Originally posted by anaic Originally posted by pirrg Woah... azhrarn, seriously buddy, dont take SWG so seriously. When all is said and done its still a game no matter how much time and money you spent on it. You seem genuinly upset by this whole NGE business so maybe the best thing for your mental health would be to walk away from it all? Why torture yourself by endlessly roaming these forums when you could be doing something constructive with your time?
Get a hobby, find a new game, join a new community or just lay in bed all day and stare at the cieling. Anything is better then wallowing in self-pity.
You should ask yourself that question.
Well, opposed to the OP i actually like the game, and that is why im here, whats your excuse? Like i said, stop torturing yourselves, go play internet tetris, have fun.
_____________________ I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
I understand the OP's problem. Therapy isn't like to cure the problem. The real problem comes from seeing something with potential and watching the potential get pissed away.
I did not go back and take a look at SWG again. Why? I was a dedicated crafter from Day 1. I had a Master Artisan, Master Weaponsmith, and Master Droid Engineer. You could make some money with Master Artisan. You could make lots of money with Master Weaponsmith (although they killed the profession by making loot a pre-requisite), and Master Droid Engineer was broken. I went around harvesting, worked with my factories, ran a store, etc... all while immersed in the Star War's universe. My greatest resource was a player run site called www.swgcraft.com. I was having fun.
However, I ran into what I felt was the biggest money grubbing move of the entire game design. I still think single character server was no more than a cynical move to get more subscriptions. This also served as my limiting factor. I couldn't add a single thing more my character. I was stuck. So I waited for Jump to Lightspeed and hung on. When Jump to Lightspeed game out, I tried that part of the game, decided I was done, and unsubscribed.
After all this time, I keep coming back and giving the game another look. Luckily, before I subscribe, I read the boards. I check to see if my beloved crafting made the game again. After all, one part of the game that I've seen universely praised was the crafting. SWG had the best crafting in any MMORPG and they took that out. If you went to other MMORPG forums, you would still see SWG crafters looking for a crafting fix half as good. I would laugh that anyone would take out something universally praised and replace that with nothing. Way to floor it in reverse. That will win you some races if you race demolition derby.
I check to see if Star Wars has been put back into Star Wars Galaxy. Since crafting and Star War has happened in this game, I can just go back to pinning about what was and could have been.
Originally posted by pirrg Woah... azhrarn, seriously buddy, dont take SWG so seriously. When all is said and done its still a game no matter how much time and money you spent on it. You seem genuinly upset by this whole NGE business so maybe the best thing for your mental health would be to walk away from it all? Why torture yourself by endlessly roaming these forums when you could be doing something constructive with your time?
Get a hobby, find a new game, join a new community or just lay in bed all day and stare at the cieling. Anything is better then wallowing in self-pity.
I like self inflicted pain and it's either "torturing" myself by roaming these forums for free or pay SOE money to play the NGE.
I'm saving my money.
******************************** SWG pre cu - never forgotten.
Even though I'm sure that in your post you're being honest with yourself, through its vehement negativity it doesn't feel as though the reader is being dealt with honestly. It's very clear that you didn't enjoy what you saw in the game. It's also obvious that you didn't allow yourself any opportunity to see what good there might have been.
Because you approached it with a, "what can I find to hate?" attitude instead of a, "let's see what I can get out of this," mindset, your experience was doomed before you even hit the "Resubscribe" button and your post unfortunately reads as an agenda driven vent as opposed to anything truly reflective.
It may have aided your objectivity if you had given yourself more time and distance from the game before trying it out again.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
I just love how the fanbois always try to turn away or flame even the lightest critiques, reviews, articles, and posts that are negative about SWG in someway.
When a paper does an article reporting how underhanded it was for SOE to bring out the NGE, all of a sudden that paper is useless and never was any good to begin with. Or when a site posts a very negative review the fanbois say its an unreliable or onesided site.
The OP comes here and says they retried SWG and says honestly what they thought. Another person tries to get them to walk away quietly. "Ok you found you dont like it now please leave." But the unwritten words were very clear" Leave and dont speak the truth about this game anymore because deep down I know this game stinks so bad it cant take the negative critiques."
Then another person even goes so far as too analyze the OP with things like they werent in the 'right mindset' and such. OMG. That is hirlarious. Like they should release a warning as you install the thing that says "Please dont play this game unless your in a mindset that will make you love this game."
Basically unless your going to write favorable reviews or make glowing critiques then you better just keep quiet or dont play the game unless you are going to promote the thing. Last time I saw additudes like that was in an old 1930s newsreel. It was hard to makeout though because it was in black and white and everyone was speaking GERMAN!!!!!
Originally posted by kaibigan34 I just love how the fanbois always try to turn away or flame even the lightest critiques, reviews, articles, and posts that are negative about SWG in someway.
When a paper does an article reporting how underhanded it was for SOE to bring out the NGE, all of a sudden that paper is useless and never was any good to begin with. Or when a site posts a very negative review the fanbois say its an unreliable or onesided site.
The OP comes here and says they retried SWG and says honestly what they thought. Another person tries to get them to walk away quietly. "Ok you found you dont like it now please leave." But the unwritten words were very clear" Leave and dont speak the truth about this game anymore because deep down I know this game stinks so bad it cant take the negative critiques."
Then another person even goes so far as too analyze the OP with things like they werent in the 'right mindset' and such. OMG. That is hirlarious. Like they should release a warning as you install the thing that says "Please dont play this game unless your in a mindset that will make you love this game."
Basically unless your going to write favorable reviews or make glowing critiques then you better just keep quiet or dont play the game unless you are going to promote the thing. Last time I saw additudes like that was in an old 1930s newsreel. It was hard to makeout though because it was in black and white and everyone was speaking GERMAN!!!!!
Kai
I think you are being a bit dramatic here. I havent seen the "fanbois" do anything you have described, and if they have, it would be obvious to everyone, so whats the point. If anything, Ive noticed the people who hate swg do it more then the fanbois. They'll take anything written on any weblog or obscure website as proof that swg is closing down next week or john smedly's been fired or any other crazy rumor you've heard lately.
And mindset is probably the most important thing when it comes to trying anything new. If all you've heard or remembered about it are negative things, then you'll be so focused on them and you'll look over anything good. It's pretty common knowledge. Im not saying thats what the op did, i cant read her mind, but the person you've quoted said she should go in with an open and neutral mind and you just took that and ran with it.
And for your last paragraph, thats pretty funny, since most of what is written here are very negative things about soe and nge. When someone posts that they love it or dont think its so bad, they re without fail called "crazy" or a troll or is turned into a resident little funny pet that you can chuckle at. Im not saying you shouldnt voice your opinions and disagree when someone says its great. Im just saying that what you have written about these forums is false in that respect, maybe its true of the official soe forums, but definately not here.
In addressing this thread, there are a couple of obvious, antagonizing fanboi responses. These posters are certainly free to post their 'opinions', but if their delicate sensibilities cannot handle anything but sugar-coated praises of the NGE, they would feel much more comfortable on the SOE forums where negative views are generally censored/deleted. Coming to a forum that is predominantly anti-NGE and intelligently disagreeing or expressing an unpopular opinion is one thing, but to antagonize, insult and all out troll is another.
Azhran, I am sorry that SOE finagled $15.00 from you, but you gave it a go and have a month to 'punish' yourself with the game. Your friends could not ask more of you....well, maybe they could give you a refund!
Originally posted by LilT Originally posted by kaibigan34 I just love how the fanbois always try to turn away or flame even the lightest critiques, reviews, articles, and posts that are negative about SWG in someway.
When a paper does an article reporting how underhanded it was for SOE to bring out the NGE, all of a sudden that paper is useless and never was any good to begin with. Or when a site posts a very negative review the fanbois say its an unreliable or onesided site.
The OP comes here and says they retried SWG and says honestly what they thought. Another person tries to get them to walk away quietly. "Ok you found you dont like it now please leave." But the unwritten words were very clear" Leave and dont speak the truth about this game anymore because deep down I know this game stinks so bad it cant take the negative critiques."
Then another person even goes so far as too analyze the OP with things like they werent in the 'right mindset' and such. OMG. That is hirlarious. Like they should release a warning as you install the thing that says "Please dont play this game unless your in a mindset that will make you love this game."
Basically unless your going to write favorable reviews or make glowing critiques then you better just keep quiet or dont play the game unless you are going to promote the thing. Last time I saw additudes like that was in an old 1930s newsreel. It was hard to makeout though because it was in black and white and everyone was speaking GERMAN!!!!!
Kai
I think you are being a bit dramatic here. I havent seen the "fanbois" do anything you have described, and if they have, it would be obvious to everyone, so whats the point. If anything, Ive noticed the people who hate swg do it more then the fanbois. They'll take anything written on any weblog or obscure website as proof that swg is closing down next week or john smedly's been fired or any other crazy rumor you've heard lately.
And mindset is probably the most important thing when it comes to trying anything new. If all you've heard or remembered about it are negative things, then you'll be so focused on them and you'll look over anything good. It's pretty common knowledge. Im not saying thats what the op did, i cant read her mind, but the person you've quoted said she should go in with an open and neutral mind and you just took that and ran with it.
And for your last paragraph, thats pretty funny, since most of what is written here are very negative things about soe and nge. When someone posts that they love it or dont think its so bad, they re without fail called "crazy" or a troll or is turned into a resident little funny pet that you can chuckle at. Im not saying you shouldnt voice your opinions and disagree when someone says its great. Im just saying that what you have written about these forums is false in that respect, maybe its true of the official soe forums, but definately not here.
Back to Azhrarn...I have a month to work my magic and from what I saw in the cantina today, it looks like I have helpers
Good write up, Az. Your feelings and observations pretty much reflect my mindset and assumptions. Ignore the hateboys and "essay critics" - you came and told your story and those who understand your angle heard you loud and clear. Critiquing your approach or how you spend your time is mindless banter in the scheme of things and in many ways a one armed defense that collapses upon itself. Again, thanks for the post. Have a good holiday!
Shayde is right, you bring the baked goods to the next meeting.
Originally posted by Kazara In addressing this thread, there are a couple of obvious, antagonizing fanboi responses. These posters are certainly free to post their 'opinions', but if their delicate sensibilities cannot handle anything but sugar-coated praises of the NGE, they would feel much more comfortable on the SOE forums where negative views are generally censored/deleted. Coming to a forum that is predominantly anti-NGE and intelligently disagreeing or expressing an unpopular opinion is one thing, but to antagonize, insult and all out troll is another. Azhran, I am sorry that SOE finagled $15.00 from you, but you gave it a go and have a month to 'punish' yourself with the game. Your friends could not ask more of you....well, maybe they could give you a refund!
I certainly hope you are not reffering to me , I simply said its hard to accept a review when the reviewer did not delve that deep into the game . They can hate it all they want , But this is not a review there is nothing informative contained only opinions . from a jaded point of view . Not that that is a bad thing , simply if the op wanted only" sugar coated " replies why bother posting in a public forum ?
Besides who was it that told someone to die in a fire ? That point alone kinda makes what you just said void .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by LilT Originally posted by kaibigan34 I just love how the fanbois always try to turn away or flame even the lightest critiques, reviews, articles, and posts that are negative about SWG in someway.
When a paper does an article reporting how underhanded it was for SOE to bring out the NGE, all of a sudden that paper is useless and never was any good to begin with. Or when a site posts a very negative review the fanbois say its an unreliable or onesided site.
The OP comes here and says they retried SWG and says honestly what they thought. Another person tries to get them to walk away quietly. "Ok you found you dont like it now please leave." But the unwritten words were very clear" Leave and dont speak the truth about this game anymore because deep down I know this game stinks so bad it cant take the negative critiques."
Then another person even goes so far as too analyze the OP with things like they werent in the 'right mindset' and such. OMG. That is hirlarious. Like they should release a warning as you install the thing that says "Please dont play this game unless your in a mindset that will make you love this game."
Basically unless your going to write favorable reviews or make glowing critiques then you better just keep quiet or dont play the game unless you are going to promote the thing. Last time I saw additudes like that was in an old 1930s newsreel. It was hard to makeout though because it was in black and white and everyone was speaking GERMAN!!!!!
Kai
I think you are being a bit dramatic here. I havent seen the "fanbois" do anything you have described, and if they have, it would be obvious to everyone, so whats the point. If anything, Ive noticed the people who hate swg do it more then the fanbois. They'll take anything written on any weblog or obscure website as proof that swg is closing down next week or john smedly's been fired or any other crazy rumor you've heard lately.
First off this is from a post in this very thread from pirrg "Walk away, the NGE is here to stay." Well sounds to me like someone trying to say to leave if you dont like it. hmmmm.
And mindset is probably the most important thing when it comes to trying anything new. If all you've heard or remembered about it are negative things, then you'll be so focused on them and you'll look over anything good. It's pretty common knowledge. Im not saying thats what the op did, i cant read her mind, but the person you've quoted said she should go in with an open and neutral mind and you just took that and ran with it.
The poster is saying "Its not the game's fault. Its all yours. The game is perfect so if you dont see it then your the one at fault. Not the game."
And for your last paragraph, thats pretty funny, since most of what is written here are very negative things about soe and nge. When someone posts that they love it or dont think its so bad, they re without fail called "crazy" or a troll or is turned into a resident little funny pet that you can chuckle at. Im not saying you shouldnt voice your opinions and disagree when someone says its great. Im just saying that what you have written about these forums is false in that respect, maybe its true of the official soe forums, but definately not here.
If someone likes the game then great. Put their money where their mouth is. Instead people who supposedly love this game wont point out the good points very often. If someone writes what they think and its negative the gang of fanbois come in and start picking out grammatical errors, mention mindsets, or just tell the person they should leave.
I think this is because there arent many good points left and they know it. Since they cant fight the battle on issues they use other tactics. Its like a dang politcal debate. "We cant find anything wrong with what they are saying so lets find something dirty in their past or look at how they are saying it."
If this game is so perfect there should be no end of material in the game they could use as examples to fight a negative post. The truth however is far different. And they prove it with every post.
The only area of true contention now is the actual numbers of subs. The pro-NGEers keep trying to say the servers are jumping and full of people while the anti-NGEers are saying its rare to see anyone. The pro-NGEers are losing ground though. With each new day people leave. And there werent that many after the NGE to begin with.
Sorry Mal that wasnt directed at you. It was directed at duggo's last post. These forums messed up who I quoted from.
Point of view is everything. Everyone is not identical. Everyone sees things from their own point of view. And that goes for fanbois and haters alike. It doesnt matter what your mindset is or what your thinking going in. Because if your going to start picking at that then you need to have every single reviewer tell what kind of day they had, what they ate, if they got angry at someone at work, etc before writing a review.
I have played a game and absolutely hated it eventhough I had very high expectations for it. And I have played games when I was sure it would stink going in, only to be surprised how good the game was after.
What if the OP had extremely high expectations for the game and went in thinking how great it would be only to come out saying it stunk? Would you pick that apart saying "Well you shouldnt haev had such a high opinion of it before." If you say no then your hypocritical at best. Samething if it was the opposite and they went in hating it only to come out loving it.
If that is a valid argument then every single person who loves the game I have this to say "Your expectations are too high. You have to much of a "love this game" mindset and its not fair to anyone who hates this game to read your reviews since your mindset isnt right." Stupid thing to say right? Samething your saying just from the other extreme.
If this game is so perfect there should be no end of material in the game they could use as examples to fight a negative post. The truth however is far different. And they prove it with every post.
So true.
Any pre-cu fan is able to talk hours on end about how great the game was. They'll tell you stories, events, battles, gossip, achievements, role-playing, ....
You don't hear that anymore. Not even from fans. They simply say: Just quit, It'll be a better game for me.
When this became rampant in AO, it was not long till the free play was introduced. It was the only way to save the game.
There was lots of whining pre-cu, but people were not hostile in this way. You did not post something, only to be yelled you should quit. People would give semi-constructive advice to at least try something else, or be even willing to help.
And once players actually want to get rid of others, that is the sign of a dying game. It's happened before, and is incredibly consistent indicator.
I come on the forums here about 2-3 times a week, and see people defending SWG to those people I’d like to ask why, why come here to an independent forum to defend SWG what’s in it for you? TBH it can not be to give us balance and you’ll never change anyone’s mind here about SOE/LA they fucked us over end of story and if you never liked the game before why did you play it. Why did you hang around?
What about the game do you really still play? And I mean really play the game like we all did Pre-Cu, when all we could do all day was wait for work to finish. we would hurry home so we could continue the eternal grind of the Jedi, or hunt them, (BH) or kill as many krayts or night sisters because you need some credits for your weekend PvP battles, craft and restock your vender’s as the weekend would no doubt bring new customers or just go to the cantina’s to socialise, or do you just mull around waiting for things to happen. In the vain hope that an old friend will log in and an hours worth of fun may then happen.
Just what fun can you have in galaxies now? Is it the bugs logging to see what you can and can’t do, it’s that it? You subscribe to the bug lottery on what you’re able to do that day and hope that it will get better. I mean, after 3 years of day by day more bugs added and fuck up after fuck up do you really think the next patch will make it all ok?
Answers on a post card to J Smedley (or his successor) c/o kiss-arse drive, rimmersville, Austin, Texas
If this game is so perfect there should be no end of material in the game they could use as examples to fight a negative post. The truth however is far different. And they prove it with every post.
So true.
Any pre-cu fan is able to talk hours on end about how great the game was. They'll tell you stories, events, battles, gossip, achievements, role-playing, ....
You don't hear that anymore. Not even from fans. They simply say: Just quit, It'll be a better game for me.
When this became rampant in AO, it was not long till the free play was introduced. It was the only way to save the game.
There was lots of whining pre-cu, but people were not hostile in this way. You did not post something, only to be yelled you should quit. People would give semi-constructive advice to at least try something else, or be even willing to help.
And once players actually want to get rid of others, that is the sign of a dying game. It's happened before, and is incredibly consistent indicator.
This is only an opinion and I could be wrong but I think I know why this is so. I think its the "I am a fool if I quit." additude. There are times when you get into a game and you know its bad. You know honestly that the thing stinks. Yet your afraid to quit because if you do you might be looked at like a fool. I have felt that before. "Jeez this thing stinks but if I quit then everyone will think I am an idiot."
And usually this is when the largest amount of fanboism pops up. Because you cant just go on playing quietly either. Because you still think your fool for playing. So you have to actively search out and fight every negative thing you can find. Sadly if you continue you get deeper and deeper into it.
For some reason they dont mind that the majority look at them like morons for playing. I havent figured this one out but again I have felt this before also. I didnt mind people thinking I was idiot for playing. I was worried what people would think if I quit though.
But its no one's fault. There was a time anyone who played SWG was looked down upon in other games. I have seen that on many forums. Try to make a honest comment on a thread about combat in an MMO and be told your opinion is worthless because you played SWG willingly. I have seen this first hand several times.
But now its almost cool to be a SWG refugee. People actually come to you and talk to you like your opinion matters more then someone who played any other game. Its almost like a badge of honor to be associated with SWG. Like someone who was in a prison camp. "What you played SWG? Wow! That is amazing you came through that experiance not hating computer games all together."
One of my accounts I had a dancer/musician giving bot buffs in the Rebel Outpost on Rori on the Ahazi server. She did pretty good getting tips. From what you're saying, it seems that character would no longer be useful. Its too bad that the game seems so shallow now. One thing I loved about the game was how "rich" the experiance was.
Rich gameplay is afk playing? Before you get mad, you should know I was only kidding.
I have to agree with the OP. I played the game for a few months at release. I went back after the changes and they had totally killed the game off for me. It was not even a little fun. They screwed up the fighting to where it was damn near impossible for me to kill anything. Nothing was fun there anymore. It was 10 times more fun before, and I quit because I thought the game was dull to begin with. But I could understand a little before why some people liked it. Now it's just acky, and needs to be put to rest.
Why did they kill this game off? Is it because they want a console game? Let me say that not everyone likes console games. I can't stand them personally. I've always had console systems sitting around the house. But I don't touch them. Why SOE is so big is beyond me, they've made one decent game. Well I'm not figuring planetside into it because I didn't play it out of beta. But lets look at the rest...EQ1 was the decent game "they made". EQ 2 was boring and the art in the game sucked in my opinion...SWG was ok at first but quickly grew boring. Not sure if it's because they started changing things drastically right away. The devs in SWG seemed to throw out a change anytime someone whined. Like they tried too hard to please everyone. If only they knew that when you try pleasing everyone, you'll please no one. They also couldn't grasp this simple concept.....If you drive most of your playerbase away, nobody is ever going to trust them or the game again. They just killed what should have been a great game. How LA and SOE can screw up a universe as deep as Star Wars, just blows my mind away.
I want to thank you for sharing your experience with us. I know its painfull when we have to come back in from a relapse, but I hope you know were all here for you. Even the ones still in denial and living in the disease have welcomed you back with open arms. If nothing else, your brave retelling of your time out in the cold will help someone else who is feeling nostalgic and romancing the disease from going back out there. Now come on up here and get your white chip and big hug.
/wookiehug
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Originally posted by kaibigan34 I just love how the fanbois always try to turn away or flame even the lightest critiques, reviews, articles, and posts that are negative about SWG in someway.
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Kai
Kai,
You and your ilk are hopeless. You try to label every poster who does not tow the "Death to SWG" line as a troll, fanboi and forum nazi. You childishly accuse them of attempting to quash dissenting opinion, when in fact you are the ones who do what you can to derail any worthwhile dialogue with flames, dismissals and rhetoric. You do your best to make it understood that if it isn't "Anti-SOE" it doesn't belong on these forums.
It's unfortunate that open forums like these often find themselves inhabited by close-minded people like you.
Re: my critique of the OP. You (unsurprisingly) missed the point. I'm not telling her that her opinions are wrong, that SWG-NGE deserves better or that she should shut up if she doesn't like the game -- as much as you wish I was, I'm not. What I am telling her is that, for all her effort to keep note of her opinions and writing them up here, in my opinion, the way she wrote it up hurts the credibility of the post. An objective reader is going to look at that and not going to see it as serving any other purpose than venting. Only a bigot like yourself is going to read that and truly consider it a report that is truly reflective of how the game is. I took the time to read her post and decided, since I've seen her make some great posts in the past, to take the time to give her feedback on the post.
No post I make is capable of taking her opinion away, and fortunately, no post of yours can do likewise to my opinion.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
Originally posted by kaibigan34 I just love how the fanbois always try to turn away or flame even the lightest critiques, reviews, articles, and posts that are negative about SWG in someway.
... Kai
Kai,
You and your ilk are hopeless. You try to label every poster who does not tow the "Death to SWG" line as a troll, fanboi and forum nazi. You childishly accuse them of attempting to quash dissenting opinion, when in fact you are the ones who do what you can to derail any worthwhile dialogue with flames, dismissals and rhetoric. You do your best to make it understood that if it isn't "Anti-SOE" it doesn't belong on these forums.
Basically your doing the exact samething. "Pot! Come in Pot! This is kettle! Over!"
It's unfortunate that open forums like these often find themselves inhabited by close-minded people like you.
Re: my critique of the OP. You (unsurprisingly) missed the point. I'm not telling her that her opinions are wrong, that SWG-NGE deserves better or that she should shut up if she doesn't like the game -- as much as you wish I was, I'm not. What I am telling her is that, for all her effort to keep note of her opinions and writing them up here, in my opinion, the way she wrote it up hurts the credibility of the post. An objective reader is going to look at that and not going to see it as serving any other purpose than venting. Only a bigot like yourself is going to read that and truly consider it a report that is truly reflective of how the game is. I took the time to read her post and decided, since I've seen her make some great posts in the past, to take the time to give her feedback on the post.
No post I make is capable of taking her opinion away, and fortunately, no post of yours can do likewise to my opinion.
-d
As I said in another post, point of view and mindsets going in cant be dictated and cant be used to fight dissenting or approving opinions. You say she shouldnt have gone into the thing with the mindset she had. If someone came on here saying they were expecting an awesome game and how wonderful it would be then to write a glowing review saying the game is better then any other, I seriously doubt your going to be there chastizing her for having an overinflated opinion of the game going in.
If you have that view then every single review or opinion is wrong or has to be considered flawed completely since the person might have had the wrong mindset. You dont know what a person is thinking going in or while playing all the time. And saying a negative review is just someone having a bad day is a feudal at best to try to give reasons why they are flawed.
I have played games I knew would be the greatest thing going in only to find they stunk and I have gone into a game thinking it would be the worst thing ever only to find the game was great. But on the other note I have also found games I hated going in and hated coming out. Vice versa as well.
Because if this whole "negative mindset going in" is a bad thing then anyone who goes into the game thinking its wonderful is just as bad. Basically the only opinions worth anything or having any truth will be those taken from completely and totally unbiased and neutral mindsets. Guess what dude. THEY DONT EXIST!!!!!
So that means there should be no opinions offered and no reviews made because, hey, everyone has something going on in their minds. Basically you just killed 70% of the reason why these forums are used. "Oh you like the game? Well you opinion is crap because you have the wrong mindset. Oh you hate the game? Well your opinion is also crap because you have the wrong mindset."
Personally I believe the persons "mindset" is superfluos, but ultimately "The proof is in the pudding". As far as I can tell the pudding tastes like poo!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by kaibigan34 As I said in another post, point of view and mindsets going in cant be dictated and cant be used to fight dissenting or approving opinions. You say she shouldnt have gone into the thing with the mindset she had. If someone came on here saying they were expecting an awesome game and how wonderful it would be then to write a glowing review saying the game is better then any other, I seriously doubt your going to be there chastizing her for having an overinflated opinion of the game going in.
If you have that view then every single review or opinion is wrong or has to be considered flawed completely since the person might have had the wrong mindset. You dont know what a person is thinking going in or while playing all the time. And saying a negative review is just someone having a bad day is a feudal at best to try to give reasons why they are flawed.
I have played games I knew would be the greatest thing going in only to find they stunk and I have gone into a game thinking it would be the worst thing ever only to find the game was great. But on the other note I have also found games I hated going in and hated coming out. Vice versa as well.
Because if this whole "negative mindset going in" is a bad thing then anyone who goes into the game thinking its wonderful is just as bad. Basically the only opinions worth anything or having any truth will be those taken from completely and totally unbiased and neutral mindsets. Guess what dude. THEY DONT EXIST!!!!!
So that means there should be no opinions offered and no reviews made because, hey, everyone has something going on in their minds. Basically you just killed 70% of the reason why these forums are used. "Oh you like the game? Well you opinion is crap because you have the wrong mindset. Oh you hate the game? Well your opinion is also crap because you have the wrong mindset."
Kai
What you are talking about are peoples' expectations. That is completely different from what I'm talking about and you have confused the two. Expecting something to be completely horrible is not the same as wanting to see something as horrible.
When you expect something to be bad and it turns out to be good, it's possible to see it as being even better than it is due to your surprise. When you want to see something bad you often overlook any positive points something has, and if it still turns out to be good, you tell yourself, "this can't be right," and then proceed to rationalize until you can figure out how to see it as bad. Two completely different things.
And for the record: If someone came in here with a completely off-the-wall post declaring that SWG-NGE was an awesome game where every aspect of the game goes above and beyond anything they've ever hoped and dreamed for (without intending to be a troll) and everyone in the forum was giving them /hi5's and telling them how the OP hit the nail squarely on the head, my critique would be the same. Your report is not going to be effective if it reeks of bias.
Of course, with you and the rest of the "Anti-SOE" goon squad patrolling these forums, I doubt such a situation will ever arise where I'll have to be the one who stands up and says how off base such a "report" would be -- but rest assured, I'm ready, willing and able if it ever does.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
What you are talking about are peoples' expectations. That is completely different from what I'm talking about and you have confused the two. Expecting something to be completely horrible is not the same as wanting to see something as horrible. When you expect something to be bad and it turns out to be good, it's possible to see it as being even better than it is due to your surprise. When you want to see something bad you often overlook any positive points something has, and if it still turns out to be good, you tell yourself, "this can't be right," and then proceed to rationalize until you can figure out how to see it as bad. Two completely different things. And for the record: If someone came in here with a completely off-the-wall post declaring that SWG-NGE was an awesome game where every aspect of the game goes above and beyond anything they've ever hoped and dreamed for (without intending to be a troll) and everyone in the forum was giving them /hi5's and telling them how the OP hit the nail squarely on the head, my critique would be the same. Your report is not going to be effective if it reeks of bias. Of course, with you and the rest of the "Anti-SOE" goon squad patrolling these forums, I doubt such a situation will ever arise where I'll have to be the one who stands up and says how off base such a "report" would be -- but rest assured, I'm ready, willing and able if it ever does. -d
Wanting and expecting are two different things. Your correct there bro. But she is doing exactly what I am talking about and you are chastizing her for doing the other.
This game is gonna suck - Expecting
I hope this game sucks - Wanting
She was expecting. Not wanting. Why would she want that anyway? She is the one spending her money. Sheesh I have never gone into a fastfood place and want to have uncooked food. I have never gone in a mall and want poor customer service. I have never driven down a road and want a traffic ticket. And I sure as hell havent played any games and want them to suck. If I ever played SWG again I would want it to be a good game.
And that is why I am here in the first place. I want SWG to be a good game. You can sit there and try to label me however you want including chastizing me for labelling others (hmmm). Maybe your right and maybe not. I am Anti-NGE and Anti-SOE. But I am Pro-SWG. I have always wanted the game to be a success.
And as for you calling me a member of the Anti-SOE goon squad. At least I dont have an Anti-SOE message in my freaking sig. I maybe Anti-SOE but your a flag waving card carrying member yourself so time to stop acting all high and mighty like everyone else is beneath you. Every single post you make is an Anti-SOE message with that full stop there brother.
The game is in shambles no question. On the official forums there has been requests for a speed tweak. It seems a lot of people could live with a compromise, a running and combat speed that lies somewhere in between.
At one of the summits the answer to this one was that iy should be fast. "...we are giving the fans what they want..."
One must wonder who these so called fans are and if there isn't a difference between fast paced and a chipmunk on crack.
I would like to point out that Azhrarn never said they went back to the game in any other pretense than as a former player who quit because the game sucked ass. So to expect an opinion piece from any other perspective is pretty silly. It's like asking Michael Moore "So, how's President Bush doing?"
Now I'd be the first to start pointing fingers if the OP was written in a way that suggested any different because I've read the rants azhrarn has posted here. I know thier thoughts on SWG and the NGE. But the OP was never written as an "opne minded review" of SWG. It was plainly and simply from the perspective of someone who'd been "tea-bagged" by SOE already and was peer-pressured into re-trying the game.
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Well, opposed to the OP i actually like the game, and that is why im here, whats your excuse? Like i said, stop torturing yourselves, go play internet tetris, have fun.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
I understand the OP's problem. Therapy isn't like to cure the problem. The real problem comes from seeing something with potential and watching the potential get pissed away.
I did not go back and take a look at SWG again. Why? I was a dedicated crafter from Day 1. I had a Master Artisan, Master Weaponsmith, and Master Droid Engineer. You could make some money with Master Artisan. You could make lots of money with Master Weaponsmith (although they killed the profession by making loot a pre-requisite), and Master Droid Engineer was broken. I went around harvesting, worked with my factories, ran a store, etc... all while immersed in the Star War's universe. My greatest resource was a player run site called www.swgcraft.com. I was having fun.
However, I ran into what I felt was the biggest money grubbing move of the entire game design. I still think single character server was no more than a cynical move to get more subscriptions. This also served as my limiting factor. I couldn't add a single thing more my character. I was stuck. So I waited for Jump to Lightspeed and hung on. When Jump to Lightspeed game out, I tried that part of the game, decided I was done, and unsubscribed.
After all this time, I keep coming back and giving the game another look. Luckily, before I subscribe, I read the boards. I check to see if my beloved crafting made the game again. After all, one part of the game that I've seen universely praised was the crafting. SWG had the best crafting in any MMORPG and they took that out. If you went to other MMORPG forums, you would still see SWG crafters looking for a crafting fix half as good. I would laugh that anyone would take out something universally praised and replace that with nothing. Way to floor it in reverse. That will win you some races if you race demolition derby.
I check to see if Star Wars has been put back into Star Wars Galaxy. Since crafting and Star War has happened in this game, I can just go back to pinning about what was and could have been.
Captain John Matin
Royal Red
I like self inflicted pain and it's either "torturing" myself by roaming these forums for free or pay SOE money to play the NGE.
I'm saving my money.
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SWG pre cu - never forgotten.
A critique to the OP:
Even though I'm sure that in your post you're being honest with yourself, through its vehement negativity it doesn't feel as though the reader is being dealt with honestly. It's very clear that you didn't enjoy what you saw in the game. It's also obvious that you didn't allow yourself any opportunity to see what good there might have been.
Because you approached it with a, "what can I find to hate?" attitude instead of a, "let's see what I can get out of this," mindset, your experience was doomed before you even hit the "Resubscribe" button and your post unfortunately reads as an agenda driven vent as opposed to anything truly reflective.
It may have aided your objectivity if you had given yourself more time and distance from the game before trying it out again.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
When a paper does an article reporting how underhanded it was for SOE to bring out the NGE, all of a sudden that paper is useless and never was any good to begin with. Or when a site posts a very negative review the fanbois say its an unreliable or onesided site.
The OP comes here and says they retried SWG and says honestly what they thought. Another person tries to get them to walk away quietly. "Ok you found you dont like it now please leave." But the unwritten words were very clear" Leave and dont speak the truth about this game anymore because deep down I know this game stinks so bad it cant take the negative critiques."
Then another person even goes so far as too analyze the OP with things like they werent in the 'right mindset' and such. OMG. That is hirlarious. Like they should release a warning as you install the thing that says "Please dont play this game unless your in a mindset that will make you love this game."
Basically unless your going to write favorable reviews or make glowing critiques then you better just keep quiet or dont play the game unless you are going to promote the thing. Last time I saw additudes like that was in an old 1930s newsreel. It was hard to makeout though because it was in black and white and everyone was speaking GERMAN!!!!!
Kai
And mindset is probably the most important thing when it comes to trying anything new. If all you've heard or remembered about it are negative things, then you'll be so focused on them and you'll look over anything good. It's pretty common knowledge. Im not saying thats what the op did, i cant read her mind, but the person you've quoted said she should go in with an open and neutral mind and you just took that and ran with it.
And for your last paragraph, thats pretty funny, since most of what is written here are very negative things about soe and nge. When someone posts that they love it or dont think its so bad, they re without fail called "crazy" or a troll or is turned into a resident little funny pet that you can chuckle at. Im not saying you shouldnt voice your opinions and disagree when someone says its great. Im just saying that what you have written about these forums is false in that respect, maybe its true of the official soe forums, but definately not here.
For the Horde!
In addressing this thread, there are a couple of obvious, antagonizing fanboi responses. These posters are certainly free to post their 'opinions', but if their delicate sensibilities cannot handle anything but sugar-coated praises of the NGE, they would feel much more comfortable on the SOE forums where negative views are generally censored/deleted. Coming to a forum that is predominantly anti-NGE and intelligently disagreeing or expressing an unpopular opinion is one thing, but to antagonize, insult and all out troll is another.
Azhran, I am sorry that SOE finagled $15.00 from you, but you gave it a go and have a month to 'punish' yourself with the game.
Your friends could not ask more of you....well, maybe they could give you a refund!
And mindset is probably the most important thing when it comes to trying anything new. If all you've heard or remembered about it are negative things, then you'll be so focused on them and you'll look over anything good. It's pretty common knowledge. Im not saying thats what the op did, i cant read her mind, but the person you've quoted said she should go in with an open and neutral mind and you just took that and ran with it.
And for your last paragraph, thats pretty funny, since most of what is written here are very negative things about soe and nge. When someone posts that they love it or dont think its so bad, they re without fail called "crazy" or a troll or is turned into a resident little funny pet that you can chuckle at. Im not saying you shouldnt voice your opinions and disagree when someone says its great. Im just saying that what you have written about these forums is false in that respect, maybe its true of the official soe forums, but definately not here.
Back to Azhrarn...I have a month to work my magic and from what I saw in the cantina today, it looks like I have helpers
Good write up, Az. Your feelings and observations pretty much reflect my mindset and assumptions. Ignore the hateboys and "essay critics" - you came and told your story and those who understand your angle heard you loud and clear. Critiquing your approach or how you spend your time is mindless banter in the scheme of things and in many ways a one armed defense that collapses upon itself. Again, thanks for the post. Have a good holiday!
Shayde is right, you bring the baked goods to the next meeting.
I certainly hope you are not reffering to me , I simply said its hard to accept a review when the reviewer did not delve that deep into the game . They can hate it all they want , But this is not a review there is nothing informative contained only opinions . from a jaded point of view . Not that that is a bad thing , simply if the op wanted only" sugar coated " replies why bother posting in a public forum ?
Besides who was it that told someone to die in a fire ? That point alone kinda makes what you just said void .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
First off this is from a post in this very thread from pirrg "Walk away, the NGE is here to stay." Well sounds to me like someone trying to say to leave if you dont like it. hmmmm.
And mindset is probably the most important thing when it comes to trying anything new. If all you've heard or remembered about it are negative things, then you'll be so focused on them and you'll look over anything good. It's pretty common knowledge. Im not saying thats what the op did, i cant read her mind, but the person you've quoted said she should go in with an open and neutral mind and you just took that and ran with it.
The poster is saying "Its not the game's fault. Its all yours. The game is perfect so if you dont see it then your the one at fault. Not the game."
And for your last paragraph, thats pretty funny, since most of what is written here are very negative things about soe and nge. When someone posts that they love it or dont think its so bad, they re without fail called "crazy" or a troll or is turned into a resident little funny pet that you can chuckle at. Im not saying you shouldnt voice your opinions and disagree when someone says its great. Im just saying that what you have written about these forums is false in that respect, maybe its true of the official soe forums, but definately not here.
If someone likes the game then great. Put their money where their mouth is. Instead people who supposedly love this game wont point out the good points very often. If someone writes what they think and its negative the gang of fanbois come in and start picking out grammatical errors, mention mindsets, or just tell the person they should leave.
I think this is because there arent many good points left and they know it. Since they cant fight the battle on issues they use other tactics. Its like a dang politcal debate. "We cant find anything wrong with what they are saying so lets find something dirty in their past or look at how they are saying it."
If this game is so perfect there should be no end of material in the game they could use as examples to fight a negative post. The truth however is far different. And they prove it with every post.
The only area of true contention now is the actual numbers of subs. The pro-NGEers keep trying to say the servers are jumping and full of people while the anti-NGEers are saying its rare to see anyone. The pro-NGEers are losing ground though. With each new day people leave. And there werent that many after the NGE to begin with.
Kai
I have played a game and absolutely hated it eventhough I had very high expectations for it. And I have played games when I was sure it would stink going in, only to be surprised how good the game was after.
What if the OP had extremely high expectations for the game and went in thinking how great it would be only to come out saying it stunk? Would you pick that apart saying "Well you shouldnt haev had such a high opinion of it before." If you say no then your hypocritical at best. Samething if it was the opposite and they went in hating it only to come out loving it.
If that is a valid argument then every single person who loves the game I have this to say "Your expectations are too high. You have to much of a "love this game" mindset and its not fair to anyone who hates this game to read your reviews since your mindset isnt right." Stupid thing to say right? Samething your saying just from the other extreme.
Kai
So true.
Any pre-cu fan is able to talk hours on end about how great the game was. They'll tell you stories, events, battles, gossip, achievements, role-playing, ....
You don't hear that anymore. Not even from fans. They simply say: Just quit, It'll be a better game for me.
When this became rampant in AO, it was not long till the free play was introduced. It was the only way to save the game.
There was lots of whining pre-cu, but people were not hostile in this way. You did not post something, only to be yelled you should quit. People would give semi-constructive advice to at least try something else, or be even willing to help.
And once players actually want to get rid of others, that is the sign of a dying game. It's happened before, and is incredibly consistent indicator.
I come on the forums here about 2-3 times a week, and see people defending SWG to those people I’d like to ask why, why come here to an independent forum to defend SWG what’s in it for you? TBH it can not be to give us balance and you’ll never change anyone’s mind here about SOE/LA they fucked us over end of story and if you never liked the game before why did you play it. Why did you hang around?
What about the game do you really still play? And I mean really play the game like we all did Pre-Cu, when all we could do all day was wait for work to finish. we would hurry home so we could continue the eternal grind of the Jedi, or hunt them, (BH) or kill as many krayts or night sisters because you need some credits for your weekend PvP battles, craft and restock your vender’s as the weekend would no doubt bring new customers or just go to the cantina’s to socialise, or do you just mull around waiting for things to happen. In the vain hope that an old friend will log in and an hours worth of fun may then happen.
Just what fun can you have in galaxies now? Is it the bugs logging to see what you can and can’t do, it’s that it? You subscribe to the bug lottery on what you’re able to do that day and hope that it will get better. I mean, after 3 years of day by day more bugs added and fuck up after fuck up do you really think the next patch will make it all ok?
Answers on a post card to J Smedley (or his successor) c/o kiss-arse drive, rimmersville, Austin, Texas
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
And usually this is when the largest amount of fanboism pops up. Because you cant just go on playing quietly either. Because you still think your fool for playing. So you have to actively search out and fight every negative thing you can find. Sadly if you continue you get deeper and deeper into it.
For some reason they dont mind that the majority look at them like morons for playing. I havent figured this one out but again I have felt this before also. I didnt mind people thinking I was idiot for playing. I was worried what people would think if I quit though.
But its no one's fault. There was a time anyone who played SWG was looked down upon in other games. I have seen that on many forums. Try to make a honest comment on a thread about combat in an MMO and be told your opinion is worthless because you played SWG willingly. I have seen this first hand several times.
But now its almost cool to be a SWG refugee. People actually come to you and talk to you like your opinion matters more then someone who played any other game. Its almost like a badge of honor to be associated with SWG. Like someone who was in a prison camp. "What you played SWG? Wow! That is amazing you came through that experiance not hating computer games all together."
Kai
I have to agree with the OP. I played the game for a few months at release. I went back after the changes and they had totally killed the game off for me. It was not even a little fun. They screwed up the fighting to where it was damn near impossible for me to kill anything. Nothing was fun there anymore. It was 10 times more fun before, and I quit because I thought the game was dull to begin with. But I could understand a little before why some people liked it. Now it's just acky, and needs to be put to rest.
Why did they kill this game off? Is it because they want a console game? Let me say that not everyone likes console games. I can't stand them personally. I've always had console systems sitting around the house. But I don't touch them. Why SOE is so big is beyond me, they've made one decent game. Well I'm not figuring planetside into it because I didn't play it out of beta. But lets look at the rest...EQ1 was the decent game "they made". EQ 2 was boring and the art in the game sucked in my opinion...SWG was ok at first but quickly grew boring. Not sure if it's because they started changing things drastically right away. The devs in SWG seemed to throw out a change anytime someone whined. Like they tried too hard to please everyone. If only they knew that when you try pleasing everyone, you'll please no one. They also couldn't grasp this simple concept.....If you drive most of your playerbase away, nobody is ever going to trust them or the game again. They just killed what should have been a great game. How LA and SOE can screw up a universe as deep as Star Wars, just blows my mind away.
Azhrarn:
I want to thank you for sharing your experience with us. I know its painfull when we have to come back in from a relapse, but I hope you know were all here for you. Even the ones still in denial and living in the disease have welcomed you back with open arms. If nothing else, your brave retelling of your time out in the cold will help someone else who is feeling nostalgic and romancing the disease from going back out there. Now come on up here and get your white chip and big hug.
/wookiehug
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Kai,
You and your ilk are hopeless. You try to label every poster who does not tow the "Death to SWG" line as a troll, fanboi and forum nazi. You childishly accuse them of attempting to quash dissenting opinion, when in fact you are the ones who do what you can to derail any worthwhile dialogue with flames, dismissals and rhetoric. You do your best to make it understood that if it isn't "Anti-SOE" it doesn't belong on these forums.
It's unfortunate that open forums like these often find themselves inhabited by close-minded people like you.
Re: my critique of the OP. You (unsurprisingly) missed the point. I'm not telling her that her opinions are wrong, that SWG-NGE deserves better or that she should shut up if she doesn't like the game -- as much as you wish I was, I'm not. What I am telling her is that, for all her effort to keep note of her opinions and writing them up here, in my opinion, the way she wrote it up hurts the credibility of the post. An objective reader is going to look at that and not going to see it as serving any other purpose than venting. Only a bigot like yourself is going to read that and truly consider it a report that is truly reflective of how the game is. I took the time to read her post and decided, since I've seen her make some great posts in the past, to take the time to give her feedback on the post.
No post I make is capable of taking her opinion away, and fortunately, no post of yours can do likewise to my opinion.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
Kai,
You and your ilk are hopeless. You try to label every poster who does not tow the "Death to SWG" line as a troll, fanboi and forum nazi. You childishly accuse them of attempting to quash dissenting opinion, when in fact you are the ones who do what you can to derail any worthwhile dialogue with flames, dismissals and rhetoric. You do your best to make it understood that if it isn't "Anti-SOE" it doesn't belong on these forums.
Basically your doing the exact samething. "Pot! Come in Pot! This is kettle! Over!"It's unfortunate that open forums like these often find themselves inhabited by close-minded people like you.
Re: my critique of the OP. You (unsurprisingly) missed the point. I'm not telling her that her opinions are wrong, that SWG-NGE deserves better or that she should shut up if she doesn't like the game -- as much as you wish I was, I'm not. What I am telling her is that, for all her effort to keep note of her opinions and writing them up here, in my opinion, the way she wrote it up hurts the credibility of the post. An objective reader is going to look at that and not going to see it as serving any other purpose than venting. Only a bigot like yourself is going to read that and truly consider it a report that is truly reflective of how the game is. I took the time to read her post and decided, since I've seen her make some great posts in the past, to take the time to give her feedback on the post.
No post I make is capable of taking her opinion away, and fortunately, no post of yours can do likewise to my opinion.
-d
As I said in another post, point of view and mindsets going in cant be dictated and cant be used to fight dissenting or approving opinions. You say she shouldnt have gone into the thing with the mindset she had. If someone came on here saying they were expecting an awesome game and how wonderful it would be then to write a glowing review saying the game is better then any other, I seriously doubt your going to be there chastizing her for having an overinflated opinion of the game going in.
If you have that view then every single review or opinion is wrong or has to be considered flawed completely since the person might have had the wrong mindset. You dont know what a person is thinking going in or while playing all the time. And saying a negative review is just someone having a bad day is a feudal at best to try to give reasons why they are flawed.
I have played games I knew would be the greatest thing going in only to find they stunk and I have gone into a game thinking it would be the worst thing ever only to find the game was great. But on the other note I have also found games I hated going in and hated coming out. Vice versa as well.
Because if this whole "negative mindset going in" is a bad thing then anyone who goes into the game thinking its wonderful is just as bad. Basically the only opinions worth anything or having any truth will be those taken from completely and totally unbiased and neutral mindsets. Guess what dude. THEY DONT EXIST!!!!!
So that means there should be no opinions offered and no reviews made because, hey, everyone has something going on in their minds. Basically you just killed 70% of the reason why these forums are used. "Oh you like the game? Well you opinion is crap because you have the wrong mindset. Oh you hate the game? Well your opinion is also crap because you have the wrong mindset."
Kai
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
What you are talking about are peoples' expectations. That is completely different from what I'm talking about and you have confused the two. Expecting something to be completely horrible is not the same as wanting to see something as horrible.
When you expect something to be bad and it turns out to be good, it's possible to see it as being even better than it is due to your surprise. When you want to see something bad you often overlook any positive points something has, and if it still turns out to be good, you tell yourself, "this can't be right," and then proceed to rationalize until you can figure out how to see it as bad. Two completely different things.
And for the record: If someone came in here with a completely off-the-wall post declaring that SWG-NGE was an awesome game where every aspect of the game goes above and beyond anything they've ever hoped and dreamed for (without intending to be a troll) and everyone in the forum was giving them /hi5's and telling them how the OP hit the nail squarely on the head, my critique would be the same. Your report is not going to be effective if it reeks of bias.
Of course, with you and the rest of the "Anti-SOE" goon squad patrolling these forums, I doubt such a situation will ever arise where I'll have to be the one who stands up and says how off base such a "report" would be -- but rest assured, I'm ready, willing and able if it ever does.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
This game is gonna suck - Expecting
I hope this game sucks - Wanting
She was expecting. Not wanting. Why would she want that anyway? She is the one spending her money. Sheesh I have never gone into a fastfood place and want to have uncooked food. I have never gone in a mall and want poor customer service. I have never driven down a road and want a traffic ticket. And I sure as hell havent played any games and want them to suck. If I ever played SWG again I would want it to be a good game.
And that is why I am here in the first place. I want SWG to be a good game. You can sit there and try to label me however you want including chastizing me for labelling others (hmmm). Maybe your right and maybe not. I am Anti-NGE and Anti-SOE. But I am Pro-SWG. I have always wanted the game to be a success.
And as for you calling me a member of the Anti-SOE goon squad. At least I dont have an Anti-SOE message in my freaking sig. I maybe Anti-SOE but your a flag waving card carrying member yourself so time to stop acting all high and mighty like everyone else is beneath you. Every single post you make is an Anti-SOE message with that full stop there brother.
Kai
The game is in shambles no question. On the official forums there has been requests for a speed tweak. It seems a lot of people could live with a compromise, a running and combat speed that lies somewhere in between.
At one of the summits the answer to this one was that iy should be fast. "...we are giving the fans what they want..."
One must wonder who these so called fans are and if there isn't a difference between fast paced and a chipmunk on crack.
LOL We're arguing over how to argue.
I would like to point out that Azhrarn never said they went back to the game in any other pretense than as a former player who quit because the game sucked ass. So to expect an opinion piece from any other perspective is pretty silly. It's like asking Michael Moore "So, how's President Bush doing?"
Now I'd be the first to start pointing fingers if the OP was written in a way that suggested any different because I've read the rants azhrarn has posted here. I know thier thoughts on SWG and the NGE. But the OP was never written as an "opne minded review" of SWG. It was plainly and simply from the perspective of someone who'd been "tea-bagged" by SOE already and was peer-pressured into re-trying the game.
Oh and were's my cookies and PIE!?