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Why Eve Will Never Get Better:
Static_Wolf
Member Posts: 80
Now I know I will get bashed by the Fanboys but Ill say this anyhow, hopefully we can start a topic and discuss ideas instead of flaming each other.
Eve is a great game and a must try at least once type of MMO. But honestly, Eve is really nothing special (except of course it's nice stations, ships and vast feeling of space) for a few reasons:
1). Biggest flaw: No Player Interaction. How cool would it be to land on a planet, moon, station, etc and be able to walk about, even in a small zone, team up with friends and bring them aboard your ship, quarters, etc, but I guess that's years away. (Earth and Beyond actually had something like this, very minor details tho, was still a cool feature).
2). The "leveling up system": Ridiculous. If I were to enter Eve right now, I'd be and always would be a chump, a nobody basically, because there is no way of catching up to someone who has been playing since 2003 because of the way the system works. Each skill is leveled by activating it and waiting for time, hours, days, months even to gain the next level in a certain skill. It's fair to the old players but a mockery to the new players.
3). Content? Besides hunting down pirates (Same pirates over and over) for agents at waypoints they give you, weeeeeeee, buying stuff from stations and transporting them to other stations for a profit, mining, ganking-pvp'ing, there really isnt much else to do. Never seen a universe so vast with nothing much to do. The only reason there is still a lot of people paying for Eve is to keep their leveling going while they are logged out. Desperately needs more content, and hopefully no one babbles about doing stuff with guild etc...
4). Graphics are getting outdated, game is 3 years old, and its starting to really look it.
5). Ship Control, dont really feel much like your in control of your ship, Earth And Beyond did that quite well tho.
There are probably more negative aspects but I wont write them just now. Although the game is top class for certain stuff, it just doesnt quite cut it. And please mention to them that we really dont care every time they break another 1k barrier of subscribers or people logged on, WHO CARES!!!!!!! Crappy WoW has 5 million + , and so do others, you dont see that on their website as front page news, jeez get over it lol, nice to say it at 10k, 25k, 50k but not 10,11,12,13,14,15,,,,,,,,zzzzzzzzzzzz
Final Rating: 9.5 for the universe, feeling of vast space, stations and stargates, 3 for fun, and 7.5 overall.
Comments
1. I don't know if it's a flaw so much as more of a lack of resources and believe you are right that being able to have features like that are still years away.
2. I'm going to disagree with you on this. The key is to specialize and you should be able to mix it up with the best of the players in a few months. True, the players who have trained more skill points have more options to choose from, however there is a limit to how far they can go with any specialization.
3. I don't believe this game is meant for solo play, at least in the long run. 0.0 space is where all the main action is. Being a part of a corporation is highly recommended. I don't know if you can solo in 0.0 space very well because it is completely lawless. Others may be more knowledgable about that. If there is such a thing as an end game in Eve, that's where it is located.
4. Graphics upgrades are in the works including an upgrade to Windows Vista and Directx 10.0.
5. This game is not a FPS type game. More of the skill is involved with the setup and how to use it than reflex action. I can see where some people would think this is a negative aspect of the game. Personally, I'm ok with it.
One aspect of the game I'd like to see is being able to share missions with other players in a formed gang for missions. A button on the details screen to share the mission with others in your group would be a welcome addition IMO.
Have fun in game.
1 & 3. The game is built on PVP. If you woulda read some threads about it first you would know that the game has probably the worst PVE of any game out there but one of the best PVP.
2. The game is built for adults who only have a couple hours or even minutes a day to play and some small spots of large chunks of time here and there..... not for the 18yr w/ no job and nothing else but gaming 24/7 to be super uber in a week.
4. Graphics get updated every patch. There is a new patch coming out. Once again, reading is recommended before posting.
5. Again. Reading is recommended. The game is a space sim. Do you really think that in the future you will have to manuever that shit? Yeah, I'm sure that it would be implemented... but why do it if the ship can do it much faster than you can think. There are little algorithms in there that dodge.
X. How many servers does WoW have? 500? 600? K. How many servers does EVE have? 500? 600? No. 1, your'e reading the record for amount of players Online at a single time, not the player base. The player base is around 150k where SWG maxed out at 250k.
Here is where I mention that the EVE server is the only and first non-nuclear/military computer in history to make it in the top 500 super computers in the world.
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Why is it about every few weeks some other person comes in and says the same things about this game?
Although I don't have tons of hours played, I have had a character since OCT 2004 and will let the new and old alike know the key to EVE. The key to EVE is realizing that it is NOT a typical MMORPG clone (eg: EQ, WoW, CoH, etc). The reality is that EVE deserves it's own catagory. It is a massively multiplayer diplomacy and economic simulator. If you approach it like a typical hack and slash mmorpg you are going to be disappointed. Your goals for your character need to be bigger and broader, and much more "real."
Initially as players enter EVE, they believe that there needs to be some sort of linear progression for their character. Most new players see EVE's only measurable levels of progression in skill points and isk. Although you can place some value on those numbers, they are not a measure of your character's progression that most find appealing after some time. Just like life, you don't measure a person's worth by the amount of money they have or the years they have been doing certain jobs (skills). If you were going to measure your own "progression in life," you would probably have a long list of "things I want to do." It may be to have children, be successful at a certain job, to be good at a couple of skills, make enough money to support a certain lifestyle, etc. Invariably there will also be a list of places to visit, goals to reach, organizations to participate in, etc. The point is that you need to do the same with an EVE character and the great news is that if you work smart and hard and form some friendships, you can meet those goals long before the isk and skillpoints that you thought you needed.
In reality Static_Wolf, it sounds like you need a standard mmorpg, not the simulator that EVE provides. Previous posts pointed out that much of what you mentioned is in the works for the future.
EDIT: BTW, 0.0 is quite doable solo. The key there is having some friendships with the people out there and some knowledge of the section of space you are solo in. Most regions of 0.0 have very diverse diplomatic, economic, and stratigic battles going on on a daily basis. Until you understand what is happening in the area you are attempting to move into, you are going to be at a huge disadvantage. Once you get in on some security channels and gain some friends, you can survive quite well. The quickest way to reach that point is to join a corp that has a POS (player owned station) or an outpost somewhere in 0.0 where you can call home.
This is a team based pvp space sim, not a theme park. There are no NPC ewoks to polish your armor.
2) If you entered the game today you would be a chump because you think this is everquest in space. Unlike other games, a 1 week character can actually be useful to a fleet.
This is not a solo game.
3) NPC's are like asteroids, you harvest them, they are not "the game." As I said this is a clan based pvp sim. The "game" consists of creating an identity that you enjoy, and working towards being the best at what you do.
If you decide on a life of piracy, your "game" is to pirate other players. You might kill npc's for money, but the "content" is other players on whom you practice your trade (piracy.)
Likewise if another player decides to be a bounty-hunter, their "game" is to hunt you down.
4) The graphics are great, but the gameplay is 10x more important to me, I play it for the awesome gameplay and open-ended atmostphere.
5) The control is strategic. The best way to fight a battle is to zoom out from a top down view, so you can see the whole battle, and use your overview to lock/target and perform your role in the fleet. I know some people wish there were a joystick, but this is not that type of game.
Overall I give it a 9, because there is always room for improvement.
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1: There is player interaction but the vastness of space makes it difficult for people used to a traditional MMO. Use the many chat channels, in EVE the chat channels are how you talk to players and interact and organise it. In more traditional MMOs you walk about looking for speech bubbles where at spots people traditionaly recruit groups, it doesn't work that way in EVE. Also making a large network of friends (takes time) makes groups and interacting easier than other MMOs in my opinion.
2: The skill system is one of the main selling points for me. Fair system for all, you can waste the oldest veteran after 6 months of specailised training and some common sense and cunning. Also just because a char is 3 years old doesn't mean they were training 100% of that time, nor does it mean that 100% of that time was spent training combat skills. I've been playing since March 2005 and I'd say my char is in the top 30% (amount of SP, 15mil+) perhaps higher. Why you say? Because people quit, because people rarely train 100% of the time (they take breaks for months), implants speed up learning. Also there is a set amount of combat skills and combat related skills, so somone with 30mil+ doesn't have it all in combat by a long shot. Also they might just be a trader or miner, and I don't see that many chars older than me.
3: EVE is a sandbox much content is player created, or player involved but assisted by the DEVs. Being part of a warring alliance helps if you like being in groups with massive fleet battles attacking enemy outposts and claiming space. And these actions often change the EVE storyline and players have articles written on them on the site and in the EON magazine, and interviews. Not enough content for you?
4: I disagree, it all looks good to me, and the graphics will get a little update when the Kali expansion comes.
5: I agree it's not a spaceflight simulation as in true to life physics, but I don't want that myself and find the current system to be what I want. It's down to personal taste I suppose.
Well as a rabid fanbois I'm always interested in subscriber numbers, but they really only make regular and big announcments concerning the online record for largest persistent world on one unsharded server. Although that aspect has nothing to do with the quality of the game.
I'd be interested on your opinion of CCP as a company, as they've been the best company I've ever sent my money to so far (and the only deserving!). But many people subscribe to EVE because of the points you didn't like, I think you're wrong in dismissing those points that aren't to your taste as flaws. Instead of flaws they're just points you (and many, many others) dislike about EVE and reasons you don't subscribe to it, but to people like me they're strengths of EVE and the reason I (and a few others) have subscribed to EVE for a long time and will for just as long!
EVE FANBOIS ALERT OVER, FANCON1
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
About half a year ago I cancelled my subscribtion for that exact reason - to little to do and I felt that all I did was waiting around at stations or safespots. However, what brought me back to the game was all the player created politics. I'm in the BoB alliance so I get lots of PvP, and the community is very nice. Whenever I log on, there is something going on. If you're just playing the game for solo mining or running missions, you're bound to get tired of the game. In my point of view the whole game is about players playing together, not flying around alone.
I will however agree that the game still has a lot of potential to get even bigger, better and more complex, it's just a matter of waiting for the DEVs to get their asses into gear
Whoa, never knew Eve had such a fanboy quick reply crew.
Do you people actually think everyone shares your views? It's obvious someone wont spend time replying by saying that I'm right.
So Eve is basically for people who are into PvP (definately not the grown up mature type here) and people who actually find it fun to fly around for hours doing nothing but just veggieng in front of a screen pretending to be having a blast. I'm just really disappointed that Eve is the best Sci-Fi Universal type of mmo out there today, that is until Stargate or Star Trek (Even though its ST, there's got to be more to do, and grapchis will be so much more updated) come out.
I'm not bashing this game, for I did play it since beta release and afterwards, I just kept regretting loging back each time lol, especially since this game could have been done much better. Guess it was just meant to attract similar minded people like the posters above.........
Like I said earlier, really a boring game, especially the PvE part, wait sorry, like the previous poster said, there is no PVE in Eve, just PvP weeeeeee!
Ya'll have fun wasting your time flying around mindlessly in there, and let the fanboy flaming continue
EvE Overall Rating 7.5
Oh boo hoo I don't like your game, you meanies, you should be cool like me and play XXX_Online.
Whatever floats your boat pal.
play XXX_Online
I dont play xxx or bbb online, just games with some content.
You are just trolling.
EVE has more "content" than any other game out there. Playing the free trial doesn't even give you a feel of how warm the water is, much less a dump off the high dive.
If EVE PVP was childish and the game was for the stupid. It makes one wonder why most of the big CEOs are real life Military Officers in some country or another and why it has the reputation of having the best player base of any game out. 99.999% of the time you will only see the type of mentalitiy you see in WoW or any other game in the "Newbie Help" channel.
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Okay, my last post, really not trolling, dont even know what that means, just pointing out the facts about Eve, and please do not say Eve has more content than othher mmo's// really.
Really not into PvP only style type of mmo's, if I were under 25 maybe...
Hehe nice Sig,
EVE is what you make of it.
If you think it's gonna suck, it's gonna suck.
If you think EVE is gonna be fun, it's not.
Sorry we didn't all agree with you,
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Last time I checked, the 'content' in other games involves static worlds and enemy mobs that are pretty much clones of each other with different 'skills' that only do different damages. Granted, EVE is like this too but saying EVE has no content is the same as saying other MMORPGs don't have content either because they have the SAME content.
And what is it with people always trying to 'catch up' to those higher up than them? There will ALWAYS be someone better than you, why not just play the damn game instead of trying to inflate your ego?
For lack of anything else out there that interests me, I’d probably go back to Eve if it weren’t for your second reason. Your third reason might keep my finger close to the escape pod launch button (and I’m referring to the game in general not the ganking specifically). I wish I could love the game as much as many of you all seem to. STO and Infinity seem a long way off.
Nice post, and thanks for mentioning EnB not once, but twice. I miss the old girl.
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It really DOESNT matter how many total SPs you have. That's not the way EVE works. 2-3 5m SP characters can take down a 20m SP character if they know what they are doing. It isn't like other MMOs where 2-3 level 10s could never, ever, ever take down a level 30. The reasons for that are: (1) player skill matters (loadouts, tactics, tactical awareness), (2) on any given ship you are not using all of your SPs, so the guy with 40m SPs isn't using all 40m of them against you and (3) EVE doesn't feature "dueling" very much, it's gang warfare, so there is strength in numbers.
It's completely untrue that you will always be a "chump" because you will never catch up in total SPs. The game doesn't work that way. The fact that this is a block for many people has to do with the deeply-seated mentalities carried over from games like WoW and EQ where level is everything. In that situation, where level rules, of course you couldn't have a skill progression system like EVE's ... you would be a perpetual chump. But EVE's combat doesn't work that way. It's hard to shake the mentality that other MMOs have burned into people's heads about the importance of relative level, but all I can say is that it's far less important in EVE's PvP scheme than it is in virtually any other MMO's PvP.
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Nice find Kehn, Cant believe I never noticed the Sci-Fi Space Mmo Infinity, looks awesome.
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Planet landing: you are not restricted as to where you can land. Explore every square centimeter of your home planet! On planets you can see the flora and fauna, find oceans, hills, mountains, cities, and a lot of other details.
Static_Wolf,
I share your views, I stopped arguing about Eve on this forum because I know it has the best fanboy team I have ever seen
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Eve is not matching what I'm looking for as an Elite-like MMO. I'm more a PvE guy, I like grouping for questing and it's obvious that PvE sucks in Eve. Despite Eve has one of the best market system among all the MMOs, industry is still sucking. The universe is dead, except from idle patrols at the gates and from time to time some convoys exiting or entering a station, it's all depressingly dead.
If you are a hardcore gamer, run to 0.0 and enjoy the neverending battles and high reward complexes, if you're a casual gamer, just choose another game.
To sum up : tasteless questing/PvE system, poor crafting system and a miserable content. That put aside, it rocks for PvP and for people who enjoy travelling while watching their TV.
What is quite boring is that you always read the same "only mature people with a >160 IQ can play EVE" rant when you start a debate about the game. I'm playing it for 2 years and I have met my share of complete morons in the game. So obviously, it is not a game reserved for genius.
I would say that Eve is a game for geeks who like to grab a calculator and play with dozens of spreadsheets, calculating margins, return of investment or damage multiplier, accuracy fallout and take a revenge by powning people for all the wedgies they have been given at highschool.
Being serious, if I'm still playing Eve that's above all because since the end of E&B there are no other challenger. Maybe STO ? Who knows ....
PS : Forget about infinity, from what I have read there is only one coder for this game. I'm sure the guy is willing to do that project but I think it will remain a vaporware.
Many times I have seen this argument brung up, and always we have the team come and gang rape the guy that started it(yeah I'm using vulger langauge, sue me, it's 11pm and I don't care) Anither thing is that half the time they say they have played the game for a year, or since beta but cancelled cause they gave up. Why did you still play up until your recent decision to ditch the game? Others with the 14 day trial under their belts complain that they can't catch up. Get over it, SP has nothing on RL skill. Yes "click here, activate that, orbit this far", but look you already did 2 more things then what you would in virtually any other MMO combat situation. Well except maybe when you have to pot spam every now and again, or use 'magic' *Sigh*
I lost myself, what was my point, oh thats right. Get over it fella's, yes there are female gamers, but I don't see them bitching about how they don't like a game for X and Y reasons, just the pissy 18 or 26 or 35 year old MALE that has nothing better to do since they dropped the sub.
Heres the gist on EVE.
-Space MMO
-time based skill, learning speed can be increased, but this is designed for the long haul
-5 weeks in and your useful to any fleet, you can help take down 2 year players easy
-PVP, pve is designed for, go here kill this group of bandits, get bounty, go there again. They didn't even have pve missions when it was first released
-Market is player run, everything can be produced by players, and all blueprints are monitored.
-Macroers as always, but in this one you CAN kill them
-Slow moving, can take ages to get places, but they are usually one way trips, unless your dumb enough to be doing courier missions
-mining is a high profit business, but only if your willing for risks
-Every fight could be your last, every ship looks the same no matter how long or how many SP you have. So that cruiser could be fitted for a 1.2k orbit and stuck full of heavy launchers going every 5 seconds, stead of the 'nubbin' that'll try and run
Don't bag a game before looking at what it was designed for.
Oh and with the "pvp is for the idiotic immature kids', What in god's name are you talking about? PvP is the most fun and the best competition any game can throw. You DON'T know what all the other guys tricks are, and you yourself can't be sure of all of your own. Against any pve, they will do the same thing every time. I'll go for the challange thankyou. You keep 'saving the wench from the giant'.
Bored, tired, oh look I'm an 18year old flamer!
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Really? That's awesome!
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Oh, and they do have a Dev team "scheming" on planetary interactions. I believe the quote was "We do want to add planetary interaction, but there is still so much that we can do with the Universe that we already have." I believe that quote came off of this website from a Dev interview... to add to my quotie's references to "more reading."
They plan on upgrading the graphics -big time- in the future. CCP has DX10 dreams.
Content is constantly being added, and storylines are always being told. They never charge extra for either, and there is always something pretty sweet/fantabuloso being added to the game at each expansion.
This game just wasn't your cup of tea, obviously.
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis