Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by honzolo
<<Saying I hate christians is unfair. And you say you're not paranoid? Wouldn't it take a degree of paranoia to come up with the accusation you just made about me?
For the record I don't hate christians. >> I can accept that, but you do seem inordinately obsessed with christians and your dislike for them. Explain, please. I have never said nor implied that I hate christians. I don't like what they do to people. Putting folks on a guilt trip to get them to believe doesn't seem like much of a positive message to me. I wish they would get over their neurosis. Sorry if that sounds offensive, but that's the way I see it. As a mental disorder.
Why would anyone follow a religion that preaches guilt into submission? I actually know the answer to that. It's because it's the religion you were born into. I've felt that pressure to. Until I took a really good religious studies class and learned that other religions give you the freedom of mind to express yourself as a unique individual. Then I felt that weight of the world off my shoulders.
<< just wish they'd leave me alone instead of trying to push their agenda on me. I have my own set of values. And a large amount of those don't jive up with the Bible. If christians want to live their lives by those standards, fine. But what I don't like is them saying I should live that way too and trying to pass legislation to force me to. >> I would say that the vast majority of christians have a live and let live view of things. They aren't trying to control other people. In any group there is a small fraction that take things to the extreme. I think its unfait to paint them all with such a broad brush. It has been my experience in life that christians do not have a live and let live policy. I can go all the way back to high school and being shunned because I didn't want to join the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. I was about pushed off my team. Or when my sister wanted to marry my brother-in-law who is a catholic. Let's just say, he's not catholic anymore.
And christians now have the nerve to talk about how they're under attack? I don't hate christians. I just wish they'd accept the fact that they don't have all the answers that I need in life. And a lot of the stuff they tell me is the answer seems like a square peg in a round hole to me. They are trying to shove old timey beliefs onto modern problems. And it just ain't working anymore. We'd do all of ourselves a favor to revisit our religious beliefs and modernize them. Times have changed. And they aren't showing any signs of slowing down. And the christians answer to that is that God is going to destroy the world???? I have a teensie little problem with that.
<< love to drink. I love to dance. I support gay rights. I think couples should live together before getting married. I think premarital sex is fine if a couple is careful and in love. I've got no problem with people using birth control. And I watch pornography. I don't have any intentions of changing any of that because of the Bible or some preacher telling me I'm going to hell. I am quite okay with myself. >> Last time I checked you were allowed to do all of those things in this country. <<Oh, and go back and read my update. It's not just a movie boycott anymore. They're trying to get the courts involved. That's why I wrote what I did. >> One man says they should pursue legal action. you can find a guy anywhere to say anything. Doesn't mean he speaks for everyone. Besides, you can sue anyone for anything in a court of law... just doesn't mean you'll win. If this guy wants to, he has the FREEDOM to pursue legal action, as he considers the premise of the movie slanderous. And we have the right to consider him an idiot. H.
Guys, please realize that Reavo and I both live in this little thing we like to call the "Bible Belt". here, people do try to push their beliefs on you, and they will flat out tell you that your going to hell if your an atheist. It even happened to me today at school .
I know that it is different near the coasts(doesnt matter which, they are both more tolerent of religous beliefs), because i lived in NY for 13 years, and i have friends from cali. but here in Texas, if you are a catholic, and you just dont go to church very often, people label you a heathen, simple as that. All im sayin, is take heed to where people live, and the different cultures in this country.
Originally posted by Razorback Protesting an entertainment movie, based on a fictional book (otherwise known as a novel) because it challenges their understanding of a disputed historical book that may or may not be a novel itself. I love it..... truth is so much stranger than fiction No pun intended
exactly what i was thinking....and someone on here said that athiests were single minded, yeah thats idiotic. An athiest beleives in no God and an agnostic person is open to beleiving or not beleiving in a religion...but both follow no religion...athiets aren't as willing to accept something that is not there or they don't beleive exists that's more open minded than following a religion( no offense, thats my opinion). It just depends what you want to put faith into, a God that might not exist or you that does exist....
my $0.02
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
Explain, please. I have never said nor implied that I hate christians. I don't like what they do to people. Putting folks on a guilt trip to get them to believe doesn't seem like much of a positive message to me. I wish they would get over their neurosis. Sorry if that sounds offensive, but that's the way I see it. As a mental disorder.
Yah...It sounded offensive, because you meant it as such; but lets not dottle on such foolish things, for we could go on and on about who thinks what is a disorder, but it really comes to nought; the fact of the matter is, is that you hate rules that you don't want to live by(as shown in previous posts, as well as following the latter text in this one), thus as such, it is easy to help yourself live with these rules you hate by deeming such people that make you feel guilty about these discrepancies in your life, as people afflicted with mental disorders.
One can only be on a guilt trip, if there is something to be guilty about; someone could try to guilt trip me because I never go to Church, "Yea heathen!" They could spew out; but I would not be as so hostile to say they are mentally perturbed, for I feel no guilt, or shame, or hostility towards them for saying such things, because I know I have comitted no sin.
Why would anyone follow a religion that preaches guilt into submission? I actually know the answer to that. It's because it's the religion you were born into. I've felt that pressure to. Until I took a really good religious studies class and learned that other religions give you the freedom of mind to express yourself as a unique individual. Then I felt that weight of the world off my shoulders.
So you did feel guilty?
The main basis of religion is respect of one thing, and preservation of two; Respect of God, and preservation of yourself, and society(laymens: Keeping the integrity of yourself and your fellow man); the latter actually having quite an emphasis on the former, for keeping the integrity of yourself will actually show respect towards God.
Some always spew, "Oh, you're just trying to make me feel guilty! Shame on you! Blah blah blah..." Which that may indeed be the point of some; but it makes the message no less potent, which is probably why some feel such...anger towards the fire & brimstone preachers. Although I will say this, fire & brimstone is great for a warning, but it can only work as a warning, and from that warning, it relies solely on the recieving individual to take the next steps into the fold.
It has been my experience in life that christians do not have a live and let live policy. I can go all the way back to high school and being shunned because I didn't want to join the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. I was about pushed off my team. Or when my sister wanted to marry my brother-in-law who is a catholic. Let's just say, he's not catholic anymore.
And christians now have the nerve to talk about how they're under attack? I don't hate christians. I just wish they'd accept the fact that they don't have all the answers that I need in life. And a lot of the stuff they tell me is the answer seems like a square peg in a round hole to me. They are trying to shove old timey beliefs onto modern problems. And it just ain't working anymore.
We'd do all of ourselves a favor to revisit our religious beliefs and modernize them. Times have changed. And they aren't showing any signs of slowing down. And the christians answer to that is that God is going to destroy the world???? I have a teensie little problem with that.
Modernize them? Oh sweet baby Jesus, did I really just hear you say that? Yah, brilliant idea, our personal morals are already relativistic, let's go ahead and make our whole belief system and religion relativistic; hell, laws too. There is no such thing as "right or wrong", no "good or evil", no "black or white"; just shades of grey.
What you're actually saying is, "let's immoralize them".
Originally posted by cornoffcob
exactly what i was thinking....and someone on here said that athiests were single minded, yeah thats idiotic. An athiest beleives in no God and an agnostic person is open to beleiving or not beleiving in a religion...but both follow no religion...athiets aren't as willing to accept something that is not there or they don't beleive exists that's more open minded than following a religion( no offense, thats my opinion).
You fail at rudimentary logic: A person that is willing to ponder the idea that there is something more than our empirical senses let on, embodies what is "open-minded". Someone who relies solely on their empirical sensories embodies "close-minded".
It just depends what you want to put faith into, a God that might not exist or you that does exist....
Prove you exist.
my $0.02
Originally posted by cornoffcob
exactly what i was thinking....and someone on here said that athiests were single minded, yeah thats idiotic. An athiest beleives in no God and an agnostic person is open to beleiving or not beleiving in a religion...but both follow no religion...athiets aren't as willing to accept something that is not there or they don't beleive exists that's more open minded than following a religion( no offense, thats my opinion).
You fail at rudimentary logic: A person that is willing to ponder the idea that there is something more than our empirical senses let on, embodies what is "open-minded". Someone who relies solely on their empirical sensories embodies "close-minded".
It just depends what you want to put faith into, a God that might not exist or you that does exist....
Prove you exist.
my $0.02
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
<<Explain, please. I have never said nor implied that I hate christians. I don't like what they do to people. Putting folks on a guilt trip to get them to believe doesn't seem like much of a positive message to me. I wish they would get over their neurosis. Sorry if that sounds offensive, but that's the way I see it. As a mental disorder.
Why would anyone follow a religion that preaches guilt into submission? I actually know the answer to that. It's because it's the religion you were born into. I've felt that pressure to. Until I took a really good religious studies class and learned that other religions give you the freedom of mind to express yourself as a unique individual. Then I felt that weight of the world off my shoulders. >>
LOL, I saidd I accepted that you didn't hate christians, but the more you talk, the less I believe you. How would you speak of them any differently if you did hate them? But oh well... your problem, not mine.
<<It has been my experience in life that christians do not have a live and let live policy. I can go all the way back to high school and being shunned because I didn't want to join the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. I was about pushed off my team. Or when my sister wanted to marry my brother-in-law who is a catholic. Let's just say, he's not catholic anymore.
And christians now have the nerve to talk about how they're under attack? I don't hate christians. I just wish they'd accept the fact that they don't have all the answers that I need in life. And a lot of the stuff they tell me is the answer seems like a square peg in a round hole to me. They are trying to shove old timey beliefs onto modern problems. And it just ain't working anymore.
We'd do all of ourselves a favor to revisit our religious beliefs and modernize them. Times have changed. And they aren't showing any signs of slowing down. And the christians answer to that is that God is going to destroy the world???? I have a teensie little problem with that. >>
Still painting with such a broad brush... oh well. I'm sorry you feel the way you do and have gone through such 'traumatic' experiences. But back to the original point. The boycott doesn't affect me, and it shouldn't affect you. It's silly. I'm not going to allow something so insignificant to affect my life.
<<Guys, please realize that Reavo and I both live in this little thing we like to call the "Bible Belt". here, people do try to push their beliefs on you, and they will flat out tell you that your going to hell if your an atheist. It even happened to me today at school .
I know that it is different near the coasts(doesnt matter which, they are both more tolerent of religous beliefs), because i lived in NY for 13 years, and i have friends from cali. but here in Texas, if you are a catholic, and you just dont go to church very often, people label you a heathen, simple as that. All im sayin, is take heed to where people live, and the different cultures in this country. >>
I happen to live in the 'bibe belt' as well. I am sorry that you have had experiences with people that have affected you negatively. There will always be pushy people. From atheist fanatics to religious fanatics. Most people are not like that. I live my life with that view, and I don't grant fanatcs power to affect me negatively.
Comments
Guys, please realize that Reavo and I both live in this little thing we like to call the "Bible Belt". here, people do try to push their beliefs on you, and they will flat out tell you that your going to hell if your an atheist. It even happened to me today at school
I know that it is different near the coasts(doesnt matter which, they are both more tolerent of religous beliefs), because i lived in NY for 13 years, and i have friends from cali. but here in Texas, if you are a catholic, and you just dont go to church very often, people label you a heathen, simple as that.
All im sayin, is take heed to where people live, and the different cultures in this country.
Originally posted by Razorback
Protesting an entertainment movie, based on a fictional book (otherwise known as a novel) because it challenges their understanding of a disputed historical book that may or may not be a novel itself.
I love it..... truth is so much stranger than fiction
No pun intended
exactly what i was thinking....and someone on here said that athiests were single minded, yeah thats idiotic.
An athiest beleives in no God and an agnostic person is open to beleiving or not beleiving in a religion...but both follow no religion...athiets aren't as willing to accept something that is not there or they don't beleive exists that's more open minded than following a religion( no offense, thats my opinion). It just depends what you want to put faith into, a God that might not exist or you that does exist....
my $0.02
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Why would anyone follow a religion that preaches guilt into submission? I actually know the answer to that. It's because it's the religion you were born into. I've felt that pressure to. Until I took a really good religious studies class and learned that other religions give you the freedom of mind to express yourself as a unique individual. Then I felt that weight of the world off my shoulders.
>>
LOL, I saidd I accepted that you didn't hate christians, but the more you talk, the less I believe you. How would you speak of them any differently if you did hate them? But oh well... your problem, not mine.
<<It has been my experience in life that christians do not have a live and let live policy. I can go all the way back to high school and being shunned because I didn't want to join the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. I was about pushed off my team. Or when my sister wanted to marry my brother-in-law who is a catholic. Let's just say, he's not catholic anymore.
And christians now have the nerve to talk about how they're under attack? I don't hate christians. I just wish they'd accept the fact that they don't have all the answers that I need in life. And a lot of the stuff they tell me is the answer seems like a square peg in a round hole to me. They are trying to shove old timey beliefs onto modern problems. And it just ain't working anymore.
We'd do all of ourselves a favor to revisit our religious beliefs and modernize them. Times have changed. And they aren't showing any signs of slowing down. And the christians answer to that is that God is going to destroy the world???? I have a teensie little problem with that.
>>
Still painting with such a broad brush... oh well. I'm sorry you feel the way you do and have gone through such 'traumatic' experiences. But back to the original point. The boycott doesn't affect me, and it shouldn't affect you. It's silly. I'm not going to allow something so insignificant to affect my life.
H.
<<Guys, please realize that Reavo and I both live in this little thing we like to call the "Bible Belt". here, people do try to push their beliefs on you, and they will flat out tell you that your going to hell if your an atheist. It even happened to me today at school
.
I know that it is different near the coasts(doesnt matter which, they are both more tolerent of religous beliefs), because i lived in NY for 13 years, and i have friends from cali. but here in Texas, if you are a catholic, and you just dont go to church very often, people label you a heathen, simple as that.
All im sayin, is take heed to where people live, and the different cultures in this country.
>>
I happen to live in the 'bibe belt' as well. I am sorry that you have had experiences with people that have affected you negatively. There will always be pushy people. From atheist fanatics to religious fanatics. Most people are not like that. I live my life with that view, and I don't grant fanatcs power to affect me negatively.
H.