Originally posted by SofaKing2000 He heh, Ico... No one here takes any game too seriously, It's just a discussion on the Psycology of how SWG affected peoples lives. So if you have anything productive to add, throw it in, if not... bugger off.
I'm sorry I upset you. <free thread bump>
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Originally posted by SofaKing2000 Originally posted by IcoGamesOriginally posted by ClaudeFRMay i ask how old are you ? Old enough to not take a game too seriously. >_< He heh, Ico... No one here takes any game too seriously, It's just a discussion on the Psycology of how SWG affected peoples lives. So if you have anything productive to add, throw it in, if not... bugger off.
If a freakin game affected your life then yes, you were taking it too seriously.
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Beatnik, hun, this thread alone invalidates your "ease of exit" arguement. Your arguements obviously don't move in step with mine. Many things you say annoy the living crap out of me. However, because I not only acknowledge you as a real person but feel that your opinions and feelings are valid (no matter how strongly disagree with them), I continue to debate with you.
Yes, I COULD ignore you. But it would be just as easy to ignore you if you were sitting across the room from me. I COULD lie to you. But I could do it just as easily if we were face to face. The only REAL factor that would be more difficult in this conversation if we were bound strictly to real life would be having it at all. Because you have no opportunity "in the real" to have met me much less to have engaged in any kind of discourse with me.
My perceptions of your portrayed disillusionment with people in general and distrust of women in particular would be no different in real life, were you to offer me the same thoughts and words you have given me here. My (perhaps futile and certainly stubborn) continuation of the dialog between us would not be effected one way or the other by your closer proximity. Fact is, not everyone is that timid or that shallow. I certainly am not. My friends, both online and offline are not. And trust me, I accord them equal respect and value them by the same standards. Your words tell me that this can't be said of you.
Let me provide you with some insight.
My real life friends are in Virginia, where I met them. Where not so long ago, I had the luxury of seeing them face to face as time permitted, now I don't have that luxury, as I've moved to New Jersey. We keep in touch using (GASP) the internet. They are now online friends. Just like the online friends I met in SWG, on forums or in other games. This hasn't decreased their importance in my life -- it actually allows them to remain important and active parts of it. This is very important to them and to me. I'm sure you can't deny that my having had to move out of their geographical reach doesn't diminish the validity of our friendship.
Now examine that and then add to it the fact that I do not treat people I meet online any differently than I do those I meet offline. I do not extend any more or less honesty, courtesy or empathy. My values and ethics remain unchanged by the medium by which they are conveyed. I am no more or less interesting, intelligent, bold or outspoken. The only differences are that you cannot taste, smell or touch me. You can't hear the tone of my voice or the expression on my face. But I am just as easy or difficult to understand and communicate with offline as on.
I make no pretences that everyone is like me. Logic dictates that were this the case, we'd live in a very different world, where people like you would have no cause to be so defensive and hostile. However, I'm sure that everyone would be exceedingly bored. Because a world full of people just like me would be pretty damned dull. So what if there is uncertainty, adversity, pain and hard lessons? It's just the same off the net, outside of MMORPGs.
A lot of you guys putting the screws to us for explaining our reasons "why" just aren't getting it. None of us (and I speak for myself, so go ahead and speak for yourself if you disagree) were so entwined with this game that it actually had fallout into our real lives. I have no problem distinguishing reality from fantasy. I don't really believe I am a Jedi. I have no lightsaber. I DO believe the friends that I made in game a very good friends. Like I said before, I've met a few, and they are just as much real friends as friends I've had since grade school. Just like in real life, I have "friends" and "random people I meet". I wasn't friends with everyone I met, just a select few that I was drawn too.
In fact, the distinction between my fantasy world and my reality was extremely defined. Having a bad day at work rarely carried over into SWG, having a bad night on SWG NEVER carried over into my real world (with the exception of maybe staying up too late sometimes and feeling tired the next day, lol). I dunno what has happened to you in the past that makes you so distrustful of people you meet on the internet, but I have never shared that experience. Perhaps you are a poor judge of character. Even online there are qualities of character that shine through, that are unable to be masked. I choose my friends wisely, I choose good people. As I do in the real world.
Yes, SWG WAS more than just a game to some of us. Because we invested some of ourselves into our characters. I don't think that's a bad thing, well, until the NGE anyway. So yeah, maybe we made the mistake of trusting that part of ourselves to a money hungry company. I'll take blame for that, and it's not a mistake I'll be quick to repeat. I have learned my lesson. However, until the NGE, I have never had reason to think that my online characters would go through such drastic change. My first online game was Neverwinter Nights on AOL. I was a UO beta tester way back in 1997. And I've played everything through today. I've had about ten years of MMO experience, and I've never felt like my character's heart was ripped out like in SWG. It's actually not as much of a shock when they just close the game down. Your character's story is ended and you move on. With the NGE it feels different. Our characters are in this ugly torpor, like a elderly person with alzheimer's. They are still there, but not the same. That's why many of us scream for either a rollback or wish secretly (or not so secretly) that the game would just end. Put our characters out of their misery. I know, I would ruin everyone's fun for the sake of mine. Well, that's exactly what was done to me, so I have no sympathy.
Originally posted by MeFartsSmell Hey Azh always has me on Iggy, ever since that day I told people about my gstring.
Nuh uh, you smelly boy, or I wouldn't know you'd grown a brain recently. Now if you could only get it to work...
And ditch the g-string. G-strings on guys doesn't even work for Chippendale's Dancers, much less forum trollkins of the male persuasion. That's the word from a woman with a healthy appreciation of male hiney (muahahaaaaa).
Besides, if I were to ignore any single person on these forums, it'd be Pirrg. And I don't. It's this morbid curiousity that keeps me watching the train wreck that is his singular lack of style. One of these days it's going to give me a braineurism.
That you don't have the right to feel angry, upset, and remorseful, because of what you lost?
Whether or not you have the right ain't the issue. Its real for you. Its real, because you feel it to be real.
If I annoy you, then don't post. Because I'll tell you what Azhrarn, if I were a real person, I imagine you WOULD just end the debate.
Yes you COULD just ignore me, so why don't you?
Because you see, I'm not a real person to you. I'm a punching bag for you. An inhuman obstacle that is gnawing away at your ego; beckoning you to fight for what every fibre in your being believes to be true, amid a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
I'm an abstraction of all that is insensitive and condecending. Satan, if you will.
I never wanted to be your Satan. I actually wanted to give you a way out.
I wanted to give you the understanding that you are not alone Azhrarn. Its easy to feel this way about the net, and cyberspace. But it doesn't mean that it can't be problematic. You yourself admit that by all rights, you shouldn't feel this way about a game. Nobody should.
Yet many do, and for reasons that seem plausable enough. But I have to tell you girl, this game, and this crap online ain't worth the pain its causing you.
Better to save that for things that matter, like the things that remain regardless of what SOE does or doesn't do. Save it for your husband, kids, SOs, and those friends you knew from Virginia. That, more than anything else, is why its better to leave this medium be.
The friendships, joy, and effort don't disappear when the game does. Chances are Azhrarn, there are probably more important things for you to do, and more important things to occupy your time, than this stuff.
Then again, you don't get metaphysical punching bags like me in reality. People you can objectify and demonize into whatever sort of wickedness or intolerance you wish.
But when you can look into someone's eyes, and hear their voice from their own lips, in your own ears, you know that its not Satan, or an abstract notion of evil standing before you. Its a human being, just like you. The mind cannot affirm what the senses contradict.
If you respected what I had to say, you wouldn't find it so important to dismiss and dehumanize me in front of your cyberpeers.
I also certainly hope that the Azhrarn behind the monitor does not "extend any more or less honesty, courtesy or empathy," than the handle azhrarn. Because if that's the case, I feel sorry for the ones that know "IRL." You must be a real b!tch to those you think of as "human."
You assert all this to be true of yourself. But I wonder if its really true, or just your justification as to why its normal for you to be emotionally tied to SWG even now. Well let me just say that you don't have to justify the validity of those feelings. And you see you are not alone.
But please Azhrarn. Don't make the mistake of thinking this emotional committment to SWG and cyberdrama, and me was a good thing. If it was, you wouldn't be feeling so upset to see it slip away.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by IcoGames Originally posted by ClaudeFR May i ask how old are you ?
Old enough to not take a game too seriously. >_<
So you think it is a matter of the age to "take a game seriously", i see..... YOu might want to google/yahoo for some "interessting" videos of kids, taking games to serious...
I could be your father (i looked up your postings) youngster, so take my advise: Stay out of topics which are far above your intellect, you look only as dumb as some1 could look, posting your nobrainers here. You dont even understand remotly what this topic is about, so shut your piehole.
@Pirrg If a freaking forum is affecting your life then you are taking it to serious. You want to stick with your homework and make sure, your grades better this year. I am sure, mommy will freak this time when you need to redo the class again - for the 3rd time.
@Beatnik Cool down...nothing happend. Its just a discussion and opinions. No need to jump on each other.
Lets see, who can carry on a mature discussion without getting heated.
I say this as the next "trigger" to think about:
Ever thought about, that it is you making MASSIV use of the "virtual life" and the veil hiding behind ? See your previous posting. Its always YOU talking about veils and masks and the ability to walk off.
Its YOU talking about "i am no real person to you, i am an obstacle", and acting appropiate: Fulfiling the role of a opacue "fantasy".
This image of yourself was made by you, AND ONLY YOU.
Till then, every poster here was talking about the REAL person in a virtual game, the REAL human behind the toon and the REAL affecting of community incedents to persons.
The only one trying HARDLY to not "Move into this"; is you...what are you hiding ? Was some1 hurting you THAT much... ?
You said: >>> But I have to tell you girl, this game, and this crap online ain't worth the pain its causing you.
You know Beatnik, i could shake your whole world with a fingersnip, you would scare to death if i would start to tell you "somethings" happening in "onlineworlds" - and how fast they are THAT real that you would lose you sleep over it.
I always say: Just because you dont see certain things doesnt mean they are not existing.
What i try to say is: Your opinion is your opinion, which is ok. But you shouldn't pretend things are not real just because they are outside of your opinion.
>>I wanted to give you the understanding that you are not alone Azhrarn. Its easy to feel this way about >>the net, and cyberspace. But it doesn't mean that it can't be problematic. You yourself admit that by >>all rights, you shouldn't feel this way about a game. Nobody should.
You still dont understand, that this topic isnt about a game ? The game is just a "nutshell" for whats inside.
If it is a game or a party or an 23h flight to australia, thats just the "environment" . the important and essential story is happening INSIDE that nutshell.
Whoa whoa WHOA there, Beatnik. Now anyone who knows me can tell you that when I lose my cool, it can get real ugly, I haven't lost my cool with you. And frankly, I was under the impression you were looking to debate. It's the impression that all of your former posts have given.
If you feel like a virtual punching bag, I'm sorry. But I haven't thrown any punches. I've actually been kinda light on you. So to say the least, your last post came as QUITE the surprise. Bitch? Oh yes, when it's warranted. But as far as you go, you haven't been bitched at. You've been debated with. If you're allergic to being contradicted repeatedly because you can't bring someone around to your view, maybe you should decline to debate. ESPECIALLY here.
Your displaced pity and sarcasticly faux in-hindsight comfort aren't standing up. Your own blatant hostility has knocked them down. I daresay that should I employ the same methods, you'd be beside yourself with rage. Instead, I'll just give you a little piece of advice:
I suggest you have a nice walk outdoors. I find a little exercise does wonders when I get cranky, and I'm thinking it'll do the same for you.
Originally posted by ClaudeFR So you think it is a matter of the age to "take a game seriously", i see..... YOu might want to google/yahoo for some "interessting" videos of kids, taking games to serious...
I could be your father (i looked up your postings) youngster, so take my advise: Stay out of topics which are far above your intellect, you look only as dumb as some1 could look, posting your nobrainers here. You dont even understand remotly what this topic is about, so shut your piehole.
Lol, you're a complete moron.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Banksy, while I will happily tolerate Ico's habitual trolling, your outburst is not at all welcome. Ico, unlike you, actually bothers to pretend to participate in the discussions he trolls. Occasionally, he will even raise a valid point and sometimes he's even funny.
Allow me to patronise YOU now. And no, it has nothing to do with your age. Go muddy up your own thread, you autistic primate. Aside from some light trolling and the occasional unavoidable outburst, this has been a very intelligent discussion about the many factors that went into making the original SWG so special and what it is that the game provided that still holds us captive long after we quit playing. Run along now, boy.
Originally posted by azhrarn Banksy, while I will happily tolerate Ico's habitual trolling, your outburst is not at all welcome. Ico, unlike you, actually bothers to pretend to participate in the discussions he trolls. Occasionally, he will even raise a valid point and sometimes he's even funny.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
I believe that this long lived thread aka series has hit its final season. It had its highs and lows but now its just time to let it die. Its all over save for the after party. I really wish we could trim down each great thread like this to only show the great "on topic" posts and debates. Then perhaps archive them as some kind of required reading for future posters and gamers. Both sides had some great stuff and was a blast to read.
Everyone say goodbye. Meet you in the next thread.
Originally posted by kefkah I believe that this long lived thread aka series has hit its final season. It had its highs and lows but now its just time to let it die. Its all over save for the after party. I really wish we could trim down each great thread like this to only show the great "on topic" posts and debates. Then perhaps archive them as some kind of required reading for future posters and gamers. Both sides had some great stuff and was a blast to read. Everyone say goodbye. Meet you in the next thread. G'night, John Boy.
Yeh, Kef, I think you're right. Eventually every great thread jumps the shark. This one seems to be no exception. It was awesome though. Nothing like watching the Socratic Method at work.
I can understand Azh feelings for SWG, in the end this thread has proven to me that she is weirdo and so am I an everyone else here is a nut too. This was a great thread Azh, I have put in some of my most mature posts ever in here, and it has really tired me out. I look forward to Azh next thread on something that will have the honor of my thought provoking posts of more big words and fancy writing stuff with a hint of edumacated stuff in it too. And rememeber kids, when you drive drink.
Whannnnn Whannnnn dat is the sound of 20 year old babies
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Old enough to not take a game too seriously. >_<
He heh, Ico... No one here takes any game too seriously, It's just a discussion on the Psycology of how SWG affected peoples lives.
So if you have anything productive to add, throw it in, if not... bugger off.
I'm sorry I upset you.
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Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
If a freakin game affected your life then yes, you were taking it too seriously.
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Beatnik, hun, this thread alone invalidates your "ease of exit" arguement. Your arguements obviously don't move in step with mine. Many things you say annoy the living crap out of me. However, because I not only acknowledge you as a real person but feel that your opinions and feelings are valid (no matter how strongly disagree with them), I continue to debate with you.
Yes, I COULD ignore you. But it would be just as easy to ignore you if you were sitting across the room from me. I COULD lie to you. But I could do it just as easily if we were face to face. The only REAL factor that would be more difficult in this conversation if we were bound strictly to real life would be having it at all. Because you have no opportunity "in the real" to have met me much less to have engaged in any kind of discourse with me.
My perceptions of your portrayed disillusionment with people in general and distrust of women in particular would be no different in real life, were you to offer me the same thoughts and words you have given me here. My (perhaps futile and certainly stubborn) continuation of the dialog between us would not be effected one way or the other by your closer proximity. Fact is, not everyone is that timid or that shallow. I certainly am not. My friends, both online and offline are not. And trust me, I accord them equal respect and value them by the same standards. Your words tell me that this can't be said of you.
Let me provide you with some insight.
My real life friends are in Virginia, where I met them. Where not so long ago, I had the luxury of seeing them face to face as time permitted, now I don't have that luxury, as I've moved to New Jersey. We keep in touch using (GASP) the internet. They are now online friends. Just like the online friends I met in SWG, on forums or in other games. This hasn't decreased their importance in my life -- it actually allows them to remain important and active parts of it. This is very important to them and to me. I'm sure you can't deny that my having had to move out of their geographical reach doesn't diminish the validity of our friendship.
Now examine that and then add to it the fact that I do not treat people I meet online any differently than I do those I meet offline. I do not extend any more or less honesty, courtesy or empathy. My values and ethics remain unchanged by the medium by which they are conveyed. I am no more or less interesting, intelligent, bold or outspoken. The only differences are that you cannot taste, smell or touch me. You can't hear the tone of my voice or the expression on my face. But I am just as easy or difficult to understand and communicate with offline as on.
I make no pretences that everyone is like me. Logic dictates that were this the case, we'd live in a very different world, where people like you would have no cause to be so defensive and hostile. However, I'm sure that everyone would be exceedingly bored. Because a world full of people just like me would be pretty damned dull. So what if there is uncertainty, adversity, pain and hard lessons? It's just the same off the net, outside of MMORPGs.
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A lot of you guys putting the screws to us for explaining our reasons "why" just aren't getting it. None of us (and I speak for myself, so go ahead and speak for yourself if you disagree) were so entwined with this game that it actually had fallout into our real lives. I have no problem distinguishing reality from fantasy. I don't really believe I am a Jedi. I have no lightsaber. I DO believe the friends that I made in game a very good friends. Like I said before, I've met a few, and they are just as much real friends as friends I've had since grade school. Just like in real life, I have "friends" and "random people I meet". I wasn't friends with everyone I met, just a select few that I was drawn too.
In fact, the distinction between my fantasy world and my reality was extremely defined. Having a bad day at work rarely carried over into SWG, having a bad night on SWG NEVER carried over into my real world (with the exception of maybe staying up too late sometimes and feeling tired the next day, lol). I dunno what has happened to you in the past that makes you so distrustful of people you meet on the internet, but I have never shared that experience. Perhaps you are a poor judge of character. Even online there are qualities of character that shine through, that are unable to be masked. I choose my friends wisely, I choose good people. As I do in the real world.
Yes, SWG WAS more than just a game to some of us. Because we invested some of ourselves into our characters. I don't think that's a bad thing, well, until the NGE anyway. So yeah, maybe we made the mistake of trusting that part of ourselves to a money hungry company. I'll take blame for that, and it's not a mistake I'll be quick to repeat. I have learned my lesson. However, until the NGE, I have never had reason to think that my online characters would go through such drastic change. My first online game was Neverwinter Nights on AOL. I was a UO beta tester way back in 1997. And I've played everything through today. I've had about ten years of MMO experience, and I've never felt like my character's heart was ripped out like in SWG. It's actually not as much of a shock when they just close the game down. Your character's story is ended and you move on. With the NGE it feels different. Our characters are in this ugly torpor, like a elderly person with alzheimer's. They are still there, but not the same. That's why many of us scream for either a rollback or wish secretly (or not so secretly) that the game would just end. Put our characters out of their misery. I know, I would ruin everyone's fun for the sake of mine. Well, that's exactly what was done to me, so I have no sympathy.
The Millenium Lee
Hey Azh always has me on Iggy, ever since that day I told people about my gstring.
Whannnnn Whannnnn dat is the sound of 20 year old babies
Nuh uh, you smelly boy, or I wouldn't know you'd grown a brain recently. Now if you could only get it to work...
And ditch the g-string. G-strings on guys doesn't even work for Chippendale's Dancers, much less forum trollkins of the male persuasion. That's the word from a woman with a healthy appreciation of male hiney (muahahaaaaa).
Besides, if I were to ignore any single person on these forums, it'd be Pirrg. And I don't. It's this morbid curiousity that keeps me watching the train wreck that is his singular lack of style. One of these days it's going to give me a braineurism.
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Azhrarn, what are you trying to prove?
That you don't have the right to feel angry, upset, and remorseful, because of what you lost?
Whether or not you have the right ain't the issue. Its real for you. Its real, because you feel it to be real.
If I annoy you, then don't post. Because I'll tell you what Azhrarn, if I were a real person, I imagine you WOULD just end the debate.
Yes you COULD just ignore me, so why don't you?
Because you see, I'm not a real person to you. I'm a punching bag for you. An inhuman obstacle that is gnawing away at your ego; beckoning you to fight for what every fibre in your being believes to be true, amid a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
I'm an abstraction of all that is insensitive and condecending. Satan, if you will.
I never wanted to be your Satan. I actually wanted to give you a way out.
I wanted to give you the understanding that you are not alone Azhrarn. Its easy to feel this way about the net, and cyberspace. But it doesn't mean that it can't be problematic. You yourself admit that by all rights, you shouldn't feel this way about a game. Nobody should.
Yet many do, and for reasons that seem plausable enough. But I have to tell you girl, this game, and this crap online ain't worth the pain its causing you.
Better to save that for things that matter, like the things that remain regardless of what SOE does or doesn't do. Save it for your husband, kids, SOs, and those friends you knew from Virginia. That, more than anything else, is why its better to leave this medium be.
The friendships, joy, and effort don't disappear when the game does. Chances are Azhrarn, there are probably more important things for you to do, and more important things to occupy your time, than this stuff.
Then again, you don't get metaphysical punching bags like me in reality. People you can objectify and demonize into whatever sort of wickedness or intolerance you wish.
But when you can look into someone's eyes, and hear their voice from their own lips, in your own ears, you know that its not Satan, or an abstract notion of evil standing before you. Its a human being, just like you. The mind cannot affirm what the senses contradict.
If you respected what I had to say, you wouldn't find it so important to dismiss and dehumanize me in front of your cyberpeers.
I also certainly hope that the Azhrarn behind the monitor does not "extend any more or less honesty, courtesy or empathy," than the handle azhrarn. Because if that's the case, I feel sorry for the ones that know "IRL." You must be a real b!tch to those you think of as "human."
You assert all this to be true of yourself. But I wonder if its really true, or just your justification as to why its normal for you to be emotionally tied to SWG even now. Well let me just say that you don't have to justify the validity of those feelings. And you see you are not alone.
But please Azhrarn. Don't make the mistake of thinking this emotional committment to SWG and cyberdrama, and me was a good thing. If it was, you wouldn't be feeling so upset to see it slip away.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Old enough to not take a game too seriously. >_<
So you think it is a matter of the age to "take a game seriously", i see.....
YOu might want to google/yahoo for some "interessting" videos of kids, taking games to serious...
I could be your father (i looked up your postings) youngster, so take my advise:
Stay out of topics which are far above your intellect, you look only as dumb as some1 could look, posting your nobrainers here. You dont even understand remotly what this topic is about, so shut your piehole.
@Pirrg
If a freaking forum is affecting your life then you are taking it to serious.
You want to stick with your homework and make sure, your grades better this year.
I am sure, mommy will freak this time when you need to redo the class again - for the 3rd time.
@Beatnik
Cool down...nothing happend. Its just a discussion and opinions.
No need to jump on each other.
Lets see, who can carry on a mature discussion without getting heated.
I say this as the next "trigger" to think about:
Ever thought about, that it is you making MASSIV use of the "virtual life" and the veil hiding behind ?
See your previous posting. Its always YOU talking about veils and masks and the ability to walk off.
Its YOU talking about "i am no real person to you, i am an obstacle", and acting appropiate: Fulfiling the role of a opacue "fantasy".
This image of yourself was made by you, AND ONLY YOU.
Till then, every poster here was talking about the REAL person in a virtual game, the REAL human behind the toon and the REAL affecting of community incedents to persons.
The only one trying HARDLY to not "Move into this"; is you...what are you hiding ?
Was some1 hurting you THAT much... ?
You said:
>>> But I have to tell you girl, this game, and this crap online ain't worth the pain its causing you.
You know Beatnik, i could shake your whole world with a fingersnip, you would scare to death if i would start to tell you "somethings" happening in "onlineworlds" - and how fast they are THAT real that you would lose you sleep over it.
I always say: Just because you dont see certain things doesnt mean they are not existing.
What i try to say is:
Your opinion is your opinion, which is ok. But you shouldn't pretend things are not real just because they are outside of your opinion.
>>I wanted to give you the understanding that you are not alone Azhrarn. Its easy to feel this way about
>>the net, and cyberspace. But it doesn't mean that it can't be problematic. You yourself admit that by
>>all rights, you shouldn't feel this way about a game. Nobody should.
You still dont understand, that this topic isnt about a game ?
The game is just a "nutshell" for whats inside.
If it is a game or a party or an 23h flight to australia, thats just the "environment" . the important and essential story is happening INSIDE that nutshell.
Claude
Whoa whoa WHOA there, Beatnik. Now anyone who knows me can tell you that when I lose my cool, it can get real ugly, I haven't lost my cool with you. And frankly, I was under the impression you were looking to debate. It's the impression that all of your former posts have given.
If you feel like a virtual punching bag, I'm sorry. But I haven't thrown any punches. I've actually been kinda light on you. So to say the least, your last post came as QUITE the surprise. Bitch? Oh yes, when it's warranted. But as far as you go, you haven't been bitched at. You've been debated with. If you're allergic to being contradicted repeatedly because you can't bring someone around to your view, maybe you should decline to debate. ESPECIALLY here.
Your displaced pity and sarcasticly faux in-hindsight comfort aren't standing up. Your own blatant hostility has knocked them down. I daresay that should I employ the same methods, you'd be beside yourself with rage. Instead, I'll just give you a little piece of advice:
I suggest you have a nice walk outdoors. I find a little exercise does wonders when I get cranky, and I'm thinking it'll do the same for you.
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Lol, you're a complete moron.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Banksy, while I will happily tolerate Ico's habitual trolling, your outburst is not at all welcome. Ico, unlike you, actually bothers to pretend to participate in the discussions he trolls. Occasionally, he will even raise a valid point and sometimes he's even funny.
Allow me to patronise YOU now. And no, it has nothing to do with your age. Go muddy up your own thread, you autistic primate. Aside from some light trolling and the occasional unavoidable outburst, this has been a very intelligent discussion about the many factors that went into making the original SWG so special and what it is that the game provided that still holds us captive long after we quit playing. Run along now, boy.
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Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
EDIT:
I deleted my post just because it was quoting the post of "Banksy16".
His post was just deleted by a mod.
It was just flame, so nothing to see here
Claude
I believe that this long lived thread aka series has hit its final season. It had its highs and lows but now its just time to let it die. Its all over save for the after party. I really wish we could trim down each great thread like this to only show the great "on topic" posts and debates. Then perhaps archive them as some kind of required reading for future posters and gamers. Both sides had some great stuff and was a blast to read.
Everyone say goodbye. Meet you in the next thread.
G'night, John Boy.
Yeh, Kef, I think you're right. Eventually every great thread jumps the shark. This one seems to be no exception. It was awesome though. Nothing like watching the Socratic Method at work.
Nite Pa.
See y'all at the next series.
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Kote lo'shebs'ul narit
I can understand Azh feelings for SWG, in the end this thread has proven to me that she is weirdo and so am I an everyone else here is a nut too. This was a great thread Azh, I have put in some of my most mature posts ever in here, and it has really tired me out. I look forward to Azh next thread on something that will have the honor of my thought provoking posts of more big words and fancy writing stuff with a hint of edumacated stuff in it too. And rememeber kids, when you drive drink
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Whannnnn Whannnnn dat is the sound of 20 year old babies
You are right Kef, thanks - good timing.
"Good night Mary-Ellen, good night Jim-Bob"....
Thank you all for this great thread, it was very nice, very interessting and very communicative (?).
Looking forward the next interessting one !
@Fart:
Great turn !
Claude