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Makes you think: A Dev's comment
ClaudeFR
Member Posts: 376
Ok, this is what dev SWEDE posted somewhere in the long thread
The long SWG Thread
Quote:
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Sorry, I was out sick when this thread was going on. My "secret project" was in fact an expansion. The reason I couldn't come out and say that was because we weren't sure we would go ahead with it and we have now decided not to. I'm still with SWG and I'm currently working on a high level content event that will be showed off at E3 and will be put in to the game in a publish (free of charge of course).
Sorry for causing a lot of concern, it was not my intention.
Sincerely,
Niklas "Swede" Johansson
Star Wars Galaxies Game Designer
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The interessting bit is here:
>>was because we weren't sure we would go ahead (rem:with the expansion) with it and we have now decided
>>not to
1. SoE isnt deciding, its SoE AND LA
2. A moneymaker like an expansion isnt cancelled without an important reason
So i wonder...what made Lucas Art (and SoE) finally cancelling this Expansion ?
I dont believe in "we fix bugs first, then we add new stuff".
They were not doing this since 3 years and they wont change this now suddenly.
So it must be something else, something "in the piepe" drawing an expansion "MAYBE" worthless.
The only thing drawing an expansion worthless, is to take away the code its based on....
I dont say anything, i just wonder....
Claude
Comments
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
More than likely, the expansion that was in the works went against Smedleys new "plan" that hes spoken of, the game not being fun and then turning up the volume or whatever the hell he said. Before they add new expansions they need to make stuff from the current ones aquirable...like the YT-2400.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
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Do not hate it, but instead embrace the diversity.
Smed already stated on the "post-a-thon" the other day that they were working on a new expansion, but they decided to "postpone it while fixing the game".
I figure that if they release another expansion, even their supporters would be pissed about it. And since SOE seems to be in let's-not-step-into-any-more-toes mode, they decided to pospone it and instead dangle a little carrot in front of the current players so they won't loose any more subs.
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Lol if anyone wants any more proof that the player base they are going for is the 12 year old I want it all handed to me now people.. Check out this post from SWG forums.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=677262
The OP is actually complaining because he wants them to give him a flash speeder. Others go on to support this statement saying that the time of people getting stuff like that are over with. Don't the NGE starter kits, which is gheared for the kids, have the instant travel kit.
/rant on
Im thinking screw SOE. Let them cater to the brady bunch... I want someone else to amke my sandbox game where you must be 18 or over to play.
/rant off
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
Who wants to bet they will try and eventually push out an expansion by at least Christmas time? My guess -> digital download only, and a "small" expansion. Compared to others, and its rushed out the door like crazy. They will start work on it near the end of summer.
Thats my bet.
It was stated by one of the red names on the forum (Julio or Smed even), that they are releasing two expansions this year. That was before they stated there is no expansion "currently" in the works.
I see no reason why they shouldn't release two, one for summer, one for christmas. Despite the questionable quality, these things take time to make, so they are definitely in the pipeline already.
And I also see no reason why they shouldn't cost money. Those that play will pay.
The reason for expansion is simple. The majority of long-term player generated content is gone. Now they are forced to provide static content just to prolong the player's subscriptions. Patches and bug fixes are ok, but they don't affect content.And the proverbial carebears do not care about GCW or any kind of form of pvp, so even fantastic realization of such systems would apeal to a small number of people (50-200 per server). This figure was always the same.
Originally posted by Spathotan
More than likely, the expansion that was in the works went against Smedleys new "plan" that hes spoken of, the game not being fun and then turning up the volume or whatever the hell he said. Before they add new expansions they need to make stuff from the current ones aquirable...like the YT-2400.
I cant believe that...no....
If there is one thing you can bet your life on, its the greedyness of both; LA and SoE.
They NEVER cancelled an expansion so far, bugs or not, fun or not.
They were always about "lets do it, we fix/correct things while its up" - seeing the money an expansion could gain.
So i really have "problems" believing that they postponed this expansion for the sake of basic-game quality.
And esp. Lucas wouldnt do that....Lucas would be more like
"Well SoE, if you coded bad...your boo boo...fix it, work 25h...work 9 days a week, we dont care, but 01. May the expansion goes life or you face problems".
They did that to Bioware (Kotor Patch), they did that more then once to SoE, they are not "suddenly" facing the truth and start to miss money just because the remaining players are yapping for bugfixes.
I mean, in the past there were more then a quarter million players begging for bugfixes - and ignored. And now they suddenly start to do THAT - when just a minor remaining customerbase is partly asking for it ?
No...something is in the pipeline....dunno what...but something is....
Claude
Its just more PR spin people. Come on, when has SOE ever stopped to fix the game before adding expansions ?
Fact is there isnt enough players left to justify the costs of another expansion. Of course SOE will spin it to their benefit...ie. we have decided to fix things first.
You bet that the accounting dept of SOE said.."wait a sec, 40k players x $30 = 1.2 million
And thats if 100% of the remaining players all buy it. Expansions cost a lot more than 1.2 million to develop, therefore a net loss to SOE
SOE has repeatedly stated in the past that they will no longer release free content for this game. And they've proven that....the last free content (major) was the corellian corvette 2 years ago. The fact that they are doing it now says the game is dead
SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
hmm yeah your right....been a while.
Back then they pumped out quite a few dungeons monthly. If I recall, it was Warren, Geonosian Cave, Corellian Corvette, and the DWB. Then nada
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Mando armour and the Jetpack are prestige rewards and if you see someone wearing them you know that a lot of time and effort went into getting it. People kill hundreds of those wraiths and they might only get 1 or 2 BL's or PLCs. I don't think you can call it a failure when nearly everyone has a Jetpack on their list of things to aquire.
There's more to the DWB then just the Mando armour and Jetpack. There's the Mando wine schematics which was and still is one of the best buffs in the game, the DE-10 pistol schematic and barrels, Executioners Hack and others I'm probably forgetting.
Mando armour and the Jetpack are prestige rewards and if you see someone wearing them you know that a lot of time and effort went into getting it. People kill hundreds of those wraiths and they might only get 1 or 2 BL's or PLCs. I don't think you can call it a failure when nearly everyone has a Jetpack on their list of things to aquire.
There's more to the DWB then just the Mando armour and Jetpack. There's the Mando wine schematics which was and still is one of the best buffs in the game, the DE-10 pistol schematic and barrels, Executioners Hack and others I'm probably forgetting.
The DE-10 stuff never droped, neither did the Executioners Hacks. There was a period of time in the game before the CU where those items went extinct basically because of that. And the Executioners Hack was worthless anyways, dumbass powerhammers were twice as good. I got my 1st DE-10 schem and barrel from a trade, and farmed for my 2nd set. Then they stoped dropping after that. I had people offering me 50million credits for my medicore 350 damage one. I had a friend that farmed that place daily for 5+ hours a day for a barrel and never got one, over a 2 month period until he gave up.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
I do think if the ps 3 comes out has high as 500 + they will lose the next generation console race just because of gas, electricty prices, oil prices home heating oil, will just bring to much to consumers come fall, winter of 2006.
I do think the only reason the expansion was cancled had nada to do with bug fixes but the lack of player support, skeleton crew left to produce needed patches, and the inability for the bean counters to show a profit for the expansion.
They will dangle free content for a while hope the subscription rates come back up coast till ps 3 release then decide there next course of action.
But they are running conserned not for the down fall of swg but for the possiblity of ps3 missing the mark completely .
How was the last expansion (Trials of Obi-Wan)?
Ken
Mustafar is great, if you want to get up to 90.
Its kind of a mandatory expanision if you want to get anywhere.
I don't think anything is in the pipeline. I blame Lucasarts, just as much as SOE. An original idea hasn't come out of Lucasarts in ages, neither has an original game. They have been just outputting Star Wars this, and Star Wars that, all of which use someone else's engine or someone else's model for a game.
I think XvT was one of the last good Star Wars games that came out that wasn't "dumbed down" for the masses. Rebellion was alright but it seemed a bit slow, and a bit dull, and difficult with a huge learning curve.
Mustafar is great, if you want to get up to 90.
Its kind of a mandatory expanision if you want to get anywhere.
I don't think anything is in the pipeline. I blame Lucasarts, just as much as SOE. An original idea hasn't come out of Lucasarts in ages, neither has an original game. They have been just outputting Star Wars this, and Star Wars that, all of which use someone else's engine or someone else's model for a game.
I think XvT was one of the last good Star Wars games that came out that wasn't "dumbed down" for the masses. Rebellion was alright but it seemed a bit slow, and a bit dull, and difficult with a huge learning curve.
Ya know what.. This si something I never thought about... They took all the time and effort (if ya wanna call it that) to bring out mustafar... And 2 days after that came the NGE.. 1 of 2 things come to mind...1. Either they were going for a money grab knowing the NGE was coming out.. Or 2. there was absolutely no communication among the different departments. I mean one would think that if it took that much moeny to make an expansion someone might of stood up and said.. Uhmm.. this ight not be a good idea... I mean I also wonder how much money went into the NGE....
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
Then they showed them how 99% of the cancellations from the last 3 months came immediately following the next patch notes... since the bugs THEY hated weren't getting fixed.
Then the accountants said "You do this and we're finished"
Simple.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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The Millenium Lee
Very good explanation, thank you !
I guess thats what happend.
So what do we learned ?
SWG gets no expansion anymore because
a) its so dead that even developing one would cover the costs
b) in this situation we are not doing anything based on a code which is subject to be changed most likely
So SoE KNOWS that their game is so VERY down but still stick to their crappy NGE ?
Hmmm.....astounding.....
Claude
Very good explanation, thank you !
I guess thats what happend.
So what do we learned ?
SWG gets no expansion anymore because
a) its so dead that even developing one would cover the costs
b) in this situation we are not doing anything based on a code which is subject to be changed most likely
So SoE KNOWS that their game is so VERY down but still stick to their crappy NGE ?
Hmmm.....astounding.....
The words pride and/or Lucas Art spring to mind...
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