Originally posted by shawnpaul3 How embarrassing! Why don’t people in this Country first get educated on a subject before spouting ignorant opinions? Then, those same people make an attempt to argue their point as if it was factual. Is it just plain laziness, or the lack of concern for the real truth? Most of the world is laughing at us (USA) because of so many uneducated people spewing their idiotic rhetoric because their opinion is more important to them, than what’s actually best for this Country. And by educated / uneducated, I’m referring to getting knowledge on a subject, not how much schooling they have. What's even more frustrating is that people listen to moron's such as Mr. Sheen.
You want educated? Michael C Ruppert is a former LAPD investigator. He has investigated 9/11 himself. If you are going to deny what he says, then there is simply nobody (But the government themselves...) that can convince you of government involvement/criminal negligence...however you want to put it. Ruppert has years of investigating experience, you gotta atleast hear him out.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Michael C Rupport is also a master at manipulating minds. I suggest you watch his video after you read about persuasion, brainwashing, and fallicious logic.
You can start with How Thinking Goes Wrong, and observe how he uses the techniques described there to convince you that his accusations are fact through misguided logic. I will give you some specific examples once I finish watching the 2 hours of video...
As a caveat, I need to remind those that read my statements about faulty logic: Just because someone uses faulty logic to arrive at a conclusion is not proof in itself that the conclusion is wrong, just that the method to achieve that conclusion is flawed and requires further investigation.
Well I read it and it makes sense. Unfortunately many of manipulating and false logic of 9/11 "facts" can be pointed right at the government. Good information though.
Btw you seem extremely picky about any piece of information that could be called evidence. Now thats good but there is also a thing called "beyond a reasonable doubt", which means if you take all the evidence as a whole and it shows the government had motive, means and opportunity then you could convict them.
The government had all three of them easily. When I say Government, I mean just the top of the hierarchy like Bush, Cheney, The Administration...ect.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
I'm not denying there is a point at which you reach a "critical mass" for evidence, whether arrived at through good or "bad" logic.
I guess I have reached a point at which I am overloaded on this subject. When I said earlier that I have been researching whether there is a third explaination outside the lines of the 2 primary ones we see, I was serious, and have been for some time. My biggest problem has been that there is a shortage of cold hard facts so you have to dig into the depths of history, like explained by Rupport, to find the roots. There is a gap in information that you have to take a leap of faith I am not willing to make. My only real goal in this discussion has been to try and express the need for anyone who has a conscience for 9/11 to look long and hard at everything you can find before you subscribe to any single side.
Back to the original topic, I just don't believe that Charlie Sheen has devoted many braincells to subscribing to the "big conspiracy" theory.
BTW, I know I said I was going to give examples of the faults in the Rupport's logic, but it is just too many. The link I gave previously should give enough knowledge for anyone caring to see for themselves. Just remember that faulty logic does not always mean faulty conclusion.
Well I feel I have seen enough evidence to justify my distrust for anything the Bush administration says. I think the facts that you want are inside the CIA, FBI, White house, NSA, databases...good luck getting to them.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
You think Osama confessed? Check this out http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html, you can watch the tape (although its kind of long and boring, so take a glance) and then you can look at pictures when you scroll down and another tape of the real Osama for comparing. I suggest you read the whole article because they talk about things other than just appearance.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Y'know what. I'm gonna quote guy for those who didn't catch it the first time. It comes from here.
“It’s been said that all truth passes through 3 stages. The first stage being denial. The second stage being violent opposition. And the 3rd stage being widespread acceptance as common knowledge. Well as you view this documentary keep in mind that people watching will probably fall into one of those 3 categories. One group of people will absolutely deny that what they’re seeing could possibly be true. The second group of people will be violently opposed to this kind of information being released, and they’ll do everything that they can to discredit the messenger, rather than pay attention to the message. And yet there will probably be a third group of people who will sit back in their easy chairs and say, "I’m not surprised, I knew it all along.""
Back on topic a bit, I looked up Sharlie Sheen and his involvment into 9/11.
Turns out he is one of the most well informed persons on the planet about this thing.
Literally spends all his free time investigating and researching the facts and rumors.
Not saying this makes his word any more valid, however it is safe to assume he knows more about this then any of us here does.
Who would have imagined?
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Originally posted by Umbrood Back on topic a bit, I looked up Sharlie Sheen and his involvment into 9/11. Turns out he is one of the most well informed persons on the planet about this thing. Literally spends all his free time investigating and researching the facts and rumors. Not saying this makes his word any more valid, however it is safe to assume he knows more about this then any of us here does. Who would have imagined?
Thats a pretty bold statement, I think you will be getting some flames headed your way hehe. But I agree with Charlie so I agree with you.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
No, I'm not going to flame him. He can read what I wrote in my other posts. I'll just say this: If you form a hypothesis about 9/11 and spend your entire life "investigating," what good is that investigation if you only looked for facts that confirm of your hypothesis?
Originally posted by daeandor No, I'm not going to flame him. He can read what I wrote in my other posts. I'll just say this: If you form a hypothesis about 9/11 and spend your entire life "investigating," what good is that investigation if you only looked for facts that confirm of your hypothesis?
Not saying that this is not the way he have gone about this, but how do you know?
Sure, most people who are "amateur" investigators favors one outcome over the other, but unless it is solely for the purpose of an unknown, or known, politcal agenda making statements that are 100% contradictory to what you actually have found out is just stupid, and I do not seeing Sheen to have anything to win by doing this, what is his motive?
I mean it can not solely be to be ridiculed by people like us here on boards like these?
Not saying the US government had anything to do with this, at least not, ( hopefully ) knowingly, but it must be painstakingly obvious to anyone that there is more to this then just two planes crashing with thoose buildings, I will not venture a guess to what that might be, but it is something.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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You want educated? Michael C Ruppert is a former LAPD investigator. He has investigated 9/11 himself. If you are going to deny what he says, then there is simply nobody (But the government themselves...) that can convince you of government involvement/criminal negligence...however you want to put it. Ruppert has years of investigating experience, you gotta atleast hear him out.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Michael C Rupport is also a master at manipulating minds. I suggest you watch his video after you read about persuasion, brainwashing, and fallicious logic.
You can start with How Thinking Goes Wrong, and observe how he uses the techniques described there to convince you that his accusations are fact through misguided logic. I will give you some specific examples once I finish watching the 2 hours of video...
As a caveat, I need to remind those that read my statements about faulty logic: Just because someone uses faulty logic to arrive at a conclusion is not proof in itself that the conclusion is wrong, just that the method to achieve that conclusion is flawed and requires further investigation.
Well I read it and it makes sense. Unfortunately many of manipulating and false logic of 9/11 "facts" can be pointed right at the government. Good information though.
Btw you seem extremely picky about any piece of information that could be called evidence. Now thats good but there is also a thing called "beyond a reasonable doubt", which means if you take all the evidence as a whole and it shows the government had motive, means and opportunity then you could convict them.
The government had all three of them easily. When I say Government, I mean just the top of the hierarchy like Bush, Cheney, The Administration...ect.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I'm not denying there is a point at which you reach a "critical mass" for evidence, whether arrived at through good or "bad" logic.
I guess I have reached a point at which I am overloaded on this subject. When I said earlier that I have been researching whether there is a third explaination outside the lines of the 2 primary ones we see, I was serious, and have been for some time. My biggest problem has been that there is a shortage of cold hard facts so you have to dig into the depths of history, like explained by Rupport, to find the roots. There is a gap in information that you have to take a leap of faith I am not willing to make. My only real goal in this discussion has been to try and express the need for anyone who has a conscience for 9/11 to look long and hard at everything you can find before you subscribe to any single side.
Back to the original topic, I just don't believe that Charlie Sheen has devoted many braincells to subscribing to the "big conspiracy" theory.
BTW, I know I said I was going to give examples of the faults in the Rupport's logic, but it is just too many. The link I gave previously should give enough knowledge for anyone caring to see for themselves. Just remember that faulty logic does not always mean faulty conclusion.
Well I feel I have seen enough evidence to justify my distrust for anything the Bush administration says. I think the facts that you want are inside the CIA, FBI, White house, NSA, databases...good luck getting to them.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
You think Osama confessed? Check this out http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html, you can watch the tape (although its kind of long and boring, so take a glance) and then you can look at pictures when you scroll down and another tape of the real Osama for comparing. I suggest you read the whole article because they talk about things other than just appearance.
Also here is another picture vs picture http://www.rense.com/general18/face.htm
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
“It’s been said that all truth passes
through 3 stages. The first stage being denial. The second stage being
violent opposition. And the 3rd stage being widespread acceptance as
common knowledge. Well as you view this documentary keep in mind that
people watching will probably fall into one of those 3 categories. One
group of people will absolutely deny that what they’re seeing could
possibly be true. The second group of people will be violently opposed
to this kind of information being released, and they’ll do everything
that they can to discredit the messenger, rather than pay attention to
the message. And yet there will probably be a third group of people who
will sit back in their easy chairs and say, "I’m not surprised, I knew
it all along.""
Back on topic a bit, I looked up Sharlie Sheen and his involvment into 9/11.
Turns out he is one of the most well informed persons on the planet about this thing.
Literally spends all his free time investigating and researching the facts and rumors.
Not saying this makes his word any more valid, however it is safe to assume he knows more about this then any of us here does.
Who would have imagined?
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Thats a pretty bold statement, I think you will be getting some flames headed your way hehe. But I agree with Charlie so I agree with you.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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