend the money redoing Mustafar and Kashyyyk to fit a non-level system. Anything after like pub 24 pissed off a lot of jedi (the snare issue) was done to set things up for NGE isnt needed. Would SOE be willing to toss out the players work and their 2nd toons to go back ?
Analysis - SOE doesnt seem to have any problem tossing out players work previously. I cant see them having a problem doing it again with an obvious minority player group that wouldnt like it. This scenario is possible but probably less so than just adding in pre-NGE features.
4.) Classic servers - SOE brings in some classic pre-cu servers, pre-CU being the obvious choice as its the most popular. There would be a flood of players to those servers leaving the already empty NGE servers virtually barren. Then the problem arrives, do they support the classic servers with say 200k players and make expansions for it. Or do they stick with their NGE servers for support for maybe 25k players ?
Analysis - Very unlikely, SOE would have to admit they screwed up to the player base. They would have to toss out all their work including some of the good stuff they added post-CU like the combat animations. The expansions would need redoing as they dont fit in a skill based system.
I think SOE will just add in some lame features and keep the NGE. They will dangle a few carrots in the hopes that some vets return (like the obvious one with decay) but most wont return.
Never was you play WoW now cuz SWG/NGE suck, but once the rollback comes in the game will be fun again!
Just whipe the servers clean, load them up with the origional pre-cu game, and JtL, throw away RotW and ToOW and build on from there, keeping only certain NGE/CU features like the new heavy weapons system.
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no JtL needs to go, it took away from the ground game. Remember when all the doc's where in space? JtL needs to go when the rollback happens, and the only ones that should have any type of toons after the rollback are any Elder Jedi. We made the game thus we should be the first rewarded in the new Pre-CU.
There is no rewards or keepers in a clean, full server whipe....thats the whole purpose guy. By them giving handouts to these "elder jedi" you mention, it would just start the whole "ruination" process all over, either by profession imbalance, economic disaster, or an ever bitchier player base because not everybody got these "rewards".
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I grinded for 2 months to become a Jedi and I will not grind again for Jedi. I worked for it in the old system and I gained the right to be a Jedi. SoE will make players understand in the New Pre-CU that we worked for it, there for we have the right to have it. I don't care about profession imbalance or economic stuff, I got Jedi, I want to stay Jedi and the game will be fine with the Pre-CU back in place.
You forgot to add "Never" to your poll, which is what I would pick because it's exactly what will happen.
All SOE will do is add elements from the old game back in to the NGE... but the NGE stays.
Your the reason why the community is left with the NGE.....jedi.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
People need to start using the righting fooking terminology...
ITS NOT A ROLLBACK.
ITS A CONVERSION TO PRECU CODE.
I know what is going on, im just replying to the AS IF. AS IF there was a rollback or whipe or conversion, I know none of it will ever happen, thats why I said IF.
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SOE / LA didnt listen to us in Beta when we said the game wasnt even close to launching. We practically begged them to wait and were ignored.
SOE / LA didnt listen to us when we said we wanted a combat revamp before JTL. They then went around giving interviews stating the community demanded JTL first.
SOE / LA didnt listen to us when we clearly told them what we wanted for the combat revamp (later called Upgrade).
SOE / LA didnt listen to us when 80% + polls suggested the community was against the CU. They rolled it out incomplete and buggy anyway.
SOE / LA didnt listen to the armorsmith correspondent and thousands of armorsmith players when they protested unwanted changed to their profession from the CU. Their response was mass bannings of accounts
SOE / LA didnt listen to what the players wanted for a future possible expansion. They decide on Mustafar which was such an obvious attempt to cash in (again) on the latest movie and pending DVD release.
SOE / LA didnt listen to us when they announced the NGE instead of the expected ranger revamp long promised to us.
SOE / LA didnt listen to us when we cancelled our accounts in huge unprecedented numbers. Estimated losses at 75% or more.
Why would anyone expect SOE / LA to suddenly change course and listen to what the focus group says we all want....ROLLBACK ??? They must have known this whole time thats what we all want.
Problem is despite whatever great ideas or suggestions the community had SOE always went with what they wanted since they always knew better. They always knew what would sell more subs. Or at least what they thought would sell more subs. You wont see a change in that trend til new leadership comes in.
More importantly they already are considering a laughingstock in the gaming world. Going back to PreCU means someone is responsible for alot of wasted time and money used at the SOE offices. No one wants to admit to that and take the blame.
Just because we live in the internet world of gaming and they cant see us means they can walk all over us with little to no backlash from the customer base. Customers unhappy? Moderate chat and dont go to the forums. Just that easy. Out of sight out of mind.
Also, as time goes by and we still see bugs abounding in the game I have to wonder if the total game engine is so bad they just cant fix it. I remember reading something from one dev about fixing something and hoping he hadnt broken combat. I was like huh? How could that break combat? Their code must be horrible if they cant fix bugs. I wouldnt say wont fix bugs. I just think they cant fix em.
And I would be willing to bet SWG2 will only barely resemble SWG:PreCU. I doubt you will see alot of professions back.
No the thing $oE must do is rollback we must go back to the pre-cu and that is what everyone wants. No one likes the NGE infact the NGE is a joke on every gaming site and laughed at by anyone and everyone who makes MMO's. The only peeps that like the NGE are noobies who don't get it and role players who need to go back to MUD's and Neverwinter Nights.
I've played SWG from Beta untill now and I know what's best for the game.
Your the reason why the community is left with the NGE.....jedi.
No, it is not the reason. The reason we got the CU was because of the whiners and when that wasn't good enough, the NGE was handed to us.
OMG I can NOT believe you are crying over possibly losing your Jedi.
I also gained the "right" to be a jedi. But the question is .... Are you playing the game NOW???? For me it is No I am not.
Next question Do you or would you play again if the servers were rolled back or classic servers where made available? For me ... maybe yes ... as long as SOE and LA promised to keep their stinking fingers off the code and only work towards improving the game NOT revamping it.
Unlike you, I am not afraid of hard work to attain something. BTW, it took me alot longer than 2 months to get my jedi slot opened and trained.
It would be nice if we could keep our toons ...... yes ABSOLUTELY. But it isn't a game stopper for me if we can't. Maybe I am a minority?
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
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Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
Well what about me? It took me 2 years to grind. I never made it to jedi but I did make it to FS and I had just unlocked my 6th branch before the NGE hit. I was pissed. I respeced to jedi because I think after all the work I did whether I made jedi or not I desrved it as I was going to be a jedi anyway. I support a rollback but no at the expense of having to start over. I am a master pilot and guite frankly like JTL as I love being able to fly to where I want to go without having to pay for those stupid shuttles and being able to fly right from my home on tatooine to my house on Rori. JTL has it's benefits but it also has it's bad points too as you mentioned with the medics.
Having been working with computers for most of my life I have taught myself to do a lot with them and I know that the people at SOE know more than me. At least I hope they do. A complete rollback is possible and not even having to remove anything collected from the NGE. Just take out the NGE code and re-implement the pre-NGE code. It might be harder than I make it out to be but for people that have bachelors or masters degrees in computer programming or game programming it should be a piece of cake. The ONLY reason that SOE doesn't want to do anything is because they don't want to admit they messed up. Lucas Arts on the other hand I think is starting to realize that maybe they did mess up. They have a name to maintain and they don't want SOE ruining it. I think things are going on behind the scenes and this Focus Group was part of the Lucas Arts Strategy. I mean they said it themselves the guy was finishing sentences because he had heard it so many times. Lucas Arts can now go to the negotiation table and say they ran their on focus group and here is what they had to say and actually have some proof to back it up. I am not 100% sure on this but from what I have been looking at I would say it is a possibility that Lucas Arts and SOE are in a struggle for control of SWG. I mean just look at Lucas Arts. It seems that many of the people involved with SWG on the Lucas Arts shave been replaced or fired so that should say something.
No more ranting do you require. Already kno you, that what you need to win this battle.
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Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
what about if all they do is fix small bugs and "build" SWG2 only this time all it is, is PRE CU with the xpacks and polished a few new quests and a small change in the way the worlds look
well i think this is most likley because
1 most of the code is there
2 SOE are lazy
3 money spinner
4 is what we all want anyway
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy