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  • InspGadgtInspGadgt Member Posts: 146

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by InspGadgt

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Ugh, how can anyone live in a country with a health care system such as in the USA?  It seems like you guys all get punished for getting sick :/
    I pay NZ$14 per month for medical insurance.  If I didn't have that and I needed hospital treatment, the governement will pay my medical fees, I just have to sit on a waiting list.  All prescreption medication is subsidised, so most cost less then NZ$40.  If you earn less then a certain amount, it's subsidised even further so you may only pay $5 lol
    Anyway, completely O/T :p

    And how much of your income do you pay to your government in taxes?  In countries where medical care is fully government subsidized income is typically taxed at about 70%.  The US national tax average is around 33%.

    Medical care is not all that hard to get in the US.  Just get a full time job and employers have to provide health care insurance.  Yes this is an oversimplification but it gets the point across.

    I pay 16% :)  Top tax rate is 39%

    Then your getting taxed elsewhere to subsidize medical expenses...Probably in sales taxes and other places.  Either way it takes a lot of money for government to subsidize medical care and that has to come from somewhere.  I'm glad your tax is nice and low but my statement is still true.  MOST contries that have government subsidized medical care for everyone have very high income tax rates.

    Also my health insurance in the US is deducted automatically from my paycheck and is also only about $14 a month if even that much.

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

    Originally posted by Sago

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Ugh, how can anyone live in a country with a health care system such as in the USA?  It seems like you guys all get punished for getting sick :/
    I pay NZ$14 per month for medical insurance.  If I didn't have that and I needed hospital treatment, the governement will pay my medical fees, I just have to sit on a waiting list.  All prescreption medication is subsidised, so most cost less then NZ$40.  If you earn less then a certain amount, it's subsidised even further so you may only pay $5 lol
    Anyway, completely O/T :p

    Do NOT even begin to try to bash the USA. Canada has socialised medicine and they have been try to find a way out of it for years but it is too ingrained.

    I don't have to wait to have an operation and I can go to any doctor I want. I only pay about 35% in taxes ... what percentage do YOU pay?

    Our country is NOT perfect but you have NO right critisizing it.

    Sure he has a right....its called free speech...its what free societies are built on. Thats the problem with us U.S. Americans, we have something to say about everyone else but don't dare say anything bad about us!

    And yes, after being to a few other places in the world our healthcare system does leave alot to be desired. We are one of the few industrialized western nations that does not have some sort of health care for all of its citizans. (I also worked for an insurance company for 6 years so I know a bit about that also)

    And don't even bother to flame me...I work for the U.S. military overseas and I am a war veteran sir. I am up to my eyeballs in this current conflict our country so wisely engaged in. I have both friends and family deployed to assorted conflict regions throughout the world.

    Sorry to get up on my soapbox  You can't fight for freedom then tell people they have no right to use it.

    Back on topic...so how about them galaxies???

  • LovrNoFightrLovrNoFightr Member Posts: 218

    Originally posted by Malickiebloo
    Wow to many people here get way to offended by different opinions so I give up . Have fun crying over your damn Videogame . You all suck at life .

    please /wrist

    Great argument from someone who started a "Save the world " thread...

    ********************************
    SWG pre cu - never forgotten.

  • stevesmithjrstevesmithjr Member Posts: 257

    Originally posted by Malickiebloo
    I would like to point out a few things that do really confuse me over this ongoing debate . Now i understand alot of people have every justification to hate SOE . Yet at the same time i feel some do over exagerate this ordeal . As for the total boycott of SOE /LA LF products I feel there are many organizations out there far more guilty of  shady conduct . Many of which are much more important than a videogame .

    A few examples :

    I'll start with Automobile manufacturers . How much safety testing is really put into a vehicle before it sees an auto lot ? IMo obviously not much , Every month a new company is issuing notices of unsafe /unworkable components . That really should be tested hard and thorough before ever being released to the public . The worst part is most problems don't even come to light until to many people lose their lives (1 is to many IMO )

    Microsoft , Monopolizing  Need i say more ?

    Healthcare providers  :  Health insurance at present is a joke . Many citizens can not even afford it . Should ones health care be based on their income ? It really frustrates me to see how many people out there have no medical protection . What is the point in a Goverment if they look at their citizens as unimportant ? People die everyday due to this utter ignorance .Yet the suits who run this joke of a system get to live pampered lives with little to no worry . It is sick and should be an issue on every citizens mind , everyone should take a stand against this horrible injustice .

    Big Oil : Now this is the devil himself , I mean are we all blind to this monster ? Gas in my area is expected to reach $5.00 a gallon by summer . WHY??!? . When a CEo of one of these companys can give himself a half a billion dollar retirment package . The answer comes like a ten ton iron hitting you in the face . I won't even get into war because that IMO is to much of a politcal stance to take on a videogame forum .


    Now im sure you want to know what my point is . Well its quite simple , Many of you say you are here to inform the public of wrong doing , which can be noble . Yet the energy you spend doing so could be put to better use IMO . There are true problems out in the real world . Use your intelligence and voice to try and make change for something that trully has an impact on us all .

    As for boycotting , The same applies . I mean why boycott entertainment . Honestly it is one of the more noble attempts to have been made in our history . yeah they want profit like everyone else , But hey we pride ourselves on being a capitalistic society .



    This is a GAME DISCUSSION FORUM, not some liberal political platform. There's a place to discuss all the things you mentioned in your post; however this is not it.

    I'm sure a lot of folks can relate to your sentiments. It's like the time Chrysler/Dodge tried to screw me out of a warranty on my car. After it was all over and done with, I made a few hundred posts in various places and made a pretty big stink out of it. But I didn't post on any game forums; it just wasn't the correct venue to vent my frustrations.

    I'll say the majority of us are here because we've been cheated by SOE/LA and we're venting our frustration as this is one of the few places we can go to do so.

    Classic SWG > CUNGE

  • SagoSago Member Posts: 516

    Originally posted by Torak

    Originally posted by Sago

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Ugh, how can anyone live in a country with a health care system such as in the USA?  It seems like you guys all get punished for getting sick :/
    I pay NZ$14 per month for medical insurance.  If I didn't have that and I needed hospital treatment, the governement will pay my medical fees, I just have to sit on a waiting list.  All prescreption medication is subsidised, so most cost less then NZ$40.  If you earn less then a certain amount, it's subsidised even further so you may only pay $5 lol
    Anyway, completely O/T :p

    Do NOT even begin to try to bash the USA. Canada has socialised medicine and they have been try to find a way out of it for years but it is too ingrained.

    I don't have to wait to have an operation and I can go to any doctor I want. I only pay about 35% in taxes ... what percentage do YOU pay?

    Our country is NOT perfect but you have NO right critisizing it.

    Sure he has a right....its called free speech...its what free societies are built on. Thats the problem with us U.S. Americans, we have something to say about everyone else but don't dare say anything bad about us!

    And yes, after being to a few other places in the world our healthcare system does leave alot to be desired. We are one of the few industrialized western nations that does not have some sort of health care for all of its citizans. (I also worked for an insurance company for 6 years so I know a bit about that also)

    And don't even bother to flame me...I work for the U.S. military overseas and I am a war veteran sir. I am up to my eyeballs in this current conflict our country so wisely engaged in. I have both friends and family deployed to assorted conflict regions throughout the world.

    Sorry to get up on my soapbox  You can't fight for freedom then tell people they have no right to use it.

    Back on topic...so how about them galaxies???

    You are the person that started the other thread where you and Malckibloo started critisizing people posting their discontent about SWG, $OE, and $LA. So in that instance we need to get over it, it's just a game, and all that crap, thus basically telling people that you don't enjoy reading their negative posts.

    Now here you are defending someone that is critsizing USA because it fits YOUR political views.

    Maybe you just haven't figured it out yet, but ...

    HIS form of government and the way they do things in HIS country is how THEY do things. It ISN'T necessarily BETTER. And the same goes here in the US. There are pros and cons to each side of the arguement. By Obraik making HIS comment he is asserting that HIS country has a health system that is superior to that the US has. If this was so, then why are people from ALL over the world coming HERE to the US for medical treatment? Myself and OTHERS that responded to Obraik's comment, disagree.

    This is NOT a political forum. People need to keep politics OUT.

    There is a saying ...

    People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    If you need me to explain this to you, I will.

    In addition, since you seem to be defending Obraik's comment (highlighted in red above) and since you seem to agree with him ... why don't you move to Obraiks country if the US is so bad?

    Don't bother to flame you because you work for the US military? Please ... I spent 5 years active and an additional 7 years in the reserves serving OUR country and a war veteran myself. But unlike you, I don't try to use that as something that props me up on a pedastile above other people.

    Sago Mactow
    Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
    6/26/03 - 1/26/06
    Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
    DFR Councilman
    Tarq Server

  • DkillianDkillian Member Posts: 65
    i am agree i cancelled my account but i miss it a lot lol

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  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261

    Originally posted by Sago

    Originally posted by Torak

    Originally posted by Sago

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Ugh, how can anyone live in a country with a health care system such as in the USA?  It seems like you guys all get punished for getting sick :/
    I pay NZ$14 per month for medical insurance.  If I didn't have that and I needed hospital treatment, the governement will pay my medical fees, I just have to sit on a waiting list.  All prescreption medication is subsidised, so most cost less then NZ$40.  If you earn less then a certain amount, it's subsidised even further so you may only pay $5 lol
    Anyway, completely O/T :p

    Do NOT even begin to try to bash the USA. Canada has socialised medicine and they have been try to find a way out of it for years but it is too ingrained.

    I don't have to wait to have an operation and I can go to any doctor I want. I only pay about 35% in taxes ... what percentage do YOU pay?

    Our country is NOT perfect but you have NO right critisizing it.

    Sure he has a right....its called free speech...its what free societies are built on. Thats the problem with us U.S. Americans, we have something to say about everyone else but don't dare say anything bad about us!

    And yes, after being to a few other places in the world our healthcare system does leave alot to be desired. We are one of the few industrialized western nations that does not have some sort of health care for all of its citizans. (I also worked for an insurance company for 6 years so I know a bit about that also)

    And don't even bother to flame me...I work for the U.S. military overseas and I am a war veteran sir. I am up to my eyeballs in this current conflict our country so wisely engaged in. I have both friends and family deployed to assorted conflict regions throughout the world.

    Sorry to get up on my soapbox  You can't fight for freedom then tell people they have no right to use it.

    Back on topic...so how about them galaxies???

    You are the person that started the other thread where you and Malckibloo started critisizing people posting their discontent about SWG, $OE, and $LA. So in that instance we need to get over it, it's just a game, and all that crap, thus basically telling people that you don't enjoy reading their negative posts.

    Now here you are defending someone that is critsizing USA because it fits YOUR political views.

    Maybe you just haven't figured it out yet, but ...

    HIS form of government and the way they do things in HIS country is how THEY do things. It ISN'T necessarily BETTER. And the same goes here in the US. There are pros and cons to each side of the arguement. By Obraik making HIS comment he is asserting that HIS country has a health system that is superior to that the US has. If this was so, then why are people from ALL over the world coming HERE to the US for medical treatment? Myself and OTHERS that responded to Obraik's comment, disagree.

    This is NOT a political forum. People need to keep politics OUT.

    There is a saying ...

    People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    If you need me to explain this to you, I will.

    In addition, since you seem to be defending Obraik's comment (highlighted in red above) and since you seem to agree with him ... why don't you move to Obraiks country if the US is so bad?

    If you want to debate about it, feel free to send me a PM but as you said, these forums are not the place to discuss these issues (and yes, I broke this rule too :p).

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